04-23-2019 07:20 PM
#4576
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04-23-2019 07:30 PM
#4577
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I think I finally understand Oskar's point of view. This lays it out beautifully |
04-23-2019 07:40 PM
#4578
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I know you want 5 more minutes of Miles..... |
04-23-2019 07:56 PM
#4579
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Mueller has the power to say something is not solid, but adheres to DOJ policy against declaring something to be a solid. |
04-23-2019 08:08 PM
#4580
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Oh thank god. | |
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04-23-2019 08:13 PM
#4581
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OK, cool. I'll try to parse it better, but geez... you're not making it easy. | |
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04-23-2019 08:18 PM
#4582
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04-23-2019 08:20 PM
#4583
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04-23-2019 08:35 PM
#4584
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Fine here's a binary example |
04-23-2019 08:36 PM
#4585
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04-23-2019 08:39 PM
#4586
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Let's try this in a way bananaspoon might understand: | |
Last edited by Poopadoop; 04-23-2019 at 08:51 PM. | |
04-23-2019 08:43 PM
#4587
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04-23-2019 08:58 PM
#4588
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Poop's on top of this. | |
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04-23-2019 09:03 PM
#4589
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I haven't read everything in the past 3 pages, but I assume that poop's never said collusion 'cause poop knows that collusion is a red herring, since it's not a crime on any level of US law. Cooperation to deceive is not illegal. Neither part of it is illegal, either. | |
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04-23-2019 09:06 PM
#4590
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04-23-2019 09:11 PM
#4591
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The point here is that the left was so sure....and I mean SOOOOO sure that Mueller was going to report something on Trump that got him booted out of office. It was just the precursor to inevitable impeachment. |
Last edited by TheSpoonald; 04-23-2019 at 09:18 PM. | |
04-23-2019 09:19 PM
#4592
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Dems wanted a clear cut case for impeachment that they could ride into 2020. they didn't get it. |
04-23-2019 09:21 PM
#4593
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Because Mueller was never investigating collusion, a legal activity. | |
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04-23-2019 09:31 PM
#4594
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Yes he fucking was man. And I'm getting tired of repeating myself. Just go find the one-page document that outlines the purpose and scope of Mueller's investigation and tell me what it says. Show me where it says that Mueller is only allowed to investigate illegal activity. |
Last edited by TheSpoonald; 04-23-2019 at 09:34 PM. | |
04-23-2019 09:34 PM
#4595
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Lol | |
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04-23-2019 09:37 PM
#4596
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They tried for three weeks with that grappling hook man. And the only part of that story that was debunked was that it was Navy Seals. It was actually just some regular infantry unit. Important distinction, but it's not like it was tested by incompetent boobs. |
04-23-2019 09:43 PM
#4597
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It's funny that you accuse me of missing the point of things alot, but you think a viable argument against the wall is that it doesn't work. |
04-23-2019 09:45 PM
#4598
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By the same token, I think single payer healthcare should be implemented tomorrow. Personally I think it would be horrible idea. I can think of a dozen completely sound arguments against it. But those are just my opinions, and that's all they'll ever be. America decided that single payer healthcare was a good idea in 2008, so that's what should happen. |
04-23-2019 09:50 PM
#4599
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Well, you can keep saying stupid, inconsequential things all day, but no one intelligent is going to agree with them. | |
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04-23-2019 10:09 PM
#4600
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I didn't tell you anything. I asked you questions. |
04-23-2019 10:32 PM
#4601
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Slow down there chuckles. Are you telling me that Mueller's scope was limited only to illegal activity? Is that what you believe? |
04-23-2019 11:59 PM
#4602
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He's "allowed" to investigate what his professional judgement leads him to believe is relevant to uncovering the allegations he's investigating. | |
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04-24-2019 07:12 AM
#4603
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Ok....you really need to let go of the idea that Mueller was exclusively limited to some kind of law-enforcement function. He wasn't. His job was to tell us what happened. For the fifth time now....go look up his exact instructions. Tell me where it specifies "crimes" or "illegal activity" |
04-24-2019 07:15 AM
#4604
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04-24-2019 07:16 AM
#4605
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04-24-2019 07:20 AM
#4606
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Actually what I put in quotes is an effective total summation of what the report says. |
Last edited by TheSpoonald; 04-24-2019 at 07:50 AM. | |
04-24-2019 07:29 AM
#4607
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I think you just need to accept that any news source is going to have a human bias. Ben Shapiro is a conservative, if you listen to his podcast, you're going to get a conservative take on the news. If you watch Maddow, you'll get the opposite. |
04-24-2019 07:42 AM
#4608
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04-24-2019 07:45 AM
#4609
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04-24-2019 07:55 AM
#4610
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Nowhere in the MSM, that's the problem. | |
04-24-2019 08:00 AM
#4611
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04-24-2019 08:07 AM
#4612
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04-24-2019 08:12 AM
