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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    As if any one of them got into office without lying.
    As if any human doesn't lie sometimes.

    If that's all you got, then you got nothing.
    Obviously you missed the part where his pants were on fire.

    That's the clincher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
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    Every time I think the Fake Reality Star Conman President show can't get any better, it does.

    Today, Trump told reporters that Kim told him he didn't know anything about what happened to that American student who came back in a coma, and he believed him.
    You know what, I actually do believe Kim on that one. NK does not have a history of torturing civilian foreign prisoners, and there are other plausible explanations for Wamblier's condition. What made Trumps comment hilarious was that he managed to throw everyone under the bus. He seemed to assume that there was torture involved, which there is no proof of, and KJU certainly didn't admit, and then he flips it around and says he believes KJU didn't know about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    I hope I get a chance to review the documents he submitted today.
    Well it's sketchy at best. We got this one cheque signed by someone who goes by the name of AmtstnununuA
    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/27/p...hen/index.html

    I think the most important part was AOC's questioning which opens up the possibility to subpoena Trump's tax returns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    You know what, I actually do believe Kim on that one. NK does not have a history of torturing civilian foreign prisoners, and there are other plausible explanations for Wamblier's condition. What made Trumps comment hilarious was that he managed to throw everyone under the bus. He seemed to assume that there was torture involved, which there is no proof of, and KJU certainly didn't admit, and then he flips it around and says he believes KJU didn't know about it.
    I think the evidence in that case is pretty scant - some say the guy attempted suicide; he had a heart attack (at 22?) there's no evidence he got beat up, etc.; but I'm sure there's ways to almost kill someone that can't be traced months later. So I'm keeping an open mind on what actually happened. It's pretty unusual for someone young and in seemingly good health to mysteriously go into a coma though I must say.

    As for Trump, his comments today are funny on a couple of levels:

    a) because like you said it completely contradicts Trump's previous claim that the guy was horribly tortured.

    b) because it's consistent with how Trump reacts to a dictator pleading innocent - just take him at his word and ignore everyone else.

    c) because the summit failed (shock) and, well, I guess that's funny in a different way. That elusive Nobel Peace Prize is still up for grabs I guess!
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    Well it's sketchy at best. We got this one cheque signed by someone who goes by the name of AmtstnununuA
    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/27/p...hen/index.html
    haha that is definitely Trump's scrabble. I hope that one gets into a court someday.


    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    I think the most important part was AOC's questioning which opens up the possibility to subpoena Trump's tax returns.
    yeah, 'cause they didn't have enough excuses to do that already
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    Fuck off. I would never have no hair on top yet hair on my chin. I don't trust people with upisde down heads.
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    Seriously though that host is like the world's smuggest Islam apologist. And the guy he's interviewing is also a complete wanker. That's one of the most tedious interviews I've seen that isn't satire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Why is culture such an alien concept to you?
    I know what I mean when I say culture, but what you're talking about doesn't fit what my picture of culture is, so I want to bridge that gap.

    For me, culture is a dynamic thing that varies in time and space. It's a coincidence of many, many people following unwritten social behaviors that are expected as "normal," and the many, many ways that the norm is not all that "normal" after all. I think laws come from culture and not that laws create culture, so I'm happy to leave the "written rules" off the table in any explicit sense.
    St Louis culture isn't the same as Seattle culture or Colorado farmland culture, and none of those cultures are the same as they were 100 years ago. There are similarities and differences.
    A ton of those differences would have been decried as "evil" by people living 100 years ago, and yet, here we are - considering their lack of these cultural principles as the evil.

    I want to understand your argument that change in your culture is something you put weight on as a bad thing, and to what extent you feel that way.

    Just to reiterate, I don't give a flying fuck what you end up believing. I just want to understand what that is and why. If either of us changes our mind in coming to understand each-other's Truth, then that's a cool perk, IMO.

    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Culture is language, law, arts, architecture, regional accents, cricket, tea, dickheads shaming the country at football events, terrible food, complaining about the weather... it's also a sense of respect for women, acceptance of gays, and respect for other cultures... so long as those cultures don't stand in stark contrast to our values, at least.
    Especially the end of that list is bunch of relatively recent developments. Why is it that the change to adopt those elements was good, but other changes are bad?
    Isn't it really about something else, deeper than a simple demand that your culture stay the same as it is now?

