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    The Same Democrats Who Denounce Donald Trump as a Lawless, Treasonous Authoritarian Just Voted to Give Him Vast Warrantless Spying Powers

    https://theintercept.com/2018/01/12/...spying-powers/

    LEADING CONGRESSIONAL DEMOCRATS have spent the last year relentlessly accusing Donald Trump of being controlled by or treasonously loyal to a hostile foreign power. Over the last several months, they have added to those disloyalty charges a new set of alleged crimes: abusing the powers of the executive branch — including the Justice Department and FBI — to vindictively punish political opponents while corruptly protecting the serious crimes of his allies, including his own family members and possibly himself.
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    Hawaii got a missile warning false alarm today. I wish Trump would take these threats more seriously.
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    Trump admitted to sexual assault on tape.

    Bernie Sanders wants to support veterans.

    How can the American people not see the difference?
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    So some naive bimbo acts like a star-struck whore.

    Then she gets treated like a star-struck whore.

    Then she feels bad about it.

    And now Aziz's career is in the shithole.

    I'm still pissed about the Louis CK thing too. Those bitches said "YES"!!

    I'll be the first to say it.....MeToo thing is going way way way too far.

    I remember after 9/11 you couldn't talk to anyone without them saying "My mom's, neighbor's, avon lady's, son's, football coach's, cousin was 41 blocks from the North Tower just 10 hours before it happened!!!"

    Everybody has to get in on the action.

    There seems to be some new standard of womanhood where you're not empowered until you take down a man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    I'll be the first to say it.....MeToo thing is going way way way too far.

    There seems to be some new standard of womanhood where you're not empowered until you take down a man.
    Seems typical of what a straight, white male would say.
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    Seems typical of what a straight, white male would say.
    Yeah, in defense of an Indian muslim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    So some naive bimbo acts like a star-struck whore.

    Then she gets treated like a star-struck whore.

    Then she feels bad about it.

    And now Aziz's career is in the shithole.

    I'm still pissed about the Louis CK thing too. Those bitches said "YES"!!

    I'll be the first to say it.....MeToo thing is going way way way too far.

    I remember after 9/11 you couldn't talk to anyone without them saying "My mom's, neighbor's, avon lady's, son's, football coach's, cousin was 41 blocks from the North Tower just 10 hours before it happened!!!"

    Everybody has to get in on the action.

    There seems to be some new standard of womanhood where you're not empowered until you take down a man.
    A young woman, who is given the identity-protecting name “Grace” in the story, was excited to encounter Ansari at a party in Los Angeles bla bla bla
    That is fucked up
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    I'm just not getting where the outrage is coming from with some of these women.

    If you put out on the first date, don't be surprised if he doesn't respect you!

    Conduct yourself with some dignity, and maybe you won't feel so fucking ashamed all the time. Stop trying to dump your dysfunction on the closest penis.

    Based on what I've read, Aziz's date was just uncomfortable with how fast the physical encounter progressed. All she had to do was say "stop". What happened to the days of "no means no"?

    Instead we've regressed to a point where a woman is simply NOT able to deny a horny man. She's too weak, and scared, and powerless. Apparently too tired from fighting so much for equal treatment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    I'm just not getting where the outrage is coming from with some of these women.

    If you put out on the first date, don't be surprised if he doesn't respect you!

    Conduct yourself with some dignity, and maybe you won't feel so fucking ashamed all the time. Stop trying to dump your dysfunction on the closest penis.

    Based on what I've read, Aziz's date was just uncomfortable with how fast the physical encounter progressed. All she had to do was say "stop". What happened to the days of "no means no"?

    Instead we've regressed to a point where a woman is simply NOT able to deny a horny man. She's too weak, and scared, and powerless. Apparently too tired from fighting so much for equal treatment.
    You don't understand the power imbalance or why "no means no" is inherently sexist and enables rape culture. This is why "yes means yes" and affirmative and informed consent is so important.

    He could have ruined her. She couldn't consent under these conditions because it's coercion even if she did say yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    You don't understand the power imbalance
    You're trolling right?

    or why "no means no" is inherently sexist and enables rape culture.
    You're gonna have to do some bigtime logical somersaults to explain to me how a woman exercising control over what happens to her body is "inherently sexist".

