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  1. #526
    I've changed my mind. I think we should rejoin. I can deal with the economic shock, I can deal with loss of freedom of movement, but I can't deal with us not being able to take a ham fucking sandwich into Holland.
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  2. #527
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    The Tories do feed children. That's what benefits are for
    Agree, but I think this has been forgotten. I gather one big problem is going from a job to receiving benefits takes forever, with people being without any cash for weeks.

    I always have polarised feelings about this kind of stuff. I'd always like to think that free schools, libraries, parks, NHS and the benefit system gives every kid an equal chance. Then I hear about some parents and realise these kids are fucked no matter what. If they are going hungry when we already have a benefits system, something has gone badly wrong somewhere and no personal agency is being applied.
  3. #528
    Quote Originally Posted by bean
    Agree, but I think this has been forgotten. I gather one big problem is going from a job to receiving benefits takes forever, with people being without any cash for weeks.
    This isn't the whole story. Usually there is a delay between applying for benefits and receiving the first payment, up to five weeks, however there are resources available to those who need immediate cash, ie a loan which has to be paid back out of the benefits over a period of time. If someone is literally out of cash for weeks, they're too lazy to apply for the loan, or they're borrowing money off a relative or friend, and then complaining about how terrible the system is on social media.

    The problem I have with this whole "feed the children" system is that it incentivises bad parenting.
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  4. #529
    This has been discussed before, me and poop have argued about this subject in the past. I said it then and I'll say it again. I went hungry at times, I had a terrible stepmom and a father who was either at work, drunk, or at football matches (home and away, every weekend). He either didn't know how awful she was, or didn't care. I'd like to think the former, but I was too young to understand my childhood wasn't normal. Eventually I got taken into care, living in foster homes and children's homes.

    If I could change anything from my childhood, I wouldn't want a fucking banana from the government. I'd want better parents.
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  5. #530
    Scottish fiserhmen fucked by Brexit. #MESA

    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
  6. #531
    It's amusing that the Scottish nationalists don't like being called nationalists.
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  7. #532
    It is, but not as amusing as the fact that Brexit is continuing to screw over the same fishermen it was promoted as being in the interests of.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
  8. #533
    Some Scottish politician with an agenda said so, it must be true.
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  9. #534
    You're right, he's probably making the whole thing up, not relating what one of his constituents wrote to him about. Everything's still rainbows and unicorns.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
  10. #535
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Some Scottish politician with an agenda said so, it must be true.
    This is apparently what objective criticism looks like.

    1. Point out the nationality of the person as a dogwhistle that anyone who isn't the same nationality as me should be treated with suspicion.

    2. Imply that an elected MP is blatantly lying to parliament on an easily checked claim in a cynical effort to gain political points.

    3. Definitely DO NOT take 30sec to look up their claim to see if it's true.


    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-b...-idUSKBN29D0U0
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
  11. #536
    It's what pressing buttons looks like.

    I mean if you want me to be serious here, these kind of transitional hiccups are inevitable. Let me know if this is still a problem in six months when people have had time to adjust, identify problems, and fix them.
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  12. #537
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    It's what pressing buttons looks like.
    They're your words mate. You can't be surprised if people take them at face value.



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I mean if you want me to be serious here, these kind of transitional hiccups are inevitable.
    How is it a "hiccup" if you need paperwork to sell your fish but it takes so long to get the paperwork done that you can no longer sell your fish. "Disaster" seems like a more appropriate word for that to me.



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Let me know if this is still a problem in six months when people have had time to adjust, identify problems, and fix them.
    Don't worry I will. In the meantime, tell me what the fishermen are meant to do - live off their savings?
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
  13. #538
    They're your words mate. You can't be surprised if people take them at face value.
    I saw this guy pop up in my timeline last night because he was moaning about being called a nationalist. He's a miserable Scottish tosser with an agenda. Whether what he says is accurate or not wasn't really a concern for me. But yeah fair enough, I can't expect you guys to know when I'm being serious, trolling, half trolling etc.

    How is it a "hiccup" if you need paperwork to sell your fish but it takes so long to get the paperwork done that you can no longer sell your fish.
    These things will become streamlined over time.

