*** OFFICIAL BREXIT SUNLIT UPLANDS and #MEGA THREAD ***

[Poopadoop]

I'd expect our fruit and veg to be mostly coming from the Southern Hemisphere on cargo ships, but perhaps I'm wrong. Maybe there's huge hydroponic farms in France where our cabbage comes from.

I'm not surprised you have no clue about this, but they can still grow fruit and veg in S. Europe during the winter. That's where a lot of it comes from.

Also, just to remind you for the umpteenth time, all the current trade deals we have apart from with Japan (and I think the Ivory Coast) are through the EU. After Dec. 31st, those deals are gone and we'll have a no-deal arrangement with those countries too.

But don't worry, I'm sure Boris will make sure the paperwork's all organised and ready to go in the customs houses, once he hires a few thousand people to fill them. I'm confident he's working night and day on it, like he does on everything important.

[OngBonga]

I'm not surprised you have no clue about this, but they can still grow fruit and veg in S. Europe during the winter. That's where a lot of it comes from.

Also, just to remind you for the umpteenth time, all the current trade deals we have apart from with Japan (and I think the Ivory Coast) are through the EU. After Dec. 31st, those deals are gone and we'll have a no-deal arrangement with those countries too.

Not according to the UK govt website.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/uk-trade...n-eu-countries

Trade agreements that have been signed


Agreements with the following countries and trading blocs are expected to take effect when existing EU trade agreements no longer apply to the UK, from 1 January 2021.

Country or bloc Total UK trade with countries, 2019 (£ million) (1)


Andean countries (2) 2,876
Canada 22,418
CARIFORUM trade bloc 3,046
Central America 1,411
Chile 2,171
Côte d’Ivoire 398
Eastern and Southern Africa (ESA) trade bloc  1,569
Egypt   3,503
Faroe Islands 293
Georgia 183
Iceland and Norway 26,747
Israel 5,014
Jordan 548
Kenya (3) 1,407
Kosovo 10
Lebanon 849
Liechtenstein 159
Mexico 5,254
Morocco 2,251
North Macedonia 1,774
Pacific states 196
Palestinian Authority 9
Singapore 17,636
South Korea 11,777
Southern Africa Customs Union and Mozambique (SACUM) trade bloc 11,875
Switzerland 37,063
Tunisia 561
Ukraine 1,566
Vietnam (Agreement in principle) 5,706


Trade agreements still in discussion
The following agreements are still under discussion with countries where there are existing EU trade agreements in place.

Country or bloc Status of discussions
Albania Engagement ongoing
Algeria (1) Engagement ongoing, agreement will not be in place for 1 January 2021. Trade expected to take place under WTO terms (Generalised Scheme of Preferences for imports).
Bosnia and Herzegovina (1) Engagement ongoing, agreement will not be in place for 1 January 2021. Trade expected to take place under WTO terms.
Cameroon Engagement ongoing
Ghana Engagement ongoing
Moldova Engagement ongoing
Montenegro Engagement ongoing, agreement will not be in place for 1 January 2021. Trade expected to take place under WTO terms.
Serbia (1) Engagement ongoing, agreement will not be in place for 1 January 2021. Trade expected to take place under WTO terms.
Turkey Engagement ongoing

[Poopadoop]

Trade agreements that have been signed

Andean countries (2) 2,876
Canada 22,418
CARIFORUM trade bloc 3,046
Central America 1,411
Chile 2,171
Côte d’Ivoire 398
Eastern and Southern Africa (ESA) trade bloc  1,569
Egypt   3,503
Faroe Islands 293
Georgia 183
Iceland and Norway 26,747
Israel 5,014
Jordan 548
Kenya (3) 1,407
Kosovo 10
Lebanon 849
Liechtenstein 159
Mexico 5,254
Morocco 2,251
North Macedonia 1,774
Pacific states 196
Palestinian Authority 9
Singapore 17,636
South Korea 11,777
Southern Africa Customs Union and Mozambique (SACUM) trade bloc 11,875
Switzerland 37,063
Tunisia 561
Ukraine 1,566
Vietnam (Agreement in principle) 5,706

lol, what a sad list.

Half of our trade is with the EU. They're not on that list. Neither is China, nor the US, nor any of the countries we do 90% of our trade with. Even if all of those deals were for free trade (not some shitty deal we had to beg to get like with Japan), we'd still be fucked in 90% of the world.

But hey, don't worry we'll grow our own oranges and maybe Oskar will buy all our bicycles.

[oskar]

But hey, don't worry we'll grow our own oranges and maybe Oskar will buy all our bicycles.

Yeah, about that.

I'm getting a bit nervous. I was hoping they would ship before 2021... they did not. I probably have to pay import tax and vat which could be up to 30%... but I already paid VAT in the UK which I shouldn't have if they ship after today. That's the smaller problem. The bigger issue is that going through customs takes an eternity. I've had items held up for over a month in the past. You have to get the GPB well below €1 for this to be remotely worth it.

I assumed there would be a free trade agreement, but no. This is bad.

[Poopadoop]

I assumed there would be a free trade agreement.

Well, there is. But there's all kinds of paperwork and documentation they need to fill out to ship EU <-> UK now. I don't think you should have to pay any duties.

OTOH, you might not get your bike until 2025.

[oskar]

I also found out that import tax on bicycles specifically from China into the EU is 48%!
Also sports goods are 4%, but bicycles are 15%... dunno what's up with that.