Hmm 2nd degree murder can be as a result of negligent or reckless behaviour, even if there's no intent to kill. Ok with that in mind, I can see how he's guilty of that too.
04-21-2021 05:23 AM
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Hmm 2nd degree murder can be as a result of negligent or reckless behaviour, even if there's no intent to kill. Ok with that in mind, I can see how he's guilty of that too. | |
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04-21-2021 10:48 AM
#8777
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I didn't follow the trial. Trials are boring. I'm not familiar with the arguments made by either side. | |
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04-21-2021 12:21 PM
#8778
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The defense was embarrassing. Chauvin pleaded the 5th. The expert witness they dragged out was a white South African who sounded like they just had him change out of his Boer uniform seconds before taking the stand, and who was previously an expert witness in a strikingly similar case. | |
Last edited by oskar; 04-22-2021 at 11:25 AM.
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04-21-2021 12:23 PM
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04-21-2021 12:38 PM
#8780
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I did not expect guilty on all charges. iirc after the tapes came out officials were on the fence whether any charges were going to be brought against Chauvin, forget about murder charges. I don't think if at that point American patriots had failed to react appropriately by setting the country on fire, I don't think it would have ever ended the way it did. | |
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04-21-2021 01:54 PM
#8781
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04-22-2021 03:51 AM
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04-22-2021 03:22 PM
#8783
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It was the first time in Minnesota that it happened. | |
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04-22-2021 05:48 PM
#8784
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The US legal system is clearly broken. | |
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04-22-2021 10:30 PM
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I agree with the sentiment. Though I do think it's absurd (at least after the body cam video came out) for people to be treating Ma'khia Bryant's killing as equivalent to George Floyds. It for sure was an absolute tragedy. Part of the tragedy being that she was in fact the one who called police for help because she was allegedly being attacked by the other girls. On a systemic level, this is troubling and a sign that things need to change-- but that cop made a tough call in the moment, and I just don't see how anyone can understand what the word murder means and think that applies here. | |
04-23-2021 11:07 AM
#8786
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I didn't use the word murder. | |
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04-23-2021 12:11 PM
#8787
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The "I thought it was my taser" defense strikes me as about equivalent to running someone over in your car then saying "I meant to put my foot on the brake instead of the gas." That's a pretty gigantic brain fart there. Not sure that would really be allowed to cut it as an excuse, either; pretty sure you'd be facing charges if that happened. | |
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04-23-2021 12:17 PM
#8788
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It certainly helped that the defense faceplanted at every junction. | |
Last edited by oskar; 04-23-2021 at 12:19 PM.
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04-23-2021 12:18 PM
#8789
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04-23-2021 12:25 PM
#8790
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04-23-2021 04:54 PM
#8791
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Yeah, I was just kinda using your post as a starting point-- I should have clarified that more. | |
04-23-2021 05:00 PM
#8792
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Well, this is why we have all different degrees of murder and manslaughter. It would appear that Kim Potter, the cop who shot Dante Wright, really did have a tragically consequential brain fart. When you think of the number of cops out there with a gun and a tazer, the number of interactions with the public these cops have, if we put our probability intuition caps on, it's not shocking that these errors would show up. | |
04-23-2021 06:08 PM
#8793
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Yup, I don't doubt it was inevitable any more than it's inevitable that if enough people drive cars that have a brake and gas pedal next to each other, some of them are going to press the wrong one at the wrong time. | |
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04-24-2021 11:56 AM
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Before I get into this, I should probably mention that I'm generally on the anti-cop side of the fence. I grew up in a very redneck environment out in the middle of nowhere in the Southeastern US, and probably 1/2-2/3 of the guys I grew up with and male members of my family had gotten into a fight with a cop at some point. That "thin blue line" shit doesn't really fly with me. | |
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04-24-2021 12:14 PM
#8795
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lol, that was my first thought too. What a stupid thing to say. | |
Last edited by Poopadoop; 04-24-2021 at 12:16 PM.
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04-24-2021 12:24 PM
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I haven't heard any sensible person call for a removal of police. "Defund the police" is a bad catch phrase in that it leads people to assume "defund" is the same as "abolish." It's not (at least, not to any sensible person). The call is to redirect some funding from the police to create a new public service that addresses mental health issues - something police have been begging for for decades. | |
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04-24-2021 12:35 PM
#8797
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The New York Times: Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police | |
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04-24-2021 02:48 PM
#8798
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Op-ed piece. The literal opposite of editorial. | |
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04-24-2021 03:06 PM
#8799
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Do you not think, on the balance, the police prevent far more crime than they cause? What is the idea behind abolishing them? | |
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04-24-2021 05:21 PM
#8800
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no | |
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04-24-2021 08:28 PM
#8801
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04-24-2021 08:46 PM
#8802
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I think oscar made some good points, there. | |
Last edited by MadMojoMonkey; 04-24-2021 at 08:48 PM.
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04-24-2021 09:36 PM
#8803
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lol... | |
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04-25-2021 01:17 AM
#8804
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lol at what? | |
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04-25-2021 05:28 AM
#8805
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04-25-2021 09:23 AM
#8806
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04-25-2021 11:43 AM
#8807
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04-25-2021 01:07 PM
#8808
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If that were so, you'd think crime statistics would support that, but they don't. Time and time again an increase in policing does not lead to a reduction in crime and a reduction in policing does not lead to an increase in crime | |
Last edited by oskar; 04-25-2021 at 01:11 PM.