    This is why "yes means yes" and affirmative and informed consent is so important.
    When you go back to a man's apartment, you've said "yes". You can say "no" any time after that. Like when he says "i'm gonna go get a condom". That would be a perfect time to speak up for yourself.

    And truly if you're telling me that once she goes back to his place, she's stuck and can't possibly say no.....THEN DON'T GO BACK TO HIS FUCKING APARTMENT UNLESS YOU'RE GOOD TO GO!

    He could have ruined her. She couldn't consent under these conditions because it's coercion even if she did say yes
    No no no. I'm flat out refusing to buy into this line that says you can't ever say no to a man because any man has the power to ruin you. That's fucking bullshit. You don't get to imagine the worst case scenario, contain it entirely inside your own head, and then claim it was used as leverage to coerce you.

    Using that logic, I should be able to run from the cops because they might plant evidence on me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    You're trolling right?
    Yes, I'm staying with the CUCKposting theme of the thread, so I'm staying in CUCKposting character based on the types of things that these people actually believe. Moreover, I'm almost universally saying things that I've seen these types say repeatedly.

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    You're gonna have to do some bigtime logical somersaults to explain to me how a woman exercising control over what happens to her body is "inherently sexist".
    The point is that she can't exercise control over her body when she is coerced into sex, but you can't understand that because you benefit from the power structures of the patriarchy.

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    When you go back to a man's apartment, you've said "yes". You can say "no" any time after that. Like when he says "i'm gonna go get a condom". That would be a perfect time to speak up for yourself.

    And truly if you're telling me that once she goes back to his place, she's stuck and can't possibly say no.....THEN DON'T GO BACK TO HIS FUCKING APARTMENT UNLESS YOU'RE GOOD TO GO!
    Going back to a man's apartment does not give him the right to rape you.

    If you're at a man's apartment, and he says he's going to get a condom, you can't say no because you don't know if he's going to beat the shit out of you and not let you leave. He should respond to all of the cues that show I'm not interested.

    {Commentary: The pairing of these two statements is hilarious to me.}

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    No no no. I'm flat out refusing to buy into this line that says you can't ever say no to a man because any man has the power to ruin you. That's fucking bullshit. You don't get to imagine the worst case scenario, contain it entirely inside your own head, and then claim it was used as leverage to coerce you.
    This is typical of straight, white, cisgender males who have never went a day in their lives without being in power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    The point is that she can't exercise control over her body when she is coerced into sex, but you can't understand that because you benefit from the power structures of the patriarchy.
    Coerced? By willingly drinking and going back to a man's apartment?

    Going back to a man's apartment does not give him the right to rape you
    Agreed. But it's not rape if you say yes.

    If you're at a man's apartment, and he says he's going to get a condom, you can't say no because you don't know if he's going to beat the shit out of you and not let you leave.
    WHAAAAAAATTTT??? So we're just assuming that every man is a violent abuser until he proves otherwise? That's fucking bullshit.

    But also, if that's really the standard you're going with...then you should be choosier about who's apartment you go back to after a date. I mean, if it's your assumption that a man will beat you if you say no, then why would you ever put yourself in that position if it's your intention to say no?

    He should respond to all of the cues that show I'm not interested.
    Which cues were those? Was it when she took her panties off, sat on his kitchen counter and spread her legs so he could fit his face in there?

    This is typical of straight, white, cisgender males who have never went a day in their lives without being in power
    If anything you're saying is true....I should be getting laid way more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    This is why "yes means yes" and affirmative and informed consent is so important.
    By the way, this isn't actually a thing, since by law, consent can be revoked at any time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    By the way, this isn't actually a thing, since by law, consent can be revoked at any time.
    Not trolling anymore on this topic, but they're actually making a lot of progress towards getting consent laws changed to reflect the type of ridiculous bullshit I was talking about here. It's the current law in California and Michigan, actually. See below:


    California Enacts 'Yes Means Yes' Law, Defining Sexual Consent

    From: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...sexual-consent

    Gov. Jerry Brown has signed a bill into law that makes California the first in the nation to have a clear definition of when people agree to sex. The law goes further than the common "no means no" standard, which has been blamed for bringing ambiguity into investigations of sexual assault cases.

    The new law seeks both to improve how universities handle rape and sexual assault accusations and to clarify the standards, requiring an "affirmative consent" and stating that consent can't be given if someone is asleep or incapacitated by drugs or alcohol.

