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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Honestly, this whole point about "intersex" people is stupid. That's so fucking rare that it shouldn't really be part of the discussion. It's a fringe biological anomaly that almost never happens.

    it just comes up in discussions like this as a form of "gotchya".

    Someone says "Chromosomes determine gender"

    then some dink says "Yeah, but that only applies to 99.9999999999999% of people, so it's not good enough"

    And then somehow that means that people who are definitely NOT intersex, get to make up some other definition of gender that helps them collect victim points.
    My point in bringing up intersex people is specifically that they are so rare that they should not be a significant part of the larger discussion. My point about gender dysphoria is similar in that it's particularly rare to the point that it doesn't even dominate the discussion of transgender people at this point within SJW-type circles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I wish to identify as a dolphin, and anyone who doesn't refer to me by my preferred pronoun is comitting a hate crime.

    My preferred pronoun has no English representation, since I am a dolphin. It's basically an inaudible high pitched screech, your dog might understand it. Here's the binary represenation of it... 10110001101001110101101000101010000000101010110101 001010001111010100101

    You have my permission to shorten it to 101, since it's my lucky number.
    This is exactly why it's ridiculous to try to make it illegal to "mis-gender" someone or to try to control speech along the lines of which pronouns are used (which is already in action in Canada and other parts of the world).
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    No, that was just a note on the side. My point was, and I am very confused as to why this is so difficult to grasp: You do not use chromosomes to identify gender. You use visual and auditory clues. Does this person have long hair, breasts. Does the person walk in a certain way. The pitch of the voice. When all clues point to one gender you use the appropriate gender pronoun. To say you don't is simply dishonest. Ben Sharpino says he will always use the pronoun associated with the biological gender, and Spoon said he finds this agreeable, and then a couple posts later contradicts himself directly. So my conclusion is that this is a complete waste of a conversation.
    IIRC Shapiro says that when he uses pronouns in public, because that forum is more about being truthful than being kind. In private he will use the person's preferred pronoun to be nice. I'm like 90% sure that's what he said. It was when he and Peterson were on Rubin.

    As an observer, I'll say that it isn't so cut and dried to me. I remember back before Bill Nye the Science Guy transformed into Shill Nye the Fake News Guy, gender seemed to be thought equal to sex. And I always thought it was common for femme gays to present like women yet still prefer to be known as men. The gender as a social construct thing, I'm just not sure if that's the case. This is one of those issues that I'm not sure I know what to think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    This is one of those issues that I'm not sure I know what to think.
    Wouldn't it be nice if it were ok to have a public debate that presents all angles of the issue and allows people to make up their mind with the benefit of the most information possible????

    Unfortunately Mr. Shapiro can't even schedule a speech without it being cancelled, moved, or otherwise limited under threats of violent protests.

    So don't worry wuf. You don't have to know what to think. Someone will tell you.
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    School tells sixth-graders they can't say no when asked to dance


    http://www.kmvt.com/content/news/Sch...473610053.html

    When Richard`s sixth grade daughter told her she couldn`t say no if a boy asked her to dance at Kanesville Elementary School’s Valentine`s Day dance, she didn`t believe it at first.

    "The teacher said she can`t. She has to say yes. She has to accept and I said excuse me?" Richard said.


    So she took her concerns to the school principal.


    "He basically just said they`ve had this dance set up this way for a long time and they`ve never had any concerns before," she said.


    Lane Findlay, with the Weber School District, confirms it`s a rule, but it`s meant to teach students how to be inclusive.
    So we finally have participation trophies for asking girls to dance...
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    Lane Findlay, with the Weber School District, confirms it`s a rule, but it`s meant to teach students how to be inclusive.
    This doesn't "teach" kids to be inclusive, it forces them. That's not really being inclusive for the right reasons, is it?
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    I actually don't have that big of a problem with this. It sounds like they are doing some due diligence beforehand by asking kids to fill out cards with who they want to dance with. That suggests that there is some intelligent matchmaking going on that would prevent any problem ahead of time.

    The story doesn't say much about what "dancing" entails. It doesn't specifically mention touching. I can't imagine a girl can be forced to let a boy touch her body. So I'm wondering exactly what these kids are actually being "forced" to do. If all they are being asked to do is stand two feet away from a boy and dance around...I'm not terribly outraged.

    On the other hand the school seems to be facilitating some constructive interactions. The pre-game card system sounds like it should alleviate alot of the social anxiety involved with asking someone to dance and risking rejection. These kids don't have to worry about that and can just focus on having fun, and having an open mind about someone they may not have known otherwise.

    Gun to my head, if I'm forced to pick a side, I'd say I'm against this. It feels like a solution without a problem. But ultimately....who's really being hurt by this?
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    Kids need to learn about rejection more than inclusion, since school is supposed to prepare them for the real world.
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    I wonder how long it will be before some kid calls hate crime because he got picked last for footie?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I wonder how long it will be before some kid calls hate crime because he got picked last for footie?
    It won't get to that point. They'll just cancel the dance long before things get to that level.

    I do have some sympathy for schools sometimes. It's a hard job keeping kids engaged will still appeasing every outraged parent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Gun to my head, if I'm forced to pick a side, I'd say I'm against this. It feels like a solution without a problem. But ultimately....who's really being hurt by this?
    If we assume it's a boy asking a girl, since that's how it's being framed, I'd argue that it hurts both the boy and the girl.

