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  1. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post

    Wait, what? You're suggesting suicide is a viable option? Fucking hell keith, a bit strong. I realise I won that game of ww and you're pissed, but encouraging me to top myself is heavy shit.

    keith, suicide is not an option. Suggesting otherwise is really short sighted. I mean are you saying that you'd rather me top myself than claim benefits? And you dare to call me selfish? Fuck me.
    no , you said there was no other option. I just pointed out another one to show another, however there are lots more , join a hippy commune , or go to israel and join a kibbutz which are all effectively self sustaining communities.Only problem there is you would have to work to put back into the community.There is also a similar styled community on one of the scottish isles where the residents put on courses that people pay to go on which then sustains the "resident" community. These are all option which fit your ethos of not engaging with capitalism but unfortunately require you to work.
    No keith, you're just making shit up here. I can say you're not civlised for not wearing a top hat. And I have about as much ground to stand on as you do. Working / no working is not what determines if someone is civilised. I'm civilised because I don't do bad things, I'm polite, especially to women and old folk. If you disagree, well our definitions of the word "civilised" differs, and you suggesting I'm not fitting your definition of civilised, well again forgive me for not being insulted.
    looking at the definition at http://www.oxfordlearnersdictionarie...lish/civilized and the 3rd definition "3 having or showing polite and reasonable behaviour" . How is sitting around doing nothing and just drawing the dole money with no intention of looking for a job "reasonable behaviour".The definition doesn't stop at polite or say polite "OR" reasonable behaviour.

    Yeah you're half right here. But how many people are on the dole? How many vacant jobs are there at any given time? Do you actually believe that everyone on the dole can just get work at the drop of a hat? You're fucking kidding yourself. You think I'm bone idle? You clearly haven't spent more than a few minutes at your local jobcentre. The majority of those claiming benefits are even more idle than I am, and lack the morals that stop me from stealing. So you're right, crime would go up for the reasons you state. This is one reason why it's necessary to have unemployment benefits. Because a lot of people will steal rather than work, if forced to do one or the other. I'd sooner work, but if you consider claiming benefits to be stealing, then again our different definitions take us to different places.

    God this post of yours is huge, I'll read more later.
    where did i say that claiming benefits is stealing? Benefits should be there to benefit the disabled,the sick , those made redundant whilst they look for another job etc . THey shouldn't be a lifestyle choice made by the bone idle who are too lazy to work or contribute back to society.
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    I said stealing. It's more gaining funds though fraudulent means but it amounts to the same thing.
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  3. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    keith logic. It's only one step up from ong logic. I'm not forcing anyone to work. Saying I am is like me saying you're forcing me to type words right now.

    When my options are to a) work, b) starve, then yes, working is slavery. If those are the only two options I have, then I work. But they're not the only two options I have. Fortunately I'm not a slave.
    defeating you own argument with your own logic is funny.if working is slavery when there are only two options work or stave that means that by extension when you have more options working is no longer slavery so why are you opposed to working on the grounds that working is slavery?
    I'm not even sure what your point is. So I'm generalising. The point is, bosses tend to treat their employees like shit. But ofc if it wasn't for the employees, boss wouldn't have a fucking job himself. Boss should show employees more fucking respect.
    This cuts both ways Ong. Bosses that treat their employees like shit don't generally get a productive workforce as morale is low and the employees don't give a shit . The flip side of that is that employees who show their boss/company no respect tend to get no respect from their bosses/employers. The guys who float around doing as little as possible tend to end up with the grotty jobs nobody else wants to do, not offered overtime when its available or have someone on their backs all the time making sure they aren't slacking off. the guys that work hard , and show interest get promoted , get the overtime when available and tend to be left to get on with their work as the bosses know that they will get the job done.