    Our cultural acceptance of interracial marriage, homosexuality, women's right to vote... those ideals you say are a part of our culture, none of that stuff has been part of our culture for very long, and there is still widespread disagreement as to whether or not allowing gay marriage is a positive move for our culture. (in America. I think you guys are a bit more chill about gay marriage in the UK, so feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken.)
    Christianity is going on 2,000 years old and these values you ascribe to Christian culture haven't even been around for 100 years, yet. (Women's suffrage is getting pretty close to its centennial, at least in America. That'll be nest year.) I don't think Christianity has everything to do with it, maybe something, but definitely not the whole story.
    Furthermore, it's Christian values that fight against women's right to abortion, it's Christian values that continue to persecute homosexuals. I don't think you have much of a leg to stand on if you're saying that increasing the rights and liberties of these things are Christian values. If anything, they've come out of our culture despite being against many Christians' values.

    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I said that? Or did you assume that? It's both. I am no fan of any religion. I tolerate Christianity more than others because that's the majority religion of British people. Also, I like churches, from an architecture pov, there's one nearby that predates Norman times (which began 1066). Christianity is a very deep part of our history and culture. I have to respect that.
    Well, I thought it was a paraphrase that captures your position, but if it's not a good way to summarize, then please correct me.

    You can respect whatever you like. If you say you "have to" from a purely subjective, "otherwise I'm lying to myself" position, then I totally get that.

    It's my understanding that the core of your opposition to allowing Mulsims to immigrate to the UK is not simply because they're religious. I.e. you're not saying, "those people don't belong here because they're religious." You're saying, "those people don't belong here because they don't want to assimilate into my culture, they want to inundate my culture with their own."

    If that's not apt, then I'm not even understanding your argument. Please clarify.

    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I don't have to respect Islam.
    *shrug* I know, man. (and I really don't care)
    So long as you're being respectful to me in the way we are sharing our perspectives with each other, then I don't care if you argue that cancer is great for people. I'll probably always think you're fucking with me on some level if you do, but I'm more interested in the thought process behind your positions than the positions themselves.

    I'm not remotely interested in changing your mind. I respect you more than that, and I know better.
    Even when I was trying to change your mind, I would never have said you "have" to do anything. I'd think you know me better than that.

    I don't doubt that some other voices in this conversation are trying to change your mind, and that can be difficult to navigate when I'm on a slightly different tack.
    I can lay off if it's getting tedious to separate the conversations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Obviously you missed the part where his pants were on fire.

    That's the clincher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Seriously though that host is like the world's smuggest Islam apologist.
    If you think the host is bad you should listen to the other guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    Well it's sketchy at best. We got this one cheque signed by someone who goes by the name of AmtstnununuA
    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/27/p...hen/index.html

    I think the most important part was AOC's questioning which opens up the possibility to subpoena Trump's tax returns.
    If you zoom and enhance, you can see the truth

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    Isn't it really about something else, deeper than a simple demand that your culture stay the same as it is now?
    I thought I addressed this. I'm not bothered about things staying the same. I want culture to get better. If Islam brought with it cultural enrichment, I wouldn't have a problem.

    Christianity is going on 2,000 years old and these values you ascribe to Christian culture haven't even been around for 100 years, yet.
    I don't ascribe recent tolerance of homosexuals to Christian values. I credit Christianity with forming the basis of our moral framework. Thankfully, in modern times we've begun to recognise Christianity is far from perfect, and have allowed our culture to evolve.

    (in America. I think you guys are a bit more chill about gay marriage in the UK, so feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken.)
    The Church here don't have nearly as much influence in state policy, compared to USA. Homophobia obviously still exists in the UK, but it's much better today than even when I was a child, I can see how much things have changed in my lifetime. Gay marriage certainly still has its opponents here, but they are in the minority.

    Furthermore, it's Christian values that fight against women's right to abortion, it's Christian values that continue to persecute homosexuals.
    Not here. I accept Christianity has some very serious flaws, I'm glad I live in a country where we have tended to abandon those flaws.

    You can respect whatever you like. If you say you "have to" from a purely subjective, "otherwise I'm lying to myself" position, then I totally get that.
    I have to recognise that Christianity plays a very important role in British history. Would I change that if I somehow could? It could be worse. We have a very long and varied history. Some of it I'm proud of, some of it ashamed of. But when I'm stood next to a 1000 year old church, imagining what life was like in my backyard back in those times, I have a tinge of respect for the role that Christianity has played through the entire existence of that church. It's been the focus of countless generations of villagers, still to this day.

    This isn't just my national history, it's my local history too. So yes, I respect Christian influence, even if I struggle to respect Christianity itself.

