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Originally Posted by poop
By having POC in the leadership race, the Tories are the "but I have a black friend, I can't be a racist" party.
This is absolutely ridiculous. If the Conservative party were truly racist, then no way in hell would they let a black man come close to the leadership.
That's fair, but on the flip side, citation needed to demonstrate "speaking out" actually does good.
What does reduce racism is legislation, and we have plenty of that.
I'd be surprised if race didn't impact at least some of their thinking on who should be PM.
I don't doubt it, I agree that there are some racist Tory voters. But if the Labour Party also had a leadership battle between a white person and a black person, then we could say exactly the same. At least some Labour voters would be hesitant to vote in a black man. That's because when you have a large number of people, you're going to have assholes.
Are there more racist Tory voters than Labour voters? Probably. Are there more anti-Semite Labour voters than Tory voters? Probably. In both cases it's a small percentage and highly unlikely to influence the outcome of an election.
Had. Corbyn is no longer leader. Starmer's cleaned out the anti-semites and sent them packing. Now he just needs to get rid of the communists.
I'm glad you think so. I could never even tell if it was genuine anti-Semitism or simply legitimate criticism of Israeli foreign policy. Big difference between the two. But I do not believe for one minute that Starmer has waved his magic wand and removed anti-Semites from the Labour Party. More likely he's removed Corbyn allies under the pretence of anti-Semitism. But I could be wrong.
Worryingly but not surprisingly, since it's somehow popular with Tory voters.
I'm not sure how anyone can support a policy that forcibly relocates non-Rwandans to Rwanda, how that makes any moral sense is beyond me. I can somewhat understand apathy, in that people don't care enough for it to be a deal breaker, but to actually support it is something else.
Right, but your relatives aren't sucking up for jobs in a cabinet, the MPs are. That was my point.
For sure, but all the sucking up in the world doesn't guarantee a favourable result for the preferred candidate. When the final decision rests with the Tory members, then politicians who suck up to either candidate are basically taking a career gamble. It certainly isn't an indication of the final result.
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