    Fair enough. But I don't see any other viable options. Emphasis on viable before you make more crazy suggestions, like joining a circus maybe. It's either work or claim benefits. Claiming is at least taking from the system instead of giving. It's not even a selfishness thing here. I'd be happy to give to the system if I felt the system was fair and honest. But it's not. So fuck the system. I'd love to withdraw entirely from the system, but how do I pay my rent and buy food?
    see previous response about communes , kibbutz or other self sustaining commuities. If you want to opt out of capitalism on principal there are ways of doing so . Don't expect to lie in bed all day and smoke weed all night though if you go that route.
    I've actually considered charity work, and it might still be something I do. It's not as simple as just going and doing it. For some faggot ass reason, the benefits system frowns upon it, so if I go and work, even for no money, then it compromises my benefits. Go figure.
    http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/volunteer...fits.pdf?rev=1
    that seems to explain it clearly enough. you should be able to volunteer to do charity work which wouldn't normally be done by a paid employee in order to gain experience in order to get a job in the future as long as it doesn't interfere with your ability to go to an interview or be available for work.
    Also, "lazy cunt" is not something that I find insulting either. You're gonna have to try harder if you're trying to piss me off.
    wasn't trying to be insulting , just an accurate description of the image you portray.

    Are you fucking serious? That's like saying you should happily eat a radioactive chocolate bar because chocolate is bad for you. Fucking hell keith you're really reaching hard here. Furthermore, spraying shit onto cannabis plants affects the taste, and therefore the quality. The fungicides when smoked are a lot fucking worse than the cannabis itself, because they're not designed for smoking, and people don't tend to wash their weed before smoking it. It's not like a tomato. When it comes to the risk associated with cannabis, that's a risk that people are willing to take, for the same reason people take risks when it comes to alchol. People like to get wasted. Just because cannabis isn't good for you, does not mean that makes it ok to spray it to high hell with whatever shit you like. You're talking crazy here keith.
    all you do there ong is demonstrate your ignorance. Doesn't 50+ carcinogenic compounds in weed smoke scream out to you that weed isn't designed to be smoked either. What the fuck difference will 50+ carcinogenic compounds or 51+ carcinogenic compounds make? What evidence have you that "taste" will be effected.How do you know that the moulds on the weed you produce don't cause cancer either?. Check out aflatoxins.


    You are wrong. They might make more money than me because they'd go large scale, but when it comes to quality, mine would be superior because mine would get the close attention the plants need to thrive. You're a farmer aren't you keith? Do you really think that an industrial crop can match the quality of a home crop? Whose tomatoes are going to be better? Nan's from the greenhouse? Or Tesco Value tomatoes?
    the difference is that nan isn't going to make a living off the tomatoes from her small greenhouse as she won't be able to charge enough to cover the small scale and most people refusing to pay much more for her tomatoes than for tescos value tomatoes. What are the kids binge drinking getting drunk on ? its not the expensive lagers and spirits , its the cheapest ciders and lagers that they can get hold of.Sme thing will apply to them getting high. why will they get high twice on your expensive weed when they could get high 4 or 5 times on tescos value brand.


    Let's entertain you for a minute and say you're right, that I couldn't compete with international companies. Hooray cheap as fuck weed. It's win-win for me either way.
    yeah and the end of you producing weed instead of working/dole , you still just be sat on the dole smoking weed and probably less likely to actually be fit to hold down a job.

