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  1. #2101
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    This is nerve wracking. Imagine being on one of those planes. I'd be shitting myself lol.

    https://twitter.com/caitlinmoran/sta...29621425442827
    Fuck that. Heathrow will be closed soon, that's the very limit of safe aviation.
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  2. #2102
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Not actually been to this region of the country, but it looks nice. Closest I've been to this area is Winchester or Portsmouth. On the rare occasion I go to London, I approach through Milton Keynes, so miss your area by quite a distance.
    There's some nice countryside around here for sure. You should come visit next time.

    This is Black Down, about 20 min from where I live.

    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  3. #2103
    Yeah very nice. We have forest like this around Ludlow, superb views from the hills. I've been to the New Forest, which is a really special place, but you seem to be a little more East. That's a great place to take the dog for a walk though.
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  4. #2104
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Fuck that. Heathrow will be closed soon, that's the very limit of safe aviation.
    Not sure how to post the video starting at a particular time, but if you go to the landing at about 9.10 am a Finnair plane almost bites it.

    This is the best TV show I've ever watched.

    Edit: 9.07 to be exact. Probably should just look at the clock on the video next time.
    Last edited by Poopadoop; 02-18-2022 at 07:05 AM.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  5. #2105
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Yeah very nice. We have forest like this around Ludlow, superb views from the hills. I've been to the New Forest, which is a really special place, but you seem to be a little more East. That's a great place to take the dog for a walk though.
    Yeah I love New Forest. It's kinda like being in a time machine with all the ponies wandering around.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  6. #2106
    The horses roaming wild was what struck me about New Forest, it definitely felt like another country. We get plenty of sheep roaming wild, I'm right next to Clee Hill which has tons of sheep roaming, but wild horses are extremely rare. It's really nice to see them in a natural environment instead of carrying some twat chasing a fox, or some twat policing a football match, or running around a track for twats to bet on.
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  7. #2107
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    We get plenty of sheep roaming wild, I'm right next to Clee Hill which has tons of sheep roaming
    You get wild sheep, really? So they're never shorn and walk around with 50 lbs of wool on them?


    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    It's really nice to see them in a natural environment instead of carrying some twat chasing a fox, or some twat policing a football match, or running around a track for twats to bet on.
    Plenty of people wander around here on horseback as well, which is fine imo. Thankfully my dog doesn't give a shit about horses, but I still put him on the lead when one comes around us. You can never be sure when a horse is going to freak out.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  8. #2108
    You get wild sheep, really? So they're never shorn and walk around with 50 lbs of wool on them?
    Well, semi-wild. They're owned by farmers, but they roam free on common land. When you go up Clee Hill, as you reach the top you have to go over a cattle grid, and then you're on the open common where you have to drive with caution because the sheep are free to walk on the road, and they do.

    They do get shorn, and presumably the lambs get turned into lovely juicy meat.
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  9. #2109
    I'm pretty sure all the adult sheep are ewes, too. Rams are utter bastards and can't be left to roam where people drive, walk and gather. Rams do not fear humans, and they just love ramming into things like people and cars.
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  10. #2110
    This is what happens when you leave a punching bag hanging in the woods where rams roam...

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  11. #2111
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Well, semi-wild. They're owned by farmers, but they roam free on common land.
    We call that a "ranch" where I come from. Maybe not the commons part, but defo the free-roaming part.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  12. #2112
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    This is what happens when you leave a punching bag hanging in the woods where rams roam...
    Pretty much all male mammals are dicks imo.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  13. #2113
    Well, the storm doesn't seem to have made it here really. Pretty windy, but not "topple things and knock over people" type of windy.

    Also, did you notice that Eunice = EU nice? Goddamn remoaner weathermen! Can't wait for the DM to get hold of this one.
    Last edited by Poopadoop; 02-18-2022 at 09:18 AM.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  14. #2114
    Apparently, 122 mph gusts measured at Isle of Wight, which is just under 200 kph, and is the strongest gust ever recorded in England. Most coastal places around 80 mph, which is obviously a severe gale, but winds we see fairly regularly.

    We call that a "ranch" where I come from. Maybe not the commons part, but defo the free-roaming part.
    I guess the main difference is ranches are privately owned, while common land is exactly that... common. The sheep on the hill belong to multiple farmers, they are all sprayed with a number to identify which farmer they belong to. Since the land is common, ramblers are perfectly entitled to go for walks, and since it's a locally dominant hill, it offers fantastic views as far as Birmingham to the east and Wales to the west. So it gets a fair few visitors.

