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Originally Posted by boost
To avoid spoiling, I won't name the show, but there was a scene in a popular hour long drama recently in which a black out drunk man was having sex with a fully coherent, if not totally sober woman. This was, by even a very strict definition, a scene depicting explicit rape. But here's the thing, I haven't heard a thing about this-- no one is up in arms, and my guess is that most people would view this as a comical scene (it was meant to be) and enjoy it as such. But what if the genders were reversed? The mainstream media, blogs, facebook posts-- people would have lost their god damn minds. There would be petitions to boycott the network, feminist would find their way to a podium, and if queried the average person would, at the very least, say it extremely distasteful.
I honestly do think some of this MRA stuff has eaten its way into some of your brains, and I don't think it's healthy that there is a knee jerk "but what about X!" retort every time a women's rights issue arises-- but I also think examples like this show that the MRA's stuff isn't completely baseless.
I fully support a woman's rights as long as it doesn't impede on the rights of anyone else. In the case of the United States, the problem is that women have a lot more legal rights than men while still wanting to wave the victim flag. Feminism, despite the outdated dictionary definition, is no longer about the equality of people. Instead, it's about making advances for privileged white women at the cost of everyone else.
As somewhat of an aside, there's lots of information out there about non-white women rejecting modern feminism at incredible rates, as they should. It's to the point that it's become a race issue. It's really that bad.
A good analogy for the path of feminism is that of the path of the first KKK. (Note: This analogy is for the paths of these groups, not the groups themselves.) The KKK was not originally formed for a specifically race-based agenda. Instead, it was originally formed for the purpose of economic relief and helping southerners to avoid exploitation after the Civil War from certain policies of what were called the scalawags (politicians exploiting reconstruction for personal gain at the expense of the people). However, during the process of opposing the carpetbaggers (northerners who primarily came to the south to exploit the extremely cheap labor of freed slaves), it started to become more and more about opposing freed men, and that's why they were ordered officially disbanded. Today, the KKK is rightfully noted as a hate group despite the origins of the very first incarnation of the group (though they are currently on the third incarnation or "wave," which is mildly ironic).
The point is that if you said you were a member of the KKK today but it was okay because you supported what the group was originally about (aka outdated shit like opposing scalawags and carpetbaggers), people would look at you like you were a fucking idiot.
If you said you were a feminist today but it was okay because you supported what the group was originally about (aka outdated shit like not being able to vote and fewer educational opportunities), people will soon be looking at you like you're a fucking idiot. Third-wave feminism has taken things so far out into the Twilight Zone that people who are actually in it for equality will need a new word (my vote is for "humanism") to claim just to distance themselves from the bullshit.
Feminism, as it was originally intended, did a lot of great things. However, it's made a lot of momentum in the past 20 years towards becoming a hate group, and it's only going to get worse.
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