    Don't worry I will. In the meantime, tell me what the fishermen are meant to do - live off their savings?
    Government are helping financially. Whether that help is sufficient is another matter, you'll need to ask a fisherman, but they're putting money into the industry. Like I say, it will take time for things to settle. This is to be expected.
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  14. #539
    Can't argue with this kind of logic.

    https://twitter.com/TobyonTV/status/1349707738583093248

    But, I'm not sure that will keep Scotland in the Union.
    Last edited by Poopadoop; 01-14-2021 at 02:13 PM.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
  15. #540
    "Unsold fish are rotting on docks"

    I dunno why but I read this to the tune of Blame Canada, where Kyle's Mom sings "Times have changed, our kids are getting worse".
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  16. #541
    https://twitter.com/i/events/1349713615612309504

    Over/under on how long it takes them to make the inevitable embarrassing U-turn this time?
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
  17. #542
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    "Unsold fish are rotting on docks"

    I dunno why but I read this to the tune of Blame Canada, where Kyle's Mom sings "Times have changed, our kids are getting worse".
    But they're happy fish, that's the key. They've got their UK passports now. #MESA
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
  18. #543
    I mean what's funny is that people are taking him seriously. He's clearly taking the piss. Whether he should be taking the piss in that environment is a different matter, but if you're going to criticise him, do so for not taking it seriously, rather than him saying fish are happier being British.
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  19. #544
    "Rees-Mogg and all of these Johnson MPs are takin the pis* out of the UK, every last one of them."

    Like this guy.
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  20. #545
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I mean what's funny is that people are taking him seriously. He's clearly taking the piss. Whether he should be taking the piss in that environment is a different matter, but if you're going to criticise him, do so for not taking it seriously, rather than him saying fish are happier being British.
    He's basically saying "lolfishermen. Fuck 'em."

    But hey, glad to see you're keeping things in perspective. Focus on what's important like what some random bozos on twitter say, rather than what Mogg says.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
  21. #546
    It's like you didn't even see the next post I made.
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  22. #547
    I mean I actually agree with that guy whose tweet I quoted. It doesn't matter what Rees-Mogg said, what matters is hes not taking it seriously. He's dismissing the issue, which I do not approve of.

    I couldn't give a fuck about the actual words. He made a fucking joke, a bad one, but it was a joke.
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  23. #548
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    It's like you didn't even see the next post I made.
    I saw it but had no idea what your complaint was, except that some random unknown person on social media said something you didn't approve of.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
  24. #549
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    I saw it but had no idea what your complaint was, except that some random unknown person on social media said something you didn't approve of.
    You've misinterpreted my comment. Try again under the assumption that I approve of that tweet.
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  25. #550
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I mean I actually agree with that guy whose tweet I quoted. It doesn't matter what Rees-Mogg said, what matters is hes not taking it seriously. He's dismissing the issue, which I do not approve of.
    Well yeah, that's the point exactly (mark your calendar, we agreed again). But I don't know why you didn't just say "yeah what a twat" and leave it at that instead of bringing up what some randos were saying about it.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
  26. #551
    Rees Mogg is a twat. There you go.
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  27. #552
    Rumour is there's plans to dump tons of rotting fish on the Parliament lawn. I would definitely love to see the PMQs where Starmer asks Boris "What's that smell?"
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
  28. #553
    You know the EU set out something like $5b to help its fishermen through this "transition period". The UK gave how much again? £100m? £200m? Seems like they really don't care about fishermen do they?
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
  29. #554
    These problems do need to be sorted out. They should already have been to a certain degree. There's a period of adjustment, naturally, so maybe this is just a "hiccup", like I said earlier. Or maybe this is exactly what the future holds. But if we can't sell fish to Europe, then alternative markets need to be sourced. They shouldn't rot. I mean at worst it's cat food. I'm sure Whiskers would buy this fish, just not at the same price that Spain would buy it for humans.

    At this moment in time, my assumption is this is a transitional problem that will be resolved in due course. The length of time it takes to resolve these paperwork issues should become shorter as we adjust. Nobody said it was going to be smooth.
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  30. #555
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    You know the EU set out something like $5b to help its fishermen through this "transition period". The UK gave how much again? £100m? £200m? Seems like they really don't care about fishermen do they?
    So around 3x as much per capita. Is their industry 3x larger than ours per capita? It's easy to point to figures without context. On the surface I'd be inclined to agree that £200m is insufficient, but we'll see if more is forthcoming.
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  31. #556
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Nobody said it was going to be smooth.
    Between you and banana today I haven't laughed this much in a long time.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
  32. #557
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Between you and banana today I haven't laughed this much in a long time.
    Come on dude, don't be insincere. I never suggested it would be smooth. I always anticipated problems as we transition from member state to economic independence.
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  33. #558
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    So around 3x as much per capita.
    Kinda misses the point that it was our idea to leave. That might make one inclined to think we have a greater moral obligation to our fishermen than the EU.