    "those people don't belong here because they don't want to assimilate into my culture, they want to inundate my culture with their own."
    Yes, pretty much. If that culture just happens to be compatible with ours, it's not a problem. Many immigrants have come here and enriched our culture... Chinese, Carribean, Indian, Polish... they have all faced discrimination, but I am happy we allowed these guys in. I am only against mass Islamic immigration. I feel it's the least compatible culture with ours, we could pick virtually any other source of immigration and have improved cultural benefits.
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    Hehe, Trump today described Kim as "quite a character".

    I heard that Stalin guy was quite a character too.
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    I knew it was a trap

    https://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...tic-operatives

    ^^^ you know it's fubar'd when even fox news of all places lists your fuckups

    CNN is really truly a joke
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    Fox news lists a TYT video to call out CNN? Strange bedfellows indeed
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    Woah, this is amazing and disturbing and amazing. I mean, this has to be satire, right? This is such amazing satire..
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    Quote Originally Posted by boost View Post
    Woah, this is amazing and disturbing and amazing. I mean, this has to be satire, right? This is such amazing satire..
    Jessie Lee Peterson (aka Black Ong) has his own radio show I think. He routinely brings on intelligent interlocutors from the left like this guy and David Pakman and looks like a fool. I'm pretty sure he's sincere, though it's not impossible he's a plant.
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    Hasan: Do you think homosexuality is bad?
    Black Ong: ... It's not good -
    Hasan: - It's not good. Well, what you do about it?
    Black Ong: Show them how to overcome -
    Hasan: Ok. What if they're like "we don't want to overcome. I wanna, I wanna, kiss a man"?
    Black Ong: Then let them suffer and die ...

    ^^^ a totally non-violent christian's words. Same guy saying islam is violent, yada yada

    It has to be a skill, to be like totally impervious to irony. Like have an ip-68 rating to irony
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    Poop, it's a bit of a stretch to call Hasan intelligent, but it can be forgiven since a lopsided pile of bricks looks intelligent when sat next to this Jesse Lee Peterson guy.

    Jack, don't be absurd. JLP's views are horrible on this and many other things, but he's saying they should be left to (in his view) suffer, and then die (without salvation.) There are all sorts of implicit problems with believing that people that don't share your faith are going to die and suffer for eternity, but it's not the same as violently enforcing religious norms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boost View Post
    Jack, don't be absurd. JLP's views are horrible on this and many other things, but he's saying they should be left to (in his view) suffer, and then die (without salvation.) There are all sorts of implicit problems with believing that people that don't share your faith are going to die and suffer for eternity, but it's not the same as violently enforcing religious norms.
    Boost, indeed. You just described a key tenet of fundamentalism. The next step up in that evolution ladder is extremism in order to "hasten" the situation. Take matter in own hands if you will. Old Testament. The full Breivik.

    They all start somewhere.
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    Do you think homosexuality is bad?
    Actual ong - no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boost View Post
    Poop, it's a bit of a stretch to call Hasan intelligent, but it can be forgiven since a lopsided pile of bricks looks intelligent when sat next to this Jesse Lee Peterson guy.
    What about him do you find unintelligent (apart from being on TYT)? He sounds pretty logical and articulate to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    Well it's sketchy at best. We got this one cheque signed by someone who goes by the name of AmtstnununuA
    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/27/p...hen/index.html

    I think the most important part was AOC's questioning which opens up the possibility to subpoena Trump's tax returns.
    LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL AOC ... god 2020 is going to be fun
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    What about him do you find unintelligent (apart from being on TYT)? He sounds pretty logical and articulate to me.
    I'm not going to rewatch the whole thing (although it is very entertaining), but one example was his thought experiment was a complete mess.
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    I know what you're talking about, that was a bit convoluted, but in general I think he's doing a good job... "debating" conservatives isn't really about finding common ground or looking for solutions. It's more of: shut down gish gallop, don't get gotcha'd and identify fallacies. Hassan is doing a reasonably good job of this.
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    Here's Baby Don King with a very fitting analogy:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL4h...=youtu.be&t=72
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    I know what you're talking about, that was a bit convoluted, but in general I think he's doing a good job... "debating" conservatives isn't really about finding common ground or looking for solutions. It's more of: shut down gish gallop, don't get gotcha'd and identify fallacies. Hassan is doing a reasonably good job of this.
    Ya I thought he did ok. Then again it's not exactly tap dancing in a minefield when your talking to JLP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    Here's Baby Don King with a very fitting analogy:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL4h...=youtu.be&t=72
    "Baby Don King" lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    I know what you're talking about, that was a bit convoluted, but in general I think he's doing a good job... "debating" conservatives isn't really about finding common ground or looking for solutions. It's more of: shut down gish gallop, don't get gotcha'd and identify fallacies. Hassan is doing a reasonably good job of this.
    You should get out of the bubble more. There are reasonable conservatives that do not engage in these tactics, have a difference of opinion, but truly are trying to engage in a battle of ideas, not tricks-- on the flip side, there are plenty of progressive pundits who are doing exactly what you accuse all conservatives of.

