01-20-2018 11:01 AM
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01-20-2018 11:25 AM
#77
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On this, I was expecting to be upset because I was expecting to see the conservative/libertarian/Trump sides rationalize why the government shouldn't be shut down in spite of those same people liking the shut downs earlier. But I haven't seen much of that. I've seen support for military, which is consistent with what the cons/liberts believe. So, really, there is consistency. The right-wing likes government shut downs for reasons of too much taxing and spending, and the left-wing likes government shut downs for reasons of aiding and abetting crime. |
01-20-2018 11:27 AM
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01-20-2018 12:00 PM
#79
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01-20-2018 12:05 PM
#80
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The most intelligent thought I have on the matter is to question what the collective noun is for a banshee. | |
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01-20-2018 12:25 PM
#81
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I thought the idea with trolling was to get the other person to react emotionally to you, not just point out how vacuous your input was. | |
01-20-2018 12:35 PM
#82
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Monkeys did. | |
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01-20-2018 12:51 PM
#83
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One troll down, next one up to bat. | |
01-20-2018 12:52 PM
#84
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01-20-2018 12:59 PM
#85
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01-20-2018 01:00 PM
#86
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Ok it's like being obnoxious to someone you don't know on the phone then. I still don't see what you get out of it. | |
01-20-2018 01:02 PM
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01-20-2018 01:02 PM
#88
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Well actually it would be "I'm a victim you're a cunt" if we're talking from the left's pov, but yeah. | |
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01-20-2018 01:05 PM
#89
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People are too sensetive. | |
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01-20-2018 01:06 PM
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01-20-2018 01:08 PM
#91
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01-20-2018 01:17 PM
#92
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I don't give a fuck if I get called out for being a cunt. It's hardly breaking news. | |
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01-20-2018 01:29 PM
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01-20-2018 01:33 PM
#94
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Banshee isn't really that much of an insult. You called me a fucking idiot and I didn't get butthurt. | |
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01-20-2018 01:38 PM
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01-20-2018 01:40 PM
#96
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01-20-2018 01:41 PM
#97
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01-20-2018 01:48 PM
#98
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01-20-2018 01:50 PM
#99
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01-20-2018 01:51 PM
#100
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There was a time that I held some radically left wing views. You could probably find many of them by searching through my posts. | |
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01-20-2018 01:59 PM
#101
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Whether or not somebody takes responsibility or blames others really does seem to be a key driver of how they view the world. |
01-20-2018 02:04 PM
#102
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Not every liberal is just trying to get more for themselves. | |
01-20-2018 02:18 PM
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01-20-2018 02:20 PM
#104
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Obviously someone who has an internal focus and thinks they get what they deserve is going to try harder than someone who thinks it's all luck. So the former are, on average, going to be more successful than the latter. | |
01-20-2018 02:33 PM
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This is all true but sort of misses my point. | |
01-20-2018 02:33 PM
#106
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I also still feel the govenrment should run the hospitals, trains, roads, water, energy... so I'm pretty left wing when it comes to economics. | |
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01-20-2018 02:36 PM
#107
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01-20-2018 02:47 PM
#108
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01-20-2018 02:50 PM
#109
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01-20-2018 02:54 PM
#110
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I know some very stupid people. Like 80 IQ or something worse, who are very employable and very employed, that even support families. |
01-20-2018 02:57 PM
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I totally agree. |
01-20-2018 03:04 PM
#112
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In this example, you may be correct in part because you didn't provide any output for the taxes. If the output is something like welfare, it can be the case that Person C is made worse off because of how his behavior (and beliefs) would change when he receives benefits due to the fact that he is in a worse situation. |
01-20-2018 03:05 PM
#113
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01-20-2018 03:05 PM
#114
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01-20-2018 03:05 PM
#115
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I don't say this to make fun, but I was honestly wondering what had happened to you since the last time I was active on FTR. I'm glad to see that you've hopped onto the winning team with this. I was always hoping that you would since you seem like you have a lot to offer the world, but base mindset is a motherfucker. | |
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01-20-2018 03:07 PM
#116
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01-20-2018 03:07 PM
#117
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01-20-2018 03:09 PM
#118
