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  1. #4351
    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post
    No. I'm not sure where this "threatening to open the border" idea came from. As far as I know Trumps policy consideration relates to immigrants currently being held in over-burdened border detention facilities, and any other immigrants that might be detained between now and whenever the wall gets built.

    I don't think he's talking about opening up the floodgates and just directing traffic towards San Francisco.
    Right, so still don't get what the troll is then. Is it the D's fault they're detaining more people at the border than they have the capacity to house?
  2. #4352
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Is it the D's fault they're detaining more people at the border than they have the capacity to house?
    Yes
  3. #4353
    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post
    Instead of letting them go, or keeping them in a detention facility, Trump is proposing to offer them a bus ride to Oakland. What's your beef with that?
    I guess one objection might be that it's a childish and irresponsible way of dealing with his the shortcomings of his own immigration policy.
  4. #4354
    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post
    Yes
    Care to elaborate?
  5. #4355
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    I guess one objection might be that it's a childish and irresponsible way of dealing with his the shortcomings of his own immigration policy.
    So? What else ya got?

    Pelosi called the policy "cruel". Who is the victim in that story?
  6. #4356
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Care to elaborate?
    Sure. Before ORANGE MAN BAD, both of these people said the exact opposite of everything that they say on this video.

  7. #4357
    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post
    So? What else ya got?

    Pelosi called the policy "cruel". Who is the victim in that story?
    I think it's irrelevant what Pelosi says, especially if you condense it into one word. We're talking about why it's a victory troll for Trump or why a victory troll ranks up there with the New Deal and the Civil Rights Act as a presidential achievement.
  8. #4358
    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post
    Sure. Before ORANGE MAN BAD, both of these people said the exact opposite of everything that they say on this video.

    You'll forgive me for not wanting to watch the Munsters again.

    What did they say 'immigration is bad' or 'close the borders?'

    Sorry, really don't see where you're going with this.
  9. #4359
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    I think it's irrelevant what Pelosi says
    "Shut up!" he explained

    We're talking about why it's a victory troll for Trump
    Did you watch the Tucker Carlson video I posted earlier? If not, do so, and you'll have an answer to this question.

    a victory troll ranks up there with the New Deal and the Civil Rights Act as a presidential achievement
    Your words, not mine.
  10. #4360
    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post
    "Shut up!" he explained


    Did you watch the Tucker Carlson video I posted earlier? If not, do so, and you'll have an answer to this question.


    Your words, not mine.

    I know what Tucker said 'these people love immigrants - why are they complaining when we offer them all they want?'

    What I don't know is why this is a win for Trump. How does solve the immigration problem?
  11. #4361
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    What did they say 'immigration is bad' or 'close the borders?'
    I think you meant to ask "when". And I already told you. It was before ORANGE MAN BAD

    You can find PLENTY of video of Schumer and Pelosi advocating for the construction of a border wall on the floors of congress. It happened. Google it.

    Then one day ORANGE MAN BAD and now these exact same two people are telling us that a wall is immoral

    But yeah, Trump is just SOOOO much more dishonest and retarded than they are. Riiiiiiiigggght
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  12. #4362
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    What I don't know is why this is a win for Trump. How does solve the immigration problem?
    Democrats have been advocating against the wall on moral grounds. This proves how full of shit they are. Any court can see that. Now that they're platform has been exposed as a swamp of bullshit, they really can't stop Trump from implementing stricter immigration policy, including a wall
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post
    I'm honestly not sure where the bolded part is coming from

    An immigrant detained at teh border has to be held somewhere. We are currently running out of space. Current immigration policy has them identified, given a hearing date (that they skip), and allowed to roam free in America until they are apprehended again. That's the current legal process.

    Instead of letting them go, or keeping them in a detention facility, Trump is proposing to offer them a bus ride to Oakland. What's your beef with that?
    I don't really have a beef with that. That's the thing. I feel utterly non-triggered by that suggestion, but it seems like a far left-ish proposal. How that would trigger dems is what I don't get. Trump has said on many occasions he wants to get rid of immigration judges. The proposal we're talking about would skip immigration court and put them straight on american mainland... just not in border cities. It's open borders a bus ride removed.
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  14. #4364
    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post
    I think you meant to ask "when". And I already told you. It was before ORANGE MAN BAD

    You can find PLENTY of video of Schumer and Pelosi advocating for the construction of a border wall on the floors of congress. It happened. Google it.

