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01-29-2021 08:41 PM
#676
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Same | |
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01-31-2021 06:19 PM
#677
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What a year indeed. | |
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01-31-2021 06:21 PM
#678
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Oh. | |
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02-08-2021 10:56 AM
#679
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I'm pretty sure we can make up for this 1bn Euros loss by selling more fish... | |
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02-09-2021 09:27 AM
#680
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Take back our fish that no-one here wants to eat. | |
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02-09-2021 10:33 AM
#681
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Well, if people aren't even willing to taste something because it has a gross name, and that same thing is enjoyed by other people who call it a different name, then it makes sense to rebrand it to get away from whatever gross connotations were getting in the way of people trying it. | |
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02-09-2021 03:41 PM
#682
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Sure, but that's not really the point. Brexit was promoted as the saviour of the fishing industry. If saving it just required us to eat more fish we didn't eat before, then re-branding them was all we needed to do. We didn't need to also disconnect ourselves from the largest trading bloc in the world and fuck the rest of our economy over. | |
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02-18-2021 07:16 AM
#683
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Wasn't one of the benefits of Brexit supposed to be increased security, since we would "take back control" of our borders? | |
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02-21-2021 08:37 AM
#684
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Unelected bureaucrat takes over as Brexit minister. That'll teach those Eurolibtards we're serious about democracy here! | |
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02-21-2021 08:48 AM
#685
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Poop doesn't seem to understand how British politics works. | |
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02-21-2021 09:25 AM
#686
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Ong doesn't understand how irony works. The same people who told you Brexit was a victory for democracy because we would stop being ruled by unelected bureaucrats just appointed an unelected bureaucrat to be in charge of Brexit. | |
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02-21-2021 10:14 AM
#687
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He wasn't elected when he became Ambassador to Denmark, either. Not everyone in government gets elected into their position. | |
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02-21-2021 11:23 AM
#688
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Show me the sunlit uplands, or even one good thing that has resulted from Brexit, so I can stop moaning and be all happy about it like you then. | |
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02-21-2021 12:40 PM
#689
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02-21-2021 04:30 PM
#690
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02-21-2021 07:58 PM
#691
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I did actually realise that it wasn't "uplands" when I found the image, but Stonehenge is as recognisably British as it gets. | |
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02-21-2021 08:00 PM
#692
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02-21-2021 08:18 PM
#693
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I'm not reading through all this shit. Which one of you is for/against Brexit? | |
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02-21-2021 08:28 PM
#694
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I voted to leave, poop thinks we're all going to die as a result. | |
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02-21-2021 08:30 PM
#695
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02-21-2021 08:49 PM
#696
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If we'd have voted to remain, the noise would be all over by now. I wouldn't have continued to screech like a bitch. I'd have accepted it and be grateful to live in a democracy. | |
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02-21-2021 09:12 PM
#697
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You know, if you look at the anti-Trump thing, there are a lot of people who think he either is or was the next Hitler (or similar) in the making. If you have someone who really and truly believes that, then they're going to be balls out because they've got this idea that they're "on the right side of history." They're ultimately delusional fucks, and their screeching and caterwauling are the direct result of that. | |
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02-21-2021 10:21 PM
#698
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If I thought he was the next Hitler, I'd have been more vocal about him. The analogy seemed ridiculous though, I don't understand how anyone with any shred of critical thought can think for even one second that he is comparable to a man who gassed Jews by the million. Especially before he even takes office. | |
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02-22-2021 12:39 AM
#699
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^^You can sub anti-Trump with anti-Hillary and all of that is still accurate. | |
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02-22-2021 03:39 AM
#700
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Economically, leaving the largest trading bloc in the world has been a disaster, and will continue to be one for years to come. Politically, it has fuelled separatist sentiments in Scotland and Northern Ireland. | |
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02-22-2021 03:42 AM
#701
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02-22-2021 09:18 AM
#702
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02-22-2021 10:21 AM
#703
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Accelerate towards what? Trump was the accelerationist and where did that get you? He exploded the national debt, mismanaged the covid pandemic so bad half a million americans are dead, and destroyed international relations with most countries except the UAE and Russia. Now Biden rejoins international agreements, stops arms sales to SA, and rebuilds the EPA. You're not getting your Mad Max fantasy. At best your coal plants freeze shut (because decades of neoliberal horseshit means you have no regulations to protect your power grid from weather,) you lose TV for an evening and Tucker Carlson can blame it on windmills. That's as far as it goes. | |
Last edited by oskar; 02-22-2021 at 10:28 AM.
