NFL Free Agency and NFL DRAFT!!!!

[Ragnar4]

To whom is this Jay Cutler guy throwing the football?

Kyle Orton may not be a world crusher... but Rashid Davis, Devin Hester, and Greg Olson aren't exactly re-writing record books.

he did, actually

[a500lbgorilla]

hahaha nice

[kingnat]

To whom is this Jay Cutler guy throwing the football?

Kyle Orton may not be a world crusher... but Rashid Davis, Devin Hester, and Greg Olson aren't exactly re-writing record books.

he did, actually

Oh yur right... I guess Cutler will be playing on special teams too...

Hester: 51 rec, 665 yrds, 3 TDs..... STOP DA PRESSES ON DEM RECORD BBOOKKZZ

[ensign_lee]

Yeah, I'm not sure we are going to get him anymore. Apparently Stafford had a great workout and really impressed the coaching staff, but we'll see.

So did Joey Harrington.

Yowzas. Talk about kicking someone in the balls.

Why, Jack, Why?!?!?!

[ensign_lee]

Also, holy crap at the epic debacle now known as the Denver Broncos.

Pretty much this offseason, they only things they've accomplished is destroying the continuity in their front office and completely imploding the offense by getting rid of the coordinator, then replacing the offensive system, THEN replacing the star QB.

HOOOOLY CRAP. Talk about taking gigantic leaps backward. The defense wasn't all that much to write home about last year and they've done...what?...exactly to improve it?

Meanwhile, they're destroying the thing that let them win several games last year.

Season win total is going to come out at like 5...and people would be smart to take the under. This is crazy ridiculous; what is going on out there?!?!?!

[Ragnar4]

the only explanation I can come up with is that Pat Bowlen and Al Davis have just become gay lovers, and that Al is the butch. Only explanation.

Patty honey.. could you please help me not be so bad in the west next year.

I don't know Al, what's it going to take.

That Jay Cutler is such a bitch, why do you keep him around?

Well he's kinda my meal ticket honeybuns.

Don't you want to make daddy Al happy?

ad nauseum.

[Jack Sawyer]

Yeah, I'm not sure we are going to get him anymore. Apparently Stafford had a great workout and really impressed the coaching staff, but we'll see.

So did Joey Harrington.

Yowzas. Talk about kicking someone in the balls.

Why, Jack, Why?!?!?!

The past is the past. No use crying over spilled milk.
Detroit has shown to be particularly bad when it comes to offensive high draft picks, and I was simply highlighting this. "Stafford impressed on the combine", Joey did too.
The last thing Detroit needs right now is a high pick, massive salary QB. Detroit has more holes in its lineup than swiss cheese.

So, where do you go to actually make the Lions a contender (without hope and dreams and bullshit)?
1) build the line. Both offense and defense.
2) get linebackers. tons of linebackers.
3) bolster the secondary with good quick guys with some play recognition abilities.
4) find a thunder and lightning combination for the backfield
5) a good pass catching TE (Assuming Calvin Johnson is still with the team by then)
6) OL maintenance, and now you look for a QB.

By drafting a "good" QB as a high pick now, all you will end up with is the next Alex Smith or Dan Orlovsky, who has to run for his life and have routine stops on the DL because his line is as porous as Spain's border. There is simply no pocket, and opposing defenses will continue feasting week after week with Detroit QB's.

So, DET mgmt, BUILD THE FUCKING LINES!

My advice, pick Jason Smith first and pray to god he does not become the next Robert Gallery. But since dire help is needed, trading #1 for like a late #1 & #2 & probably a #5 or something would be probably the most optimal thing DET could do right now.

[Lukie]

Yeah, I'm not sure we are going to get him anymore. Apparently Stafford had a great workout and really impressed the coaching staff, but we'll see.

So did Joey Harrington.

Yowzas. Talk about kicking someone in the balls.

Why, Jack, Why?!?!?!

The past is the past. No use crying over spilled milk.
Detroit has shown to be particularly bad when it comes to offensive high draft picks, and I was simply highlighting this. "Stafford impressed on the combine", Joey did too.
The last thing Detroit needs right now is a high pick, massive salary QB. Detroit has more holes in its lineup than swiss cheese.

So, where do you go to actually make the Lions a contender (without hope and dreams and bullshit)?
1) build the line. Both offense and defense.
2) get linebackers. tons of linebackers.
3) bolster the secondary with good quick guys with some play recognition abilities.
4) find a thunder and lightning combination for the backfield
5) a good pass catching TE (Assuming Calvin Johnson is still with the team by then)
6) OL maintenance, and now you look for a QB.

