01-07-2021 06:40 AM
#8026
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01-07-2021 06:45 AM
#8027
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Last edited by Poopadoop; 01-07-2021 at 06:47 AM.
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01-07-2021 07:00 AM
#8028
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This would have to have conditions attached to it, like he'd have to concede that he lost fair and square. It's pretty obvious he never will. | |
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01-07-2021 07:10 AM
#8029
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I agree. Trump isn't going anywhere. I do think he will lose base over this, but he will still have massive influence over a substantial part of the american population. It will likely tear the republican party apart. | |
Last edited by oskar; 01-07-2021 at 07:12 AM.
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01-07-2021 07:20 AM
#8030
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01-07-2021 07:31 AM
#8031
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01-07-2021 07:39 AM
#8032
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01-07-2021 07:41 AM
#8033
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01-07-2021 07:42 AM
#8034
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01-07-2021 07:45 AM
#8035
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When people storm a building, you generally don't assume it's with peaceful intentions. They could peacefully protest outside without posing a threat to anyone or their property. Instead they went inside and (gasp) looted the Capital building. So why don't you want them shot too? | |
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01-07-2021 07:46 AM
#8036
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01-07-2021 07:52 AM
#8037
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01-07-2021 07:54 AM
#8038
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I would ask if these people really though the result was fraudulent, or if they were just trying to overthrow a result they didn't like. | |
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01-07-2021 08:00 AM
#8039
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People are protesting inside the halls of congress all the time. That alone is not a problem. Having a rally where the incumbent president says: this election was stolen from us... you can't let this happen... If Pence doesn't stop this, it is on you... and then to have his mob forcefully break into the halls of congress to stop the certification of the election in which the incumbent lost... that is a coup! That is the textbook definition of a coup. They are completely unorganized and they are following the incoherent directions of a lunatic, so they predictably failed, but it was a coup attempt. | |
Last edited by oskar; 01-07-2021 at 08:04 AM.
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01-07-2021 08:02 AM
#8040
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So if you thought they really believed it, you'd be ok with them storming Parliament and forcing all the MPs to run to the basement for their own safety? | |
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01-07-2021 08:12 AM
#8041
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01-07-2021 08:18 AM
#8042
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01-07-2021 08:41 AM
#8043
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Can you give me one specific claim of election fraud that amounts to a coup? If you want to entertain this idea, imo you should have some idea what their claims are and how incredibly stupid they are. | |
Last edited by oskar; 01-07-2021 at 08:44 AM.
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01-07-2021 09:00 AM
#8044
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01-07-2021 09:04 AM
#8045
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01-07-2021 09:08 AM
#8046
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The courts get to decide what's legitimate, and they have decided those claims are not legitimate. It ends there. If you now want to say ok maybe Trump appointed judges, republican governors and a 6:3 conservative supreme court are all conspiring to rig the election for Biden, then you have to look at the claims if you don't want to look like a raving lunatic... and the claims are fucking retarded, so where do we go from here? | |
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01-07-2021 09:09 AM
#8047
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Joe Scarborough with the appropriate level of outrage. | |
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01-07-2021 09:20 AM
#8048
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01-07-2021 09:23 AM
#8049
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I stopped watching that link when he emphasised the word "INVASION". | |
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01-07-2021 09:27 AM
#8050
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01-07-2021 09:32 AM
#8051
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01-07-2021 09:34 AM
#8052
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Do better than that poop. Or don't bother at all. | |
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01-07-2021 09:46 AM
#8053
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No, show me the law that says damaging property is only illegal if it's privately owned. | |
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01-07-2021 09:54 AM
#8054
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01-07-2021 09:56 AM
#8055
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01-07-2021 10:00 AM
#8056
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01-07-2021 10:05 AM
#8057
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01-07-2021 10:09 AM
#8058
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I don't try to talk about serious issues with the 6 year old who lives next door either. I don't expect him to have done his homework. | |
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01-07-2021 10:22 AM
#8059
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What you do is instantly take an opposing position to anything I say. Instantly. That you refuse to acknowledge any kind of difference between an attack on government and an attack on civilians is evidence of your insincerity. You asked me what the difference was between what you call looting in the Capitol, and the looting of 2020, I told you, and you didn't go "ok that makes some sense", instead you try to go down the path of saying law does not distinguish between looting and criminal damage (it does), and then tell me to give it up as though I'm the one talking shit. | |
