*** The Official MAGAposting thread ***

[oskar]

https://news.un.org/en/story/2018/06/1012382

It's a statement by a UN official. idk how this changes anything anyway. The US has stopped cooperating with the UN over a year ago. Previously there was an element of UN oversight.

Ong, this is not disputed. There are shelters reacting to this, saying they're not happy and they'll use emergency funds to keep these programs going for as long as they can, but this is not something that you can expect to turn out to be an elaborate hoax. This is very much expected after Kristjan Nielson's departure. It is in line with the Trump admins statements on what the child separation is supposed to be about. I'm sure someone would have asked Sarah Huckabee Sanders at a press briefing, but it's the 3rd or 4th month without a press briefing.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Got what?

The clarification that ong's question wasn't about child separation, but about holding immigrants in facilities that were historically used as internment camps.

Do you really think that my assessment on whether or not it is moral to forcibly separate children from their parents with no plan of reuniting them depends on who's doing it?

I've made no statements on the subject whatsoever. I was merely clarifying a misunderstanding.
Asking your opinion is the opposite of stipulating your opinion for you.
Quoting from a link to show the context of the question isn't editorializing.

Is that really what you think?

No. Nothing you've said here has nothing to do with me whatsoever.

I really don't get it.

This much is clear.

Is that really it?

Still no.

That was supposed to be a gotcha, and I'm supposed to go "oh shit! Obama did it? Well I guess it's ok then!" - ???

Nope. It was supposed to clarify that the question and topic are not about family separation at all, but about the location of immigrant holding sites and their historical context.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

I'm sure plenty, but nothing you've mentioned here is remotely on topic for either what went down, or for what I opine on any of these subjects.


Are you OK?
You're acting like a real jerk, here.
Don't be a jerk.

[Poopadoop]

I'm sure someone would have asked Sarah Huckabee Sanders at a press briefing, but it's the 3rd or 4th month without a press briefing.

They'll have to wait to ask the next best person Trump hires.

[Jack Sawyer]

[MadMojoMonkey]

@Jack... the video kinda stops before getting to the point.

[OngBonga]

It's a statement by a UN official.

This is not the same as an official UN statement. I'm not trying to be difficult, it's just the opinion of one man does not compare to the official opinion of one of the few respectable bodies in existence.

Ong, this is not disputed.

As mojo points out, I'm disputing whether kids in US camps are being treated like prisoners of war. The whole "separating families" issue is a subjective issue. Either you don't have a problem with adults who attempt to cross borders illegally being treated like criminals, or you do.

If they're deliberately not keeping records as a deterrent, yes I agree that's disgusting and amounts to human rights abuse. I would expect the UN to have something official to say about that, in the form of a statement, not a lone guy speaking out. Who knows what motivated that guy? Maybe it was his conscience, maybe it was a shady handshake. Politics is murky business.

Playing football is not a budget concern. It's as cheap as it gets. These kids are obviously supervised round the clock, what difference does it make if they are supervised inside or outside? How much does a football cost, and some goalposts? How much does a basketball and hoops cost? Less than the damage a bunch of bored kids will cause if they are left inside with nothing to do.

It's not a budget concern. If it's happening, if they are not being allowed to engage in activities, then it is nothing more than a punishment.

[Poopadoop]

So, Trump spends 2-3 years screaming 'no collusion!' 'witch hunt!' and the like, and then gets asked a simple question, "would you collude?" and answers "sure i would!"

[oskar]

MMM,
Ong asks "were you terrified when Obama did this," which is irrelevant and then you come along and clarify the irrelevant thing, and then you go... well I don't care if it's irrelevant, I'm just here to provide context for this insane attempt at an argument!
Why not just say that it's irrelevant if you understand it to be irrelevant?
Fucking americans, you guys are challenging me not to become a full-on racist more than that one time I worked for jews. Those guys... were not representative of their whole ethnic group... I'm sure. goddamn.

[oskar]

They'll have to wait to ask the next best person Trump hires.

I'm on the edge of my seat.

If they're deliberately not keeping records as a deterrent, yes I agree that's disgusting and amounts to human rights abuse. I would expect the UN to have something official to say about that, in the form of a statement, not a lone guy speaking out. Who knows what motivated that guy? Maybe it was his conscience, maybe it was a shady handshake. Politics is murky business.

I'm surprised you care so much about the opinion of the UN. UN opinion or not, I'll just come out and say: it is not right to punish a child because their parents crossed a border.