    "Lack of protest or resistance does not mean consent," the law states, "nor does silence mean consent. Affirmative consent must be ongoing throughout a sexual activity and can be revoked at any time."
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    Not trolling anymore on this topic......
    Bullshit. You just quoted a California law as an example of "progress"

    GTFO cuck-troll


    Progress would be allowing those accused of rape on campus to have lawyers, or face their accusers, as they should when accused of a criminal charge. Instead this law just creates an insane standard of proof by which the accused must defend himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Bullshit. You just quoted a California law as an example of "progress"

    GTFO cuck-troll
    By progress I mean completely fucking up everything beyond all semblance of common sense or decency or functionality.
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    I'm wondering when some of these accused men are going to start blaming their math teachers for abusing them at a young age.

    I literally see a headline about a female teacher fucking a male student every single week. Where's the social media movement to stop that stuff from happening?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    I'm wondering when some of these accused men are going to start blaming their math teachers for abusing them at a young age.

    I literally see a headline about a female teacher fucking a male student every single week. Where's the social media movement to stop that stuff from happening?
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    The vast majority of sex offenders are men. It doesn't make sense to waste resources on the tiny percentage that are women. That's like saying white lives matter.



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    I've talked about this before with some other FTRers, so I figure I'll bring it up since it's relevant, but I was [by legal definition] raped by a female teacher when I was in school. I was in my late teens, and she was in her mid-20s. In my state, it would not have been [by legal definition] rape if she wasn't my teacher, so I'll let you go ahead and scratch your head about that. I kept seeing her for a couple of years after I finished high school.

    The year after I graduated, a male teacher from the same school was charged and eventually sentenced for fucking a student with around the same ages involved. He did prison time and was put on the sex offender list. He started dating the student (who had graduated by then and was in college) when he got out, and they were engaged the last I heard.
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    http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...criticism.html

    So someone finally takes a stand against the witch-hunt and attention-grabbing victim mentality and she gets shamed into the ground for it.

    Fuck 2018
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...criticism.html

    So someone finally takes a stand against the witch-hunt and attention-grabbing victim mentality and she gets shamed into the ground for it.

    Fuck 2018
    It's not one sided though, if anyone stands up against a big enough group the internet and the information you choose to put on it has enough to destroy you. It's really easy to ruin someones livelihood when you've got a big enough crowd. It's as simple as disrupting your place of work so much they get rid of you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    It's not one sided though, if anyone stands up against a big enough group the internet and the information you choose to put on it has enough to destroy you. It's really easy to ruin someones livelihood when you've got a big enough crowd. It's as simple as disrupting your place of work so much they get rid of you.
    There's a good book about this called SJWs Always Lie. The basic premise of the book is about how to protect yourself from those types of situations with both short-term and long-term solutions.
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    http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...stigating.html

    Everyone had better just get on board with this #metoo movement, because if you don't, any girl you ever tried to kiss might retro-actively file rape charges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...stigating.html

    Everyone had better just get on board with this #metoo movement, because if you don't, any girl you ever tried to kiss might retro-actively file rape charges.
    I have what have been called some pretty extreme views on how I think men should handle false rape reports and threats from women of making a false rape report.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    I have what have been called some pretty extreme views on how I think men should handle false rape reports and threats from women of making a false rape report.
    misogynist pig. When it comes to rape, it's guilty until proven innocent.

    Except you can't be proven innocent
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    When it comes to rape, it's guilty until proven innocent.

    Except you can't be proven innocent
    Literally everyone who has ever been accused of rape or sexual assault has been found guilty. This is totally an accurate representation of what is happening, not in my imagination, but in the real world. No need to look at the numbers. It's true. Don't believe me? Here's an article about this one case where police are holding an investigation.
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    Lawrence Lessig is the Harvard professor who was the source of like ten dozen different headlines between election day and the electoral college headcount that kept giving liberals optimism that Trump wouldn't win the electoral college. Like every day in /r/Politics it was like 5 different headlines being like, "Harvard Professor Says At Least Five Electors Will Defect," and you'd click on it, and it'd be that one guy being used as the source every-single-time, lol.
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    Thoughts?
    I'm probably gonna be called bigoted, intolerant, or something-phobic, but I'm just not buying into any of this trans stuff.