By drafting a "good" QB as a high pick now, all you will end up with is the next Alex Smith or Dan Orlovsky, who has to run for his life and have routine stops on the DL because his line is as porous as Spain's border. There is simply no pocket, and opposing defenses will continue feasting week after week with Detroit QB's.

So, DET mgmt, BUILD THE FUCKING LINES!

My advice, pick Jason Smith first and pray to god he does not become the next Robert Gallery. But since dire help is needed, trading #1 for like a late #1 & #2 & probably a #5 or something would be probably the most optimal thing DET could do right now.

I don't think any team in the NFL really wants that #1 pick, to be completely honest with you...

[kingnat]

I don't think any team in the NFL really wants that #1 pick, to be completely honest with you...

Didn't we just talk about this on page 3??

It's very very obvious the #1 overal pick is a horrible place to be... you are essentially paying Brady/Manning type money to a QB that has never taken a snap.. that's just beyond retarded.

If I was the Lions.. I'd take ANYTHING to move down, and absent that, i'd simply refuse to turn in my card until 4 other teams have taken players.

[a500lbgorilla]

yah imagine if your number 2, knowing number one is taking a QB (a position you're sured-up on) and they dont pick? Im not fcking picking to spend an xtra 10 mil on a player.

[Ltrain]

Steve McNair, Favre and now Cutler, Bus Cook is an A-hole, this is completely his M.O.

[Lukie]

I don't think any team in the NFL really wants that #1 pick, to be completely honest with you...

Didn't we just talk about this on page 3??

It's very very obvious the #1 overal pick is a horrible place to be... you are essentially paying Brady/Manning type money to a QB that has never taken a snap.. that's just beyond retarded.

If I was the Lions.. I'd take ANYTHING to move down, and absent that, i'd simply refuse to turn in my card until 4 other teams have taken players.

Unfortunately for the front office they can't do this, as they have to worry about embarrassment, job security, death threats, etc.

It even surfaced in the whole Cutler saga that Denver was *not* interested in the pick at all. I don't think it was a very reliable source, but it's what I think anyway without any confirmation.

It's not only about the money, which speaks for itself, it's about this specific draft. There's just nobody that sticks out from the crowd IMO.

[Lukie]

Steve McNair, Favre and now Cutler, Bus Cook is an A-hole, this is completely his M.O.

Favre and Cutler, sure. Don't throw McNair in there though; that one was completely on the Titans. You can't lock a player out of the facility for no other than to squat on their rights and not have to pay them their salary if they get hurt. That was ridiculous.

[WildBobAA]

Jack, we have totally different management/talent evaluators than when Harrington came out (i.e. NO MATT MILLEN). Don't assume that Schwartz/Mayhew are going to draft a bunch of WRs because that's not what is going to happen since Schwartz is a defensive guy. Also, we have a ton of draft picks including 5 total picks in the first three rounds and 3 of the first 33 overall picks. So even if we take Stafford #1, we still have plenty of picks to build our lines and our defense.

To everyone saying the Lions should try to move down: this is such an obvious statement and it's putting me on tilt hearing people say it over and over again. The Lions have already said they were shopping the #1 pick, unfortunately, no team is dumb enough to actually want to get the #1 pick this year. The Lions picked a bad year to go 0-16 since the top end of talent this year is pretty mediocre compared to other years.

Also, I'm so glad that we didn't get Culter after seeing what the Bears paid for him.

[bigspenda73]

why is there ZERO uproar about the price the Chiefs got for Cassell compared to the epic price the Bears just paid?

[dranger7070]

why is there ZERO uproar about the price the Chiefs got for Cassell compared to the epic price the Bears just paid?

Cuz no one what the Chiefs do?

[bigspenda73]

what just happened was like the Knicks trading Curry and their 2nd rounder for Bosh and then the the Bulls trading Deng, Rose, and their first rounder for Amare.

[a500lbgorilla]

why is there ZERO uproar about the price the Chiefs got for Cassell compared to the epic price the Bears just paid?

why would there be?

[Lukie]

why is there ZERO uproar about the price the Chiefs got for Cassell compared to the epic price the Bears just paid?

1. talent
2. contract

I'm not trying to knock what Matt Cassel did, but he stepped in to what was the previous year the most prolific offense in NFL history, with a genius head coach (and probably offensive coordinator as well), and a cake schedule. His contract is 1 year for 15 million (i.e. not very favorable). I believe Cutler is signed for 3 more years at very low salaries. So all and all, it's just a different situation.