    Check you out jumping to the wrong conclusion. I've never voted because I despise British mainstream politics. I've never been particularly political through my younger years, so didn't really bother to find out what the Greens were all about. So I was left facing a choice between dog shit and cat shit, because that's basically the two options we have when it's Lab/Tory. I'm not voting for either of those. Next year I will vote, because I found a party that suits my ideals. And when we finally get an EU referendum, I'll be voting then too, make no mistake.
    and when everyone is promised a living wage for doing nothing and takes them up on it and does nothing , where the the money going to come from . Its a typical slogan of the unelectable , they promise unrealistic policies because they will never have to put them into practise. You hate capitalism , how did communism work out, all you ended up with were fatcat party bosses living lives of luxury at the expense of the majority of the population.
    But please keith, don't be one of those stupid people who thinks that apathy = undemocratic. There's actually quite a few people who have for a long time been very much disillusioned with the political system in this country. That's how apathy creeps in. Some people are just plain lazy and don't care, but the majority of non-voters usually have a legitimate reason. And you have no right to judge them for that reason, no right whatsoever. It's no better than me saying you're a terrible human for voting Tory/Labour.
    If they don't vote they have no right to complain. THeres plenty of protest candidates in every election so vote for one of them if you don't like the main stream parties and register you disapproval of the mainstream parties. look how ukip votes are scaring lab/tories shitless . that is a result of people registering their protest votes and not sitting at home and doing nothing.

    Here you're really letting me know what your problem is. It's not that I don't want to play the game. It's that I'm enjoying my time rather than being more miserable than those who are working. You have a problem with me getting stoned while you're farming. I get that. But remember you called me fucking selfish? You're no better if you expect me to work at some shitty job to make you feel happier about paying tax.
    lol...you want to take from society and put nothing back, its as simple as that.

    It's a matter of options. If I say I don't want to work, then do I get benefit? I don't know, I don't really want to test the water in that respect. But there's a big difference in pretending to look for work and pretending to be sick. The latter gets me more money, so not only is it lying in order to survive, but it's acting fraudulently in order to get more money. I actually have a moral problem with that. I don't have a moral problem with pretending to find work because they don't exactly give me any option in that respect.

    Whew that was fun.
    And saying that you are looking for work when you have no intention of actually working isn't fraudulent? Or are you just discerning in how fraudulent you want to be?.
  4. #79
    looking at the definition at http://www.oxfordlearnersdictionarie...lish/civilized and the 3rd definition "3 having or showing polite and reasonable behaviour" . How is sitting around doing nothing and just drawing the dole money with no intention of looking for a job "reasonable behaviour".The definition doesn't stop at polite or say polite "OR" reasonable behaviour.
    Ok so basically you decide who is civilised and who isn't by judging whether their behaviour is reasonable or not. I see now.

    defeating you own argument with your own logic is funny.if working is slavery when there are only two options work or stave that means that by extension when you have more options working is no longer slavery so why are you opposed to working on the grounds that working is slavery?
    I'm opposed to work for many reasons. "Slavery" is pretty obviously a buzzword I'm trhwoing in there. Do I think those who work day in day out are slaves? No, because they have a choice. The fact they don't exercise that choice does not make them slaves. If the choice were to work or starve, then slavery is exactly what it is. That seems to be what you're advocating. It seems like the dumb general public think that slavery is acceptable. Yes keith, you're the dumb general public.

    This cuts both ways Ong.
    You're right in this paragraph.

    see previous response about communes , kibbutz or other self sustaining commuities. If you want to opt out of capitalism on principal there are ways of doing so . Don't expect to lie in bed all day and smoke weed all night though if you go that route.
    I thought I emphasises viable. Going to Israel is certainly not a viable option. In fact suicice is preferable to going to fucking Israel. That is literally the last place on the planet I would like to be. Yeah I'd rather be on a raft in the ocean living off fish and rainwater. In case my feelings aren't obvious, fuck Israel. They're the most capitalist pigs out there ffs. They run the world. They're the fuckers responsible for my anticapitalist feelings. We can go down this round if you like, and you can stop calling me lazy and start calling me paranoid.