    Then one day ORANGE MAN BAD and now these exact same two people are telling us that a wall is immoral

    yeah, so they oppose the POTUS of the other party regardless of what they said or did before.

    Still don't see how he is getting some victory troll major presidential achievement out of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post
    Democrats have been advocating against the wall on moral grounds. This proves how full of shit they are. Any court can see that. Now that they're platform has been exposed as a swamp of bullshit, they really can't stop Trump from implementing stricter immigration policy, including a wall
    nononono. Most have said they oppose it because it's a waste of money and because it wouldn't work. Most illegal immigrants overstay their visa, most drugs come through points of entry. To put most of the funds you have in a wall is... you might say... retarded?
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  16. #4366
    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post
    Democrats have been advocating against the wall on moral grounds. This proves how full of shit they are. Any court can see that. Now that they're platform has been exposed as a swamp of bullshit, they really can't stop Trump from implementing stricter immigration policy, including a wall
    Eh, think you're reaching there. It's not simply a choice between open borders bus them all to Beverly Hills and build the Wall.

    Regardless, I'm pretty sure he's not getting his wall.
  17. #4367
    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    nononono. Most have said they oppose it because it's a waste of money and because it wouldn't work. Most illegal immigrants overstay their visa, most drugs come through points of entry. To put most of the funds you have in a wall is... you might say... retarded?
    But...but... "BUILD THE WALL" is such a great chant! What difference does it make if it's a retarded idea?
  18. #4368
    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    I don't really have a beef with that. That's the thing. I feel utterly non-triggered by that suggestion
    That makes you unusual among lefties.

    but it seems like a far left-ish proposal.
    You're adding elements to it that aren't there. It's just our current immigration policy, as-is, plus a bus ride. Nothing is being "proposed" except the bus ride. That's why it's such a great troll....there's NOTHING to object to, unless immigrants are undesirable.

    How that would trigger dems is what I don't get. Trump has said on many occasions he wants to get rid of immigration judges.
    That doesn't sound right. I'd ask for a citation, but I don't care that much. It's not relevant to this anyway. No one is trying to change the number of judges right now.

    The proposal we're talking about would skip immigration court
    No. The proposal that you imagined would skip immigration court. Again...follow me now....everything stays the same, except we add the bus ride. Got that? The bus ride is new, everything else stays the same for now.
  19. #4369
    Ok lol. But why give them the free bus ride? Doesn't that cost money? Why not give them a free house with a chicken in the pot and car in the garage too?

    It sounds kinda 'differently abled' if you ask me.
  20. #4370
    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    nononono. Most have said they oppose it because it's a waste of money
    No they haven't. It's a moral issue and has been ever since ORANGE MAN BAD. Even the leftiest lefty wouldn't believe the "too expensive" argument. Illegal immigrants cost our economy $116B a year. $20B for a wall is a no-brainer.

    and because it wouldn't work.
    Walls work. Don't even try to argue that they don't. They do.

    Most illegal immigrants overstay their visa
    Diversion. 60+ thousand people a month are showing up at the border with no visa. That's a humongous problem by itself. If more immigrants are getting in other ways...that's a separate problem.

    most drugs come through points of entry.
    You took a misleading talking point and then warped it into a complete falsehood. For the record, the correct talking point that you were trying to cite was that "most drugs are confiscated at points of entry". But that's misleading. Who knows what percentage of total drugs that represents. And who knows how much drugs go between ports of entry.

    Suppose you had termites in your house. And when you sought a solution you were told "don't worry about it, most termites are in the forest anyway"

    What we do know is that fentnyl deaths have caused life expectancy in the US to decline for the first time in almost a century. So the drugs are getting in. Period.
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  21. #4371
    Not 'getting rid of' in sense of 'ordering someone to fire them all', just not replacing ones who quit/retire. So far.