Looks like Trump just announced he'll remove "millions of illegal aliens" Seems like americans didn't buy the false flag oil tanker attack, so if the Iran war isn't happening soon, he'll need to do something drastic to get his base back. Putting millions in concentration camps will do I guess.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...658870274?s=20

This is the most likes he has gotten in a long time. Lookin' good I guess.

[OngBonga]

I'm surprised you care so much about the opinion of the UN. UN opinion or not, I'll just come out and say: it is not right to punish a child because their parents crossed a border.

Is it right to punish a child if its parent kills another human being? I mean, putting a parent in jail, that's punishing the child. The parent crossed a border ILLEGALLY, as in, acted like a criminal. You seem to be oblivious to this fact.

Seems like americans didn't buy the false flag oil tanker attack, so if the Iran war isn't happening soon,

It seems we do agree on some matters. The Iran thing is quite clearly bullshit. Although it does slightly amuse me that people will call that out for the bullshit it is, while shouting "but Russia".

Also, public opinion isn't really a concern to the powers that be when it comes to foreign policy. If they want a war with Iran, it'll happen. They're saying they'll exceed uranium enrichment within 10 days. I bet they know how many ciggies I smoke every day, too, and precisely when I'll get lung cancer.

Putting millions in concentration camps will do I guess.

Dare I ask, source please? Specifically, "millions" and "concentration camps".

[OngBonga]

I'm surprised you care so much about the opinion of the UN.

I've got to have faith in something. The UN is a body that represents nearly every nation on the planet. Their remit is to maintain peace and security, and to foster good relations between nations. They don't tend to get involved with bullshit politics, at least not that I'm aware of. If they have something official to say, it's worth a great deal more than anything any politician has to say.

[spoonitnow]

I'm still MAGA as fuck in case anyone was wondering.

[OngBonga]

I hate to break it to you, but I'm pretty much the most right wing person here now. It's gotta suck for you that you're most closely aligned to the person who annoys you the most.

Although, having said that, didn't mojo get on your tits, too?

[spoonitnow]

I hate to break it to you, but I'm pretty much the most right wing person here now. It's gotta suck for you that you're most closely aligned to the person who annoys you the most.

Although, having said that, didn't mojo get on your tits, too?

I'm not right-wing.

Mojo's just autistic but has a good heart, so it's more like playing with a dog than anything.

[OngBonga]

You're right wing by British standards. Although I don't even think I know what right wing means anymore. It used to mean capitalist, not socialist. Now I think they use that term to call people racist.

[OngBonga]

I like mojo a lot, I just like to take the piss.

[spoonitnow]

You're right wing by British standards. Although I don't even think I know what right wing means anymore. It used to mean capitalist, not socialist. Now I think they use that term to call people racist.

You forgot fascist.

I like mojo a lot, I just like to take the piss.

I like him as much as I can.

[OngBonga]

Fascism is a weird one. They're both extreme right and extreme left. But even if we say fascism is right wing, that doesn't mean right wing is fascism.

[spoonitnow]

Fascism is a weird one. They're both extreme right and extreme left. But even if we say fascism is right wing, that doesn't mean right wing is fascism.

That sounds just like something a fascist would say, you fucking racist.

[OngBonga]

I'm not a racist. I'm a xenophobe I'll have you know.

[spoonitnow]

Since racist no longer means what it did when I was growing up, I'm apparently a racist now.

[OngBonga]

I think racist used to mean something like "considers ones race to be superior to others", but now it means "opposes unchecked immigration" or "voted to leave the EU". Or even "thinks the Israeli government has undue influence over the foreign policies of other nations", although the latter case is a special kind of racism, the worst kind.

[OngBonga]

I'm definitely xenophobic though, I mean fuck the Germans.

[oskar]

There isn't an actual racist in this world who would call himself a racist. I know what you're thinking: What about that Boer guy in the Louis Theroux docu about south africa. You mean this?



Not a racist.

It's a useless word when you're trying to have a conversation with racists. Unless you want to trigger them, then it's amazing!

I overheard someone this week saying "They call us fascists, but what about the people who come here and don't even learn the language. They're the fascists!"
Some words are just... We need to scrap them and start over.

[spoonitnow]

I think racist used to mean something like "considers ones race to be superior to others", but now it means "opposes unchecked immigration" or "voted to leave the EU". Or even "thinks the Israeli government has undue influence over the foreign policies of other nations", although the latter case is a special kind of racism, the worst kind.

Glad to meet a fellow Nazi.