    Hippie communes don't exactly advertise at the jobcentre, fyi. If someone invited me to one, I'd be interested to see how they support themselves. That *might* be viable.

    that seems to explain it clearly enough. you should be able to volunteer to do charity work which wouldn't normally be done by a paid employee in order to gain experience in order to get a job in the future as long as it doesn't interfere with your ability to go to an interview or be available for work.
    I have worked at a charity shop before while on benefits, and raised this subject with my advisor a few months ago. He said it was possible but not something I can just go an do, I'd need to get agreement. This actually might happen. Or it might not, idk. I'm certainly not unwilling to work in a charity shop.

    wasn't trying to be insulting , just an accurate description of the image you portray.
    Accurate description full stop.

    all you do there ong is demonstrate your ignorance. Doesn't 50+ carcinogenic compounds in weed smoke scream out to you that weed isn't designed to be smoked either. What the fuck difference will 50+ carcinogenic compounds or 51+ carcinogenic compounds make? What evidence have you that "taste" will be effected.How do you know that the moulds on the weed you produce don't cause cancer either?. Check out aflatoxins.
    keith you're still talking crazy on this matter. Just because some webiste says that weed has 50+ carcinogenic compounds, that does not make it ok to spray shit that can cause harm onto the plants. It's not ok to make something that is bad for you even worse. I don't even think you believe what you say here, you're just being argumentative for the sake of it. I do that, argue a point I have no belief in, just because it's fun. It's like saying it's ok to drink canal water and vodka because the vodka is bad for you so who gives a crap about the canal water. Seriously keith. And yes the moulds aren't good to smoke either. I've had to throw a reasonable amount of weed on a fire because it was mouldy. A few hundred quid, up in flames. That was a bag that I left for too long. If that was the crop during its cycle it would've been thousands lost. Mouldy weed doesn't make it on to the market because noone wants to smoke it for free, let alone buy it. It's possible that a few particles of mould go unchecked, that's the case when you eat bread too. But any noticable sign of mould means that it is worthless and to be disposed of quickly.

    the difference is that nan isn't going to make a living off the tomatoes from her small greenhouse as she won't be able to charge enough to cover the small scale and most people refusing to pay much more for her tomatoes than for tescos value tomatoes. What are the kids binge drinking getting drunk on ? its not the expensive lagers and spirits , its the cheapest ciders and lagers that they can get hold of.Sme thing will apply to them getting high. why wi ll they get high twice on your expensive weed when they could get high 4 or 5 times on tescos value brand.
    No, you're right that Nan isn't going to make a living off tomatoes. I'm talking about quality here. When it comes to the point you're making, the difference between Nan's tomatoes and my weed is value. Weed is never going to be as cheap as tomatoes.

    I understand what you're getting at, but you're wrong to assume there would be no means of income for me if it was legal for me to grow weed. I might not have the profit margins of the big companies, but believe me my weed will be nicer, and it will still be profitable because it will always have a significant value. It's not a competition between me and the big company to see who makes the most money. I just want an income, which would be easy.

    And your point about cheap lager is also missing the point. I'm a cider drinker, but I'm very fussy about the quality. I want nice flat cider, not fizzy shit. The kids are all drinking nasty cider, and you can bet your life that Strongbow make a lot more money that Lilley's, who make my favourite cider. But Lilley's is still a viable business, because there are enough people who deem quality more important that value.

    yeah and the end of you producing weed instead of working/dole , you still just be sat on the dole smoking weed and probably less likely to actually be fit to hold down a job.
    Well if it makes you happy I'd rather be gwoing weed than living off the state. When I was growing weed, I wasn't claiming dole. I'm sorry keith but here you can blame the law for my current state of idleness. Legalising weed would reduce benfits, boost the economy, and save taking a lot of people to court.

    If you actually think that I wouldn't be able to make money growing weed if it were legal, then all I can say is you're wrong. Even if the price crashed to £50 per ounce, well a 60 ounce crop will return £1k a month, just enough to scrape a living. That's a big crop, but probably the maximum I could handle efficiently. And after paying overheads, including rent, I'd still have around £400 disposable income a month. The price is currently around £150 per ounce, I'd expect that to crash to £100 if it went legal. My crop target would be £5k, that would give me at least £1k a month income after overheads. At £100 per ounce, I'd need a 50 ounce crop. That's ten very good plants, or twenty average ones. Yeah that's easily manageable.

    and when everyone is promised a living wage for doing nothing and takes them up on it and does nothing , where the the money going to come from . Its a typical slogan of the unelectable , they promise unrealistic policies because they will never have to put them into practise. You hate capitalism , how did communism work out, all you ended up with were fatcat party bosses living lives of luxury at the expense of the majority of the population.
    Communism never happened.