[kingnat]

why is there ZERO uproar about the price the Chiefs got for Cassell compared to the epic price the Bears just paid?

All the Chiefs fans I know are pretty much laughing their asses off and pointing in every conceivable direction... (but mostly north and west.)

[Ltrain]

why is there ZERO uproar about the price the Chiefs got for Cassell compared to the epic price the Bears just paid?

1. talent
2. contract

I'm not trying to knock what Matt Cassel did, but he stepped in to what was the previous year the most prolific offense in NFL history, with a genius head coach (and probably offensive coordinator as well), and a cake schedule. His contract is 1 year for 15 million (i.e. not very favorable). I believe Cutler is signed for 3 more years at very low salaries. So all and all, it's just a different situation.

The rumors are Cutler is now going to work out a long term deal with the Bears so he will get his payday. Looking at the Draft, Denver probably will take Sanchez or Freeman with their 1st round pick. Orton may have a winning record, but he can't be the long term solution for the fanbase.

Also Lukie, McNair is similar because the lockout was later in the negotiations, although part of it if I remember correctly was also for liability reasons in case he was to get hurt while he was being dealt. Bus Cook's strategy has been to put up a wall to his player, and then run miscomunication and animosity as a way to push the player out the door; unfortunately it works. The Packers also pushed Favre out the door late in the fiasco after Bus Cook had poisoned the well.

[Lukie]

The rumors are Cutler is now going to work out a long term deal with the Bears so he will get his payday. Looking at the Draft, Denver probably will take Sanchez or Freeman with their 1st round pick. Orton may have a winning record, but he can't be the long term solution for the fanbase.

Maybe, but I wouldn't be surprised if Denver just goes into this season with Orton and Simms and goes after a QB in next year's much stronger QB draft (if necessary). Browns fans are clamoring for a 12+18 for our 5 trade. I can only use the phrase "get real" so much though, as obviously that isn't going to happen.

Also Lukie, McNair is similar because the lockout was later in the negotiations, although part of it if I remember correctly was also for liability reasons in case he was to get hurt while he was being dealt. Bus Cook's strategy has been to put up a wall to his player, and then run miscomunication and animosity as a way to push the player out the door; unfortunately it works. The Packers also pushed Favre out the door late in the fiasco after Bus Cook had poisoned the well.

I still think the Titans were at fault in that situation. What specifically did McNair (or his agent) do wrong there? It's not fair to lock a player out of the facility for no reason until training camp or preseason or the regular season, whatever the case may be, just to devalue the player or try to build up trade leverage. McNair filed a grievance and won, so at least somebody agrees with me. Typically grievances that don't directly have to do with signing bonus/roster bonus recovery are won by the team.

[ensign_lee]

why is there ZERO uproar about the price the Chiefs got for Cassell compared to the epic price the Bears just paid?

Because Cutler >>>>> Cassell? {acronym renton hates}

[Lukie]

A good take on the whole Cutler/Cassel/Broncos/Bears/Pats situation:

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/...-cutler-trade/

[kingnat]

Edwards to the Giants looking more likely:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgns

[Jack Sawyer]

Wow, KC is looking like a contender all of a sudden. Those in the know, how's the secondary?

[a500lbgorilla]

Wow, KC is looking like a contender all of a sudden. Those in the know, how's the secondary?

How's the secondary?! I'm mailing you my dry cleaning bill for I had spat my drink all over myself. First in disbelief, then upon a quick re-read, I spat in disgust.

Jack, meet mr flowers drafted to KC last year: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YRH7bCT-SM


how is KC secondary? Fcking set, sir.

[Lukie]

Edwards to the Giants looking more likely:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgns

I'd trade the guy for a JUGS machine and a sack of footballs personally, but if the Giants want to give up a first round pick and more then great.. the more the merrier.

[frosst]

my bold prediction: there won't be a less than 3 losses team representing the nfc in the playoffs and maybe not from the afc either. nfc south playing both conference's easts, and the afc east playing both conference's souths. omg the possibilities of awesome games!!!! and wtf @ NE getting carolina, tennessee, and baltimore at home.......only having to play indy away. ghey
/hijack

[lolzzz_321]

Wow, KC is looking like a contender all of a sudden. Those in the know, how's the secondary?

lol i like your enthusiasm, i dont think we are contenders this year though

Flowers and Carr are both solid, Carr is a little undersized though imo

[lolzzz_321]

Safeties (Page and Pollard) are average to good but nothing special

[Silly String]

Don't forget Dejuan Morgan, 3rd rd of '08. This year will tell whether he was injured last year or just a bust.