[oskar]

Dare I ask, source please? Specifically, "millions" and "concentration camps".

Concentration camp is accurate, but loaded. I could say Internment camp which is also loaded. That's kind of the point. I love that AOC came out can called them concentration camps. That is what they are. Death camps start out as concentration camps but not all concentration camps are death camps. It's accurate language and it accurately reflects the amount of concern people should have imo.
As for millions, here's the tweet: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...658870274?s=20

I assume they'll have to hold them. You can't just teleport "millions" of brown people.

[spoonitnow]

An alternative to concentration camps is just shooting people who cross the border illegally as foreign invaders. It solves a lot of the problems of housing people, verifying their identity, verifying that the kids they're bring with them are really their kids, etc., and it provides a strong incentive for the problem to solve itself in the first place by increasing the risk of crossing illegally.

I mean, it'll piss off the Democrats, but what doesn't?

[oskar]

Is Trump really the guy to do it tho? Isn't he literally flying immigrants to sanctuary cities now? So basically open borders?

[spoonitnow]

Sanctuary cities are such a dumb concept, and it would be so easy to stop them from happening. Very easy. Let me tell you.

But is Trump really the guy to do it tho? Isn't he literally flying immigrants to sanctuary cities now? So basically open borders?

Trump wouldn't do something that drastic in his first term.

I'll give a non-sarcastic response right after this, but it'll take me a few.

[spoonitnow]

Is Trump really the guy to do it tho?

No, he's not. We don't have any politicians who are the person to do it because no one wants to take ultimate responsibility for it.

And I mean, fair enough. No one wants to take responsibility for a bunch of Mexicans getting shot at the border, especially politicians whose livelihoods are based largely on public perception, and I'm not saying that immediately shooting whoever crosses the border is an optimal solution, but it does address a lot of the current problems (at the cost of creating some new ones).

With that said, I don't think that it would be an unreasonable policy as long as adequate efforts were made to secure the border (including a sufficient physical barrier) and sufficient efforts to communicate the risk in attempting to cross were made so that people wouldn't try to cross without being sufficiently informed of the risk.

There are plenty of places in the world where crossing a border gets you legally shot. There are plenty of places in the United States where crossing a border gets you legally shot. People just have some kind of hang-up with it over this one particular border for some reason.

And before someone pulls out the "applying for asylum" card, you can apply for asylum without coming to the US border.

[Poopadoop]

Yeah, and you could start shooting people who you catch speeding too. Would be an effective way to enforce the speed limit.

Stop talking shit.

[OngBonga]

Concentration camp is accurate

By your logic, it seems prisons are concentration camps.

millions

Right, so your source is a Trump tweet. Is that even worth debating?

[spoonitnow]

Yeah, and you could start shooting people who you catch speeding too. Would be an effective way to enforce the speed limit.

Stop talking shit.

Charming.

By your logic, it seems prisons are concentration camps.

Just throwing this out there, but concentration camps aren't inherently bad.

[OngBonga]

Just throwing this out there, but concentration camps aren't inherently bad.

I take issue with that term simply because of the historical context it comes with. Nobody is getting gassed.

[spoonitnow]

I take issue with that term simply because of the historical context it comes with. Nobody is getting gassed.

Yet.

[OngBonga]

Gassing people is inherently bad.

[oskar]

If you think they're people, it is.

[spoonitnow]

Gassing people is inherently bad.

Nah. It's just a tool like any other tool that can be used for good or bad purposes.

Example: The mass gassing (group discount) of people who want to die because they're slowly suffering to death.

[oskar]

I think you'd get along fine with MMM these days.

I think my broader question is: is Trump the guy to do anything? What has he been successful at as president?

[OngBonga]

What has he been successful at as president?

Triggering precious little lambs.

[Poopadoop]

Triggering precious little lambs.

yeah, cause it takes a lot of skill to both be president and to have your greatest achievement as president being a knob on social media.

[oskar]

Well, he's only responsible for like one drone strike that killed just 40 or so children. Obama did much better. Elliot Abrams still hasn't made anything happen in Venezuela. That guy covered up a rape-genocide... in context what they're doing now is really low on the trigger scale.
Iran could be triggering, but holy shit that really didn't take off the way they wanted. He's been trying to manufacture a war with Iran since literally day 1. Still nothing. If this concentration camp thing falls flat, I don't even think anyone will be really triggered, they'll just vote the fat fuck out and move on.

[OngBonga]

yeah, cause it takes a lot of skill to both be president and to have your greatest achievement as president being a knob on social media.