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...s-hiring-pause
  22. #4372
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Ok lol. But why give them the free bus ride?
    Why not? Isn't it moral to welcome immigrants warmly? Why not send them to the most open-minded and generous cities that we have? Wouldn't that be the humanitarian thing to do?

    Again...who is the victim in that scenario? Why are Pelosi, and Schumer, and every sanctuary city mayor calling this policy "cruel"? What do they have against immigrants?
  23. #4373
    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post
    Even the leftiest lefty wouldn't believe the "too expensive" argument.
    I've heard them say the same thing. There's better and more effective ways to police the border.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post
    Illegal immigrants cost our economy $116B a year. $20B for a wall is a no-brainer.
    Seems impossible to quantify this precisely, and in any case having a wall isn't going to stop illegal immigration dead in its tracks.



    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post
    Walls work. Don't even try to argue that they don't. They do.
    Sure they work better than an empty space. Doesn't mean they're the best/only solution.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post
    Diversion. 60+ thousand people a month are showing up at the border with no visa. That's a humongous problem by itself. If more immigrants are getting in other ways...that's a separate problem.
    Are they showing up in the desert or at a point of entry? 'Cause I don't think a wall in the desert is going to change that.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post
    What we do know is that fentnyl deaths have caused life expectancy in the US to decline for the first time in almost a century. So the drugs are getting in. Period.
    That's terrible. But, do you imagine people are carrying bags of drugs across the desert border by mule? Or, are they using boats and planes and things that actually make sense if you're trying to traffic large quantities of drugs? How tall is that wall going to be?
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  24. #4374
    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post
    Why not? Isn't it moral to welcome immigrants warmly? Why not send them to the most open-minded and generous cities that we have? Wouldn't that be the humanitarian thing to do?

    Again...who is the victim in that scenario? Why are Pelosi, and Schumer, and every sanctuary city mayor calling this policy "cruel"? What do they have against immigrants?
    I don't know why they'd call it 'cruel' - that doesn't make sense to me. It sounds stupid, but not cruel.
  25. #4375
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    I've heard them say the same thing. There's better and more effective ways to police the border.
    Maybe that's true. In fact, it probably is true. It's also not relevant. Because none of those methods are permanent solutions like a wall. That's the one advantage a wall has over all other solutions.

    The next liberal president can't come in and un-build a wall. He CAN come in and slash funding for sensors, border agents, detention facilities, and all that stuff that is supposedly "more effective".

    That's why the wall is the superior solution. The american public won't accept the other measures. We were sold that shit in the 80's, and 30 years later we have over 20 million people here that shouldn't be.
  26. #4376
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    I don't know why they'd call it 'cruel'
    Because they got trolled.
  27. #4377
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Are they showing up in the desert or at a point of entry?
    Both

    But, do you imagine people are carrying bags of drugs across the desert border by mule?
    Something like that.

    Or, are they using boats and planes and things that actually make sense if you're trying to traffic large quantities of drugs?
    I'm not sure how much you know about fentanyl, but a thermos of the stuff could wipe out a city. "Large quantities" is a fungible term.
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    I could give you sources but I'd just google "trump immigration judges" and give you the top results.
    Currently they're detaining everyone who's waiting for an asylum hearing. What Trump is saying is going a step further than catch and release, but even if he walks it back to catch and release, then you're back to Obama policy. In what way is walking immigration laws back to how they were under Obama trolling the libs? What am I missing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post
    Because they got trolled.
    So because you made something up that you think they'd say, they got trolled?
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  30. #4380
    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    So because you made something up that you think they'd say, they got trolled?
    It's not made up

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...es/3443705002/

    "cruelty"
    "cynicism"
    "inhumanity"
    "disgusting policy"

    Why would they say that? Are immigrants "disgusting"?
    Last edited by TheSpoonald; 04-22-2019 at 03:35 PM.
  31. #4381
    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    Currently they're detaining everyone who's waiting for an asylum hearing.
    Until there is nowhere left to detain them. Which is the point we are at.
  32. #4382
    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    What am I missing?
    You seem to be missing how the left collectively lost it's friggen shit over this. Cher had the best response of all, but she's an irrelevant hag so it's not that big of a deal. But Pelosi, and every democrat mayor from coast to coast all simultaneously had a stroke.
  33. #4383
    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post
    Because they got trolled.
    yeah, something isn't adding up here...

