*** The Official MAGAposting thread ***

[oskar]

Do you not think that attempting to sanction USA is an act of geopolitical suicide? At what cost are you willing to hold them accountable for their foreign policy?

I guess it's wait-and-see time. If Trump goes 2 terms I don't think anyone needs me to tell them that it's time to work on economic and military independence from the US.
I'm honestly more concerned about the UK shitting the bed as a trading partner than the US. Much of US economy relies on oil exports. For how much longer is that sustainable?

I actually give Trump credit for not starting a war with Iran...yet.

I don't give him credit for having a cabinte full of dick-waving war mongers like Bolton. If he had been on the golf course when that strike order was given, it'd be WWIII now.

Wouldn't he have had to give that order? I don't think anyone else has the authority to launch a missile strike on a foreign country.
I can believe that he's not very interested in a war with Iran besides what it means for his re-election. I don't think he's personally involved in any provocations like playing chicken over controlled air space, but he put the people in charge who are.

[Poopadoop]

Wouldn't he have had to give that order?

With any other potus I'd agree. Not sure about this one. If someone asked him 'should we bomb iran?' during executive time, i'm guessing he'd just nod and grunt and go back to watching Apprentice reruns, and they'd take that as assent.

I don't think anyone else has the authority to launch a missile strike on a foreign country.
I can believe that he's not very interested in a war with Iran besides what it means for his re-election. I don't think he's personally involved in any provocations like playing chicken over controlled air space, but he put the people in charge who are.

I believe he's doing what he thinks makes for good TV, nothing less or more. He's not a complicated man.

[oskar]

I believe he's doing what he thinks makes for good TV, nothing less or more. He's not a complicated man.

Do you think he asked until what point he could cancel the attack just so he could later cancel it at the last minute?

Don't forget the poorly known fact that Africa isn't even connected to America. You don't learn that in school you know.

Many people don't know that!

[oskar]

First hand account of the conditions in Trump Camps:

[Poopadoop]

First hand account of the conditions in Trump Camps:

As appalling as this is, an interesting question is how America got from being the moral leader of the World to 'we dont gaf wat you think, we're going semi-Nazi' in roughly half a century.

America's geopolitical peak of power took place around 1960, they've been in relative decline ever since.

The critical word here imo is 'decline'. Historically, every country that leads the world starts to lose its shit when it sees that lead slipping away.

Spain in late 1500s. France in 1600s. Britain in early 1900s.

How do they all respond?

"zomg we're losing status! Soon country X will pass us!!" Answer: Small wars we can 'win' to convince the locals we're still the biggest and baddest. Ignore international law because fuck them we're the best. Prioritize military spending over developing the economy.

The outcome is just as predictable. Second place status. No longer the big kid on the block, but try to maintain prestige as long as possible.

China will pass America in the next fifty years. Like before, it will seem impossible until it happens. Like before, it will cost innocents their lives as the previous Superpower goes through its period of adjustment to being a second rate power. Like before, it is inevitable.

[Poopadoop]

Do you think he asked until what point he could cancel the attack just so he could later cancel it at the last minute?

That would fit his pattern yes.

For all his faults, I don't think Trump is a war monger. He's very happy to stick his chest out but he doesn't seem to like war.

That doesn't mean he can't be talked into it, though. I think if it was a choice between war and giving up something like Michigan or w/e he'd go with war.

[Poopadoop]

For all his faults, I don't think Trump is a war monger. He's very happy to stick his chest out but he doesn't seem to like war.

The historical precedent for this is Kaiser Bill of WWI fame. He liked talking shit too but got quiet when it came to actual war. There did come a point though when it was too late to stop the chain of events, and the war mongers around him got their way. This is what could happen with Trump.