[lolzzz_321]

I don't see him getting alot of playing time

[a500lbgorilla]

Safeties (Page and Pollard) are average to good but nothing special

I dont understand how this is a problem. That's like saying "Sure we've got Usain Bolt on our olympic sprinting team but Im just not sure we're gonna cut it this year."

Bradon Flowers takes your pussy KC secondary and forges it into folded steel. Then he laughs at that which he just created, whips out a hunk of mythical mithril and forms a newer better defensive secondary.

Any and all complaints about KC secondary are simply a fools complaints. If you guys come short of the number 2 defense this year (behind Pixburgh) then your coaches should be shot where they stand.

Get behind your team, boys!

[Silly String]

rilla, you make me chuckles. We still have a little problem called the D-Line. 4-3, 3-4, whatevs. Both are problematic for this front 7. While I appreciate your enthusiasm, those of us that have to go to Arrowhead and watch the team get bludgeoned for 8 weeks are a tad more realistic. We do have some very workable parts, but 2nd best D in the AFC, errr no.
We need that big DT that we have been looking for ever since the Neil Smith/Dan Saleaumua days no matter what alignment we end up in.
IMO, we should just take the best available OL, use up whatever Larry Johnson has left in the tank and road grade our way to 9-7 this year.

Odds LJ is still on this team by the time this post is replied to: Even money

[WildBobAA]

well I guess we are taking Stafford.....gay

[a500lbgorilla]

silly string, if kc didnt have the honor of losing to pittsburgh this november 22nd, Id offer to trade you teams this year. You let way too much realism bog down what should be a warriors support of your team.

Try to parallel the manlove I show for my team. The speed of light was defined by Ben Roethlisberger because he thought it would be a "good goal" for physicists with overpriced particle accelerators.

James Harrison is a horrible human being. But because he can run past left guards and sack quarterbacks, his life is 10 times as valueable as yours. (Assuming you're 1/10th the defensive end he is.)

Troy Polomalu.

Troy Fcking Polomalu.

16-0 baby, and this year we're gonna do it right. Ya im talking to you patriot "fans"

[frosst]

silly string, if kc didnt have the honor of losing to pittsburgh this november 22nd, Id offer to trade you teams this year. You let way too much realism bog down what should be a warriors support of your team.

Try to parallel the manlove I show for my team. The speed of light was defined by Ben Roethlisberger because he thought it would be a "good goal" for physicists with overpriced particle accelerators.

James Harrison is a horrible human being. But because he can run past left guards and sack quarterbacks, his life is 10 times as valueable as yours. (Assuming you're 1/10th the defensive end he is.)

Troy Polomalu.

Troy Fcking Polomalu.

16-0 baby, and this year we're gonna do it right. Ya im talking to you patriot "fans"

put ur money where ur mouth is?

[a500lbgorilla]

lol you kids crack me up

[kingnat]

Jason Peters to the Eagles!!

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9...Bowl-LT-Peters

Big trade

[dthorne04]

this just might be fucking awesome, especially with losing some of the old guys on the line, adding jason peters and stacy andrews, getting a healthy shawn andrews back, and with leonard weaver as fullback...blocking should be much better.

[a500lbgorilla]

hell ya, philly could easily go 8-8 this year! Boo ya!

You know what? fck it, 9 and 7 bay-bay!

[Lukie]

rilla stop posting in my thread

[a500lbgorilla]

lukie, blow me.

[Lukie]

this thread is for the nfl, not your stupid ass psychiatry bullshit. have u contributed anything of worth in this thread at all?

here is what you have posted in this thread so far:

also he needs talent and handsomely good looks.

im having difficulty reading between the smiley faces and cant find the time or desire to find read about what happened unless someone wants to give me it here.

broncos could improve roster 10 fold by cutting orton

[they just traded for orton]

you must not know many bears fans. Ill help fill the void.

*slap* shut your fcking mouth!

hahaha nice

yah imagine if your number 2, knowing number one is taking a QB (a position you're sured-up on) and they dont pick? Im not fcking picking to spend an xtra 10 mil on a player.

why would there be?

How's the secondary?! I'm mailing you my dry cleaning bill for I had spat my drink all over myself. First in disbelief, then upon a quick re-read, I spat in disgust.