    It hurts the boy because he does not have to deal with getting his balls up and asking a girl to dance with those stupid cards where you write down, and if he does go to ask a girl on those cards or whatever, he doesn't have to deal with the risk of rejection, which is some real participation trophy shit to me.

    It hurts the girl because she's being put in a position where she's being told she has to dance with boys she does not want to dance with, and that sets a precedent that she does not have the right to say no. Even if we assume that there is no touching at all, which is not exactly a given, then it's still a violation of consent, and it teaches the girls that they are supposed to just let boys do whatever they want because it's not nice to tell people no.

    On a larger level, this whole "let's make shit inclusive" mentality is the same mentality that creates snowflakes who think we should let 11 million illegal immigrants just stay here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    It hurts the boy because he does not have to deal with getting his balls up and asking a girl to dance with those stupid cards where you write down,
    So??? He's 11. Eventually there will come a day when he has skin in the game and he will either have to 'get his balls up', or take a cold shower.

    and if he does go to ask a girl on those cards or whatever, he doesn't have to deal with the risk of rejection, which is some real participation trophy shit to me.
    Again, he's only 11.

    Furthermore, how is this card system substantially different from Tinder???

    It hurts the girl because she's being put in a position where she's being told she has to dance with boys she does not want to dance with, and that sets a precedent that she does not have the right to say no.
    I think you're confusing this with a typical high-school dance. First of all, it's not high school. It's wrong to view this through the lens of your own experiences where school dances were places for cultivating young romances. It seems to me that this dance is a highly supervised event that allows classmates an opportunity for non-academic social interactions.

    Even if we assume that there is no touching at all, which is not exactly a given, then it's still a violation of consent, and it teaches the girls that they are supposed to just let boys do whatever they want because it's not nice to tell people no.
    You're overreacting I think. Again, I think you're a little too focused on the romance angle.

    On a larger level, this whole "let's make shit inclusive" mentality is the same mentality that creates snowflakes
    If I can play devil's advocate for a minute, a counter argument to this might be that adolescents today are over-exposed to sexual content. I have kids, and I see the shows they watch. Girls, even very young ones, wear more make-up than most porn stars. The characters have 'boy-problems' at extremely young ages. The themes and storylines in these shows used to only be directed to a much older crowd.

    Maybe it's ok to expose 11 year olds to social situations free from that clutter. Maybe just focus on dancing, making friends, and having an open mind about others. Leave the drama for the teen-years.
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    I have a different experience that may shed light on some of our differences in opinion on this.

    When I was 11-12, the ages most kids are in the sixth grade, I was getting my dick sucked by girls my age and older. I lost my virginity at age 12 when I was in the seventh grade to a girl who was in the eighth grade.

    School dances at that age had girls grinding their asses on my dick and getting fingerbanged under their jeans and up their shorts when we didn't think teachers could see. My elementary school was K-8 (it's now K-5 as middle schools for 6-8 were built) for reference, and there were multiple girls in my county when I was in the sixth, seventh and eighth grades who were pregnant in elementary school and/or in the summer between elementary school and high school. There were multiple girls who had kids who were in my freshman classes in high school.

    With that having been said, I have tremendous sympathy for anyone who has a young daughter right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    I have a different experience that may shed light on some of our differences in opinion on this.
    After reading your post, I'm positively shocked that we have a difference of opinion.

    When I was 11-12, the ages most kids are in the sixth grade, I was getting my dick sucked by girls my age and older. I lost my virginity at age 12 when I was in the seventh grade to a girl who was in the eighth grade.
    Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Serious question.

    School dances at that age had girls grinding their asses on my dick and getting fingerbanged under their jeans and up their shorts when we didn't think teachers could see. My elementary school was K-8 (it's now K-5 as middle schools for 6-8 were built) for reference, and there were multiple girls in my county when I was in the sixth, seventh and eighth grades who were pregnant in elementary school and/or in the summer between elementary school and high school. There were multiple girls who had kids who were in my freshman classes in high school.
    This all sounds like an overwhelmingly strong argument for restructuring school dances to include significantly more supervision, and encouraging kids to mingle with as many people as possible.

    Why are we in disagreement then????

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    With that having been said, I have tremendous sympathy for anyone who has a young daughter right now.
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    Envelope with 'white powder' sent to Trump Jr's residence, wife in hospital

    https://www.rt.com/usa/418590-trump-...wder-envelope/

    The violent left strikes again.
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    Envelope with 'white powder' sent to Trump Jr's residence, wife in hospital

    https://www.rt.com/usa/418590-trump-...wder-envelope/

    The violent left strikes again.
    You support Trump and you read RT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    After reading your post, I'm positively shocked that we have a difference of opinion.
    I was taking a shit, so I didn't actually get around to why I have a different opinion with my previous post.

    My point is this: There is sexual tension between a non-trivial number of students in these types of dances, even at 11-12 years old, and that's why I think everything I said about it a few posts back with regard to consent (to which you said they are 11 years old, etc.) still applies. This is the crux of why I said I think my experience gives me a different perspective since I think sexual education, consent, etc. should really be taken seriously with people of those ages.