    Hassan did a reasonable job if he were blindsided by JLP's comically dumb but aggressive tactics-- but he says himself that he prepared for this to go the way it did. I mean, the fact that he knew what the score was and he decided to participate anyways seems to say a lot about his intelligence. Or at least it speaks to whether he's an honest person looking to produce and propagate good ideas or another schmuck pretending to be a hero just to generate clicks.
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    Like who? There are obviously pre-Trump conservatives who could be considered reasonable, but idk anyone who's currently siding with Trump who's not either on the Koch brother payroll or has worms in the brain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    Like who? There are obviously pre-Trump conservatives who could be considered reasonable, but idk anyone who's currently siding with Trump who's not either on the Koch brother payroll or has worms in the brain.
    LOL god libtards are peak hilarity and irony all rolled into one ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by sah_24 View Post
    LOL god libtards are peak hilarity and irony all rolled into one ...
    Soooo, you can't name one either huh?
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    "Stand your ground" or legalized racism?

    https://twitter.com/chrisclayva84/st...27604233424897
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    "Stand your ground" or legalized racism?

    https://twitter.com/chrisclayva84/st...27604233424897
    Saw that earlier today. I'm glad it's up to almost 10 million views. As if anyone who doesn't have shit for brains didn't already know... but we got another study: https://www.vox.com/2019/3/8/1825462...nce-laws-study

    Curiously, it turns out that more heroes does not = more people saved. pikatchusurprised.jpg
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    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/...194101138.html
    It's a 50 minute video, and there are lots of clips on twitter already, but it's worth watching the whole thing. Mehdi Hasan and Al Jazeera are doing such a great job that I fear they won't get anyone else to do an interview with them ever again. Why would you do this to yourself!
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    They said the aid trucks sent to venezuela were put on fire by Maduro's people

    Video evidence was found showig it was someone throwing a molotov from the rebel's side that actually put the aid trucks on fire

    Media ignores video evidence and still blames Maduro for setting trucks on fire obv

    Also this

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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/...194101138.html
    It's a 50 minute video, and there are lots of clips on twitter already, but it's worth watching the whole thing. Mehdi Hasan and Al Jazeera are doing such a great job that I fear they won't get anyone else to do an interview with them ever again. Why would you do this to yourself!
    I read somewhere that private contractors (read: mercenaries) outnumber deployed troops in conflict zones 3:1
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    I know embarrassingly little about private contractors... or even war in general. It does seem really problematic on first glance. I don't think war should be a business opportunity, and there seems to be a huge accountability problem.

    The big red flag was when they caught Erik Prince for lying in front of congress. If you run a private military, you should be running the most transparent company there is. No "maybe they got the transcripts wrong" that is extremely worrying. He seemed happy about it too.
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    The Fake Reality TV Star President Show is coming up against some stiff opposition from the Brexit - WTF? Show in the UK.

    Government just whipped its members into voting against its own deal - and lost.

    Still no idea if we'll be able to get food and medicine come April. Stay tuned!
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    Baby Don King is back! Starting around 7:00

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    Honestly, which is the bigger shitshow? Trump's presidency or Brexit?

    I'm currently leaning Brexit, but probably because I've become desensitized to news about Trump, and CGP Grey recently did 2 videos about Brexit.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/CGPGrey/videos
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    I still don't understand what brexit even means. My understanding of the EU doesn't support the idea that you would just walk in or out of it. When I first heard the term brexit I thought it was the dumbest word for anything ever, and I have not changed my mind about that.
    In terms of what is worse... if you go by dead kids count, it's Trump. If you go by normalizing racism and turning the country into an autocracy, again: Trump. By trillions in national debt gained for no reason: Trump by a mile. By coddling of dictators who run concentration camps: that's another notch for Trump! By praising genocide as a show of strength: add another check for Trump there little Billy! If you go by who's fatter and more retarded: that's a slam dunk for Trump.
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    Oh yeah, ... see ... desensitized.