    If you're a man, and you want to live an entirely feminine lifestyle.....fine. But don't tell me you're a woman.

    You're born one of two ways. You can have all the plastic surgery and play all the dress up games you want....you're not convincing me.
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    If you're a man, and you want to live an entirely feminine lifestyle.....fine. But don't tell me you're a woman.
    If a dude can legally be recognised as a woman and use the bitch's bogs, why can't I legally be recognised as a 70-y/o and claim my state pension?
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    I still call him Bruce Jenner.
    He should become a professional wrestler with a conductor gimmick. His name would be Trains Jenner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    I've decided that I'm gender non-conforming. I'm not trolling, and I'm 100 percent serious.
    Hey man, or lady, or thing, or whatever you wanna be called. That's cool. If you want to embrace behavior that eschews gender stereotypes, go ahead. Be happy. Be free. See if I care.

    But at the end of the day....you do have a gender. A single, unchangeable, biological, gender encoded into your chromosomes and you can't change that no matter how flaming you act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    What pronoun do you demand we refer to you as?
    He/his/him. I also have a, like, big penis, and I'm a very stable, masculine, genius.

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Hey man, or lady, or thing, or whatever you wanna be called. That's cool. If you want to embrace behavior that eschews gender stereotypes, go ahead. Be happy. Be free. See if I care.

    But at the end of the day....you do have a gender. A single, unchangeable, biological, gender encoded into your chromosomes and you can't change that no matter how flaming you act.
    The typical response to this type of thing is: Gender is not biological; sex is.

    However, check this shit out because it's fascinating. This is the definition of gender non-conforming.:

    denoting or relating to a person whose behavior or appearance does not conform to prevailing cultural and social expectations about what is appropriate to their gender.
    Since the prevailing cultural and social expectation appropriate to my gender is that you're supposed to act like a cucked pussy, that makes me gender non-conforming.

    I'm officially LGBTQ+ in two ways now. I could probably get a scholarship based on it at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    The typical response to this type of thing is: Gender is not biological; sex is.
    Bullshit propaganda by the absolute WORST organization in the universe....The American Psychological Association.
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    Bullshit propaganda by the absolute WORST organization in the universe....The American Psychological Association.
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    There's no way they're worse than PETA.
    They are.

    Once up on a time 4,000 kids were diagnosed with ADD in the US each year.

    Then Ritalin was invented, and now 400,000 kids are diagnosed each year.

    You can't tell me that dumping paint on fur coats even compares to the profit-motivated exploitation of children.

    And it's not just kids.

    Once upon a time, if you ate alot of food at once, you were a gluttonous fat-ass.

    Then they invented a drug that suppresses appetite.

    Now, binge-eating is an actual clinical diagnosis.

    Once upon a time, if your kid was just a pain in the ass, they would test him for Aspergers and charge the balls out of your insurance.

    Then the DSM V came out and now...Aspergers is no longer a disease. Can you believe that? It's gone from the diagnostic manual. For years they have been testing and treating and drugging kids, and when they didn't make enough money from it, they dropped it from their repetoire.

    Now there is a "spectrum". Meaning there are dozens of tests they can give your kid, and charge the balls out of your insurance. And while we're at it, let's start trying out various cocktails of medication to see which one zombifies your kid best.

    Don't even get me started on this shit....
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    Haven't they changed LGBTQ+ to something that doesn't imply two genders?

    This is an acronym of sexual orientations, and the "B" stands for bisexual.

    Bi.

    Two.

    Someone needs to go to fucking prison for this outrage.
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    Nevermind that if you add up all the people with XX and XY chromosomes, you get less than 100% of humans.

    Insisting there are exactly 2 sexes is as ridiculous an assertion as any.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Haven't they changed LGBTQ+ to something that doesn't imply two genders?

    This is an acronym of sexual orientations, and the "B" stands for bisexual.

    Bi.

    Two.

    Someone needs to go to fucking prison for this outrage.
    Bisexual indicates a sexual orientation with attraction to both men and women.

    Pansexual is the word you're likely looking for, and it indicates a sexual orientation that includes all genders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    They are.

    Once up on a time 4,000 kids were diagnosed with ADD in the US each year.

    Then Ritalin was invented, and now 400,000 kids are diagnosed each year.

    You can't tell me that dumping paint on fur coats even compares to the profit-motivated exploitation of children.

    And it's not just kids.