    Presumably, if I were to go walking on a ranch in Canada or USA, I'd incur the wrath of the landowner.
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    30 mph winds will rearrange your outdoor furniture. That's about as strong as they get in St Louis. Occasional gusts above that, but nothing sustained. I can't really imagine 100 mph winds. Like looking out the window and seeing some bit of garbage casually whipping past as fast as an MLB pitcher's fast ball. I don't even think I want windows at that point.

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    Almost every ranch in the US is going to have clearly delineated, fenced borders. Any roads will go around the ranch / between separately fenced fields. The rancher's animals do not leave the fence unless something is broken, which is a hassle for the rancher, or the rancher is moving the herd.

    Likewise, if you trespass into that rancher's fields, they will probably not like that. Even if you're just passing through, if your presence even remotely spooks their livestock, they'll have words. They're within their rights to call the police to have you arrested for trespassing. The police may just tell you not to do that again, instead of arresting you, though.


    The notion of livestock on public land in the US doesn't feel right to me. Like... if just 1 animal injures just 1 person, there's gonna be a lawsuit, and insurance claims, and that shit is expensive, so the whole "livestock near idiots who do not know how to behave around animals" thing would have to get shut down.
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  16. #2116
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Presumably, if I were to go walking on a ranch in Canada or USA, I'd incur the wrath of the landowner.
    Depends on who owns it. Can't speak for the US, but most farmers and ranchers in Canada are pretty chilled. You can generally even hunt on their land without asking, as long as you're not bothering their crops or livestock. If they don't want you there, they just ask you nicely to leave. But most farms and ranches on the prairies are pretty big so unlikely they'll come across you anyways.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  17. #2117
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Apparently, 122 mph gusts measured at Isle of Wight, which is just under 200 kph, and is the strongest gust ever recorded in England.
    Yeah, that's out of order. Even in Lethbridge I don't think we ever had that.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  18. #2118
    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Almost every ranch in the US is going to have clearly delineated, fenced borders.
    Yeah I don't think there is anything like a commons in Canada either. Maybe an arrangement where two or three neighbouring ranchers share access to each other's land if they're raising different kinds of animals, but nothing where any old person can just go and take his livestock to graze.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  19. #2119
    I think the notion of common land is really, really old in England. Back in the day, when Kings and Nobles owned most of the land, peasants were given rights to certain stretches of land for grazing. These rights have never been revoked, so people still take advantage.

    As for lawsuits, I guess this is why we don't have rams on commons. The only danger a ewe poses is to cars, and drivers are warned of the dangers and legally required to drive with due care and attention, so it's extremely rare for any injury to happen, and even rarer for the person injured to not be to blame. I don't think we have cows on common land, even though they are docile animals, probably because they are large and pose a serious danger to cars and even humans on occasion. New Forest has horses, but I believe this is the only common in the country where horses are allowed to roam, though I could be wrong. I certainly remember lots of signs warning of horses when I was there.

    They're within their rights to call the police to have you arrested for trespassing.
    lol "arrested for trespass", that's an amusing concept to me. Trespass here is a civil offence, not something you can be arrested for (except in specific cases, ie railways, military bases etc). With that said, if you're trespassing on a farmer's land, and bothering his livestock, he's within his rights to fire a shotgun from a distance, and if you threaten the farmer himself, he's going to unload that shotty from closer range. That can get messy legally, and sometimes does, but usually the law sides with the farmer unless he's acted recklessly.
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  20. #2120
    There was a farmer who shot dead two burglars as they tried to flee from his house. He went through legal hell before finally being cleared. The fact they were trying to flee made it a very complex case, and it dragged on for years, seriously affecting the mental health of the farmer. He was hailed a hero by a large number of people who feel that homeowners should have the right to defend their property against thieves. I happen to agree. If you are a burglar, it's a risky career choice and you take the consequences when they come, whether that be jail or a shotgun wound.
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  21. #2121
    30 mph winds will rearrange your outdoor furniture. That's about as strong as they get in St Louis. Occasional gusts above that, but nothing sustained. I can't really imagine 100 mph winds. Like looking out the window and seeing some bit of garbage casually whipping past as fast as an MLB pitcher's fast ball. I don't even think I want windows at that point.
    30mph is merely "windy" here. On exposed coasts and hills, this would be an almost daily occurrence. Inland, it's not nearly so regular, but still nothing that would generate weather warnings. These wind storms we've had the last few days, they aren't too common, maybe three or four a year, but again, nothing we're not used too. Trampolines and wheelie bins are the usual casualties when we get gales.
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  22. #2122
    This current storms seems exceptional, it doesn't seem like it to me but I think we largely missed it here. It was certainly very windy today, with trees uprooted locally, but there's no damage to our property that I'm aware of. If it was coming from the east I'd be a lot more concerned, we're exposed in that direction. This storm is probably a once-a-decade storm, while the one we had two days ago was a three-times-a-year storm.
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  23. #2123
    wtaf is this? Cruella Patel not satisfied with being nasty to brown refugees anymore?