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01-07-2021 10:26 AM
#8060
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Ong, you can disagree with us all you want, but I'm personally let down that you characterized my positions on the BLM protests and yesterday's events the way you have. | |
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01-07-2021 10:35 AM
#8061
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I don't think I mentioned you mojo. By "you guys" I pretty much meant poop and oskar, who I usually butt heads with. You tend to be more reasonable in your arguments. | |
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01-07-2021 11:06 AM
#8062
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What part of what I said about the events of last night made you conclude I was outraged when you made that comment about "you guys"? And for the record, I assumed you meant to include Mojo in that as well, since he also opposed your position on the BLM protests at the time. | |
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01-07-2021 11:11 AM
#8063
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If it seems like that, it's only because I disagree with 99% of what you say. I can't help that, sorry. | |
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01-07-2021 11:15 AM
#8064
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This may be true, but no-one is forcing you to argue with us, especially in the way you do. And you should really not feel like you're doing us a favour by putting up an opposing view, and then when that view is shown to be groundless you stick to it anyways, then try to turn it into a convo about something completely irrelevant to what it started out as. What is the point of that really? | |
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01-07-2021 11:33 AM
#8065
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01-07-2021 11:35 AM
#8066
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01-07-2021 11:40 AM
#8067
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A fair proportion probably thought they had no chance of getting inside, and once they were let in they had no idea what to do. So they walked around and took selfies. | |
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01-07-2021 01:42 PM
#8068
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Lol, they're impeaching him again. | |
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01-08-2021 10:18 AM
#8069
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Just to follow up, there was talk of weapons and bombs among the misguided idiots who stormed the Capitol building, but what I've heard since is that stuff was minimal and the bombs were in the city of Washington DC, but I haven't heard them linked to this particular act of stupidity. | |
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01-08-2021 10:47 AM
#8070
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This is the problem I think. If they don't come down hard on Trump and the DC goons (granted most of them were "peaceful" inasmuch as it is possible to be while you storm the Capitol building), it just sends the message that this kind of thing is acceptable. It's also a puss move by the Ds because it effectively says it's fine that you (Trump) gassed and shot rubber bullets and drove cars into actual peaceful protesters and bullied them out of the way for your little Church photo-op, but when your side does something bordering on sedition which you incited them to do, we just want to "heal the nation." I say fuck off to that, throw the book at all of them, especially Trump. | |
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01-08-2021 10:51 AM
#8071
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The problem with trying to be Ned Flanders to Trump and the R's Homer Simpson is that you just invite them to keep walking all over you. | |
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01-08-2021 10:56 AM
#8072
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When you bring a weapon to a robbery it doesn't matter whether you were intending to use it or not, it's armed robbery in the eyes of the law. I think those who brought guns, pipe bombs, molotov cocktails, and zip tie cuffs into the halls of congress are positively fucked. I know Trump stacked the judiciary with maga fret boys, but this might be a little much even for them. | |
Last edited by oskar; 01-08-2021 at 11:31 AM.
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01-08-2021 11:09 AM
#8073
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Yup. Just because Trump's goons were an inchoherent rabble who didn't go thru with the worst of their plans doesn't mean they were "peaceful" by any stretch. | |
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01-08-2021 11:14 AM
#8074
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Found it: | |
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01-08-2021 12:36 PM
#8075
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So it was the Sec. of Defense that asked them to stand down (Esper). Don't know anything about that guy. Then the Sec. Army called them in. | |
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01-08-2021 12:52 PM
#8076
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Esper was fired after he opposed deploying troops against BLM protestors. He was replaced by a former defense contractor last november who made the news by blocking the Biden transition and also breaking the longstanding guideline to not put ex-military in that position. The acting SoD was put in as a last minute loyalist to repeat the show of removing troops from Afghanistan prior to the election and then obviously put them back. Same dance they did about 2 years ago. Biden's pick is also ex-military... just so nobody thinks I have any delusions about Biden's foreign policy going forward. | |
Last edited by oskar; 01-08-2021 at 02:07 PM.
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01-08-2021 02:23 PM
#8077
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Ah ok. Not too surprised it was a Trump toady who took the job. | |
Last edited by Poopadoop; 01-08-2021 at 02:27 PM.
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01-08-2021 03:04 PM
#8078
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85% of cops are Trump supporters. It probably was just a combination of them being deliberately understaffed by leadership and them not wanting to hurt Trump supporters. There's never an email going around saying "we're doing coup, pls everyone assist in the coup... this is punishable by death, but we're confident we got this!" | |
Last edited by oskar; 01-08-2021 at 03:09 PM.