    As far as Brexit goes, the 2 most recent videos in the link above are pretty smart.
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  47. #4022
    https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/...s-new-warning/
    https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/...opshire-field/

    This is my county, but it's going on all over the country. The newspapers might be afraid to say it, but people are talking. Sheep rustling has only ever been a very rare problem in this country, but it's on the rise and the nature of the attacks are a lot more brutal than in the past.

    Put your fingers in your ears if you want, but this is what happens when you pretend two radically different cultures can mix seamlessly to create a new wonderful diverse culture.

    It's a matter of time before one of these rustlers gets shot. If it turns out to be men of a certain faith, all hell will break loose. This is how it starts.
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    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-34810957 - goddamn those northerners
    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/busine...s-dna-12839701 - Andrew Paul Thomas, huh? Sounds like a dirty protestant to me!
    https://nzhistory.govt.nz/the-legend...nzie-is-caught New Zealand, more like New STEALland. You steal sheep, they'll build you a statue!
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  49. #4024
    Ya, but they probably got the idea from some Muslims. Or maybe they filled up at a Muslim petrol station on the way to the crimes. Or the sheep reminded them of Muslims with their wooly hair. Or something Muslim something. Any way you cut it, it comes down to a problem with Muslim immigration.
  50. #4025
    In real news, the Attorney General for the US just resigned after he finished reading the Muller report. It's like 'fuck this I'm outta here'.

    Edit: Oh wait, he 'just left the Justice Department', as in 'went home for a sandwich and a wank'. Sorry, misunderstood.
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    What's the difference between the two British ones you link, and the British one I link? I'll tell you, seeing as it obviously went over your head.

    The articles you link refer to live sheep being stolen.
    The one I linked refers to sheep being butchered in fields, with carcasses being abandoned.

    Another point you miss, and a very important point, is that if a farmer takes a shotgun to a white rustler, he has at most one angry family to contend with. If a farmer shoots a Muslim, he has a batshit community to deal with, and the left wing hate mob.

    Don't underestimate how big of a problem this could be.
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    In real news, the Attorney General for the US just resigned after he finished reading the Muller report. It's like 'fuck this I'm outta here'.
    You can brush it off all you like, it's alright for you. When it goes shit here, you can be on the first plane back home to your nice, massive country with plenty of forest. I'm stuck here on an island.
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    How is that even real news to anyone outside of USA anyway? Why should I care more about American politics than British, fucking Shropshire security? This is my doorstep. Guess what's in the fields surrounding my house? Yeah, sheep.
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  54. #4029
    The stupid thing is, you guys probably think I want this sort of thing to happen so I can be proven right, to justify my bigotry.

    I don't want to be right. I'd rather just be an asshole than experience a religious civil war. But when things like this are happening, I become fearful that I am right, that integration is not forthcoming and that social unrest is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    In real news, the Attorney General for the US just resigned after he finished reading the Muller report. It's like 'fuck this I'm outta here'.

    Edit: Oh wait, he 'just left the Justice Department', as in 'went home for a sandwich and a wank'. Sorry, misunderstood.
    That would have been hilarious. I hate speculating. I find the "no more indictments" part very worrying. Jared Kushner talked to russians then lied about it, and individual 1 knew about it and lied about it... you'd think that's worth an indictment if you, you know, are investigating whether or not the president and his team conspired with russians. I guess we just wait and see.
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    Ong, what even makes you think that muslims did this? Is this a muslim thing to do? This is the first time I even heard the term "sheep rustler" which strikes me as a bit of a euphemism. I thought it would be something like cow-tipping. If I think of 'rustled' I don't think: killed and gutted in a field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    That would have been hilarious. I hate speculating. I find the "no more indictments" part very worrying. Jared Kushner talked to russians then lied about it, and individual 1 knew about it and lied about it... you'd think that's worth an indictment if you, you know, are investigating whether or not the president and his team conspired with russians. I guess we just wait and see.
    My guess is they realized how bad it would look if the President and his entire family went to jail, or even just one of them. Certainly there's enough to put them all away on.