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2022567.html
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
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  25. #2125
    It's incredible how every single person in the UK gov't cabinet is either a raging idiot, a complete douchebag, or both.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...-back-26341016

    It's actually against the law for a British citizen to go fight in a war in which the UK is not involved. Good one, Liz.


    Some local councillor also put up a tweet with a picture of Boris talking to a couple soldiers in a UK army camp, and the caption read "BORIS IN THE FRONT LINES." Had no idea the war had come to our little island.

    https://twitter.com/LarglenLarry/sta...61441479041025
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  26. #2126
    The economic effects of Brexit just went from -4% to -3.999% of GDP. Suck it Eurolibtards!


    Last edited by Poopadoop; 02-28-2022 at 11:52 AM.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  27. #2127
    Making us proud: Tory MP argues for not allowing Ukrainian refugees into his county of Lincolnshire, which is basically in the middle of nowhere. "We're full."

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/s...97473216421893
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  28. #2128
    Tories having a hard time of it these days. Late and behind the rest of Europe on sanctioning Russian oligarchs (while pretending to be "leading the way,") while at the same time not wanting to offend some of their biggest donors.

    https://twitter.com/AndrewPRLevi/sta...71482487615506
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  29. #2129
    Here Ong, since you're so keen to find a conspiracy somewhere, sink your teeth into this.

    https://twitter.com/RhonddaBryant/st...09971059154946

    Why does the UK make such feeble attempts to punish Russian oligarchs? Why are they giving them 30 days to clear their bank accounts, while the EU is seizing their yachts? Why did Boris make a Russian oligarch a Lord?

    Is it because the oligarchs keep donating money to the Tory party? Is there Kompromat?
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  30. #2130
    Quote Originally Posted by poop
    Is it because the oligarchs keep donating money to the Tory party? Is there Kompromat?
    Yes. The UK, much like Germany and many other countries, are neck deep in Russia's dirty money.

    The whole world is corrupt poop. It's just some are better at hiding it than others.
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  31. #2131
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Yes. The UK, much like Germany and many other countries, are neck deep in Russia's dirty money.
    Evidence that Germany and many other countries are neck deep in Russian money? And if so, why are they being so much harder on oligarchs than us?



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    The whole world is corrupt poop.
    Total oversimplification here. Don't make me bring up Starmer giving land to his mum for a donkey sanctuary again.



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Some are a LOT more corrupt than others.
    fyp
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  32. #2132
    Quote Originally Posted by poop
    Evidence that Germany and many other countries are neck deep in Russian money?
    You do know where Germany gets its gas from, right? There's a reason they were slow to send weapons to Ukraine, offering a handful of helmets at first. Germany will be the hardest hit economy in Europe if things continue to deteriorate.

    Maybe you live in a world where Germany buys gas off Russia and it's all above board, receipts and everything, no dirty handshakes, no stuffed briefcases, no politics, just straight up business. That's a world where energy is not the most corrupted sector in global economics. That's not the world I live in.

    Why does Germany buy gas off Russia? Why would they allow that dependency to happen in the first place? I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest that someone might have taken a bung somewhere along the way.

    That's how the world works.

    fyp
    There's a direct relationship between how corrupt someone is, and how much power they have. If someone is more corrupt than another person, it's because they have more power. Give someone more power, and they become more corrupt. People get into power because they are corrupt. Power and corruption are deeply entwined.
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  33. #2133
    #MEGA

    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  34. #2134
    Cruella Patel at the refugee center.