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01-20-2018 03:10 PM
#119
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By prescriptions do you mean how to address the problem? | |
01-20-2018 03:12 PM
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01-20-2018 03:15 PM
#121
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Equality in effort does not mean equality in what's earned or what's deserved. The left does not understand this, largely because of the epidemic of participation trophies and the related victim mentality. | |
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01-20-2018 03:16 PM
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No, because they are cuorrupt and have private interests at heart. So when they do run public services that they would like to privatise, they run them to the ground to given the idea of inefficiency so the people are brainwashed into thinking that private interests will deliver a better service. It might if there was serious competition, but am I going to browse hospitals on the internet before I get my fucked ankle looked at? | |
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01-20-2018 03:17 PM
#123
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So 'blame the person who has less for them having less' is your answer in a nutshell. | |
01-20-2018 03:18 PM
#124
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Yes. |
01-20-2018 03:19 PM
#125
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In this situation, yes. | |
Last edited by spoonitnow; 01-20-2018 at 03:22 PM. | |
01-20-2018 03:19 PM
#126
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01-20-2018 03:22 PM
#127
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By zero-sum, do you mean the argument is stated as if there's only so much wealth to go around? How is this not true? I can see that more wealth can always be generated but not that the amount of extant wealth at point X in time can be altered. Or maybe that's besides the point. | |
01-20-2018 03:23 PM
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I do, but it's incredibly complicated, and I would argue against the need to on a mass scale. However, I think it can be useful on an individual scale. It gets into the topic of benevolent brainwashing, which I wouldn't need to do if someone didn't fill the person's head full of shit in the first place. It's largely outside of the scope of this thread. | |
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01-20-2018 03:24 PM
#129
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Someone just outed themselves. | |
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01-20-2018 03:28 PM
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01-20-2018 03:30 PM
#131
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So what if B gets out of the hospital and gets hit by lightening. Now he can barely afford to pay his first bill and has to sell his house to pay his second one. Meanwhile A is living the high life and sleeping with supermodels. Tough shit? | |
01-20-2018 03:34 PM
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01-20-2018 03:34 PM
#133
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No. The government would have an advantage over small business, just like the corporations do. In fact more so, because they would be in a position to set regulations that suit them without the need for lobbying. | |
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01-20-2018 03:35 PM
#134
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You mean as someone who isn't an economist? I've outted myself on that a hundred times already, you're late to the party mate. | |
01-20-2018 03:35 PM
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01-20-2018 03:37 PM
#136
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01-20-2018 03:39 PM
#137
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If I want to give all my money to a homeless guy, that's my call, right? | |
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01-20-2018 03:40 PM
#138
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Yes. A is under no obligation, moral or otherwise, to pay for B's misfortune. Forcing A to pay for B's misfortune is theft. | |
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01-20-2018 03:41 PM
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01-20-2018 03:42 PM
#140
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01-20-2018 03:44 PM
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If wufwugy is willing to pay me $25 to mow his yard, and I mow their yard for that amount, then I deserve that amount. | |
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01-20-2018 03:47 PM
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01-20-2018 03:48 PM
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01-20-2018 03:55 PM
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01-20-2018 03:56 PM
#145
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Zero-sum is in this case that a gain in resources by one entity means an equal subtraction of resources from another entity. When considered in isolation, people typically probably will correctly point out that the economy is not zero-sum. Yet, many of those same people hold political views that derive from the idea that the economy is zero-sum. We had an example of this just the other day in that gif Jack posted of a suit-and-tie guy taking the oreos. |
01-20-2018 03:57 PM
#146
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Nope, I'm not. I'm using them as an example to illustrate how 'earning' and 'deserving' sound like synonyms, but aren't necessarily synonymous when it comes to income. | |
01-20-2018 04:03 PM
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01-20-2018 04:04 PM
#148
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As long as we're thinking in terms of value. Hard monetary wealth would not change in this case, but yes both parties would be better off. And since monetary wealth is meant as a proxy of better off-ness, you are thinking about it more in terms of the way it should be thought about. |
01-20-2018 04:08 PM
#149
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In a way they did*, but this also shows why it's folly to attempt to organize "earns" and "deserves" by force. |
01-20-2018 04:09 PM
#150
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So basically your argument is that if the lazy ass gets up and does something he will have more wealth and not have to ask the government for it. | |