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02-22-2021 10:43 AM
#704
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02-22-2021 12:33 PM
#705
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First, I'm not "convinced" of anything except that Brexit is a giant pile of shit. | |
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02-22-2021 12:43 PM
#706
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I think America can either go the way of the 60s and flirt with revolution, or go Mad Max. Things are more likely to be the former imo. | |
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02-22-2021 01:01 PM
#707
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It's worth pointing out that there has been no time in American history when we weren't fiercely divided along a political divide that is so nearly a 50/50 split that it's not really statistically significant when it swings to 55/45 from time to time. | |
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02-22-2021 01:24 PM
#708
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He never explained what he meant with "the swamp", everyone is free to fill that in with whatever boogieman they're thinking of, be it corrupt politicians, corporate money in elections etc, or for his supporters more likely Hillary, Soros, the Democrats and colored people. That was brilliant really, no surprise Trump himself didn't like the term. | |
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02-22-2021 02:41 PM
#709
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02-22-2021 02:46 PM
#710
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Civil war and/or splits of the major political parties. | |
Last edited by spoonitnow; 02-22-2021 at 03:08 PM. | |
02-22-2021 05:17 PM
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02-22-2021 05:28 PM
#712
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Interesting. I could see the Ds splitting into Progressive vs. Moderate groups. The Rs would I guess split into Reactionary/Conservative vs. QAnon/Trumpers. | |
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02-22-2021 05:54 PM
#713
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To elaborate slightly, the issue has always been that the first party to split takes a massive disadvantage. That has been a major factor in why neither of the major parties have split. | |
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02-22-2021 06:02 PM
#714
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I can't help it if you choose to interpret my comments in such a way, despite me having to spell it out every time that I am not saying what you wish I was saying. | |
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02-22-2021 06:19 PM
#715
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I think what OngBonga is trying to say is that the UK needs to build a wall. | |
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02-22-2021 06:22 PM
#716
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We already have one, it's called Hadrian's wall and the Romans built it to keep the Scots out. I think it needs reinforcing. | |
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02-22-2021 06:30 PM
#717
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02-22-2021 06:35 PM
#718
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You're doing the very thing you're accusing me of here. I've said myself several times I do not hold the UK or its people in contempt. | |
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02-22-2021 06:36 PM
#719
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Fuck yes, I'm in. It might destroy our lovely coastline, but if it costs the French a few billion, I think it's a great idea. | |
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02-22-2021 06:41 PM
#720
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02-22-2021 06:53 PM
#721
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I don't hold them in contempt either. Some of them perhaps, the ones who benefit from harming the country. But most of them I think are just misguided. | |
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02-22-2021 07:06 PM
#722
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02-22-2021 07:15 PM
#723
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Disagreeing != contempt. | |
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02-22-2021 09:18 PM
#724
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Complaining about dogwhistles often undermines what could otherwise be a good argument because they're made up and don't matter. | |
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02-23-2021 08:59 AM
#725
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Who is going to organize anything resembling a "civil war" on the republican side? Your guys stormed the capitol and then couldn't think of anything to do except smear shit on the walls and sit in a chair they're not supposed to sit in... and that one was master minded by the biggest brain you had. Those were the 4d chess moves. | |
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02-23-2021 09:15 AM
#726
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The next civil war, if we have one before the country just collapses as a whole, won't be Republican vs. Democrat or right vs. left. It'll be either: 1) the two center parties against the two fringe parties (who will also be against each other), or 2) everyone against communists. | |
Last edited by spoonitnow; 02-23-2021 at 09:24 AM. | |
02-23-2021 09:32 AM
#727
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As someone with a better track record at predicting american politics than yourself, I can guarantee you democrats will not split for at least another 12 years. Who would even split? The furthest people to the left have voiced no interest in splitting the party. | |
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02-23-2021 10:51 AM
#728
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What do you mean by the parties splitting? | |
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02-23-2021 11:05 AM