    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  35. #2135
    Ukrainians view the UK and Boris more favourably than the EU, NATO and USA.

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  36. #2136
    Probably because we've been training their military since 2015, but we probably need to ask them again in a "People's Vote" just to be sure they understood the question properly.
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  37. #2137
    Apparently they have a very favourable rating of Boris Johnson.

    Maybe they just think it's really cool to have a comedian as your PM.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  38. #2138
    Maybe they should have another vote after they find out how many refugees we're taking.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  39. #2139
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Maybe they should have another vote after they find out how many refugees we're taking.
    I'm going to go out on a limb and say they respect out posture with regards Russia, compared with an EU that has allowed its biggest country to become utterly reliant on Russian gas. Given Ukraine has a high number of nationalists, they might even respect the British for putting our own national interests first.
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  40. #2140
    We should train them to fill out our 9 page visa application form.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  41. #2141
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  42. #2142
    When hardly anyone goes, maybe you'll realise that patriotism isn't really that much of a motivating factor for the bulk of Brexit voters.

    Yes, this is a waste of money.
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  43. #2143
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  44. #2144
    I read that story yesterday and couldn't really tell if racism was a genuine factor or if it's just "omg she's black" kneejerk outrage.

    “Having considered the context of the incident, the views of those engaged in the review and the impact felt by Child Q and her family, racism (whether deliberate or not) was likely to have been an influencing factor in the decision to undertake a strip search.”
    This quote here is important with regards to this discussion.
    "whether deliberate or not".

    The implication is that the alleged racism is systemic, and not the motivation of the individual. But if this were the case, if there was a serious problem with systemic racism in the UK police, stories like this would be happening all the time. I can't ever remember a black schoolgirl getting strip searched making the news. This is rare, as best I can tell. So rare that I doubt we could get a large enough sample size to draw any conclusions. I mean, surely white schoolgirls occasionally get strip searched too. Surely on the rare occasion, proper procedure is not followed.

    Is this really racism? Or just terrible policing? I can't tell.
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  45. #2145
    How many teenage white girls have been subjected to a vaginal search for marijuana in a school? I'm guessing it's zero, or we would have heard about it.

    Granted, you can't prove it was allowed to happen chiefly because she was black, so the racism-deniers like you will always have an out. But at the very least, it ain't a good look.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  46. #2146
    Overall, the Met police seem to be shit in a lot of ways. Some protestors occupy a Russian oligarch's empty mansion in London? Better send a dozen police vans. Some regular person's house gets burgled? No time for that.

    Add to that the cozy way they're playing the whole partygate thing. Regular people break lockdown rules one time? Throw the book at them. Boris and his mates do it over and over? Let's do our best to ignore it until public pressure gets too much, and then send them a questionnaire to fill out. How many people accused of a crime get to fill out a questionnaire in their own good time? Wtf kind of policing is that?

    A group of women protest the murder of another woman by a cop? Get in there and start busting heads. Right-wing anti-vaxxers hold a mass protest? Ah, leave 'em alone.

    And for a police force that supposedly has no problems with racism, there sure seem to be a lot of incidents where the victim of police misconduct just happens to have brown skin.


    The biggest problem the cops have is the kind of person the job attracts. Authoritarians, racists, low IQ types, and people who get their orgasms from having power over others.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  47. #2147
    Quote Originally Posted by poop
    Overall, the Met police seem to be shit in a lot of ways. Some protestors occupy a Russian oligarch's empty mansion in London? Better send a dozen police vans. Some regular person's house gets burgled? No time for that.
    You're not going to find any argument from me when it comes to the ineffectiveness of policing.

    racism-deniers like you will always have an out.
    The UK is one of the most tolerant countries in the world. Law actually protects people from racism. And the police actively investigate racist hate crimes. The police have gone woke. These cops who did this search will probably be hung out to dry. Rightfully so by the sounds of it, assuming it's factual that correct procedure was not followed. Proving that is easy. Proving racist intent by the cops is less easy. It might be individual racism, I don't deny that exists. But this idea of systemic racism is outdated in the UK. Are there still some bad apples in high position? Sure. Is corruption a problem in moving these people aside? Probably. But the general direction the police is taking should, at least from a racism point of view, be something you are happy to see. TikTok videos of them dancing and painting rainbows on their police cars, kneeling for BLM, all that kind of stuff, we seem to be at the point where the police take racism as a crime more seriously than burglary.