    Once upon a time, if you ate alot of food at once, you were a gluttonous fat-ass.

    Then they invented a drug that suppresses appetite.

    Now, binge-eating is an actual clinical diagnosis.

    Once upon a time, if your kid was just a pain in the ass, they would test him for Aspergers and charge the balls out of your insurance.

    Then the DSM V came out and now...Aspergers is no longer a disease. Can you believe that? It's gone from the diagnostic manual. For years they have been testing and treating and drugging kids, and when they didn't make enough money from it, they dropped it from their repetoire.

    Now there is a "spectrum". Meaning there are dozens of tests they can give your kid, and charge the balls out of your insurance. And while we're at it, let's start trying out various cocktails of medication to see which one zombifies your kid best.

    Don't even get me started on this shit....
    I was just carrying on, but I do agree with your general sentiment.

    There are two relatively recent developments on the ADHD front that are of particular interest to the above issues with regards to handing out drugs like candy, etc.

    First is that there's a lot of evidence that there are really two separate disorders that have been mistakenly assigned to the same thing. They are now known as ADHD-I and ADHD-H. Comorbidity rates for each with things like psychopathy are incredibly different, and effective treatment for each are also pretty different. Interestingly enough, the main guy (Russell Barkely) pushing for this distinction and the people who decide what goes in the DSM (and what doesn't) are very much at odds over this. He's also very much against handing out drugs like candy just because lol adhd.

    Second is that we now have ways to confirm ADHD diagnoses with an EEG. One method involves the ratio of different frequencies of brain waves. What's so interesting about this is that neurofeedback therapy is showing some super serious promise in getting these shits back to how they're supposed to be permanently, which could become a literal cure for the whole situation. Can you guess where the ASA stands on that? lol
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    Nevermind that if you add up all the people with XX and XY chromosomes, you get less than 100% of humans.

    Insisting there are exactly 2 sexes is as ridiculous an assertion as any.
    If you fuck up a Chevy, that doesn't make it a new brand of car.
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    I'm not following your analogy. I'm talking about the genetics a person is born with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    There are two relatively recent developments

    First is that there's a lot of evidence

    Second is that we now have ways to confirm ADHD diagnoses

    is showing some super serious promise
    All garbage. Science knows about 2% of what's going on upstairs. The rest is just guesses and bullshit 'conclusions' based on hardly-compelling stats. Ask poop what he thinks about "studies show 53% of those studied......"
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    I'm not following your analogy. I'm talking about the genetics a person is born with.
    You're being intentionally shitty.

    You know as well as anyone that anyone without an XX or XY is an anomaly/mutation/defortmity that can be ignored for practical purposes.

    Are you really suggesting that's its even useful/meaningful/worthwhile to create a third or more gender/sex classification to cover the one in a jillion individuals who got too much moonshine in the womb??
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    boys and men get adhd because they aren't put to hard labor enough.

    nobody who lived on a farm back in 1830 had adhd. that's for damn sure.

    the above probably applies to >90%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    boys and men get adhd because they aren't put to hard labor enough.

    nobody who lived on a farm back in 1830 had adhd. that's for damn sure.

    the above probably applies to >90%.
    Interestingly enough, there are references to many of the same types of clusters of symptoms that go back several centuries.

    There's getting to be more testing now that can separate an actual disorder (which you can see pretty clearly see the effects or causes of, depending which camp you're in, on an MRI) and a bratty kid who needs his ass beat. I find this type of shit pretty fascinating myself.

    However, I really want to get off of the ADHD topic and back on being a pansexual gender non-conformist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    Interestingly enough, there are references to many of the same types of clusters of symptoms that go back several centuries.
    Like what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Like what?
    This is my only bookmark on the subject, but it includes the full text of the paper:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3000907/
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    nobody who lived on a farm back in 1830 had adhd. that's for damn sure.
    No, they'd have been possessed by demons and locked up in a mental hospital.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    boys and men get adhd because they aren't put to hard labor enough.

    nobody who lived on a farm back in 1830 had adhd. that's for damn sure.

    the above probably applies to >90%.
    Some of them did acquire drapetomania though...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drapetomania
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    Oh, snap.

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    Oh, snap.
    Leaders fall on the sword. No disputing that.