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Serious question.
    I think it's the natural thing. Otherwise, we would start puberty later in life.

    As to whether it's good or bad, I don't think it's either. I'd say it was good for me and probably bad for the girls in the long run.

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    This all sounds like an overwhelmingly strong argument for restructuring school dances to include significantly more supervision, and encouraging kids to mingle with as many people as possible.
    We had tremendous supervision, and it still went down. You're not going to keep people from doing this stuff unless you create a prison-like environment, and it's still going to happen then to some degree.

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Why are we in disagreement then????
    I answered most of this above, but just to reiterate, I think it's because we view the ages involved differently.

    There's a skin in the game pun here somewhere too.


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    I think wufwugy still does the best impression of the left, but this is solid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    You support Trump and you read RT?

    I don't even know what RT is. Someone sent me the link. I'm saving that picture though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    I don't even know what RT is.
    nice deception

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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    We had tremendous supervision, and it still went down. You're not going to keep people from doing this stuff unless you create a prison-like environment, and it's still going to happen then to some degree.
    I don't know about prison-like. I think we have different visions about how this dance goes down. It doesn't sound like this school, in Utah, isn't putting a bunch of raging-hormoned adolescents in a dark room with loud music and leaving them to their own devices for a few hours. It sounds like this is more of an emcee'd event, like a wedding reception, where the crowd is engaged in activities like a rotating dance card.

    I'd let me 11 year old daughter go to this dance feeling confident that the odds against her getting finger-banged are at least 20 to 1
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    I don't know about prison-like. I think we have different visions about how this dance goes down. It doesn't sound like this school, in Utah, isn't putting a bunch of raging-hormoned adolescents in a dark room with loud music and leaving them to their own devices for a few hours. It sounds like this is more of an emcee'd event, like a wedding reception, where the crowd is engaged in activities like a rotating dance card.

    I'd let me 11 year old daughter go to this dance feeling confident that the odds against her getting finger-banged are at least 20 to 1
    What I'm saying is that the type of thing you're describing here isn't very far off from how our dances were.

    Lots of shit went down on the school bus too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    What I'm saying is that the type of thing you're describing here isn't very far off from how our dances were.
    Really? I remember school dances being in large gymnasiums with very little lighting and very loud music. And the ratio of adults to kids was quite large. That's not what I'm envisioning at this Utah middle school.

    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    Lots of shit went down on the school bus too.
    I'm just gonna reassure myself by saying that this was during a time before everyone had a camera in their pocket, and trust that kids exercise more modesty nowadays.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Really? I remember school dances being in large gymnasiums with very little lighting and very loud music. And the ratio of adults to kids was quite large. That's not what I'm envisioning at this Utah middle school.

    I'm just gonna reassure myself by saying that this was during a time before everyone had a camera in their pocket, and trust that kids exercise more modesty nowadays.
    I think I just remembered that you have a daughter(s). Here are a couple of pieces of food for thought.

    My girl's little cousin got caught a few years ago sending video of her self masturbating to her boyfriend, who was 23. She had only recently turned 15.

    Then again, my girl moved in with me when she was 19 and I was 30. Her mom was commenting on Facebook on a picture of the Lego set I got her and said that she was spoiled, so I must be doing alright.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    I think I just remembered that you have a daughter(s).
    Then why did you find the 'head in the sand' pic so funny?

    My girl's little cousin got caught a few years ago sending video of her self masturbating to her boyfriend, who was 23. She had only recently turned 15.
    I hear stories like this, and I know I'm supposed to be frightened, but I'm not. I can't imagine how it would even be possible for my teenage daughter to have an adult boyfriend. your girl's little cousin has horrible parents, like cataclysmically bad parents.

    Then again, my girl moved in with me when she was 19 and I was 30. Her mom was commenting on Facebook on a picture of the Lego set I got her and said that she was spoiled, so I must be doing alright.
    Sarcasm translates poorly through text.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Then why did you find the 'head in the sand' pic so funny?
    We make fun of libtards so much, I just assumed it had to do with that. Trying to post and cook at the same time doesn't work out well for me all of the time.

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    I hear stories like this, and I know I'm supposed to be frightened, but I'm not. I can't imagine how it would even be possible for my teenage daughter to have an adult boyfriend. your girl's little cousin has horrible parents, like cataclysmically bad parents.
    She met him on OkCupid on her phone and lied about her age. She would meet with him at parks and things when she went to hang out with her friends. I don't know her parents well enough to tell, but her dad cried when he found out because the guy she was sending this to (who she was also having sex with occasionally) was black.

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    Sarcasm translates poorly through text.
    lol
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    her dad cried when he found out because the guy she was sending this to (who she was also having sex with occasionally) was black.
    The south is a fucked up place
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    I'm just gonna reassure myself by saying that this was during a time before everyone had a camera in their pocket, and trust that kids exercise more modesty nowadays.
    I like how you drew this conclusion and not the realistic one that this just results in there being a video of your daughter getting fingered going around school and forever on the internet.
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    OMG I hope you fall down some stairs
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    lol Savy with the gut shot
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    It would be fine to add a game where you can't say no. Like spin the bottle or whatever losers used to play while I was off being cool.