    Everything I see from the US police force shows me there are actual problems with racism there. I don't see any similarities between the USA and UK police forces. Not in structure, not in methods, not in individuals.

    This is one of the problems with left wing thinking for me. Always looking for victims, always looking for something to be outraged about. And then when a story that should have stayed private for the privacy and dignity of the victim goes public, it's gleefully paraded as an example of racism.

    You're going to have to show this is not a sample size of one. Otherwise, we can no more assume it's racism than paedophilia.
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  48. #2148
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    This is one of the problems with left wing thinking for me. Always looking for victims, always looking for something to be outraged about.
    Unlike all those rational, cool-headed people on the right who lose their shit every time a dinghy washes up on shore.

    Both sides like to show outrage, they just do it over different things.




    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    The UK likes to tout itself as one of the most tolerant countries in the world.
    Have you noticed how there's 100k people signing up to host Ukrainian refugees, the gov't having set up a special scheme for that?

    How many people are hosting Syrian refugees in their homes? Afgans? Would they be allowed to even if they wanted to?

    I wonder what the difference is there.

    When the UK starts treating people of different colours the same, you can start boasting. I'm not saying there aren't places worse than us, but we're no shining beacon of tolerance.




    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    And then when a story that should have stayed private for the privacy and dignity of the victim goes public
    Don't recall seeing her name mentioned anywhere.




    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    it's gleefully paraded as an example of racism.
    "Gleefull?" I don't recall anyone acting like they were happy this happened to this girl...




    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    You're going to have to show this is not a sample size of one. Otherwise, we can no more assume it's racism than paedophilia.
    Like I said, if it's not racism it's a curious coincidence that it's a black person this happened to. Goes along with quite a few other curious coincidences.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  49. #2149
    Fuck me, the left likes to be outraged.

    I mean you only need to compare the front pages of the Guardian and the Daily Mail on any given day to see which one contains all the hysterical headlines.

    Edit: Case in point.





    "Arrrggghhh, someone took down a picture of the Queen!"
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    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  50. #2150
    Speaking of victims, I hope this guy manages to find a decent supermarket instead of all these goddamn woke ones that are trying to ruin his Easter.


    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  51. #2151
    Someone's been reading the Daily Mail.

    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  52. #2152
    This is the guy running our economy. A millionairre married to a billionairre. Has no idea how money works.

    https://twitter.com/LMAsaysno/status...46178096046087
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  53. #2153
    Oh the humanity!



    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
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    I've eaten plenty of stuff I can't even pronounce.
    I don't care what you call it.

    Is it good food?
    I really don't care what it's called if it's good.
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  55. #2155
    Wait until they rebrand "tea" because it upsets people who identity as a letter of the alphabet other than T.
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  56. #2156
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Wait until they rebrand "tea" because it upsets people who identity as a letter of the alphabet other than T.
    Followed immediately by DM headline about "Queen Victoria rolling over in her grave as outraged public reacts to wokism gone mad on British values." or some shit.

    If they're getting that upset about someone renaming a sandwich...
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Wait until they rebrand "tea" because it upsets people who identity as a letter of the alphabet other than T.
    You mean the way the British rebranded chai into tea?
    You can find any pattern you want to any level of precision you want, if you're prepared to ignore enough data.
  58. #2158
    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    You mean the way the British rebranded chai into tea?
    If they try to change our tea, next they'll want to change our curry! It's wokies trying to destroy our culture. Arrrrgggghhh!
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  59. #2159
    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    You mean the way the British rebranded chai into tea?
    How do you pronounce chai?
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  60. #2160
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Followed immediately by DM headline about "Queen Victoria rolling over in her grave as outraged public reacts to wokism gone mad on British values." or some shit.

    If they're getting that upset about someone renaming a sandwich...
    People are stubborn. People don't like being told they have to change the words they've been using all their life, at least not without good reason.

    This is a silly reason. It's a fucking ploughman's lunch. Nobody is going to start calling it a ploughperson's lunch, and nobody should have been offended in the first place. This appeals to nobody and fixes no wrongdoing of any sort. It's not like asking people to stop saying gollywog and just say golly or gollydoll. That actually offends people. Who the fuck gets offended by ploughman's lunch? These kind of people need a good fucking kicking, quite frankly. Kick some sense into them.