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04-25-2021 01:44 PM
#8809
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How often as you go about your daily life do you run into a cop? | |
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04-25-2021 01:48 PM
#8810
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Basically, people are going to do drugs whether they're legal or not. It's not like a country legalizes a drug and suddenly it's full of addicts. | |
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04-25-2021 02:14 PM
#8811
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04-25-2021 02:38 PM
#8812
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There have been many studies that show increasing policing has no effect on overall crime rates. Others show increasing punishments for crimes has no statistically significant effect on the rate of those crimes being committed. | |
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04-25-2021 02:46 PM
#8813
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04-25-2021 02:48 PM
#8814
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04-25-2021 03:02 PM
#8815
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04-25-2021 05:20 PM
#8816
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The last part is correct. Harsher sentencing doesn't reduce crime, criminals gonna criminal. Most of them don't do it for fun, it's what they see as their best or only option. Severe punishments create more violent crimes, because the criminals risk losing more if they get caught. It makes sense to do less but bigger heists, and using violence or the threat of it has a lower threshold, because you're possibly risking life in prison or a poison needle. Harsher sentencing creates more dedicated and dangerous criminals, who are willing to go further to not get caught. | |
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04-25-2021 06:18 PM
#8817
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I see a lot of people never learned about elastic vs inelastic ranges here. | |
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04-25-2021 06:19 PM
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04-25-2021 06:26 PM
#8819
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No, I'm not. I'm not talking about irrational nonsense that will never happen. I am saying that the assumption that people need police to have law and order is factually not born out by any view of the history of jurisprudence. | |
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04-25-2021 06:30 PM
#8820
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04-25-2021 07:04 PM
#8821
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Either way they're doing fuck all until someone calls them, or they happen ass-backwards onto a crime taking place (which practically never happens). | |
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04-25-2021 07:44 PM
#8822
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04-25-2021 07:53 PM
#8823
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04-25-2021 10:59 PM
#8824
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04-26-2021 08:33 AM
#8825
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04-26-2021 09:19 AM
#8826
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Or because they tend to face a lot of harrassment from the police. | |
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04-26-2021 09:21 AM
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04-26-2021 09:54 AM
#8828
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04-26-2021 10:22 AM
#8829
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Though I do agree, I want to point out the irony of calling a figurative nuclear option stupid while thinking private citizens should be allowed to own actual nukes. | |
Last edited by oskar; 04-26-2021 at 10:50 AM.
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04-26-2021 10:28 AM
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I'm not talking about people getting pulled over for running a red light. I'm talking about DWB and the like. | |
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04-26-2021 10:33 AM
#8831
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It's the cops who are out driving around bored looking for an excuse to accost someone who are causing a lot of the problems imo. | |
Last edited by Poopadoop; 04-26-2021 at 10:37 AM.
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04-26-2021 11:02 AM
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04-26-2021 11:15 AM
#8833
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You don't think it because it hasn't happened to you. In your mind, black people are what, just making these stories up? | |
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04-26-2021 11:27 AM
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04-26-2021 12:01 PM
#8835
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The Rayshard Brooks case is a clear example. | |
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04-26-2021 12:47 PM
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04-26-2021 01:45 PM
#8837
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04-26-2021 02:44 PM
#8838
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Nazis are the extreme example of following orders. I'm not sure how responsible an individual can be for his actions when under the command of a brutal dictatorship. It's difficult to take a moral position on this either way. I'm not a big fan of dragging 100-year old men from their care homes to see out their last days in court. That isn't justice, it's an inhumane waste of time and money. This should have happened a long time ago if it's something that has to happen. | |
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04-26-2021 03:05 PM
#8839
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Difference is cops take on their job voluntarily I suppose. No-one is forcing them to be complicit in the system. | |
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04-26-2021 03:10 PM
#8840
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It depends. If they were just drafted along into it then yeah leave them alone. That could happen to anyone. But if they volunteered for it, or they were sadistic bastards, then fuck 'em I don't have a problem with dragging them into court no matter how long ago it was. | |
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04-26-2021 03:14 PM
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I'm not talking about punishment. I'm talking about taking a clear-eyed stock of what we have and how we got here. I'm talking about understanding the perspectives on all sides and listening to responsible adults describe their problems with the current system. | |
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04-27-2021 08:32 AM
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04-27-2021 12:35 PM
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I'm guessing the answer to your first question is the separation of powers. | |
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04-27-2021 06:00 PM
#8844
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I'm not gonna lie I'm at the point where I see a wall and I'm like "whew". I know my posts are walls too, it's become quite intense. | |
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04-27-2021 06:01 PM
#8845
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Still a wall. | |
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04-27-2021 09:36 PM
#8846
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I got tired of the walls of text, but this has to be the quote of the last few pages. IF YOU TRAIN THE COPS, THEY'LL BE TRAINING, AND IF THEY'RE TRAINING THEY CAN'T BE COPPING!! | |
04-28-2021 02:07 AM
#8847
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04-28-2021 06:17 AM
#8848
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04-28-2021 06:35 PM
#8849
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Re. walls of text | |
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04-29-2021 11:45 AM
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