    But if it replaces a traditional dance, maybe not the best.
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    Why I Got Off the Pacific Crest Trail After 454 Miles Instead of Walking All the Way to Canada

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    tldr: Fat feminist quits hike and blames the patriarchy and "toxic masculinity."

    But I decided to stop hiking just shy of 500 miles in, and while all of the very truthful realities I just listed played a part in my decision to quit, the real truth is harder to admit. I’m scared to say it out loud, embarrassed I let it get to me, unsure I want to make myself a spokeswoman for this particular issue. And yet, every time I do speak this truth, other hikers come forward and say, “I felt that way too.” They sigh in relief that someone is naming this problem. And so I’m finally writing this essay, the one I’ve been trying to articulate for almost eight months, the one I have been putting off for just as long. I want other hikers to see these words when they research the PCT and try to decide if it’s the right choice for them to hike this trail. I want to say this clearly, because it has been so hard to admit and has made me feel ashamed and sad about things that are not my fault.

    I stopped hiking the Pacific Crest Trail in 2017 because of toxic masculinity and bro culture in the hiking community. It exists, it’s shitty, and it fucked me up.
    This is a perfect example of some leftist fucktard coming up with a huge cover story to blame "the oppressor" instead of taking personal responsibility for their own decisions. It's the same participation trophy bullshit over and over from these fucking idiots.

    She continues:

    It can be like this, too: A sweet athletic blonde woman takes a liking to me and slows down her pace so we can hike together for a few hours. She admits she knows the trail is a boys club, but she’s used to it because she teaches snowboarding in the winter and that’s a boys club, too. She tells me she kinda likes being in the club, so she makes herself one of the boys. “It’s dumb how competitive everyone is about mileage,” she says, and I’m about to agree but then she continues, “I mean really, we should be most impressed with people like you! It’s amazing that you’re out here doing this!” I think she thinks she is being nice so I don’t say, “Wow, thanks for thinking it is so amazing that a fat slow lesbian could be hiking this trail with you and all these dumb bros!” It’s hot and I’m tired and fuck, I liked this woman, so I just say, “Thank you.”

    It happens in so many ways. Almost every man I encounter wants to mansplain some aspect of my gear to me. Men make disgusting objectifying comments about women on trail, calling girls hot or ugly or fuckable or whatever makes them feel powerful in that moment, I guess. One man who I think is my friend hurts my feelings and when I try to communicate with him in the adult way I’ve been taught, by telling him he has hurt me and asking him to please not repeat his behavior, he mocks me and encourages others to join him until I cry. He avoids me after that. I meet so many men who tell me, blissfully, that for the first time in their lives they finally feel completely understood. I am dumbfounded. They finally feel understood? Finally? But…where on this Earth do they not feel understood? What the fuck?
    The whole "article" is really great reading and is overall either hilarious or incredibly sad, depending on how you feel about these types of people to begin with.

    Sometimes it goes like this: I stop at a water source and I ask a man I’ve been leapfrogging with all day if he can scoot over so I can also have a place to sit in the shade. There isn’t a lot of shade, but enough that I can sit too. He rolls his eyes and I, stupidly, make a joke about feminism and equality on the trail. He immediately snaps that the pay gap isn’t real (what?) and then goes on a rant about feminists ruining everything. We somehow veer into the murky waters of capitalism vs. socialism and then he proudly tells me he’s glad he’s no longer at his desk job because a guy like him doesn’t belong behind a desk. “I should be out here, raping and pillaging the land!” I open and close my mouth but nothing comes out. By now several other folks have shown up – men and women – and they all hear his fucked up announcement, but no one challenges him.
    I'm totally sure the above happened lol.

    But listen, we live in a racist homophobic transphobic fatphobic classist fucked up patriarchal society.
    Most of the language we use to describe our “playground,” which truthfully is stolen land from Native American tribes, is racist: talking about “bagging peaks” or “conquering mountains” is as much part of the problem as anything else. It’s not about just one bad man or a couple of jerks, it’s about the entire culture. We all have work to do.
    Then I presented at Queer Adventure Storytelling, a local event in Portland, OR, and instead of telling a traditional adventure tale, I named my speech “Talking About Toxic Masculinity And Bro Culture On The Pacific Crest Trail, With Pretty Pictures To Focus On If My Words Are Too Much Of A Bummer!”
    These types of people are where I got my forkitnow character from, btw. They're completely serious about this goofy shit. Her grammar is also sub-par.

    “I just feel like I failed,” I said to my girlfriend one night, trying to explain why I was so sad.

    “I wish you’d stop saying that,” she said. “You didn’t fail the PCT; the trail failed you.”
    This one stood out to me. She tries to explain to her girlfriend that she feels like she failed, which is right on the edge of the cliff of personal responsibility, and her girlfriend reels her back into perpetual victimhood.

    Ong, if you read this, did anyone ever do this type of thing with you?
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    wow....all that bullshit yet she has no problem with the name "scissor"
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    Ong, if you read this, did anyone ever do this type of thing with you?
    Did Ong hike the PCT??
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    Ong, if you read this, did anyone ever do this type of thing with you?
    What, try to convince me that I'm not responsible for my own failures when I attempt to take responsibility? No. I think my friends actually respect me for being honest about my failures and not seeking to blame anyone else for my lack of success, despite the fact I very easily could have, since I had a messed up childhood.