I'll only ever be one of those, no matter how hard I try. Fair play to the man.

[OngBonga]

The lambs I refer to are everyone who passionately hates him, which is a fuck ton of people.

[spoonitnow]

I think you'd get along fine with MMM these days.

I think my broader question is: is Trump the guy to do anything? What has he been successful at as president?

Owning liberals and https://www.whitehouse.gov/trump-adm...complishments/

Triggering precious little lambs.

I love it. I'd say it's better than putting them in gas chambers because they have to suffer longer, but someone would probably get triggered and say I hate Israel or something.

The lambs I refer to are everyone who passionately hates him, which is a fuck ton of people.

Love Trumps hate.

[OngBonga]

I saw recent footage of people being asked what "pride" means to them. Love, acceptance, blah blah blah. Then they were asked what they think of Trump. "Fuck Trump" was the common reply.

Wonderful stuff.

[spoonitnow]

I saw recent footage of people being asked what "pride" means to them. Love, acceptance, blah blah blah. Then they were asked what they think of Trump. "Fuck Trump" was the common reply.

Wonderful stuff.

I've been telling people happy white pride month, happy straight pride month, etc. just to watch them lose their shit. Pride month is such a gold mine.

[oskar]

I've been telling people happy white pride month, happy straight pride month, etc. just to watch them lose their shit. Pride month is such a gold mine.

That happened.

and https://www.whitehouse.gov/trump-adm...complishments/

lol

[spoonitnow]

Surely you don't think I've stopped trolling for entertainment. The politics (aka far-left politics) and TwoXChromosomes sub-reddits are my current favorites places to do so. They are downright rabid and get triggered over anything. I love it.

[oskar]

The politics (aka far-left politics) ... sub-reddits

It's the only place you can do it. All conservatives communities are well guarded safe-spaces where you get the boot the second there's a hint you're not toeing the line.

I've been posing this challenge to everyone here who thinks Trump is a mentally abled person: Can you give me an example of Trump saying something you think is smart?

Slight problem: What you think is trolling, I think is retardation. To get around that: can you give me an example of Trump saying something smart that is distinguishable from something a retard would say. Like for example if he says 'The US has the cleanest climates there are' - that might be genius trolling, but it's indistinguishable from something a retard would say; whereas something like: "What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." is something a retard would not say.

[oskar]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/20/u...rms-sales.html

Is this unprecedented for Trump era GoP? Mitch McConnell backs bipartisan rebuke of Trump's attempt to sign a weapons deal with SA by circumventing congress through an emergency declaration.

[oskar]

“The reason I’m voting with Senator Paul and others today is to send a signal to Saudi Arabia that if you act the way you’re acting, there is no space for a strategic relationship,” he said. “There is no amount of oil you can produce that will get me and others to give you a pass on chopping somebody up in a consulate.”

- Lindsey Graham


This is in stark contrast to the white house statement right after Khashoggi killing: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings...-saudi-arabia/

[oskar]

https://twitter.com/girlsreallyrule/...609507328?s=20

Really glad they didn't shoot down a manned drone. But luckily there was no man in it. Could have been very different if there was a man in it!

[spoonitnow]

It's the only place you can do it.

lol oh okay

[oskar]

What do you mean? Do you think you can say anything critical about Trump on /r/conservative or /r/The_Donald and not get immediately banned?

[spoonitnow]

[oskar]

In your opinion is this something:

• a retard would not do
• a retard would do
• a retard would definitely do

[spoonitnow]

[Poopadoop]

Geez that's some master trolling there lol.

Get asked a simple question: Can you give an instance of Trump saying something smart?

Respond with a non-sequitur.

Rinse and repeat.

Bravo.

I guess sometimes it takes a retard to love a retard.

[spoonitnow]

"Look at you, you are a pussy."

[oskar]

Poop, speak for yourself. I am fuming.


Spoon... Here's why that last one really falls flat. This is my second 4-day weekend this month. For the last week the 13 mile inner-city island I use to bike to work has been riddled with construction because they're putting up a dozen stages for an annual 3-day music festival that starts today. It averages 2,5 million attendees and is free entrance. There are 8 open-air cinemas that start this month and our shitty right-wing coalition was disbanded this month on suspicion of corruption and replaced by an expert panel pending re-election.

If you want to know how to tilt me anyway; MMM put on a masterclass recently.