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01-08-2021 05:13 PM
#8079
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I mean it's about as believable right now as the theory doing the rounds that Trump is dead and the last speech he did was a deepfake. | |
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01-08-2021 06:33 PM
#8080
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How long until he's back under another name? | |
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01-09-2021 05:00 AM
#8081
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Coup d'tard theory given credence by NATO intelligence expert. | |
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01-09-2021 05:26 AM
#8082
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01-09-2021 10:50 AM
#8083
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01-09-2021 12:10 PM
#8084
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01-09-2021 12:28 PM
#8085
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I don't give a fuck if you think I'm an idiot, and you have every right to say it. | |
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01-09-2021 03:40 PM
#8086
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In that case, I'd like to add my vote to Boost's. | |
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01-09-2021 05:29 PM
#8087
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You say I'm being emotional, when the exact opposite is true. I don't form my political opinions based on emotion, I try to put emotion aside, which is why you consider me a "heartless bastard". I might come across as emotional in my arguing, but that's purely because I can get a little carried away, I can be a little too enthusiastic. That's because I actually have fun debating these topics strongly. But my opinions are not emotional. You guys (and I'll include mojo here) are emotional. You're motivated primarily by your hatred for Trump. I don't carry that burden. I don't hate Trump, or Biden, or Boris, in fact I don't hate anyone. Mojo isn't motivated by hate though, his emotion emerges in his sensitivity, not in his opinions. His emotion is reactive. But yours isn't. It's clear to see when you discuss anything political, whether it's US politics, Brexit, whatever. You have actual contempt for your political opponents, as though having an opinion that differs to you is outright immoral. | |
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01-09-2021 05:36 PM
#8088
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It's also amusing you call me emotional after I post this. | |
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01-09-2021 05:37 PM
#8089
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I appreciate that he doesn't run from conflict as most people with his ideology do. Ong is not stupid in the sense that he can reason just fine, but he reasons strictly around his ideology like religious people do. Every information coming in has to be made to fit his image of the world. That results in him being perfectly capable of discussing things that are unimpeded by his ideology, but if the subject clashes with his ideology he ends up sounding like a total mong. | |
Last edited by oskar; 01-10-2021 at 04:57 AM.
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01-09-2021 06:16 PM
#8090
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Just a little good ol' ignorance. I absolutely don't think ong is an idiot, even though he's acting like one. Oskar's theory is compelling. | |
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01-09-2021 06:29 PM
#8091
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01-09-2021 06:38 PM
#8092
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The word being banded about at the moment is "insurrection". I'll be honest, I had to look that word up. | |
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01-09-2021 06:39 PM
#8093
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I realize you truly believe that, but at least for me it's just not true. It's about the symbolism of occupying the congress building. I'm against each and every broken window caused by anyone BLM-adjacent, but these things are just entirely on different levels of significance. One is run of the mill vandalism, the other is a semi-orchestrated attempt to influence the election process. If you fail to see the difference there, you might want to analyze your own views on the reasons for these events. | |
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01-09-2021 06:43 PM
#8094
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01-09-2021 07:08 PM
#8095
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01-09-2021 07:46 PM
#8096
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1. In the weeks following the election that he loses, the ex-POTUS repeatedly calls it a fraud and claims that he really won, and that the sacred democractic rights of his supporters are being trampled on by dark forces. He calls on his political allies to join him in disputing the results, and for his VP to refuse to certify them. During this same time, the fraud narrative is repeated on social media and right-wing groups prepare to go to the Capitol on Jan. 6 at the ex-POTUS' behest. | |
Last edited by Poopadoop; 01-09-2021 at 07:49 PM.
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01-09-2021 07:53 PM
#8097
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Does anyone remember when Wuf used to spend all his free time reading r_thedonald and Scott Adams, and then would come here and try to tell us Trump was a 3D chess grandmaster? I suspect something similar is going on here with Ong - I'll bet he's exposing himself to a lot of right-wing "alternative facts" on twitter about Trump, Brexit, and the like and because they fit his worldview, he accepts them in lieu of the truths we try to explain to him. | |
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01-09-2021 08:38 PM
#8098
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01-09-2021 09:04 PM
#8099
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You continue to express suspicion about the legality of the election, despite us explaining to you repeatedly that all the cases disputing have been thrown out of court as laughable. So where are you getting this idea from? Do you just hear "Trump disputes election" and give him the benefit of the doubt? If so, that's pretty dumb given his record for lying to suit his own ends. | |
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01-09-2021 09:08 PM
#8100
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What do you think would have happened if those MAGA-tards banging on the door had managed to get past security and string up Pence and Pelosi? Or toss a couple of pipe bombs into a room full of senators? | |
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