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  1. #9151
    Been a bit too busy watching the UK self-immolate to pay attention to the Jan. 6 hearings, but what glimpses I do get seem pretty wild.

    Trump tryng to choke a Secret Service agent, and to grab the steering wheel to take them up to the Capitol so he could lead the insurrection, seem to be the highlights so far. Ironically, the Secret Service agent had to defend himself from the man he was sworn to protect.

    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  2. #9152
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    OMG, what did I miss?
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  3. #9153
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
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    I mean... I knew it was fucked up, but dayum.

    Admittedly, she was testifying 2nd hand information in a lot of the juicy bits. She heard from someone who was there that described the thing that happened. She overheard a comment in the hallway or from the next room.

    Her language was often, "He said something to the effect of..." indicating it's not a verbatim memory, but also when answering the same question in different settings, her answers vary around what follows that preface in a way that does seem consistently non-wolfy, if I may use such language. She seems to be making an honest recollection each time, and not sticking to one exact, manicured version of her story, I mean. Which tends to make me want to believe her.

    But this can't be the end of the stories she told. They'll have to call people closer to these events to get their testimony.
    There's a method to the process of starting with low-level clerks and people on the fringes of the people in power. The lower level clerks have nothing to lose, weren't as entrenched in their loyalties to a specific person, were perhaps still a bit naive in the pureness of governance.

    Get those people with little to lose to testify first and implicate people closer to the center of it all, then slowly wedge your way through the layers and let each one pile blame on the next.
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  5. #9155
    Apparently there was some secret service agent who was in the car who is prepared to testify under oath that she's fos, but if there is, they don't seem to be in any hurry to do so.

    I mean I can believe he did something like that, or that he didn't. It's not like my opinion of him is going to change much either way. Still, it's good theater. If there was a mini-series made about of his presidency I'd definitely watch it.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
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    I'm just amazed being afflicted by the 2nd hand fb smoke from a friend of an expat friend who's a staunch trumpie, commenting on all of this on FB. What about Hunter and Burisma, they're all RINOs, why aren't they broadcasting the "other viewpoints", we're all sheeple buying into the democrat brainwashing, "I haven't watched any of it".

    The brain's one helluva drug. You've decided to believe one way, the brain's gonna do some pretty impressive gymnastics to protect you from having to challenge those ideas.
    Our brains have just one scale, and we resize our experiences to fit.

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    Btw ong get over his butthurt from being called a racist yet?
    Our brains have just one scale, and we resize our experiences to fit.

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    Who called me a racist?

    I had a private chat with mojo, I pointed out there's a difference between butthurt and bored. I got bored of the conversation so withdrew. That's really all there is to it. It ceased to be a stimulating discussion for me.
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    Yeah ok.
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  10. #9160
    Damn, Ong is turning into a real libtard. First he went all woke on me for using the word 'gammon,', now he's being a snowflake 'cause someone called him a racist.

    Soon he'll be screaming to rejoin the EU.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  11. #9161
    Define "butthurt" for me guys, because it seems to me that by your idea of what it means, you're both butthurt that I'm not butthurt.
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  12. #9162
    I mean, this is the quality of conversation here and you're wondering why I fuck off for a week or two.
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  13. #9163
    Sorry, Mr. Wokey McSnowflake, we'll try not to hurt your feelings from now on.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Damn, Ong is turning into a real libtard. First he went all woke on me for using the word 'gammon,', now he's being a snowflake 'cause someone called him a racist.

    Soon he'll be screaming to rejoin the EU.
    You probably think this is funny, but it lacks humor.
    You're being a jerk.


    Whether or not ong is offended by it, I don't allow direct insults and negativity.
    If there's purpose to a greater discussion, if there's passionate debate of ideas and something crosses a line, I can be more forgiving and understanding.