    Don't get me wrong, I've been dumped for being a shit boyfriend, and had my friends rally round me saying she's the bitch and there's nothing wrong with me. But deep down I knew I wasn't fucking her good enough. Hard for a man to admit that to himself, but in doing so I actually felt empowered. My next gf didn't dump me for that, I can say. She dumped me for not being daddy material.

    How can you hope to improve if you don't accept responsibility for your own failures?
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    Feminism is cancer, that fat lesbian is ill.
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    In her defense, the hiking community contains ALOT of ass holes.
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    I’ve told a lot of stories about why I stopped hiking the Pacific Crest Trail at the 454 mile mark last summer, though I intended to hike the whole thing, all 2,650 miles from Mexico to Canada. They’re all versions of the truth. I missed my girlfriend, it’s true. I hurt my knee, yes, also true. I missed my community and my friends and my life in Portland, yes yes yes, true true true. Oh, and I was scared of the Sierra Nevada mountain range and the historic snowfall of 2017, not at all convinced I could do that portion of the trail alone in a safe way. Yes, also true. The Pacific Crest Trail in 2017 was no joke, and those who hiked continuous footpaths (or not-continuous footpaths!) through one of the most popular long distance trails in the United States of America last year deserve praise and recognition.
    First fucking paragraph and her motivations are absolutely clear.

    I'm a fat lesbian who missed my gf and my cat and after 500 miles of a 2500 walk I got cold and bored and scared so fucked off back home and wrote an essay about how men are cunts because my hotter-than-me gf convinced me it would get retweets.

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    I don't have the real statistics handy, but the vast majority of those that start a long-distance hike, don't finish. Some people get legitimately injured. The rest are just weak. But every one of them has an excuse why they didn't finish that has nothing to do with their own weakness.

    This woman's story isn't unique. She's just fat and gay and ugly which gives her enough victim points to write about it.
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    I'll be honest, as I was writing that last piece of mockery, a bit of me thought "500 miles? It's not a bad effort."

    I probably wouldn't make the distance, but I'd be honest about why that was... because I failed.
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    I'll be honest, as I was writing that last piece of mockery, a bit of me thought "500 miles? It's not a bad effort."

    I probably wouldn't make the distance, but I'd be honest about why that was... because I failed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I'll be honest, as I was writing that last piece of mockery, a bit of me thought "500 miles? It's not a bad effort."

    I probably wouldn't make the distance, but I'd be honest about why that was... because I failed.
    I'd estimate she made it about 50 miles total at the absolute most and that the rest of it was bullshit. She was a fat chick who was extremely out of shape, and she's shown repeatedly that she has no problem whatsoever with lying her fat ass off.
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    I'd estimate she made it about 50 miles total at the absolute most and that the rest of it was bullshit. She was a fat chick who was extremely out of shape, and she's shown repeatedly that she has no problem whatsoever with lying her fat ass off.
    She wouldn't be the first. Though definitely not the worst

    http://claybonnymanevans.com/yes-sta...t-lies-matter/
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    lol goddamn...
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    https://www.aol.com/article/news/201...ssip/23361538/

    Just take his damn medal away. He shouldn't have been allowed to compete anyway.
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    I came to post about the same thing. There were multiple stories posted within 15 minutes of each other from USA Today as just one example. It's nothing less than a targeted smear campaign.
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    High school students ban national anthem from pep rallies.

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/...what-heck.html

    The Star Spangled Banner will no longer be played at rallies at California High School in San Ramon after student leaders determined the song is racially insensitive.
    “It was brought to our attention that the national anthem’s third verse is outdated and racially offensive, wrote the president of the school’s Associated Study Body. “We had nothing but good intentions by removing the song so that we could be fully inclusive to our student body.”
    For people who aren't in the United States, most people don't even know that there is a third verse of our national anthem. That's related to the fact that most people don't even know that there is a second verse of our national anthem. Only the first verse is ever sung as the national anthem. (There's also a fourth verse that, as you can probably guess, virtually no one knows about.)

    Here's the verse in question:

    And where is that band who so vauntingly sworeThat the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
    A home and a country, should leave us no more?
    Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
    No refuge could save the hireling and slave
    From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
    And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave,
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
    It's referring to slaves who actually existed at the time. Not sure what's racist about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    I came to post about the same thing. There were multiple stories posted within 15 minutes of each other from USA Today as just one example. It's nothing less than a targeted smear campaign.
    Targeted? At him? Hmmmmmm, I'm not so sure.

    I think this #metoo movement started as a legitimate thing, born out of pent-up frustration that some women had been holding on to. I get that.

    But now it's been totally weaponized solely for the purpose of making Trump toxic to women. After 2020, you won't see another #metoo story grab a tenth of the fanfare it does now.

    Look at this story. The guy is accused of some pretty lukewarm misconduct within a committed relationship and now he can't even enjoy an Olympic Gold medal for three goddamn minutes. If that's a fitting punishment for him.....what should we do to the 18-time accused Trump?
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    http://www.cnn.com/2018/02/13/health..._core_homepage

    They asked for something, and got exactly what they wanted.