    And you're wrong if you think everyone will leave their jobs so they can do fuck all with their £500 a month or whatever the greens dish out. Will dan be able to support his family on £500? Nope. The only people who will laze about doing fuck all are the people who do that anyway.

    If they don't vote they have no right to complain.
    Utter bullshit. You're stupid if you think this.

    lol...you want to take from society and put nothing back, its as simple as that.
    And that bothers you why exactly?

    And saying that you are looking for work when you have no intention of actually working isn't fraudulent? Or are you just discerning in how fraudulent you want to be?.
    I have no choice but to lie to them. The alternative is to get nothing. Am I fraudulent? Well actually no I'm not. They ask me what I've been doing. I give them a list of jobs. I don't say I actually applied for them, not anywhere where I put my signature anyway, I give them a list of jobs. I tell them I'm looking for jobs. Well I am looking for jobs. For my list that I have to give them. So no I'm not acting fraudulently. And even still, when the alternative is to become quickly homeless and hungry, your point is still moot because it's hardly a crime for someone to lie in order to survive.
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  5. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post

    I thought I emphasises viable. Going to Israel is certainly not a viable option. In fact suicice is preferable to going to fucking Israel. That is literally the last place on the planet I would like to be. Yeah I'd rather be on a raft in the ocean living off fish and rainwater. In case my feelings aren't obvious, fuck Israel. They're the most capitalist pigs out there ffs. They run the world. They're the fuckers responsible for my anticapitalist feelings. We can go down this round if you like, and you can stop calling me lazy and start calling me paranoid.

    Hippie communes don't exactly advertise at the jobcentre, fyi. If someone invited me to one, I'd be interested to see how they support themselves. That *might* be viable.
    try google then .....http://blitzedape.blogspot.co.uk/201...nes-in-uk.html