    I think the Ds have the right idea - let Trump finish his term and lose the next election; try to keep the right wing nutjobs from going postal all over the place (like they would if he was impeached).
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    At first I thought "maybe they got enough" but that's not really how prosecutors work, do they? You don't just wrap up and call it a day because you found some finger prints and a bloody rag. You'd probably want to question the guy whose fingerprints you found... especially if he said he wasn't there.
    But either way, I don't think Barr will release the report. He was hired with a very specific job description, which was to not release the report and also to gently cup the presidents balls while he's sucking him off. So I expect a subpoena (I'm surprised they didn't issue one preemptively) followed by a lengthy court battle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    Ong, what even makes you think that muslims did this? Is this a muslim thing to do? This is the first time I even heard the term "sheep rustler" which strikes me as a bit of a euphemism. I thought it would be something like cow-tipping. If I think of 'rustled' I don't think: killed and gutted in a field.
    Sheep rustling is stealing sheep, usually for the meat. And no, one doesn't normally think "kill a gut in a field", one normally thinks "steal live sheep and take them to market or slaughterhouse".

    What makes me think it's Muslims? Call it a hunch. I can't think of any use for a wire noose other than to drain the animal of blood. Also, people are talking. I can't verify alleged eyewitness accounts, but people talk.
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  60. #4035
    https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/...ropshire-farm/

    https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/...heep-in-field/

    It's only a matter of time until one of these dogs gets shot and then the next day it's civil war between dog owners and sheep herders. Ban dogs! Or sheep! Just whatever you do don't ignore this ticking time bomb!

    (also, pretty sure those dogs are Muslim. Call it a hunch. I can't verify any anecdotal evidence that someone told someone I know, but I know. People are talking).
  61. #4036
    Also, don't want to point out the obvious but both Alsatians and Akitas are foreign dog breeds.
  62. #4037
    I hear you. You're right, these savages are no better than rabid dogs.

    You clearly have not spent any time in the countryside, you have no idea how life works here. Dog owners know that if their dog attacks sheep, it will get shot. Dog owners are aware of their responsibilities. Sadly, this happens, and the reason? You can't expect a dog to not be a dog.

    There's a lesson here somewhere.
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    I know somebody who had to go and collect a dead dog from a farm. He apologised to the farmer, while holding back his tears and anger. Dog owners do their best to ensure dogs can't roam freely, but dogs like to roam, especially male dogs who get the scent of bitch pussy. Sometimes they get loose, and if they find sheep, instinct kicks in. It's on the owner to make sure the dog can't get out. If the dog is attacking sheep, it's the owner's fault. So the guy I know who had to collect his dog... he was angry with himself, not the farmer.

    I'm a little surprised you even had the nerve to compare Muslims to dogs, to be honest. It's funny because you do it in such a way to defend them, rather than insult them! Like... dogs do it, so why not let people?

    Does that mean I can shit in the street? Or is it only if I clean it up after?
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    https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/1109911057013919746

    The summary report literally says it "does not exonerate the president."

    Here's something the Trump team understands that house democrats seem to be incredibly slow on: only image matters. If Trump cannot be indicted, and impeachment will never pass senate, then he will be up for re-election, and the only court that matters is the court of public opinion. This Sunday is a slam dunk for the Trump team on public opinion. It does not matter what the report says, if a Trump appointed boot licker can decide what parts will be released to the public. Like someone on msnbc pointed out: not a single full sentence was quoted from the original document in the 4 page summary.

    In the public eye: this exonerates the president. This is all that matters. He had shockingly high approval ratings before this, and this gives him more than a fighting chance for re-election.
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    From the report:

    The Special Counsel's decision to describe the facts of his obstruction investigation without reaching any legal conclusions leaves it to the Attorney General to determine whether the conduct described in the report constitutes a crime.
    Trump literally got to pick his judge.
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  66. #4041
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I hear you. You're right, these savages are no better than rabid dogs.

    You clearly have not spent any time in the countryside, you have no idea how life works here. Dog owners know that if their dog attacks sheep, it will get shot. Dog owners are aware of their responsibilities. Sadly, this happens, and the reason? You can't expect a dog to not be a dog.

    There's a lesson here somewhere.
    The owners are twats, that's why it happens.

    Rule 1. Control your dog. If you're not skilled enough to train it, then keep it on a lead or inside.

    Rule 2. If you can't control your dog, don't have a dog.
  67. #4042
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I know somebody who had to go and collect a dead dog from a farm. He apologised to the farmer, while holding back his tears and anger. Dog owners do their best to ensure dogs can't roam freely, but dogs like to roam, especially male dogs who get the scent of bitch pussy. Sometimes they get loose, and if they find sheep, instinct kicks in. It's on the owner to make sure the dog can't get out. If the dog is attacking sheep, it's the owner's fault. So the guy I know who had to collect his dog... he was angry with himself, not the farmer.
    Like I said, he's a twat. He got his dog killed and it's his own fault.