    Or if not, yeah 1/3 the support per capita is still bad enough.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
  34. #559
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Come on dude, don't be insincere. I never suggested it would be smooth. I always anticipated problems as we transition from member state to economic independence.
    You didnt' say "I" you said "Nobody."

    We both know a lot of people said it would be smooth. Don't make me provide the long list of quotes again.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
  35. #560
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    You didnt' say "I" you said "Nobody."

    We both know a lot of people said it would be smooth. Don't make me provide the long list of quotes again.
    Yeah go on, go find someone who literally said the word "smooth". Then I'll argue that the word "nobody" was hyperbole and was intended to mean "very few people".
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  36. #561
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Kinda misses the point that it was our idea to leave. That might make one inclined to think we have a greater moral obligation to our fishermen than the EU.

    Or if not, yeah 1/3 the support per capita is still bad enough.
    Clearly the government need to help prop up the industry while we transition. I don't disagree with this, and I don't believe the figures quoted are sufficient. But what do I know? Maybe the EU are throwing more money than needs be in an attempt to shame the UK. Who knows? £200m is still a lot of money.
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  37. #562
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Yeah go on, go find someone who literally said the word "smooth". Then I'll argue that the word "nobody" was hyperbole and was intended to mean "very few people".
    Reductio ad Ong.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
  38. #563
    You reduce the convo on a regular basis.
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  39. #564
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    You reduce the convo on a regular basis.

    Well you got me there. I guess then nobody said anything about holding all the cards, or an easy transition to frictionless trade, or sunlit uplands, or anything like that. Or if they did, it was only a very few people who happened to be selling it to the rest of you mugs.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
  40. #565
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
  41. #566
    Last edited by Poopadoop; 01-14-2021 at 07:46 PM.
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  42. #567
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  43. #568
    Oops wrong thread.
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  44. #569
    Was never going to be smooth as soon as we were a year from exit and had no deal documented. Then we waited another 360-ish days to make a deal. Fuck knows how much that will cost the UK taxpayer. That said, the company I work for moved quickly in ditching some of their British suppliers and taking deliveries into Heathrow, in favour of mainland Europe. Fair few British jobs lost as a result.

    I've not looked that closely at the deal, but I'm assuming its lipstick on the pig that was the Theresa May deal?
  45. #570
    Quote Originally Posted by The Bean Counter View Post
    I've not looked that closely at the deal, but I'm assuming its lipstick on the pig that was the Theresa May deal?
    It's better than No Deal which would have been a complete disaster. It's only a partial disaster.

    Nothing for free trade of services, which is why all the EU money is leaving London. That's the biggest hit, unless you think London being too prosperous compared to the rest of the country is a problem that needs redressing. This is one way to do that.

    Free trade of goods, but with customs checks and paperwork added on, so basically everything coming in and going out is delayed and effectively "taxed" through increased bureaucracy. And obviously all the just-in-time shipments are going to have to re-jigged, with the exception of perishables which either will have to be sold locally or dumped on the Westminster lawn.

    Also, some stupid rule about VAT having to be paid on exports by the receiver, with documentation, or something stupid like that which makes it even more of a pain in the ass to import from the UK to the EU.

    Level playing field means we don't have to live by EU rules (#MESA), except if we want to keep trading with them.

    Hard border between Eng/Sc/Wales and NI, so NI is effectively in the EU and out of the UK as far as trade goes.

    Some long-term recovery of fishing rights but nowhere to sell them outside of the UK so definitely good for fish stocks. Shipping the fish to China instead probably isn't going to be a viable option.