[Poopadoop]

For the last week the 13 mile inner-city island I use to bike to work has been riddled with construction

Confirmed shithole.

they're putting up a dozen stages for an annual 3-day music festival that starts today.

yeah, but how many Make Austria Germany Again rallies can you go to?

and is free entrance.

Communist.

our shitty right-wing coalition was disbanded this month on suspicion of corruption

Witch hunt!

[oskar]

yeah, but how many Make Austria Germany Again rallies can you go to?

[OngBonga]

yeah, but how many Make Austria Germany Again rallies can you go to?

This is good. When did libs learn to meme well?

Communist.

Nah, it's not "free" in the sense the taxpayer is paying for it. They'll make their money by charging traders for their pitch. And they'll make a fuck load if 2.5 mill attend. Pure capitalism.

[spoonitnow]

I thought oskar was Hungarian for some reason.

Same shit, different asshole.

[oskar]

Ong, forget about football. Here's the Trump admin arguing in the appeals court that soap, toothbrushes, blankets and mattresses are not part of "safe and sanitary conditions" that are required under the Flores Act and thus need not be provided for minor detainees. This is to argue that the Trump administration has not broken any laws by forcing minor detainees to sleep on concrete floor in space blankets with the lights on and not providing them with soap or toothbrushes as has been reported by delegations visiting the camps.

Cruelty is the point. "These are not people, these are animals" "They're rapists." "It's an invasion." "They all have AIDS"

https://youtu.be/Z2GkDz9yEJA?t=1447

[spoonitnow]

Nice.

Personally, I'd rather just not let them in at all. It seems like a more humane option over the long run.

[spoonitnow]

[spoonitnow]

[spoonitnow]

[OngBonga]

Ong, forget about football. Here's the Trump admin arguing in the appeals court that soap, toothbrushes, blankets and mattresses are not part of "safe and sanitary conditions" that are required under the Flores Act and thus need not be provided for minor detainees. This is to argue that the Trump administration has not broken any laws by forcing minor detainees to sleep on concrete floor in space blankets with the lights on and not providing them with soap or toothbrushes as has been reported by delegations visiting the camps.

Cruelty is the point. "These are not people, these are animals" "They're rapists." "It's an invasion." "They all have AIDS"

https://youtu.be/Z2GkDz9yEJA?t=1447

Ok so I'm outraged. What now? Should I default to a pro-immigration position?

I'm certainly not in favour of treating immigrant children like criminals. And even failing to provide these basic things to adult immigrants is unacceptable. There's no excuse for it. There are other ways to deter illegal immigrants crossing the border, and that's to deport them.

If there's something I can do to change this, please let me know what it is I can do. If you expect me to hate Trump passionately, that's not going to happen. I don't find hatred of foreign politicians to be particularly healthy. I have enough contempt for our own politicians.

[spoonitnow]

There are other ways to deter illegal immigrants crossing the border, and that's to deport them.

What a lot of people don't realize is that the crisis at our southern border is primarily an issue of incentives. Right now, there are a whole lot of incentives to show up and say that you're seeking asylum. We have hundreds of African immigrants doing it all the time.

Let me repeat: We have hundreds of African immigrants at the southern border doing it all the time. At our southern border. That does not connect to fucking Africa.

[spoonitnow]

God, she looks like a Star Wars villain. I love it.

[oskar]

If there's something I can do to change this, please let me know what it is I can do. If you expect me to hate Trump passionately, that's not going to happen.

I think Trump has the least personal autonomy of any leader in recent memory. He seems to be almost exclusively driven by the desire to please his voters. I don't love it when people call a leader "the symptom, not the cause" because I think it unduly absolves the leader from responsibility, but it has never been more true than with Trump.
So no, I don't want you to hate him. I don't hate him. When I look at him I see a pitiful pile of daddy issues, desperate to please strong men... I will celebrate his death, but I think those can be separate.

Obviously nobody can do much. I do not understand the americans reluctance to protest especially given their comparatively successful history of protests. As europeans... whatever politician runs on sanctioning the US as long as they keep supporting the genocide in Yemen, the human rights abuses in for-profit prisons, keeps employing extrajudicial law enforcement agencies like ICE, keeps running Abu Ghraib and Gitmo and keeps employing no-accountability mercenaries like blackwater - gets my vote.

[oskar]

....On Monday they shot down an unmanned drone flying in International Waters. We were cocked & loaded to retaliate last night on 3 different sights when I asked, how many will die. 150 people, sir, was the answer from a General. 10 minutes before the strike I stopped it, not....

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...965212161?s=20

genius trolling