    I occasionally run into these twat owners in the park with my dog. Their dog is aggressive, for some reason not on a lead, and either harasses my dog, chasing him and barking at him all over the place (while he's doing his best to ignore them) or in one case bit him on the cheek and wouldn't let go. I kicked that last little fucker so hard I thought I broke his ribs and I didn't feel a bit bad about it. Definitely knocked the wind out of him.

    Control your fucking dog asshole. And no, calling his name while he's being an aggressive little shit isn't controlling him, because he doesn't fucking listen to you. Put it on a fucking lead. I don't want to hear about how sorry you are and how it's 'never happened before'. I want you to control your fucking dog or better yet, don't have a dog 'cause you're too fucking stupid to know the basics of being an owner in public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/1109911057013919746

    The summary report literally says it "does not exonerate the president."

    Here's something the Trump team understands that house democrats seem to be incredibly slow on: only image matters. If Trump cannot be indicted, and impeachment will never pass senate, then he will be up for re-election, and the only court that matters is the court of public opinion. This Sunday is a slam dunk for the Trump team on public opinion. It does not matter what the report says, if a Trump appointed boot licker can decide what parts will be released to the public. Like someone on msnbc pointed out: not a single full sentence was quoted from the original document in the 4 page summary.

    In the public eye: this exonerates the president. This is all that matters. He had shockingly high approval ratings before this, and this gives him more than a fighting chance for re-election.

    Trump's going to claim a victory in the witch hunt that sent half his campaign team to prison. That's obvious.

    But, congress is going to investigate him on all kinds of other shit and he's still going to lose in 2020. I think.

    By this point, I think everyone's pretty much made up their mind about Trump. And he's too much of a fuckwit to win again UNLESS the D's put up some horrible candidate (which wouldn't surprise me).

    I'd fucking laugh if he won again though, i really would. I'd just be like 'Ok America you saw what he's like and you still re-elected him. I guess you deserve him.'
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    I don't think it's weird for dogs to run around unsupervised in the country. Once you get to a certain population density you're starting to become more of a twat for not keeping track of your dog, but I think the bar should be pretty damn high for putting a dog down.
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  70. #4045
    Where I'm from if a dog harrasses livestock the farmer shoots him, pretty much as a given. Also where I'm from if a dog attacks another dog in a park, the owner can kick or hit him to get him off. I assume it's the same here. Not sure about other places.
  71. #4046
    Poop continues to demonstrate how little of an idea he has about how the countryside works.

    Rule 1. Control your dog. If you're not skilled enough to train it, then keep it on a lead or inside.
    Let's just get one thing clear. We're not talking about lapdogs. A shih tzu is not going to attack a sheep. We're talking about rottweilers and dobermans... big, fuck off guard dogs. These kind of dogs don't simply go inside, they live in the yard because their job is to guard. They should be kept in a yard that is secure, and 99% of the time that is the case. Sometimes the owner is indeed a twat and does not secure the yard properly, other times the owner is not a twat and simply underestimates the strength and will of the dog.

    I've looked after a guard dog for six months, a rottweiler. The property was not secure, it was actually impossible to secure because there was a stream going through the land, which means the dog had a way off the land that you couldn't secure with a simple fence. So I had no choice but to have him on a chain when he was unsupervised. I didn't like it, but I knew it was necessary because he'd get shot by a farmer if left to roam. But the fuck is a big strong rottie. If he tried hard enough, he could break the chain. On a few occasions, he got free, and I had to go and look for him, dreading the sound of gunfire. Luckily, each time he was in the field by the river causing no problems. But the guy whose dog I know that did get shot... it was the same guy's dog that I was looking after, and this very dog was present when the other one got shot. Maybe he learned that he can't attack sheep. Maybe.

    Rule 2. If you can't control your dog, don't have a dog.
    Dogs are the premium method of deterring burglars in the countryside. Without a guard dog, you are making yourself vulnerable.

    Quote Originally Posted by oskar
    I don't think it's weird for dogs to run around unsupervised in the country.
    oskar obviously has spent time in the country. I see unsupervised dogs all the time... they're nearly always sheepdogs, like collies. They are smart, and they harass sheep but don't attack them. A farmer is not as likely to shoot a collie as he is a rottie.