    Just firing negativity out of the blue is not allowed, here. You know better.
    Don't be a jerk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Sorry, Mr. Wokey McSnowflake, we'll try not to hurt your feelings from now on.
    And no, being sarcastically hypocritical isn't any better.
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  16. #9166
    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    And no, being sarcastically hypocritical isn't any better.
    He's a big boy, he can handle a little ribbing.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  17. #9167
    Sure I can, I'm not complaining about you being a jerk. It's funny though how you kinda morally judge people for disagreeing with you, but while you and cocco are all "lol butthurt", mojo sent a private message to check if I'm ok. He's the nice guy here. Not me, not poop, not cocco. So next time you feel like taking moral high ground, think about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    He's a big boy, he can handle a little ribbing.
    Stop.
    You, too, are a big boy, and you know how to disagree respectfully.


    This is the sentence you should be paying attention to.

    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Whether or not ong is offended by it, I don't allow direct insults and negativity.
    Never go full banana.

    You know what my stance is. You know where the line is.
    You know you've crossed it.


    I'm talking to you out of respect for your long history of being able to see reason when push comes to shove.

    If some new poster showed up posting what you've just posted, it would be an insta-ban.
    Take that to heart.

    I am respectful of you as a person, and the history you have, here.
    Please offer the rest of us the same.
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  19. #9169
    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Stop.
    No, you stop.

    You're completely overreacting to a little gentle teasing between two people who've been on here for years like it's some kind of savage, deep personal insult.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  20. #9170
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    but while you and cocco are all "lol butthurt", mojo sent a private message to check if I'm ok. He's the nice guy here. Not me, not poop, not cocco.
    You're absolutely right. It would never occur to me to send someone a private message to see if they're ok because one of their friends called them "butthurt" and another one called them "Wokey McSnowflake."



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    So next time you feel like taking moral high ground, think about that.
    Right, because assuming that you're capable of handling a little teasing from your mates means I'm disqualified from taking a moral position on anything.

    The irony is if I actually thought someone was a snowflake who would be upset by being called one I would never do it. So next time you feel like lecturing me on being a nice person, think about that.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  21. #9171
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    you kinda morally judge people for disagreeing with you,
    Tbh, that sounds more like you.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  22. #9172
    Quote Originally Posted by poop
    You're absolutely right. It would never occur to me to send someone a private message to see if they're ok because one of their friends called them "butthurt" and another one called them "Wokey McSnowflake."
    Well, it was because I hadn't posted in a long time, it was before cocco started this thrilling conversation. And it was more because my conversation with mojo was getting a bit heated and he was concerned he had offended me, not because he thought I was butthurt about anything you or cocco said. But bravo on thinking the world revolves around you.

    Right, because assuming that you're capable of handling a little teasing from your mates means I'm disqualified from taking a moral position on anything.
    I was simply pointing out that you lack something that mojo has. I think that is empathy. And this isn't judgement either. I lack genuine empathy. I don't give a fuck about the feelings of other people, but I respect it when people take my feelings into consideration. I recognise that they are morally superior beings to myself.

    You're not. You're my moral equal. You're not an asshole, but you're not a nice guy either. You're just a guy, just like me, only we have different opinions.
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  23. #9173
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    it was more because my conversation with mojo was getting a bit heated
    I hadn't been paying attention to that. Sorry. Afaict he was asking you if you were ok because we were teasing you.



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I was simply pointing out that you lack something that mojo has. I think that is empathy.
    I asked someone if they were ok just a few days ago. I take good care of my students too. It's not that I don't have empathy, it's that I expect a grown man to be able to handle some teasing, as I said. I didn't realise the two of you were arguing and that's what made him PM you.



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I lack genuine empathy. I don't give a fuck about the feelings of other people,
    I think you are selling yourself short here. I think you tend to back off when someone is getting genuinely butthurt. You're not a complete dick




    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    You're my moral equal. You're not an asshole, but you're not a nice guy either.
    Gee, thanks.
    Last edited by Poopadoop; 07-02-2022 at 04:11 PM.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  24. #9174
    Quote Originally Posted by poop
    I think you are selling yourself short here. I think you tend to back off when someone is getting genuinely butthurt. You're not a complete dick.
    Yeah but it's not because I care about other peoples' feelings, rather it's because I care about not wanting to be an arsehole. And I do care more about the feelings of people I like than people who I don't like or don't know. So I guess there's that. But for the most part, I have thick skin and expect everyone else to too.