    Pelosi referred to Trump's child separation policy as cruel. Did she say the same thing about bussing people to Oakland? What are you talking about here?
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    You'd have to ask them to clarify, but I'm reading this as: the notion that you can send human beings as punishment to "send a message to democrats" is cruel and inhumane.
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  35. #4385
    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post

    I'm not sure how much you know about fentanyl, but a thermos of the stuff could wipe out a city. "Large quantities" is a fungible term.
    Better close the airports and post offices too.

    And where is this illicit fentanyl originating? About 80 percent of the pure fentanyl seized by U.S. authorities last fiscal year arrived from China, often through the mail.
  36. #4386
    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    You'd have to ask them to clarify, but I'm reading this as: the notion that you can send human beings as punishment to "send a message to democrats" is cruel and inhumane.
    Or maybe that he's using this threat as leverage to get money for his Wall.
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    I say: most illegal immigrants overstay their visa.

    You say:
    Walls work. Don't even try to argue that they don't. They do.
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  38. #4388
    Are there are lot of pure fentanyl overdoses? Or is heroin usually involved? Where does the heroin come from?
  39. #4389
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Did she say the same thing about bussing people to Oakland? What are you talking about here?
    Her response, through a spokeswoman, to this exact policy is quoted below

    The extent of this Administration’s cynicism and cruelty cannot be overstated
  40. #4390
    Oh yeah well here's a clue:

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's district was specifically targeted, according to the Post, noting that the White House wanted to transport migrants into her congressional district in San Francisco.

    Ashley Etienne, a spokeswoman for Pelosi, called the proposal "despicable."

    "The extent of this Administration’s cynicism and cruelty cannot be overstated," Etienne said in a statement. "Using human beings — including little children — as pawns in their warped game to perpetuate fear and demonize immigrants is despicable, and in some cases, criminal."

    Rep. Mike Quigley, D-Ill., agreed.

    "Immigrants are people. Not pawns to deploy in the President's petty political fights," Quigley said on Twitter. "@realDonaldTrump’s cruelty knows no limits."
    Ok I mean their response is out of proportion as usual, but still it's a greasy move. And its a stupid idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post
    Are there are lot of pure fentanyl overdoses? Or is heroin usually involved? Where does the heroin come from?
    Mostly through ports of entry.
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  42. #4392
    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    I say/You say
    Whoa!! you tried to CNN me there for a minute. Not falling for it!!

    Here's what really happened.

    You/Poop said: Walls are ineffective
    I said: Walls work.
  43. #4393
    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post
    Are there are lot of pure fentanyl overdoses? Or is heroin usually involved? Where does the heroin come from?
    Where do the needles come from they use to inject themselves? Try stopping immigration from those countries too.

    Remember the war on drugs and how they were going to get Colombia to stop trafficking cocaine to the US? How did that plan work out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post
    Whoa!! you tried to CNN me there for a minute. Not falling for it!!

    Here's what really happened.

    You/Poop said: Walls are ineffective
    I said: Walls work.
    Alright. I guess they work in some sense. They just won't stop the flow of illegal immigration, and won't stop the flow of drugs, so they don't work in the context we're discussing.
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  45. #4395
    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    Mostly through ports of entry.
    How do you know that? who is measuring how much doesn't come through ports of entry?

    You need to fix your facts. What you're trying to quote here, is the shallow and pedantic talking point that most drugs are "confiscated" at ports of entry. That's WAY different than saying "most drugs come through ports of entry".

    That's like saying most drowning rescues occur where there are lifeguards. You can still drown in every other body of water!!

    In other words...we seem to find drugs only in the places that we look, and we don't find drugs in the places we don't look.

    And any quantification that seeks to use the word "MOST" is a propagandist fucking lie.
  46. #4396
    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post
    Her response, through a spokeswoman, to this exact policy is quoted below
    Not quite the same as saying bussing people to a city is cruel, as if that's somehow punishing them. That's where context matters.
  47. #4397
    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post
    How do you know that? who is measuring how much doesn't come through ports of entry? .
    The same person who is measuring how much comes from which country?
  48. #4398
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Where do the needles come from they use to inject themselves?
    Outreach volunteers in sanctuary cities. Isn't that fucking something??? They even have lounges where you can go and hang out while you wait for the heroin to wear off. All legal.