    Alright maybe that's a bit much. Will Smith style slaps.
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  61. #2161
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    People are stubborn. People don't like being told they have to change the words they've been using all their life, at least not without good reason.

    This is a silly reason. It's a fucking ploughman's lunch. Nobody is going to start calling it a ploughperson's lunch, and nobody should have been offended in the first place. This appeals to nobody and fixes no wrongdoing of any sort. It's not like asking people to stop saying gollywog and just say golly or gollydoll. That actually offends people. Who the fuck gets offended by ploughman's lunch? These kind of people need a good fucking kicking, quite frankly. Kick some sense into them.

    Alright maybe that's a bit much. Will Smith style slaps.
    You seem a bit outraged. Guess that goes with being a righty.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  62. #2162
    No, outrage is a lefty thing. Outrage at the word "man". I just like to rant, that's not the same as being outraged.

    Don't you find it ridiculous? I don't even care that much, I don't like ploughman's lunch, I don't want onion and pickle on my sandwich tyvm. It's not like this affects me. Rather, I see it as a symptom of society slowly going insane. I really don't know why people have to do this kind of thing.

    Who is offended by it? Are you?
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  63. #2163
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    No, outrage is a lefty thing.
    Someone forgot to tell the Daily Mail that.



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Who is offended by it?
    DM readers, apparently. Or at least that's what the DM wants them to be.




    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Are you?
    I couldn't care less what they call it. What I find interesting is that the most-read newspaper in the country dedicates a page to reporting the wording of one sandwich on the menu of one pub in Devon, and attaches the words "Fury" and "woke" to it.

    I wonder "Who gets furious about this one item on one menu of one pub in Devon?" Then I read the comments and apparently some people are furious. I have no idea why it's such a big deal to them. Is it because the DM tells them it should be a big deal? Are they that easily led? Or, are they really that upset because it actually threatens them in some way? And if so, how? What is it about how this one pub in Devon changed the name of one sandwich that they feel is representative of some devastating fact about the country as a whole?
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
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    It's just a name. Names are made up. People tell us what names to call them and we do.
    People make things and give them names and tell us what those things are called.

    It's all just nonsense to get ideas from one meatsack mind into another.

    It's just random mouth sounds to indicate thoughts. Different languages show that there's no actual meaning in any of it. It's just social conceit that certain mouth sounds mean certain ideas.


    I understand the feeling of "why do words have to change once I've already learned them?" but this is not that, either. It's not other words changing that triggers people. It's gender words changing. That's interesting and not immediately explainable to me.

    No one could deny the long historical tradition of treating women as less than equals to men in many if not all manners. The current social recognition and sensitivity to that legacy is probably just a transitional period as we (hopefully) move into a more open and accepting society in general.

    It is stupid to change the name of a sandwich as a socio-political statement, but that happens all the time. I don't see why this one particular issue seems to charge people up so much.
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  65. #2165
    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    People tell us what names to call them and we do.
    In that case, I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
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    Mind if I just call you poopy for short?
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  67. #2167
    Quote Originally Posted by poop
    What I find interesting is that the most-read newspaper in the country...
    I used to read the Sun. Not for any political reason, but because it was 20p or some shit, and they had good football coverage. Most people buy newspapers so they have something to read on the way to work, or on their break. Most people who buy the Sun don't read it all. Back when I bought it, unless there was important news happening, I'd immediately check the page three girl out, then straight to the back page. Read the football, scan any other sports I'm interested in, do the crossword, laugh at my horoscope, amuse myself further with the agony aunt page, that's pretty much it. I didn't give a fuck what was in the front half of the newspaper, I'd only read that if I had nothing else to do and was bored, like on a train journey.

    I don't think all that many people buy the Daily Mail because they agree with their politics. People buy it because it's cheap and easy reading.

    You seem to think that DM readers all, almost in their entirety, are far-right thick-as-pigshit dribblers, and if the DM say something, everyone who reads it agrees. That's crazy thinking.