Jack, meet mr flowers drafted to KC last year: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YRH7bCT-SM


how is KC secondary? Fcking set, sir.

I dont understand how this is a problem. That's like saying "Sure we've got Usain Bolt on our olympic sprinting team but Im just not sure we're gonna cut it this year."

Bradon Flowers takes your pussy KC secondary and forges it into folded steel. Then he laughs at that which he just created, whips out a hunk of mythical mithril and forms a newer better defensive secondary.

Any and all complaints about KC secondary are simply a fools complaints. If you guys come short of the number 2 defense this year (behind Pixburgh) then your coaches should be shot where they stand.

Get behind your team, boys!

silly string, if kc didnt have the honor of losing to pittsburgh this november 22nd, Id offer to trade you teams this year. You let way too much realism bog down what should be a warriors support of your team.

Try to parallel the manlove I show for my team. The speed of light was defined by Ben Roethlisberger because he thought it would be a "good goal" for physicists with overpriced particle accelerators.

James Harrison is a horrible human being. But because he can run past left guards and sack quarterbacks, his life is 10 times as valueable as yours. (Assuming you're 1/10th the defensive end he is.)

Troy Polomalu.

Troy Fcking Polomalu.

16-0 baby, and this year we're gonna do it right. Ya im talking to you patriot "fans"

lol you kids crack me up

hell ya, philly could easily go 8-8 this year! Boo ya!

You know what? fck it, 9 and 7 bay-bay!

so yeah, there is absolutely nothing of worth in any of your posts. i think you just like hearing yourself talk. this thread is for football, thank you very much.

[a500lbgorilla]

did i do that?

[a500lbgorilla]

ill refrain from posting in your thread but as completely straight faced serious, all of my posts in this thread are 100% demonstrative of how seriously football should be taken. It's a fcking game. Who cares who is traded where? Or what team A should do with pick Y. I enjoy my sports because it's athletes better than me doing things which make me go "nice."

I used to take sports much more seriously and I was an idiot for doing so.

And besides, I was trying to bring jovial personality to your thread and you told me to fuck off, man. That's just cold.

edit oh and another thing! You're god damn right I like to hear myself talk, probably twice as much as you like to look at yourself in the mirror! Buuuuurnnn

[bigspenda73]

remember that month or so rilla was all about that deep-thought bullshit

that was fun

[dranger7070]

remember that month or so rilla was all about that deep-thought bullshit

that was fun

links to some of these posts imo.

[Lukie]

ill refrain from posting in your thread but as completely straight faced serious, all of my posts in this thread are 100% demonstrative of how seriously football should be taken. It's a fcking game. Who cares who is traded where? Or what team A should do with pick Y. I enjoy my sports because it's athletes better than me doing things which make me go "nice."

I used to take sports much more seriously and I was an idiot for doing so.

And besides, I was trying to bring jovial personality to your thread and you told me to fuck off, man. That's just cold.

edit oh and another thing! You're god damn right I like to hear myself talk, probably twice as much as you like to look at yourself in the mirror! Buuuuurnnn

ok, great.. thank you for your opinion. however, I created this thread specifically to talk about free agency, who is traded where, and what team A should do with pick Y and any related (or not so related) subject that happens to pop up.

there was a new thread every week during the season, most or all of which got a lot of traffic which tells me that more than a few people enjoy talking about this stuff.

take your useless crap that you constantly post in this thread (and all past nfl threads I might add-- do a search) somewhere else. thank you.

oh yeah, I saw what you had written in the post before this one that you later edited, hence the tone.

edit: oh shoot, i didn't make this thread

we'll consider it an extension of all my other nfl threads though.

[Lukie]

so I'm looking at the eagles and they have a really sick and young team.
o-line:

Jason Peters 27
Max Jean-Gilles 25
Jamaal Jackson 28
Shawn Andrews 26
Stacy Andrews 27

Winston Justice doesn't even start, that should tell you something.

Juqua Parker 30
Mike Patterson 25
Brodrick Bunkley 25
Trent Cole 26
Asante Samuel 28
All the starting LBs are 25 or younger and the rest of the D (which was probably 3rd best in the NFL last year) is pretty young as well.

Plus, don't they have like 10 draft picks still, including their first rounder? The Jason Peters trade seems like a steal to me.

As long as Andy Reid's heart doesn't explode, I think they are going to be my pick to represent the NFC in the Super Bowl.

[kingnat]

Winston Justice doesn't even start, that should tell you something.