    It's really not as simple as "keep your dog under control". This isn't the town where you have a nice rectangular garden with nice new fences, where you have secure parks to let them run and do their thing. It's the country, where properties have streams, where they're not flat, where there's woods, where hedges might not be as secure as the owner thought.

    Controlling guard dogs is not easy. That said, most succeed in doing so most of the time. But occasionally, inevitably, dogs get free, and when they do, there's a serious risk of them upsetting a farmer. This is nothing new, it's been like this for centuries.

    And might I remind you, we're talking about this because PEOPLE are attacking sheep. I have no idea how you figured it was an appropriate analogy, like the subject of dogs attacking sheep is relevant to the discussion. You seem to be arguing that dogs attack sheep, so let's talk about that instead of more difficult subjects such as immigrants taking animals from fields, and the potential problems that can cause. Do you really think that the owner is in the same kind of world as a rustler with wire nooses?

    If a dog gets shot, the owner doesn't round up his community and turn up at the farmer's with pitchforks. What do you think happens when a person gets shot? Do you think the family takes responsibility like the dog owner? Do you think they fight back the tears and apologise to the farmer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Poop continues to demonstrate how little of an idea he has about how the countryside works.
    Lol, yeah between not knowing about the Muslim sheep mutilation ring you and your friends dreamed up and how dumb some dog owners are, I'm a shambles.



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Let's just get one thing clear. We're not talking about lapdogs. A shih tzu is not going to attack a sheep.
    No fucking way.



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    We're talking about rottweilers and dobermans... big, fuck off guard dogs. These kind of dogs don't simply go inside, they live in the yard because their job is to guard. They should be kept in a yard that is secure, and 99% of the time that is the case. Sometimes the owner is indeed a twat and does not secure the yard properly, other times the owner is not a twat and simply underestimates the strength and will of the dog.
    In both cases the owner is a twat. If you don't understand how strong your dog is you're a shit owner.



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    But the fuck is a big strong rottie. If he tried hard enough, he could break the chain. On a few occasions, he got free,
    In other words, you didn't understand how strong the dog was and that he could break the chain if he wanted to. Dumb.

    Then, when you realized he could break the chain, you didn't get a stronger chain? Even dumber.

    This is what I mean when I say owners are twats.






    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Dogs are the premium method of deterring burglars in the countryside. Without a guard dog, you are making yourself vulnerable.
    Fences and chains are the premium method of keeping your guard dog on your property. Without an adequate fence or chain, you are making your dog vulnerable (and thus you are a twat).




    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    oskar obviously has spent time in the country. I see unsupervised dogs all the time... they're nearly always sheepdogs, like collies. They are smart, and they harass sheep but don't attack them. A farmer is not as likely to shoot a collie as he is a rottie.
    These owners are still twats but not as much as the ones who own breeds that actually kill the sheep.

    I have a labrador who is off the lead in the country and takes no interest in livestock whatsoever. He also doesn't fuck off on his own out of my sight because I've trained him properly. If I hadn't, i wouldn't let him off the lead. Simple.



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    It's really not as simple as "keep your dog under control".
    It actually is. Or, it's a choice between keeping it under control and risking getting it shot.
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    I can't even be bothered to reply to that. You're obviously trolling, trying to bait me into a shitfest about stupid shit.

    I don't give a fuck about dog owners, twats or not. They aren't a threat to national security.
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    Treat criminals like criminals and everyone else like a non-criminal and you'll be fine, IMO.

    And Ongie... stop "rustling" those sheep. You're not even doing it right.
    No one's going to believe that "Muslims" (BTW, as Kosher as Kosher, they just call it halal) been going out and "rustling" sheep.
    Don't even make no sense.
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    No one's going to believe that "Muslims" (BTW, as Kosher as Kosher, they just call it halal) been going out and "rustling" sheep.
    I'm well aware of what Halal is. Why do you suppose these rustlers found a use for a wire noose? I'm just speculating here, but hanging the sheep to drain it of blood would be my best guess. That takes time, which increases the risk of getting caught. You'd need to have a very good reason to fuck about doing that in the field. Halal is certainly a good reason. Can you think of another?

    And why isn't anyone going to believe it? Someone is doing it, there is financial motive. People are talking. Now maybe the Shropshire farming community are all a bunch of Islamophobes, or maybe someone has seen something that we're not reading about in the newspapers, and word gets around. Further, this isn't traditional sheep rustling. The nature of these incidents is a new problem. Also, Halal.

    Treat criminals like criminals and everyone else like a non-criminal and you'll be fine, IMO.
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