#4613
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Also it's not that their bias is 'open', as in they come out and say 'here's a biased report, enjoy' it's just blatant. There are plenty of people who can't see blatant bias if it smacks them in the face. There's others who see it and since it matches their own bias, it doesn't register as bias. | |
04-24-2019 08:16 AM
#4614
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Not sure what you're watching, but I see Fox acknowledge it's conservative tilt all the time. MSNBC clearly knows what it is. So does Vox. So does Ben Shapiro. So does Breitbart. NYT and WaPo pretty much admit to be tabloids now. |
04-24-2019 08:23 AM
#4615
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None of them identify themselves as 'biased' afaik. They claim a particular 'perspective'. That's a much more neutral word, and they use it (or various synonyms) to give themselves credibility. | |
04-24-2019 08:38 AM
#4616
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The whole point of propaganda is to try to present the information as if its credible. You don't do that by being open about what your bias is. If you preface a report with 'fyi, this is a real biased line of shit we're about to feed you here', no-one is going to believe it. | |
Last edited by Poopadoop; 04-24-2019 at 08:41 AM. | |
04-24-2019 08:40 AM
#4617
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The only reason to watch MSM news imo is to see what other people are being exposed to, and use that info to understand why they may believe the things they do. | |
04-24-2019 10:00 AM
#4618
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Jesus man. I think you put too much cynicism on your cereal this morning. |
04-24-2019 10:06 AM
#4619
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There's a difference between 'not caring' and deliberately being contrary because of your compulsive oppositional defiance disorder. |
04-24-2019 10:14 AM
#4620
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This sounds more like you than anyone I know, frankly. | |
Last edited by Poopadoop; 04-24-2019 at 10:17 AM. | |
04-24-2019 10:17 AM
#4621
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"shut up" he explained |
04-24-2019 10:23 AM
#4622
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Just explaining how the world works, grasshopper. | |
04-24-2019 10:27 AM
#4623
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I just see no reason to prolong an argument so you can rant and rave and call me names. | |
04-24-2019 10:27 AM
#4624
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I want Poop, MMM, and Oskar to just spell it out in plain english. Please just give straight answers to the following questions |
04-24-2019 10:28 AM
#4625
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04-24-2019 10:29 AM
#4626
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04-24-2019 10:35 AM
#4627
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For the jillionth time...he didn't try to fire Mueller. If he actually tried, then Mueller would be fired. He thought about it, he might have even initiated the process. But it never went any further. Nothing actually happened. Thus....no crime. Oh and by the way...if Trump HAD fired Mueller, it's still not obstruction because the POTUS can fire the special counsel. That's in the rules. Following the rules can't ever possibly be a crime. |
04-24-2019 10:36 AM
#4628
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04-24-2019 10:37 AM
#4629
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04-24-2019 10:37 AM
#4630
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04-24-2019 10:39 AM
#4631
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Fun question... |
04-24-2019 10:50 AM
#4632
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Poop, I'm not going to be cruel and let you do this all day. Do yourself a favor, and find chapter and verse in the MR where it says that Trump ordering McGahn to fire Mueller is a potential act of obstruction. |
Last edited by TheSpoonald; 04-24-2019 at 10:53 AM. | |
04-24-2019 11:03 AM
#4633
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04-24-2019 11:03 AM
#4634
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04-24-2019 11:05 AM
#4635
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04-24-2019 11:05 AM
#4636
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04-24-2019 11:07 AM
#4637
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04-24-2019 11:09 AM
#4638
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04-24-2019 11:11 AM
#4639
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Trump ordering McGahn to fire Mueller is not a crime. It's not even close to a crime. And it's certainly not obstruction of justice. |
04-24-2019 11:16 AM
#4640
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Why do you just keep saying the same things over and over again? I've heard your arguments, you've heard mine. Repeating them back and forth is pointless. Move on bud. Find something else to be wrong about. | |
04-24-2019 11:17 AM
#4641
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Last edited by TheSpoonald; 04-24-2019 at 11:19 AM. | |
04-24-2019 11:22 AM
#4642
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I'm not. I spent yesterday telling you why ordering McGahn to fire Mueller is not a crime. Today, I"m changing it up and telling you another ffact....Mueller doesn't think it's a crime either. |
04-24-2019 11:26 AM
#4643
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Let's just go through all 10 charges of obstruction hmm? One at a time |
04-24-2019 11:26 AM
#4644
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So you think Trump's going to cruise to re-election huh? What's that based on? | |
04-24-2019 11:27 AM
#4645
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Allegation 2: Trump didn't want Sessions to recuse himself |
04-24-2019 11:28 AM
#4646
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04-24-2019 11:30 AM
#4647
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Allegation 3: Trump fired Comey to obstruct the investigation |
04-24-2019 11:30 AM
#4648
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Allegation 4: Trump was angry about the appointment of a special counsel and expressed a desire to fire people |
04-24-2019 11:31 AM
#4649
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Allegation 5 Trump asked his former campaign manager Corey Lewandowski to tell Sessions to announce that the investigation was very unfair to him, and that he had done nothing wrong |
04-24-2019 11:31 AM
#4650
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Allegation 6: Trump was not publicly forthcoming about the Trump Tower Meeting. |