    Last-minute deal means gov't couldn't give detailed advice on post-Brexit trade to businesses (because they didn't know themselves if/what the Deal would be), so basically told companies to figure it out for themselves. So extra costs for having to do that.
    Last edited by Poopadoop; 01-14-2021 at 09:39 PM.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
  46. #571
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    You know the EU set out something like $5b to help its fishermen through this "transition period". The UK gave how much again? £100m? £200m? Seems like they really don't care about fishermen do they?
    It didn't immediately occur to me, but I've been thinking about this and you know what? This kind of implies that this is worse for the EU than it is for the UK. I mean, the less money we need to prop up the industry, the better, right? If the EU are throwing £5b at their fishing industry, what does that actually tell you? That's the damage Brexit has done to THEIR fishing industry, not ours.
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  47. #572
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    It didn't immediately occur to me, but I've been thinking about this and you know what? This kind of implies that this is worse for the EU than it is for the UK. I mean, the less money we need to prop up the industry, the better, right? If the EU are throwing £5b at their fishing industry, what does that actually tell you? That's the damage Brexit has done to THEIR fishing industry, not ours.
    Either that or they're just more supportive of fishermen than a gov't who lied to them and told them Brexit would be all puppies and rainbows. My money is on the latter, but I suppose time will tell whose fishing industry suffers more.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
  48. #573
    https://twitter.com/aileen_boughen/s...09104056602629

    Dump the fish! Dump the fish! Dump the fish!
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
  49. #574
  50. #575
    WTF? I was promised sunlit uplands, not #BrexitCarnage. Where's my goddamned sunlit uplands?

    https://twitter.com/EuropeanUnity1/s...55962104049666
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
  51. #576
    Has oskar got his bike yet?
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  52. #577
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Has oskar got his bike yet?
    Funny you should ask!
    Has not shipped yet.
    I mailed them twice to fix the billing error two weeks apart. I'll mail them again tomorrow. I looked up the details on how taxation and import works post brexit but there's so much confusing and conflicting information, I gave up.

    I'll ask them nicely to either make sure I don't get taxed twice and don't have to pay import duty, or else to cancel the order.

    The problem is that while UK goods are duty exempt under the free trade agreement, the seller has to provide paperwork to customs that a certain percentage of the sold goods originates from the UK. I'm buying from Dolan and they're using mostly housebrand parts, but who knows where they are manufactured, if that counts as UK manufactured or not and how you would go about calculating a percentage from that.

    In addition to that, having to pay VAT on import means that everything that is imported has to be held up, then customs has to decide what the vat rate is for the product and if import duty needs to be applied, bill the recipient (which happens by mail because they go by invoice) and only then can it leave customs. I know DHL has customs in-house which makes things go faster, but it depends on the carrier.

    And that's for one EU country. Different rules, vat rates and import duty rules for every single EU country, so the seller cannot possibly predict the total price for the customer.

    So even if things smooth out, just the uncertainty of dealing with UK retailers will make it not worth ordering from them until a proper free trade deal is reached or the UK rejoins the EU.
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  53. #578
    Do you like 7-day-old fish? I'm pretty sure we can cut you a deal.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Scottish fiserhmen fucked by Brexit. #MESA

    I haven't seen too much of Boris but if that's the amount of competence on display, I'm not surprised. How hard would it be to just shut this down with platitudes whether or not you have a plan. What possible upside is there to shouting: Well you tried to get out of this mess I put you in and for this show of disloyalty you deserve to be in it!
    Really?
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  55. #580
    Yeah, he's pretty damn hard to take. It's one disaster after another, with the worst covid death rate in the world right now, biggest hit to the economy in the developed world, a shit last-minute Brexit deal, shoveling wheelbarrows full of money to his mates in dodgy contracts, and on and on. The latest scandal is that they, somehow, just accidentally deleted > 400k police records.

    And whenever he gets called out on any of it, he always takes the same gaslighting approach you'd expect from a Britain Trump: "We're doing a great job and you should be thanking us." Fuck me.
    Last edited by Poopadoop; 01-21-2021 at 11:14 AM.
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  56. #581
    Can't wait to hear how this is good for us.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-up-shop-in-eu
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
  57. #582
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Can't wait to hear how this is good for us.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-up-shop-in-eu
    Lots of companies already did this. Think I already mentioned that the company i work for moved printing and shipping to mainland Europe, while diverting deliveries of stock into Heathrow over to Schiphol.

    I sometimes wonder how many people lost their jobs in the UK as a result. Then I wonder how many of those voted for Brexit.
  58. #583
    Yeah, but #MEGA

    https://twitter.com/andreajenkyns/st...96140423335936

    btw, if you're looking for some laughs, Andrea Jenkyns' twitter account is a good place to go. She was wishing Trump gl in the election, telling Boris to "walk away" from the trade talks with the EU, and then a few days later praising him for making a "great deal."

    lololololololol
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