    Remember the war on drugs and how they were going to get Colombia to stop trafficking cocaine to the US? How did that plan work out?
    I don't know. I can get weed. I can get pills. I can get heroin. I have no idea where to get coke. So there's some anecdotal evidence of success. But I'm not sure I see your point. It sounds like you're saying that protecting your own country from an inflow of drugs is more effective than trying to prevent outflows of drugs from another country. So we agree.
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    Talking about the wall feels like talking about 9/11 truthers. I think everything has been said. Here's my final point... Would you take the following bet: You get to spend an arbitrary amount to build a wall. If I can scale the wall, you have to pay me the amount of money you spent on the wall. If I can't, I have to pay. Is that something you're comfortable with? Even if you trust your gut feeling more than data you get from the DEA... even in your fantasy scenario, a wall is horrendously cost ineffective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post
    Outreach volunteers in sanctuary cities. Isn't that fucking something??? They even have lounges where you can go and hang out while you wait for the heroin to wear off. All legal.
    Stopping the aids epidemic is bad cause muh feelings!
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  51. #4401
    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    Would you take the following bet: You get to spend an arbitrary amount to build a wall. If I can scale the wall, you have to pay me the amount of money you spent on the wall. If I can't, I have to pay. Is that something you're comfortable with?
    10,000 percent yes. I'll even give you odds. What do you want, 20 to 1? 100 to 1? I honestly do not care what the number is.

    You might have missed it, but US special forces (Navy Seals) spent THREE FUCKING WEEKS trying to breach wall prototypes with conventional tools/gear (everything short of rocket launchers), and they could not get over, under, around, or through the wall. Navy fucking Seals

    Walls work.
  52. #4402
    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post
    Outreach volunteers in sanctuary cities.
    But what country are they produced in? Shouldnt something be done about it?


    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post
    I don't know. I can get weed. I can get pills. I can get heroin. I have no idea where to get coke. So there's some anecdotal evidence of success. But I'm not sure I see your point.
    Point is, people buy the cheapest drugs they can usually. Making coke more expensive by burning a few hectares of rainforest and killilng Escobar didn't stop people using drugs. And building a Wall isn't going to stop it either. And you know it.
  53. #4403
    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post
    10,000 percent yes
    Never heard of a rope and grappling hook I guess. You owe Oskar $20b
  54. #4404
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Never heard of a rope and grappling hook I guess. You owe Oskar $20b
    Do some research on this. As I just mentioned...special forces spent three weeks trying this. In that entire time, among dozens of the most highly trained human specimens on earth, only one guy was able to get a grappling hook to stick on the top. Once...in three weeks of trying.
  55. #4405
    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post

    You might have missed it, but US special forces (Navy Seals) spent THREE FUCKING WEEKS trying to breach wall prototypes with conventional tools/gear (everything short of rocket launchers), and they could not get over, under, around, or through the wall. Navy fucking Seals
    you so funny.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8237631.html
  56. #4406
    Apparently the impenetrable Wall isn't quite ready for mass production yet.

    A Customs and Border Protection report on the tests had identified "strengths and flaws of each design but does not pick an overall winner or rank them, though it does point to see-through steel barriers topped by concrete as the best overall design," the AP reported.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Oh so it wasn't special forces, it was just regular military. My bad I guess. Nice fact check bro!! HIGH FIVE!!

    But we're clear now....for three weeks "highly trained testers" did everything within reason to try and breach that wall. And they could not do so.

    I'm willing to bet $20B that Oskar can't either.
  58. #4408
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Apparently the impenetrable Wall isn't quite ready for mass production yet.
    All that quote seems to be saying is that it's really easy to build an effective wall, and no design is particularly superior.
  59. #4409
    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post
    All that quote seems to be saying is that it's really easy to build an effective wall, and no design is particularly superior.
    The quote says each design has weaknesses (i.e., none are impregnable, presumably even by people without special skills/equipment). The best design was the steel slats, but get a cutting torch and a tank of acetylene and Oskar is $20b richer.