    And it's still not good enough???????????
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    http://www.cnn.com/2018/02/13/health..._core_homepage

    They asked for something, and got exactly what they wanted.

    And it's still not good enough???????????


    To be fair, it must be tough to think that your primary function on this planet is to have a dick stuck in an extra hole you have. It's the only plausible explanation for the obsession some of these people have with having a vagina.
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    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/02...ency-call.html

    arrested on suspicion of public order offenses.
    1. The phrase "arrested on suspicion" really really really rubs me the wrong way.

    2. Who is the victim here? How is 'public order' damaged?

    3. Isn't respecting assigned parking spots part of how we all maintain 'public order' in the first place??
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/02...ency-call.html



    1. The phrase "arrested on suspicion" really really really rubs me the wrong way.

    2. Who is the victim here? How is 'public order' damaged?

    3. Isn't respecting assigned parking spots part of how we all maintain 'public order' in the first place??

    1. That means arrested but not charged (yet). What they're probably doing is giving the idiot a chance to show remorse or explain why she acted like such a twat.

    2. The rights of the ambulance crew to do their job without being subject to verbal abuse.

    3. Only a moron would think an ambulance responding to an emergency should drive around looking for a free parking spot in the interest of public order. Next you'll be saying they shouldn't be allowed to run red lights because that's impinging on the rules of the road. Fuck off.
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    Yeah I'm with poop on this one, even the fuck off bit. As if you're actually suggesting the ambulance respects parking. You must be trolling the limeys.

    I've got no problem with it being considered a violation of public order to abuse emergency services responding to an emergency.
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    As for "arrested on suspicion", it's merely legal jargon. You're not being arrested for actually committing the crime, even if a police officer witnessed you do it, because due process is yet to formally prove you have committed the crime. So you're arrested on suspicion.
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    How does that bitch with the note even make the news in USA? Fuck's sake, you'll be reading about milk bottles going missing from a Ludlow bungalow next.
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    BREAKING NEWS - UK TEENAGER ARRESTED FOR TRESPASSING ON A RAILWAY
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    The crew was responding to a 999 call — the emergency service number in the United Kingdom
    This made me laugh, too. I like how you guys need it spelled out. I can't imagine our media saying "911- the American emergency service number-"... well, except maybe the Daily Mail.
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    This made me laugh, too. I like how you guys need it spelled out. I can't imagine our media saying "911- the American emergency service number-"... well, except maybe the Daily Mail.
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    This made me laugh, too. I like how you guys need it spelled out. I can't imagine our media saying "911- the American emergency service number-"... well, except maybe the Daily Mail.
    My guess is that the journalist, in this case Fox, put that in there for their own benefit. I'm sure there's more than a few idiot redneck xenophobes who would read "999" and say "that's not right!". Next thing you know Fox has 200 emails from retards saying "y'all made a misprint...it's supposed to be 911. Glad I could help".

    instead, they added a half dozen words to the story and now there are idiot redneck xenophobes saying "well golly, I darn learned sum'in today"
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    How does that bitch with the note even make the news in USA? Fuck's sake, you'll be reading about milk bottles going missing from a Ludlow bungalow next.
    Brits still get their milk delivered???!!!
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    1. That means arrested but not charged (yet).
    Arrested and charged mean the same thing. After that the charges are either dropped, or prosecuted. I'm still not understanding why they couldn't just say "arrested".

    What they're probably doing is giving the idiot a chance to show remorse or explain why she acted like such a twat.
    So you can be arrested based on an accusation? And then you have to answer that accusation under thread of prosecution?? What kind of fucked up due process is that. How about you get your fucking evidence, then come talk to me. In America, a person doesn't have to incriminate themselves.

    2. The rights of the ambulance crew to do their job without being subject to verbal abuse.
    Fuck off with this garbage. "verbal abuse" are you serious? These are people who stare at bloody wounds all day. Now you're telling me they can't handle the s-word??

    3. Only a moron would think an ambulance responding to an emergency should drive around looking for a free parking spot in the interest of public order. Next you'll be saying they shouldn't be allowed to run red lights because that's impinging on the rules of the road. Fuck off.
    No one said the Ambulance should have to go searching for a parking spot. But being ignorant of that shouldn't be a crime!!

    Why can't the ambulance driver pick up the note, say "what a cunt" and move on? Post it on facebook....fine. Now all his friends can say "what a cunt!" too. Now everybody knows that a cunt lives in #14. Justice is served.

    How did we go from that to an arrest???
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    Brits still get their milk delivered???!!!
    Yes, although I think it's just the countryside and remote places that continue to use the service. I just took a look to see if I can get milk delivered, and there's two companies within 5 miles (Tenbury) and another two 5 miles further away (Ludlow).

    I might give them a call.
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    Arrested and charged mean the same thing. After that the charges are either dropped, or prosecuted. I'm still not understanding why they couldn't just say "arrested".
    Arrested and charged are not the same thing in the UK. To be arrested is to be apprehended for questioning, to be charged is to be formally accused of the crime. With this in mind, you should now see a distinction between the two, and understand why people are arrested on suspicion.