That he allowed allowed six sacks in his first start...

The Jason Peters trade seems like a steal to me.

I agree 100%. He did give up 11.5 sacks last year, but also missed most of training camp and such which likely won't be the case. I hope the Eagles are a bit sensible and put some workout clauses (performance triggering stuff) in there to make sure he's giving his all. He should be a stud for 6+ years.

I think the Eagles should go RB (like Donald Brown) in round 1, or the Okla St. TE Pettigow. Both provide necessary pieces, and could make an immediate impact. Pass-rushing DE would also make a lot of sense. Very good looking team.

[Lukie]

That he allowed allowed six sacks in his first start...

was that the game against Osi and the Giants? If so, sick sick way to start off your career. I just remember being high on the guy coming out of college and wanting the browns to nab him in round 2.

you have to agree that's a nasty o-line though. i'd love to run behind it...

The Jason Peters trade seems like a steal to me.

I agree 100%. He did give up 11.5 sacks last year, but also missed most of training camp and such which likely won't be the case. I hope the Eagles are a bit sensible and put some workout clauses (performance triggering stuff) in there to make sure he's giving his all. He should be a stud for 6+ years.

I think the Eagles should go RB (like Donald Brown) in round 1, or the Okla St. TE Pettigow. Both provide necessary pieces, and could make an immediate impact. Pass-rushing DE would also make a lot of sense. Very good looking team.[/quote]
True, but the guy was a beast 2 years ago when he made the pro bowl and he fits the mold that the eagles are building on the O-line. The eagles did pay a pretty steep price but trading good starting left tackles is unheard of... like I cannot recall a single example besides this of it ever happening. I guess Peters contract BS and perhaps lack of effort are going to pay off for the Iggles.. only time will tell.

They are still stocked on draft picks.. such is the advantage when you stockpile picks instead of trading them all away like the Browns up until this year.

I think Pettigrew will be long gone by 21. Knowshon Moreno would be an awesome fit but he'll probably be gone as well. I like Brown as well. Then again Westbrook probably still has a few good years left so maybe they'll probably just go BPA and pick up a RB later. I can't wait for draft day though, it's always fun.

[kingnat]

True, but the guy was a beast 2 years ago when he made the pro bowl and he fits the mold that the eagles are building on the O-line. The eagles did pay a pretty steep price but trading good starting left tackles is unheard of... like I cannot recall a single example besides this of it ever happening.

Then again Westbrook probably still has a few good years left so maybe they'll probably just go BPA and pick up a RB later. I can't wait for draft day though, it's always fun.

The only left tackle that was traded with a lot of gas left in the tank that I can recall is Willie Roaf. I think there was some concern about injury at the time of his trade, but he was dominant for four straight seasons in KC. But you're right, it's definitely rare.

The Eagles did trade for Lorenzo Booker last year, but he must be flaming out, because he barely saw the field last year, and I haven't heard anything about him this year.

[kingnat]

*edited title to include any draft talk... i dont' know if i'll be sober enough to post anything mid-draft, but if I feel so compelled putting it here will help prevent things from getting spread out.

GOOD GODDAMN, I love the draft!!

[zook]

Lorenzo Booker was a bust. Played a lot early in the season but couldn't run, catch or block. Eagles definitely need another RB, Westbrook isn't young or durable enough to be an every down back. I'd be shocked if they don't take an RB with their remaining 1st round pick and not at all surprised if they trade up in the 1st to get Moreno. TE is another need, but Brent Celek isn't that bad actually. Good hands but needs to improve his blocking. I think they'll wait until round 2 or 3 for a TE. All Philly fans desperately want Boldin or Braylon, but I'm done whining for a #1 WR. The Eagles offense is best when McNabb spreads the ball around and between DeSean, Kevin Curtis, Westbrook, Celek, Reggie Brown and Jason Avant he has plenty of targets. I'm a little worried about the safety situation with Quentin Demps trying to fill some huge shoes, but the rest of their secondary is so good it may not matter.

[Lukie]

so I was at the gym yesterday (rah rah) and naturally i started talking about the draft with somebody. he isn't my first choice, but i like Andre Smith and wouldn't be upset if the Browns took him, combine disaster notwithstanding. he says he wouldn't mind getting him if he falls to the second, i laughed and guaranteed he'd be picked in the top 10. he disagreed.

seriously though, his combine fiasco IS a concern. but every year mock 'experts' and talking heads on TV always yell about workout warriors and enthusiastically say "watch the tape!" (mind you, almost none of them have actually watched any significant tape, which is why they work for TV or the newspaper and not an NFL team, but I digress), well this guy is the exact opposite. the guy dominated at alabama.

oh, and the out of shape fat guy ran better than most of the guys that were IN shape.

