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What if the English voted to kick them out?
We can't do that. We could vote to leave the UK though.
It's kinda dumb though to make a big deal out of having the right to negotiate worse deals than what we already have, as if that's somehow a benefit of leaving the EU.
I've been trying to leave your "worse" comments alone, because as you are aware, such comments are subjective. The deals we agree might be worse, but they aren't necessarily so. We could, in theory, agree free trade deals with the rest of the world, while dealing with the EU on WTO terms. That's better than what we had. That's not going to be the case though. It looks like we'll have a beneficial economic relationship with the EU, while also now being free to trade with who we like on whatever terms suit us. I wouldn't call that "worse", I'd call that "better". But, like I say, subjective.
It's a weird paradox that you value sovereignty over trade when that means we'll be worse off.
It's not a paradox. I find it baffling that you value economics over sovereignty. I mean, perhaps we'd have been better off letting Hitler defeat us. Should we have allowed it?
And no, I'm not comparing the EU to Nazi Germany. I'm simply using the extreme case to make the point that sovereignty is more important than economics.
It's like doing your own taxes and paying more than if you let your accountant do them because you want to exercise your right to independence.
Perhaps. Or, if you're a competent accountant yourself, you could avoid having to pay some fucker else to do something you're capable of doing yourself.
A lot of other states once decide they had the "right" to leave before, and that didn't go over well. You may have heard of that of that little kerfuffle, but possibly not.
If you're referring to the US civil war, I'm really not well clued up on it. I'm not even going to try and get into it, other than to say that a "nation", which is well defined, has a right to self determination. I appreciate that exercising that right is rarely easy in practise, as we see in Catalonia. 19th century USA is a whole different beast.
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