#729
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02-23-2021 12:07 PM
#730
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02-23-2021 12:18 PM
#731
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A new party forms. People from an existing party leave en masse to the new party. It's pretty straightforward. | |
Last edited by spoonitnow; 02-23-2021 at 12:25 PM. | |
02-23-2021 12:35 PM
#732
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You have no viable way to make either of these claims. | |
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02-23-2021 12:35 PM
#733
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Is the continued denial of the legitimacy of the 2020 election by some Republican leaders part of this, or related to the split? | |
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02-23-2021 01:03 PM
#734
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Before I answer this, it's critical to note that the election was extremely, extremely close. A lot of people, especially non-Americans, don't understand how ridiculously close it was because our system for elections is so atypical. | |
Last edited by spoonitnow; 02-23-2021 at 01:11 PM. | |
02-23-2021 01:51 PM
#735
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Thanks for the answers. | |
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02-23-2021 02:50 PM
#736
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02-23-2021 02:50 PM
#737
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Ted Cruz did not vote to convict Trump in either impeachment trial. | |
Last edited by spoonitnow; 02-23-2021 at 02:54 PM. | |
02-23-2021 02:52 PM
#738
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Like MMM, you're trying to debate whether the election was stolen. That's not the topic. The topic is the politics of pushing that idea as a Republican politician right now. | |
Last edited by spoonitnow; 02-23-2021 at 02:56 PM. | |
02-23-2021 03:01 PM
#739
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Discrediting the election is just a political tactic to get your side riled up. The problem is if your supporters take it too literally they might just give up on voting and grab their pitchforks. That's why most politicians won't go down that road unless their led there by someone. | |
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02-23-2021 03:05 PM
#740
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I also agree that the main reason most R politicians support Trump, or ever supported him, was out of cynical self-interest. It's pretty obvious when you see how the same guys who were calling him a horrible lunatic before he won the nomination in '16 suddenly turned into his firm supporters after he won. Christie, Cruz, Graham, all spring to mind in that regard. | |
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02-23-2021 03:16 PM
#741
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That may be the case, but it's also a bit overly simplistic. Pushing the election fraud story is very on-brand for him at this point, and it puts him in the best position to keep his base riled up for his post-2020 plans, whatever those may be. We've seen talks about a news channel to compete with Fox as one example of a direction he could go in. | |
Last edited by spoonitnow; 02-23-2021 at 03:19 PM. | |
02-23-2021 04:18 PM
#742
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We had a similar conversation about 2 years ago where I said Trump will be either removed through impeachment or lose re-election in a landslide and his supporters would lose their mind and march on DC, and I believe the way you put it was "what movie are you watching" and that Trump will crush re-election yadda yadda. | |
Last edited by oskar; 02-23-2021 at 04:57 PM.
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02-23-2021 05:32 PM
#743
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I mean to come back to this: | |
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02-23-2021 06:40 PM
#744
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Hmm, I don't recall anyone ever saying the election was lost directly because of Russian interference, or if they did I never paid it any attention. Mostly what I heard was complaints that up against a confessed pussy-grabber, Hillary somehow managed to be the less appealing candidate. | |
Last edited by Poopadoop; 02-23-2021 at 06:42 PM.
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02-23-2021 08:07 PM
#745
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Sorry if I made it seem like I was trying to debate anything. I'm not interested in debate. | |
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02-23-2021 08:08 PM
#746
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... but didn't the entirety of the Russian involvement boil down to some Facebook pages and other social media tomfoolery? Like... that was the extent of it, right? | |
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02-23-2021 10:18 PM
#747
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I just didn't want you to think that I was giving my own position in terms of things like thinking the election was rigged when I was laying out the landscape. | |
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02-23-2021 11:10 PM
#748
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I started writing out a list of political issues and where conservatives stand on them. I had to break each topic up into a list of how each conservative group views them, which turned into a list of bullet point lists. It got really long really quickly, and I was only a portion of the way done. I also felt like I wasn't achieving the aim I set out for. | |
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02-24-2021 01:32 AM
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02-24-2021 01:42 AM
#750
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I mean... I want to clarify that I'm not interested in understanding the bonehead Right perspective (nor the bonehead Left perspective). | |
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