[Lukie]

my first 2 choices are crabtree and curry, by the way. not sure after that, but I think one of those two will be on the board most likely.

[Lukie]

Lorenzo Booker was a bust. Played a lot early in the season but couldn't run, catch or block. Eagles definitely need another RB, Westbrook isn't young or durable enough to be an every down back. I'd be shocked if they don't take an RB with their remaining 1st round pick and not at all surprised if they trade up in the 1st to get Moreno. TE is another need, but Brent Celek isn't that bad actually. Good hands but needs to improve his blocking. I think they'll wait until round 2 or 3 for a TE. All Philly fans desperately want Boldin or Braylon, but I'm done whining for a #1 WR. The Eagles offense is best when McNabb spreads the ball around and between DeSean, Kevin Curtis, Westbrook, Celek, Reggie Brown and Jason Avant he has plenty of targets. I'm a little worried about the safety situation with Quentin Demps trying to fill some huge shoes, but the rest of their secondary is so good it may not matter.

Braylon will cost at least a 1 and 3 and a likely a new contract as well. Boldin similar.

As a Browns fan, I'd be ecstatic to get a 1 and 3 for Braylon. The dude would be great in hollywood but you can tell from watching him that he's not a football player. Shies away from contact and doesn't make an effort to catch balls when he knows he's going to get hit. Then again, it wouldn't really matter if he DID try, lol.

The Eagles and Patriots are 2 examples of organizations that have shied AWAY from making big splashes and they have been so successful because of it. It seems like every time they've gone against that mindset it's backfired.. see Owens, Kearse, even Adalius Thomas in NE.

[kingnat]

so I was at the gym yesterday (rah rah) and naturally i started talking about the draft with somebody. he isn't my first choice, but i like Andre Smith and wouldn't be upset if the Browns took him, combine disaster notwithstanding. he says he wouldn't mind getting him if he falls to the second, i laughed and guaranteed he'd be picked in the top 10. he disagreed.

seriously though, his combine fiasco IS a concern. but every year mock 'experts' and talking heads on TV always yell about workout warriors and enthusiastically say "watch the tape!" (mind you, almost none of them have actually watched any significant tape, which is why they work for TV or the newspaper and not an NFL team, but I digress), well this guy is the exact opposite. the guy dominated at alabama.

oh, and the out of shape fat guy ran better than most of the guys that were IN shape.

I agree Lukie... there is an odd phenomenon every year, where guys who were originally projected high but "fall off" due to some concerns, tend to go high. It only takes one team to covet a player (be slightly paranoid someone else ALSO covets that same player) and pulls the trigger. Like end of December Oher and Andre Smith were the top two tackles, but now they 'seem' well below Jason Smith and Monroe. People put a bit too much stock in media buzz... a good deal of that is just misinformation that is "sent out via sources" by teams that hope player X slips a few more spots...

I would be really surprised if the Bengals don't take Andre Smith @ #6. There a very few teams in the top half of the draft that don't have strong needs at OT.

Consider that a team finds out something really bad about a particular player. Why would they freely disseminate this information? They want these shitty players to be drafted. It means they get more value for the picks they have. If anything they'd want to leak how bad ass this guy is... maybe even invite him for a visit. I know all this is obvious, but i think most people hear "Sources claim that Andre Smith is fat and shitty" therefore he must be fat and shitty.

[Lukie]

it's all smoke and mirrors leading up to the draft

to add to that though, it's probably a bit more complicated. for example, the redskins tend to be very leaky. i tend to put much more stock in reports regarding the redskins than i would about the patriots, for example.

also i'm shocked that teams don't try second leveling more often. for example, a team known to put out phony reports actually puts out a legit one, and teams presumably would assume that they then AREN'T targetting that player.

[kingnat]

I see the Rams have finally gotten a clue and are feigning interest in Mark Sanchez... If the Skins are as infatuated as many reports, I'd be thrilled with a trade down. Seriously with the ridiculous contract involved.. I'd just as soon take a 2nd round pick to move back.