    I wonder "Who gets furious about this one item on one menu of one pub in Devon?" Then I read the comments and apparently some people are furious. I have no idea why it's such a big deal to them. Is it because the DM tells them it should be a big deal? Are they that easily led? Or, are they really that upset because it actually threatens them in some way? And if so, how? What is it about how this one pub in Devon changed the name of one sandwich that they feel is representative of some devastating fact about the country as a whole?
    I think there's an element of not wanting to let the woke twats get their way. Some people do see it as a threat. People don't want to be constantly having to change their language because what used to be inoffensive is now offensive. People have enough going on in their lives without having to worry about upsetting people by asking for a sandwich in a bigoted way. And people think that if you let them get away with the minor things, it slowly amounts to social engineering.

    I couldn't care less what they call it.
    Do you not find it ridiculous that they specifically changed the name of a traditional English dish from man to person so as to be more inclusive? Does this not strike you as a bizarre thing to do? Honest question. I understand why you think those who get angry about this are twats. I largely agree with you. Do you think these pub owners are twats?
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  68. #2168
    Quote Originally Posted by mojo
    It is stupid to change the name of a sandwich as a socio-political statement, but that happens all the time. I don't see why this one particular issue seems to charge people up so much.
    poop is probably right that rag-media like the DM whip up a certain level of hysteria about it. Again, not a left/right thing, all papers do this because they have to report something otherwise they might as well just sell printer paper. But this specific example, nobody gives a fuck about it until it's news. I didn't need to know about it. If I went to the pub and saw "Ploughperson's Lunch" on the menu, I'd laugh, and if I wanted to order it, I'd ask for a Ploughman's Lunch because I'm not playing their silly game. But I'm not going to kick up a fuss.

    I don't think we say "barman" that much any more but we have "bartender" which isn't silly. I think the word "groundsperson" is fairly common these days without causing a stink. But this isn't changing a job title, this is changing a tradition. That irks people more.
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  69. #2169
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I don't think all that many people buy the Daily Mail because they agree with their politics. People buy it because it's cheap and easy reading.
    You think it's easy to read about Fury over woke sandwiches? I think it's so stupid it gives me a headache.



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    You seem to think that DM readers all, almost in their entirety, are far-right thick-as-pigshit dribblers, and if the DM say something, everyone who reads it agrees. That's crazy thinking.
    Where did you get that? But, like I said, read the comments on the story. Where there's smoke, there's fire. They don't have those stories in a joking way. They do it because some portion of their readership is so prone to get angry about nothing that it seems to be their life goal.



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I think there's an element of not wanting to let the woke twats get their way.
    That's kind of spiteful and petty though, don't you think.



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Some people do see it as a threat. People don't want to be constantly having to change their language because what used to be inoffensive is now offensive. People have enough going on in their lives without having to worry about upsetting people by asking for a sandwich in a bigoted way. And people think that if you let them get away with the minor things, it slowly amounts to social engineering.
    The world's going to change whether people like it or not. The fact they're making a big deal over a sandwich isn't going to stop others. In fact, I bet some of them will do it just for the same reason you don't want them to do it, out of spite and pettiness against the "other" side.



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Do you not find it ridiculous that they specifically changed the name of a traditional English dish from man to person so as to be more inclusive?
    Yes I do.



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Does this not strike you as a bizarre thing to do? Honest question. I understand why you think those who get angry about this are twats. I largely agree with you.
    Absolutely, it's a weird thing to do.




    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Do you think these pub owners are twats?
    They're not my kind of people, let's put it that way. But they're not the ones making a federal case out of it. All they did was change one item on their menu. It's the DM that went ape about it, and then a bunch of their readers went ape in the comments.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  70. #2170
    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Mind if I just call you poopy for short?
    How dare you? I identify as Lord Ambassador of poopiness. Don't try to cancel me, man.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  71. #2171
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    poop is probably right that rag-media like the DM whip up a certain level of hysteria about it. Again, not a left/right thing, all papers do this because they have to report something otherwise they might as well just sell printer paper.
    This is like comparing Starmer to Johnson again. All newspapers aren't like that. Even some on the right aren't. Look at the Times.

    And show me one headline in the Guardian about the name of a sandwich in a pub and I will personally make you a ploughman's and feed it to you by hand.