    A list of Intentional Communes in the UK



    Alto Sax Tantra Community (near Stansted Airport, England, United Kingdom) Re-Forming
    Beannachar Camphill Community (Aberdeen, Scotland, United Kingdom)
    Beech Hill Community (Devon, England, United Kingdom)
    Braziers Park (Wallingford, England, United Kingdom)
    Camphill Communities in Britain and Ireland, Association of (England, United Kingdom)
    Camphill Village, Newton Dee (Aberdeen, Scotland, United Kingdom)
    Canon Frome Court Community (Ledbury, England, United Kingdom)
    Centre for Alternative Technology - CAT (Powys, Wales, United Kingdom)
    Chicken Shack Housing Cooperative (Gwynedd, Wales, United Kingdom)
    Clanabogan Camphill Community (Co Tyrone BT78 1TJ, N. Ireland, United Kingdom)
    Coastal Community (United Kingdom) Forming
    CoFlats Stroud (Stroud, England, United Kingdom)
    The Community Project (Lewes, England, United Kingdom)
    Corani Housing and Land Co-op (Leicester, England, United Kingdom)
    Cornerstone Housing Cooperative (West Yorkshire, England, United Kingdom) (Leeds, England, United Kingdom)
    Couple Seeking Therapeutic Community UK (Brentwood, Essex, England, United Kingdom) Forming
    Earthworm Housing Co-op (Shropshire SH7 0LH, England, United Kingdom)
    Ecovillage Network UK (Bristol BS99 3JP, England, United Kingdom)
    Enlinca (Cambridge, United Kingdom) Forming
    Findhorn Foundation and Community (Findhorn, Scotland, United Kingdom)
    Forge Bank (Halton, Lancaster, United Kingdom) Forming
    FOUNDATION (London, United Kingdom) (Tamil Nadu, India) Forming
    Frankleigh Co-Flats (Bradford-on-Avon, England, United Kingdom)
    Godhive (Bexley, Kent, United Kingdom)
    Harrow Ashram (London, England, United Kingdom) Forming
    Hengrave Community of Reconciliation (Suffolk, England, United Kingdom) Forming
    Hockerton Housing Project (Southwell, England, United Kingdom)
    The Homestar Community (Borders near eastern coast, Scotland, United Kingdom) Forming
    Isle of Erraid (Argyll, Scotland, United Kingdom)
    Keveral Farm (Looe, England, United Kingdom)
    Komaja (Gersau, Switzerland) (Cologne, Germany) (Espasingen, Germany) (Vienna, Austria) (Zagreb, Croatia) (Skopje, Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of) (Ohrid, Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of) (Brighton, United Kingdom) (Novi Beograd, Serbia and Montenegro) (Dublin, Ireland) (Sliema, Malta) (HR Den Haag, Netherlands) (Bowral, New South Wales, Australia) (Beverly, Massachusetts, United States)
    Lammas (Pembrokeshire, Wales, United Kingdom) Forming
    Laurieston Hall (Castle Douglas, Scotland, United Kingdom)
    Lee Abbey Aston Household Community (Birmingham B6 5ND, England, United Kingdom)
    Leyton co-housing (London, United Kingdom)
    London Community (London, United Kingdom) Forming
    Monkton Wyld Court (Bridport, Dorset, United Kingdom) Re-Forming
    Moonlight Meadows (United Kingdom) Re-Forming
    Mourne Grange Camphill Village Community (Co Down, N. Ireland, United Kingdom)
    New Creation Christian Community (Northampton, England, United Kingdom) (Coventry, England, United Kingdom) (Birmingham, England, United Kingdom) (Leicester, England, United Kingdom) (London, England, United Kingdom) (Sheffield, England, United Kingdom) (Belfast, N. Ireland, United Kingdom) (Brighton and Hove, England, United Kingdom) (Liverpool, England, United Kingdom) (Milton Keynes, England, United Kingdom) (Oxford, England, United Kingdom)
    Newbold House (Forres, Scotland, United Kingdom)
    9/11-Truthers (Scotland, United Kingdom) Forming
    The Othona Community (Essex, England, United Kingdom)
    Othona Community Burton Bradstock (Bridport, England, United Kingdom)
    Plants for a Future (Ashwater, Beaworthy, Devon, England, United Kingdom) (The Field, Higher Penpol, Lostwithiel, Cornwall, England, United Kingdom) Forming
    Redfield Community (Buckinghamshire, England, United Kingdom)
    The Rogue Elephant (Rural setting outside of London, United Kingdom) Forming
    The Seventh Way (UK, United Kingdom)
    Simon Community (London, England, United Kingdom)
    Springhill Cohousing Community (Stroud, England, United Kingdom)
    Stepping Stones Housing Co-op (South West, Wales, United Kingdom)Steward Community Woodland (Devon, England, United Kingdom) Forming
    TRINITY Christian PRIORY (Spain) (Argentina) (Vera Cruz, Mexico) (Uppsala, Sweden) (Crawley, United Kingdom) (Bebra, Germany) (RENNES, France) (Dallas, Texas, United States) (Congo) (PARIS, France) (Selignac, France) (THIERS 63300, France) (Welkom, South Africa) (New Mexico and Mexico) (Wisconsin, United States) (Chicago, Illinois, United States) (Mpumalanga Province, near Badplaas, South Africa) (Newark, Notts, United Kingdom) (Venezuela) (Brazil) (Ecuador) (India)
    Two Piers (England, United Kingdom)
    The Well at Willen (Milton Keynes, England, United Kingdom)
    Zeitgeist Collective (Thailand) (Manchester, United Kingdom) Forming