    So you can be arrested based on an accusation?
    Not quite. There has to be evidence, I mean the police have to believe there's a reasonable chance of a successful prosecution in order to waster their resources arresting and questioning people. There has to be reasonable grounds to make an arrest. A mere accusation is not enough, although it might be enough to get a warrant for them to investigate, ie tap phone wires etc.

    The police's job is merely to gather evidence and present this to the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS), it is then up to the CPS to decide whether to bring charges, and in turn, the courts will be the forum for the formal prosecution to occur.

    Fuck off with this garbage. "verbal abuse" are you serious? These are people who stare at bloody wounds all day. Now you're telling me they can't handle the s-word??
    I'm inclined to agree with you on this point. The ambulance people were keen to point out that there were also things said, and these comments to my knowledge have not been published. Perhaps she made a threat. But still, I don't have any sympathy for her. You're going to get yourself arrested if you tell a copper to fuck off when he is trying to arrest someone else, why is gobbing off at a paramedic any different? This event is something that outrages the public, and not just your professional victims, but normal people who think "what if those paramedics were attending to my mother?". You'd want action to be taken.

    Bitch will only get a fine. Rightly so.

    Why can't the ambulance driver pick up the note, say "what a cunt" and move on? Post it on facebook....fine. Now all his friends can say "what a cunt!" too. Now everybody knows that a cunt lives in #14. Justice is served.
    That's basically exactly what hapened. Then the polic saw it on twitter and decided to act. The ambulance people did not report the matter.
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    Charged and prosecuted are synonyms here, rather than charged and arrested.

    To be formally accused is basically "see you in court". An arrest is basically an informal accusation.

    How about you get your fucking evidence, then come talk to me. In America, a person doesn't have to incriminate themselves.
    Neither does anyone have to incirminate themself here, but the police will obviously give stupid people the opportunity to do so. It's no different in the USA in the sense the police will still question you, and if you admit to something,m they'll use that against you in court. That's the whole point of them questioning you. Here in the UK, if you remain silent, they can't use that against you in court, it is not an admission of guilt.
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    Either Ong is not the best source for information on British legal protocols, or England is an oppressive fascist regime.

    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Arrested and charged are not the same thing in the UK. To be arrested is to be apprehended for questioning, to be charged is to be formally accused of the crime. With this in mind, you should now see a distinction between the two, and understand why people are arrested on suspicion.
    Here in America, we have something called freedom. Police can question people, even aggressively. But no one is forced to answer. If the police say "Come down to the station and answer some questions". You are totally within your rights to say "Fuck off". There's no such thing as "apprehended for questioning"

    Not quite. There has to be evidence, I mean the police have to believe there's a reasonable chance of a successful prosecution in order to waster their resources arresting and questioning people. There has to be reasonable grounds to make an arrest. A mere accusation is not enough, although it might be enough to get a warrant for them to investigate, ie tap phone wires etc.
    So "probable cause" is not a thing in the UK??

    I'm inclined to agree with you on this point. The ambulance people were keen to point out that there were also things said, and these comments to my knowledge have not been published. Perhaps she made a threat.
    I doubt it. It seems that the note was the only newsworthy communication. If she did something else that led to her arrest, then the author of the story is a fucking retard.

    But still, I don't have any sympathy for her. You're going to get yourself arrested if you tell a copper to fuck off when he is trying to arrest someone else, why is gobbing off at a paramedic any different?
    I'm sorry you live in this totalitarian dictatorship. Here in the free world, you can tell a cop to fuck off. I've done it, though not in those exact words. I tried that synthetic marijuana for a couple weeks after my regular dealer died. I was buying it one night and a cop was talking to the convenience store clerk. He stopped talking as I was buying the shit and he said "You aren't nervous buying that in front of me?" I replied "Should I Be? Is it illegal?. He said "no", so I just shrugged and said "Then leave me alone"

    That really ticked me off. I wanted to rant at the guy and explain that the alternative was that I go out onto 'his' streets and commit a crime buying drugs. is that really what he wants me to do????

    This event is something that outrages the public, and not just your professional victims, but normal people who think "what if those paramedics were attending to my mother?". You'd want action to be taken.
    Causing outrage is not a crime. So what if it was your mother. This woman didn't obstruct anything. She didn't interfere with paramedics doing their jobs.

    Bitch will only get a fine. Rightly so.
    This offends sensibility.
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    Charged and prosecuted are synonyms here, rather than charged and arrested.

    To be formally accused is basically "see you in court". An arrest is basically an informal accusation.
    Maybe "arrest" means something different in the UK. Here, it means that the police have physically detained you. Your movements are restricted. Your freedoms are inhibited. You are being removed, physically, from the public because you have committed an act that defies law and order. For this to happen, the police need probable cause or a warrant. It takes more than an 'accusation', and nothing about it is informal. If that can happen in the UK just cause it makes the police's job easier....then no wonder so many people want to move to America.