    Though, you have to admit that dems holding the gov't hostage over DACA is reckless. Especially when they themselves have not proposed any compromise immigration bill. If they had something on the table...you could cut them some slack. But they don't.

    Also, you have to admit that Trump has greater leadership challenges than Obama had in 2013. It's one thing for dems and repubs to have philosophical impasses on policy. It's another thing to vote against something good just cuz you hate the prez and want to see him fail.

    Finally, when they inevitably pass a spending bill....are you gonna praise Trump for bringing both sides together??
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    Well, like he said in 2013 problems have to get solved from the top and the president has to lead. And so if he fixes what he himself says is mostly his own fault, why would I praise him for that?

    Seems it should be easier when you have a majority in both the house and the senate. If this is how he manages his majorities, what's going to happen after the mid-terms?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Seems it should be easier when you have a majority in both the house and the senate.
    This is an intentionally ignorant explanation being peddled by the left. They're getting away with it because most American's aren't tuned-in enough to know that the actual rules require 60 votes, which means the Democrats have to do something more than make hostage-demands.

    they say "but repubs have the majority", like having a majority matters, but it doesn't.
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    what's going to happen after the mid-terms?
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    President has to lead, solve problems from the top. A very stable genius once said so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    This is an intentionally ignorant explanation being peddled by the left. They're getting away with it because most American's aren't tuned-in enough to know that the actual rules require 60 votes, which means the Democrats have to do something more than make hostage-demands.

    they say "but repubs have the majority", like having a majority matters, but it doesn't.
    The rules require 60 votes to open the debate, 51 to pass the bill, no? So the president got the 60 votes needed for the tax bill to open for debate, and enough votes to pass it, but not the 60 needed to keep the government running, is that what happened?

    Also, aren't 3 R senators on record as saying they wouldn't vote for the latest thing? I don't know, but seems a good president would at least manage to unite his own party. A very stable genius would be good at leading like that I'd think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post

    they say "but repubs have the majority", like having a majority matters, but it doesn't.
    Last gov't shutdown that happened when the party in power held both majorities was under Carter in 1979, and there have been quite a few since then. But that's just a coincidence I guess.
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    Lol, what's that supposed to prove?
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    Poop, its difficult to take you seriously when your position is based on incorrect information.

    It takes 60 votes to break a democrat filibuster and pass the bill.

    Democrats are intentionally blocking the passing of the bill because they want a deal on DACA now, even though the actual deadline on that is March.

    Not denying that leadership us partially to blame here. But youre being quite fescicious if youre denying that the dems are guilty of reckless partisan bullshit
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Poop, its difficult to take you seriously when your position is based on incorrect information.

    It takes 60 votes to break a democrat filibuster and pass the bill.

    Democrats are intentionally blocking the passing of the bill because they want a deal on DACA now, even though the actual deadline on that is March.

    Not denying that leadership us partially to blame here. But youre being quite fescicious if youre denying that the dems are guilty of reckless partisan bullshit

    So the times the R's did the same thing wasn't reckless partisan bullshit? I'm not saying the D's are right to do what they do, I'm just confused about what the very stable genius thinks needs to happen in order to run his government. Either he needs to lead from the top and get people to compromise, or...?
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    Or...trump could abandon his platform, fail his constituents, and cave in on immigration.

    That would ALSO be a failure of leadership.

    If you wanna be intentionally glib and say everything is the presidents fault....go ahed, make yourself look foolish. Only a fool would deny that these senators are failing at their jobs.

    Trump is damned if he does, damned if he doesnt. So...nice chess moves dems. You can tout your victory to the hundreds of thousands set to be furloughed on monday.

    This is now a battle in the press. Both sides assign blame and the partisans on TV try to convince the american people who's right.

    In the end though, the dems are demanding a deal for illegal immigrants and they are doing it by holding american citizens hostage. The Trump media machine is spreading that message. Dems are saying...."oooh in 2013 you said nyah nyah myah nyah"

    I guess we will see how it plays out
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    Lol, what's that supposed to prove?
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    Eventually both sides will give a little and the bill will get passed.

    That's how good government generally works.

    The question is why did it have to come to this? A very stable genius should have been able to talk to both sides and lead them through it to a compromise without all the drama and angst that's going on now. That's what good leaders do.
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    Oh I see. It's supposed to prove you have no intelligent thought on the issue at hand so you'll just take the toxic idiot approach to debate instead.

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