    I have worked at a charity shop before while on benefits, and raised this subject with my advisor a few months ago. He said it was possible but not something I can just go an do, I'd need to get agreement. This actually might happen. Or it might not, idk. I'm certainly not unwilling to work in a charity shop.
    keith you're still talking crazy on this matter. Just because some webiste says that weed has 50+ carcinogenic compounds, that does not make it ok to spray shit that can cause harm onto the plants. It's not ok to make something that is bad for you even worse. I don't even think you believe what you say here, you're just being argumentative for the sake of it. I do that, argue a point I have no belief in, just because it's fun. It's like saying it's ok to drink canal water and vodka because the vodka is bad for you so who gives a crap about the canal water. Seriously keith. And yes the moulds aren't good to smoke either. I've had to throw a reasonable amount of weed on a fire because it was mouldy. A few hundred quid, up in flames. That was a bag that I left for too long. If that was the crop during its cycle it would've been thousands lost. Mouldy weed doesn't make it on to the market because noone wants to smoke it for free, let alone buy it. It's possible that a few particles of mould go unchecked, that's the case when you eat bread too. But any noticable sign of mould means that it is worthless and to be disposed of quickly.
    [/quote] sprays have to go through rigorous testing before being approved for use , same would apply to use on weed but as you maintain its a high value crop the incentive is their for the chemical companies to get their products tested to see what combustion products result . if they prevent mould that is contributing to the 50+ carcinogens then their use could actually make the weed less harmful.
    No, you're right that Nan isn't going to make a living off tomatoes. I'm talking about quality here. When it comes to the point you're making, the difference between Nan's tomatoes and my weed is value. Weed is never going to be as cheap as tomatoes.

    I understand what you're getting at, but you're wrong to assume there would be no means of income for me if it was legal for me to grow weed. I might not have the profit margins of the big companies, but believe me my weed will be nicer, and it will still be profitable because it will always have a significant value. It's not a competition between me and the big company to see who makes the most money. I just want an income, which would be easy.
    you are lacking any understanding of how the marketplace works though. You think that decriminalizing will mean that everyone will carry on as before paying sky high prices to the growers.that won't happen. large scale growers will supply those not wanting to grow but a hell of a lot of your target market will be nipping down the local garden centre and buying some pot plants and grow their own.
    And your point about cheap lager is also missing the point. I'm a cider drinker, but I'm very fussy about the quality. I want nice flat cider, not fizzy shit. The kids are all drinking nasty cider, and you can bet your life that Strongbow make a lot more money that Lilley's, who make my favourite cider. But Lilley's is still a viable business, because there are enough people who deem quality more important that value.
    who would typically be the higher disposable income people rather than the out of work kids
    And you're wrong if you think everyone will leave their jobs so they can do fuck all with their £500 a month or whatever the greens dish out. Will dan be able to support his family on £500? Nope. The only people who will laze about doing fuck all are the people who do that anyway.
    Hardly a ringing endorsement of their policy then is it .....vote green and make the bone idle better off isn't going to get them elected


    I have no choice but to lie to them. The alternative is to get nothing. Am I fraudulent? Well actually no I'm not. They ask me what I've been doing. I give them a list of jobs. I don't say I actually applied for them, not anywhere where I put my signature anyway, I give them a list of jobs. I tell them I'm looking for jobs. Well I am looking for jobs. For my list that I have to give them. So no I'm not acting fraudulently. And even still, when the alternative is to become quickly homeless and hungry, your point is still moot because it's hardly a crime for someone to lie in order to survive.
    again you are wrong , you are not looking for jobs , you are looking for a list of job adverts which is not the same thing.You are not looking for a job that you intend to interview for and then if succesfull turn up and work at.WHen we advertised jobs in the past their was no point advertising at the job centre. All we got from job centres were people wanting the interview so that they could then carry on claiming. They , like you, had no intention of doing the job that they were applying for, they were just ticking boxes to ensure the dole money kept flowing.
  6. #81
    Hardly a ringing endorsement of their policy then is it .....vote green and make the bone idle better off isn't going to get them elected
    It doesn't make the bone idle better off, we'd have exactly the same, maybe even less. It just means we don't have to go through this stupid rigmarole of pretending to look for work when 95% of the unemployed are either a) unwilling to work, b) unemployable, or c) unable to find work.