Most people seem locked with this fascination that it would that next year's first and 2 other picks as well.. and that's just stupid. I mean I'd LOVE it, but it's just dumb to hold out for THAT kind of trade. Everything is like "Snyder loves Sanchez, but might not be willing to put the picks together necessary to land him..." I would fucking KILL for just ONE team to show some sense, and say.. fuck this.. and either a) trade down for next to nothing or b) say 'fuck you we ain't picking' for a LONG time. Obviously it's in the franchises best interest to take a below "VALUE" trade... but either way...

[Ragnar4]

Yeah, I wanna see Detroit sit pat until like 5 teams have picked and then hit whoever they wanted. Top of the barrell quality pick, tons of confusion. A circus, and some $$ saved.

[Lukie]

I see the Rams have finally gotten a clue and are feigning interest in Mark Sanchez... If the Skins are as infatuated as many reports, I'd be thrilled with a trade down. Seriously with the ridiculous contract involved.. I'd just as soon take a 2nd round pick to move back.

Most people seem locked with this fascination that it would that next year's first and 2 other picks as well.. and that's just stupid. I mean I'd LOVE it, but it's just dumb to hold out for THAT kind of trade. Everything is like "Snyder loves Sanchez, but might not be willing to put the picks together necessary to land him..." I would fucking KILL for just ONE team to show some sense, and say.. fuck this.. and either a) trade down for next to nothing or b) say 'fuck you we ain't picking' for a LONG time. Obviously it's in the franchises best interest to take a below "VALUE" trade... but either way...

it's easy for us to say, and even if it's ideal, most coaches/GM's don't want to risk their 7 figure a year jobs and a possible PR nightmare to boot.

i keep saying that i'll take anything to move down from 5, just take the stupid pick because i don't want it and if we just got a pick in the teens and maybe a set of practice jerseys i'd be ecstatic.

[Lukie]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/...-in-cleveland/

i don't want this guy either. suddenly braylon seems not so bad.

In a Wednesday evening interview with Jay Harris of ESPN’s SportsCenter, Texas Tech receiver Michael Crabtree responded to a report that the Browns are close to removing him from their draft board after a visit last week during which he allegedly came off as a diva.

“I didn’t hear nothing about that,” Crabtree said. “As far as I know I had a good visit.”

Crabtree doesn’t seem to be upset about the report.

“I choose not to worry about it,” he said. “It don’t make me feel no different than what I felt when I walked in, you know? I’ve been truly blessed to be in the position I’m in right now, and I can’t ask for any more.”

And then he disproved the notion that he’s a diva . . . by explaining that he’s having trouble picking a suit for Saturday.

“I have about five suits, man. I need to choose. That’s the hardest thing for me, man, is choosing what I’m gonna wear, man.”

not with a 10 foot pole.

[Silly String]

Nobody even mentioned Tony Gonzalez to Atlanta for a 2010 2nd rounder?
-Tony G. has enough left in the tank to help a team in need of a TE with terrific hands.
-Chiefs actually conned someone into giving them the 2nd rounder they wanted.
-My guess is that the Chiefs never make that pick as Pioli will get ADD, package it and flip it for another pick in this years draft.

[kingnat]

I've been drinking too much today to comment.. but it's pretty impressive. It'd be impressive to see Pioli move that pick around with something else to use it up this year.. This draft is quite deep and the top of the 2nd round has lots of solid talent.

[Lukie]

Pioli doesn't strike me as the ADD type.

He does strike me as the type that wants to build a powerhouse well into the future. I don't see him forcing anything, and I'd be willing to bet he assigns a higher value to that pick than just about any other team in the league.

[bigspenda73]

here's hoping the Texans continue to make solid early-round choices

[kingnat]

here's hoping the Texans continue to make solid early-round choices

They are in a great spot to select a starting defensive player (LB or DE) in the first and their choice of one of the many power RBs in the 2-4th rounds... (like McCoy or Greene). Great draft spot for their needs and the players that should be available.

[kingnat]

Stafford to the Lions $41.7M guaranteed.

[bigred]

Stafford to the Lions $41.7M guaranteed.

This is absurd, the kid hasn't even throw an NFL pass yet.

[Ragnar4]

Stafford to the Lions $41.7M guaranteed.

Is it Irony that I can't remember that kid's name that went to the Texans, for a record breaking deal of his time, and now is a backup in Carolina after being sacked like a bajillion times?

Hope they can come up with an OL that doesn't have this guy running for his life every other play.

[bigred]

What time does the draft start? I'm too lazy to look it up.

[bikes]

Congrats to the Lions!

jfc. shoulda drafted like Zoltan Mesko or something, anything. jfc thats a crapload of money for someone whos yet to prove anything.