    It doesn't say whether the "best" design is also $20k per foot either. So it doesn't really seem settled.
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    Seriously, are you mentally challenged in some wall related way? The steel slat wall they're building. You can saw through that by hand. To get over you'd use a rope with a hook. Bring a blanket if there's barbed wire. If you just want to get fentanyl through, you'd probably put that in car tires and drive through, but in case you want to prove a point, you'd just throw it.
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    “Only once did a tester manage to land a hook on top of the wall without help,” the AP reported, according to one source.
    This is a bit ambiguous. What kind of "help?" It could have just been another guy helping him throw it.
  62. #4412
    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    The steel slat wall they're building. You can saw through that by hand.
    Oh yeah I forgot about that lol.
  63. #4413
    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    even in your fantasy scenario, a wall is horrendously cost ineffective.
    You know, for a guy who thinks that congress should rule omnipotently over all three branches of government, you seem unusually willing to dispense with democracy. Funny, but for some reason I doubt the sincerity of your fiscal concerns. I think you're opinion just morphs to whatever fits the narrative of ORANGE MAN BAD

    Anyone citing cost has completely missed the point. A) It's a permanent solution, and nothing else is. and B) That's what America wants. America didn't vote for Trump because he promised fiscally responsible border policy. They voted for him because he promised to BUILD A FUCKING WALL.

    It's the American people's job to decide what their money gets spent on, and they want a fucking wall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post
    They voted for him because he promised to BUILD A FUCKING WALL.
    Is he building a wall though?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post

    Anyone citing cost has completely missed the point. A) It's a permanent solution, and nothing else is.
    it's a permanent solution only if you couple it with an international band on hacksaws.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post
    and B) That's what America wants. America didn't vote for Trump because he promised fiscally responsible border policy. They voted for him because he promised to BUILD A FUCKING WALL.
    To be clear, he also promised it would be paid for by Mexico. So there's that little detail.



    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post
    It's the American people's job to decide what their money gets spent on, and they want a fucking wall.
    Do you? Maybe you should hold a Wallerendum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    Is he building a wall though?
    No, but that's the democrat's fault ldo. Don't you remember when the Rs controlled the House and Senate for two years and he couldn't get approval for his Wall monies? That was all the Ds fault.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    but get a cutting torch and a tank of acetylene and Oskar is $20b richer.
    Right...like it's just that easy. You could chip at it with a teaspoon and eventually break through if you were persistent enough. Didn't you see Shawshank?? The idea that you could cut through and make any meaningful breach of the border quickly enough to not get caught is just preposterous.

    The wall prototypes can't be climbed over. They can't be breached quickly enough to avoid detection. they have sensors that can identify underground tunnelling. If those sensors go 20 ft deep....I guess you could dig a tunnel 30feet deep. But then you've really got a deterrent there.

    Would you take your kids for miles through an underground tunnel, 30ft down, dug discreetly by criminals?? How bad would shit have to be in guatemala before you tried that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    Is he building a wall though?
    yeah
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    I'm pretty sure he's just replacing existing fence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    it's a permanent solution only if you couple it with an international band on hacksaws..
    Read your own links man. They tried that. For three weeks. Can't get through the wall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    I'm pretty sure he's just replacing existing fence.
    With a wall!
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    This is a wall?
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    Are you going to drag a ladder all the way from Guatamela to get over a wall?
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    I'm not sure what your point is. They have to all sit on the top until the last person gets up. Then all climb down the other side. Good luck not getting spotted by a drone or motion sensor, or camera in that time.

    A family with kids couldn't get over that wall. Someone transporting a cadre of sex slave prostitutes will have a hell of a time getting over that wall. Anyone traveling alone/discreetly (like a heroin smuggler) can't get over that wall.

    Works for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post
    Right...like it's just that easy. You could chip at it with a teaspoon and eventually break through if you were persistent enough. Didn't you see Shawshank?? The idea that you could cut through and make any meaningful breach of the border quickly enough to not get caught is just preposterous.
    How thick do you think these steel beams are? A cutting torch goes through steel pretty quick. A hacksaw, maybe an hour. So is your patrol going to cover every inch of the wall every hour?

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