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    If I went to the pub and saw "Ploughperson's Lunch" on the menu, I'd laugh, and if I wanted to order it, I'd ask for a Ploughman's Lunch because I'm not playing their silly game. But I'm not going to kick up a fuss.
    Well at least you wouldn't throw your toys out of the pram. But, why do you assume they're just doing it to wind people like you up? As retarded as it is, maybe they sincerely think they're being progressive, as goofy as that might seem to you or me.



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    But this isn't changing a job title, this is changing a tradition. That irks people more.
    lol @ bolded. I never heard of the traditional term for a sandwich being a national point of honour.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  72. #2172
    Quote Originally Posted by poop
    And show me one headline in the Guardian about the name of a sandwich in a pub and I will personally make you a ploughman's and feed it to you by hand.
    Dude this is a threat.

    The Guardian play the same game as the DM only they play it differently. They're still driving a wedge between left and right, only they do it from a left pov by banging on about white privilege and genderwaffle. It's all identity politics.

    But, why do you assume they're just doing it to wind people like you up?
    I don't. I assume they're acting with some deluded sense of moral snobbery. They're patronising those they consider to be morally inferior. They actually think they're helping to tackle inequality, but that's the delusion. In actuality, all they are doing is helping to sustain political and social division.

    As retarded as it is, maybe they sincerely think they're being progressive, as goofy as that might seem to you or me.
    Maybe racists sincerely believe foreigners are a threat. Does that make it ok to be racist? No. I don't think it's ok to enforce your deluded idea of progression on your customers. Politics and business do not mix well. A business should do its absolute best to remain politically neutral, certainly in a country where there's close to a 50-50 divide between the two primary political ideologies.

    lol @ bolded. I never heard of the traditional term for a sandwich being a national point of honour.
    It's not just this though is it. Not long ago these same types of people were wanting to pull Churchill statues down. If this were an isolated incident, people would find it amusing, but British culture has been under attack for a while. Something as silly as a sandwich can trigger debate in such an environment.
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  73. #2173
    Comparing sandwich-renamers to Churchill-haters now. Try to keep some perspective. It's a sandwich. It's their pub, they can call it what they want. If you don't like it, eat somewhere else. But don't try to make a culture war issue out of it. It's not.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  74. #2174
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    The Guardian play the same game as the DM only they play it differently. They're still driving a wedge between left and right, only they do it from a left pov by banging on about white privilege and genderwaffle. It's all identity politics.
    It's the way they report things, the language they use, that makes it different. The Guardian is not going to make a big deal over a sandwich. Like, if some woke parliament passed a law saying they had to call it a ploughperson's, and one pub in Cornwall refused to do so, the Guardian would not splash a big headline about it. Neither would most papers. The DM does this kind of thing on a regular basis.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  75. #2175
    Quote Originally Posted by poop
    Comparing sandwich-renamers to Churchill-haters now. Try to keep some perspective.
    It's the same kind of people. They're always left wing, and they're always moral snobs. Their goal is to change the world word by word, statue by statue. It's quite a grandiose state of mind, the sheer arrogance and self importance is staggering.

    It's a sandwich. It's their pub, they can call it what they want.
    Of course they can. Nobody is disputing this. I don't think anyone is saying they shouldn't be allowed to do this, nobody worth listening to is arguing there should be laws in place to protect words in this manner.

    All I'm trying to do is get inside the heads of those who get angry about it. I totally understand why it irks people because it irks me too, at least when it's a wider social issue rather than a single-pub issue. Words changing from normal to offensive over time only serves to cause problems, not solve them. I know this is only a sandwich and it's one pub so it's definitely strange that this is news, but it's a symptom of a wider issue. There really are people out there on a moral crusade, and this is the stupid shit they come up with.

    I wonder if they refuse to serve people who ask for a pint of "wife beater". That was the nickname for Stella Artois when I worked in a pub.

    The DM does this kind of thing on a regular basis.
    I wouldn't know, I don't read it. It's amusing really that you consider it a right wing rag, which I do too, but it's you who seems to be reading it while I ignore it.

    Sure, the Guardian aren't quite as inane with their identity politics. They're more subtle, aiming for a more educated audience to brainwash instead of stupid people. But it's still identity politics and it's still the most dangerous aspect of western democracy, in my opinion. It's the biggest flaw with democracy, so long as the masses have democratic power there will be politicians doing whatever it takes to win votes. That means taking your side and morally judging the other side. Or taking the other side and morally judging you. That's identity politics in a nutshell.
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