    WHen we advertised jobs in the past their was no point advertising at the job centre. All we got from job centres were people wanting the interview so that they could then carry on claiming.
    Indeed. This only emphasises why it's a stupid idea to force me into applying for jobs I don't want. It's a waste of not only my time, but anyone who gives me an interview.

    As for the rest of you post, we're just going round in circles. Thanks for the list of hippie communes, that must have taken some time for you to present that list with links and all. I'm sure none of the people who reside at these places are dole scum stoners.
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    Thanks for the list of hippie communes, that must have taken some time for you to present that list with links and all. I'm sure none of the people who reside at these places are dole scum stoners.


    lol ......blatant copy paste from the hippies who createed the list in the first place on the link i gave
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    I guess, it's still a long way to go in proving that though. Sure it will also be a tough process overall.
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    What? I'm pretty sure we proved ong is a lazy scrounging bum who is generally a detriment to society.
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    Nah you just proved that you're the same as all the other drones that go and work day in day out and think everyone else should have the same shitty daily life you have.
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    Hey ong, love you. Xxx
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    Your home life is better than mine, I'll grant you that. But my (lack of) work life is better. Swings and roundabouts.
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    Meh, horses for courses.

    And to be fair, there's a limit to how low a salary I'd take before I joined you in your life of squalor and misery.
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    I would like to point out that squalor is correct, misery is incorrect.
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    So how much would you need to earn before you'd accept a typical office job? Average responsibility and stress.

    £25k pa?
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    £25k a year would perk my interest for sure. If someone offered me a job that I could reasonably do, that wouldn't bore me too much, then sure I'd get off my arse for that kind of money. I'd probably settle for £20k. How long I'd stick it for depends on a) how much of an arsehole my boss is, and b) how mundane the job was, and c) how much I'm being paid.
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    Oh a d) if I had a family to support.

    If d applied, then my attitude towards work would be vastly different. It's easy to be idle when I haven't got anyone to support.
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    Dude, you're not stupid. Surely you could get a 20k pa job. Just lie on your CV and say you've been abroad for the last 5 yrs. Then again you live in Birmingham so low salary.
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    I could pretty easily bullshit a job, complete with reference, to fill the last 5 years on my cv. If I pulled my finger out and tried to get a job, then I'm sure I could rise above 90% of the field. I just don't want to.
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    Lol 90%, maybe fiddy.
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    Fuck you I'm top ten percent.
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    I live in Kidderminster, not Brum. Besides, I doubt very much that has anything to do with cannbis production because I can't imagine what would cause an explosion. That's likely to be breaking bad shit, either serious chemicals, or pressurised gas. Growing weed has a high fire risk because of the electric and heat, but the most likely thing to explode would be the ballasts, and I don't think that would rip a house apart. I've never seen one blow though. Whatever caused that explosion was meaty.
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    It could be two fucking idiots messing about with fertiliser.
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    So all you needed was a friend and some fertilizer.
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    i laughed
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    midlands today showed loads of small butane refill gas canisters.....obviously idiots as thats a dear way of buying gas ....unless they nicked it
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    i laughed
    So did I.
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    So all you needed was a friend and some fertilizer.
    This is fine work you've done here, sir.


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    I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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    Yes dan made a clever joke calling me a fucking idiot, let's all suck his dick.
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    The difference is that its a part of their pay for the work they do. The keyword being work.

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