    Neither does anyone have to incirminate themself here, but the police will obviously give stupid people the opportunity to do so. It's no different in the USA in the sense the police will still question you, and if you admit to something,m they'll use that against you in court. That's the whole point of them questioning you. Here in the UK, if you remain silent, they can't use that against you in court, it is not an admission of guilt.
    Yeah, but in America, before the police can ask you questions, they have to explicitly explain to you that you have the right to remain silent. They warn you that anything you do say "can and will" be used against you. They are also required to advise you of your right to have an attorney present during questioning. If you can't afford an attorney, the gov't will provide one for free. And you must demonstrate acknowledgement of these rights before any questioning begins. That makes it alot harder for the cops to exploit stupid people.
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    It's amusing that banana thinks Britain is some kind of dictatorship.

    So "probable cause" is not a thing in the UK??
    What do you think "reasonable grounds" means? It's basically British for "probable cause".

    Here in the free world, you can tell a cop to fuck off.
    Yeah well go out and try it. I mean literally tell him to fuck off, I don't mean be a bit of a dick. Go to your nearest copper and say "excuse me sir, but FUCK OFF", then come back to me and tell me you live in a freer place than I.

    This woman didn't obstruct anything. She didn't interfere with paramedics doing their jobs.
    Arguably she did, because she caused them to waste time, and caused them undue stress.

    Causing outrage is not a crime, but if there's an otherwise insignificant crime that's been comitted, public outrage is motivation to persue charges, however petty it might seem. The CPS should only persue charges if it is in the public interest, it's basically their remit.

    Maybe "arrest" means something different in the UK. Here, it means that the police have physically detained you. Your movements are restricted. Your freedoms are inhibited. You are being removed, physically, from the public because you have committed an act that defies law and order. For this to happen, the police need probable cause or a warrant.
    Yep, here they need a warrant or "reasonable grounds for suspicion", such as a cop witnessing a crime, to give an obvious example.

    It takes more than an 'accusation', and nothing about it is informal.
    An arrest is a formal action, it's resorded and subject to strict rules, but it's not a formal accusation, because the police don't make formal accusations, the CPS do.

    Yeah, but in America, before the police can ask you questions, they have to explicitly explain to you that you have the right to remain silent.
    Yep, same here.

    They exploit stupid people in interview, where remaining totally silent does not harm your defence, while making admissions does. I assume that's the same over there.
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    Yeah well go out and try it. I mean literally tell him to fuck off, I don't mean be a bit of a dick. Go to your nearest copper and say "excuse me sir, but FUCK OFF", then come back to me and tell me you live in a freer place than I.
    I can't fathom why this would be illegal.
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    Our legal systems merely work differently when you look at the cogs moving, but the end result for the average citizen is very much similar.

    Cops can't just go around aresting people based on accusations and questionable evidence, they have to have good reason to belive a crime has been committed, and be able to present that evidence. For a cop to be a dick and arrest you on dodgy grounds, he's going to have to lie on his paperwork. The risks heavily outweigh any reward, which is causing a few hours of inconvenience vs losing his job and maybe being prosecuted.

    Our legal system is far from perfect, but I'll take it over most. The only thing I really take issue with is drug laws, I'm otherwise law abiding.
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    I can't fathom why this would be illegal.
    http://www.fosters-solicitors.co.uk/...the-police/206

    It's not, or at least it wasn't in 2011, and I don't think it's changed.

    However, if the copper wants to be a dick,. he can claim to be offended by the language used. If it was an insult, then good chance of a public order offence.

    Yeah the law sucks here, but is it really any different in USA? What's gonna happen if you tell a cop to fuck off for no reason? He's gonna be a dick, which might get you arrested on some bollocks that will just get quietly dropped.
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    Yeah the law sucks here, but is it really any different in USA?
    YES!!!!

    We have something called FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Once upon a time some folks wrote down what freedoms American citizens have, and that one was listed FIRST!!!

    You can't slander someone. You can't use your speech to incite violence, riots, or other hysteria (like yelling "fire" in a crowded theater). But if you want to tell a cop that you don't like him....you're free to do so without limitations.

    Furthermore, cops are trained to deal with all kinds of belligerence, therefore the threshold for actionable speech is actually higher than it is for regular people. To wit...

    This case turned on the fact that the Prosecution failed to provide any evidence that the police were offended by a word that, whether we like it or not, is commonplace. They were not used as specific insults to the officers, just as the words themselves. Because of this the Court could not infer that as "robust" police officers, probably used to that sort of language, that any "harassment, alarm or distress" was caused.
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    I don't even care if I can tell a cop to fuck off or not, I'm more bothered by the fact I can't (I use that word in the legal sense) smoke spliffs.

    As for your "freedom of speech", you already made a mockery of that by adding caveats. It's like being told you're free to go where you like... except here.
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    I don't even care if I can tell a cop to fuck off or not, I'm more bothered by the fact I can't (I use that word in the legal sense) smoke spliffs.
    So change the law. That's what we do here in the Land of the Free. Maybe it's not so easy over on Fascist-Island.

    As for your "freedom of speech", you already made a mockery of that by adding caveats. It's like being told you're free to go where you like... except here
    Mockery? No sir. Interpreting 'free speech' as "I can say whatever the fuck I want" is making a mockery of the concept.

    Free speech ensures freedom of opinions, freedom of thought, and freedom to express those thoughts/opinions without prosecution. It's freedom of beliefs, and the verbal sharing of those beliefs. It's NOT a license to insult, defame, slander, harass, or intimidate other people.

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