    I asked someone if they were ok just a few days ago.
    I mean there's more to empathy than this. Mojo and I were having a debate and it got a bit heated, he was saying things like "dude I'm your bro" and whatnot, implying he was at least somewhat offended by my tone. But that didn't stop him checking in on me and even apologising if I was offended. And here's where I'm not the person he is... I didn't apologise, largely because I didn't think there was any need, but that shows that I'm not thinking about his feelings quite as much as he is about mine. I only see it from my pov. This is why I think he's a better person than I am, why I lack the empathy he has.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    No, you stop.
    This statement is like a pizza cutter
    All edge and no point

    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    You're completely overreacting to a little gentle teasing between two people who've been on here for years like it's some kind of savage, deep personal insult.
    I'm not under any impression that ong feels insulted. Nor am I insulted. Nor do I think anyone who may be reading this and not participating would think you actually insulted anyone.

    I apologize that I misstated myself and spoke in a way that gave you that impression.

    I apologize for giving the impression that I was not respecting you as a person and individual.
    That was not my intent.

    Please forgive me.

    ***
    I'm asking you kindly to respect the tone we've established on FTR.
    Consider it a favor, if you like.

    As far as I'm concerned there only needs to be 1 rule:
    Treat everyone with respect and try not to be a dick.
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  26. #9176
    Quote Originally Posted by mojo
    As far as I'm concerned there only needs to be 1 rule:
    Treat everyone with respect and try not to be a dick.
    I'd say this is two rules, but in pointing this out I feel like I might be breaking the second rule.
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    Me when I come visit you next year.

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    You-- yes, you-- you're a cunt.
  29. #9179
    Quality contribution there boost. Popcorn gif a week late. 9/10 would watch again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Quality contribution there boost. Popcorn gif a week late. 9/10 would watch again.
    You act like a week is off pace for this strange life support dependent corner of the internet
    You-- yes, you-- you're a cunt.
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    Valid point.
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  32. #9182
    Anyone surprised that Trump buried his ex-wife at one of his golf courses in a pauper's grave to gain some tax loophole?

    Me neither.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
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    I saw that. I assumed there was a sane explanation for it. If they really did it to legally make that land tax exempt, that would be incredible. That is movie villain levels of cunning.
    There's no way though, right? If you could just bury your ex wife on your lot, making it legally a cemetery, in order to gain tax exempt status on that property, then everyone would do it.
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  34. #9184
    Holy shit was that the voice of reason from Oskar?
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  35. #9185
    Not a legal expert, but I assume a couple of things are true:

    1) It has to be a business land, not your backyard for the tax status trick to work. I don't think you can just bury grandma in your backyard and claim your house is now a cemetary and you get a tax break. You can bury her there if you want, but if you're hoping for an economic reward from it, it's not coming.

    2) Most people who own a business don't do this on their business' land because most people would find it disrespectful to the person they're burying there. Trump is not most people.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  36. #9186
    I'm sorry but if I were to die, and having me buried in a parking lot provided financial benefit to the family I've left behind, I wouldn't feel disrespected. I'd feel nothing because I'm dead, but if I was watching from heaven I'd be pleased.
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  37. #9187
    I wonder what her family thinks of it.

    I wouldn't care either if it was me. But I'd be surprised if anyone had asked her where she wanted to be buried and she said "wherever makes my ex-husband the most money."


    Tbf though, what he did was probably more tasteful than this Tory MP doing a photo op with a brain-dead boy in a coma. The grinning is the cherry on the cake.

    Last edited by Poopadoop; Today at 04:06 PM.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  38. #9188
    As distasteful as that is, presumably the other lady is a relative? They're both grinning like it's a completely normal photo op.
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