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  1. #76
    That blood vial is called a vacutainer and the hole in the top is created during normal use.
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    At the very least, when a vacutainer is submitted as evidence, it should come documented.
    It doesn't have to be much documentation... just the volume of blood and maybe a check box whether the top seal is breached.
    Preferably with a medical professional's signature indicting the blood was drawn by himself/herself and asserting the identity of the blood donor... which really should happen any time blood is drawn, IMO, so no extra paperwork. Just include it in the evidence chain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luco View Post
    That blood vial is called a vacutainer and the hole in the top is created during normal use.
    Ok fair enough they made it seem like a big deal in the documentary but I guess the makers were on Avery's side. The evidence seal being broken is unusual though right?
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    Now he can pursue his lifelong dream of being a barber.
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    Kinda surprised at how many people are taking the cops' side on this, or just have the attitude that Avery's a bad guy so probably best if he's in jail. The police handling of the case was laughably bad. I mean, Avery and his nephew are supposed to be the dumb ones and the cops and DAs are just screwing up all over the place. They just make themselves look so unprofessional, biased, and lacking in any kind of integrity.

    As for the merits of the case, where is the actual evidence that Avery did it? I mean real, unimpeachable evidence, not this dodgy shit they came up with that smacks of a frame-up.

    I'd be interested to see what would happen if that case was tried in a first-world law system, not Makiwoc county (or whatever).
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    The documentary cherrypicked aspects of the story to make Avery seem more innocent. It's been a while since I saw the series, but check out reddit to see what damning stuff they left out. He's overwhelmingly likely to have committed the murder.
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    I really don't know if he did it or not, my beef is with how they conducted the investigation and why all the hard evidence was either lacking or somehow dodgy.

    And I'm not going to argue the merits of relying on reddit for the objective truth. I did read Kratz's email about why Avery is guilty.

    http://www.thewrap.com/making-a-murd...easons-guilty/

    His arguments seem pretty flawed to me.

    1. Whether or not Avery tortured a cat, how does that prove he murdered a woman twenty years later?

    2. Theresa said she wouldn't go back to Avery's address again, so he used a fake name and number. So why did she end up at his place? Did she not recognize the address?

    3. Does the contents of her purse being in his burn barrel prove anything other than someone burned them (or placed them) there?

    4. Would be interesting to know what these prisoners received in return for this information on Avery.

    5 & 6. Some burned things show up in the same place, her bones and effects and some tire belts. Ergo they must have been burned together at the same time by the same person, who also must have killed her. Not at all.

    7. Whether or not he was perving on this woman doesn't prove he murdered her.

    8. The cops had him in custody before they found this damning evidence, or after? If the former, it's not hard to get a DNA sample without someone's permission, just wipe their sweat up or get some saliva off a cup.

    9. The bullet found in the garage was never conclusively linked with the murder if I recall. The control sample was contaminated, meaning the DNA on the bullet should have been excluded as evidence.


    I notice a few things he doesn't mention as well:

    1. Why is Kratz sticking with the nephew's (iow detectives') story about the fire when the nephew's conviction has been overturned?

    2. Avery is one hell of an expert at cleaning up the victim's blood, clothes fibers, etc., from the supposed murder scene. Not so good at hiding other incriminating evidence like her vehicle or her key or the bullet he shot her with, all of which turn up in different places. Seems fishy.

    3. Some of her burned bones turning up in another location, any explanation?

    4. Is it their belief that Avery was really stupid enough to think he wouldn't be a suspect when he knew the cops already hated him?

    5. The jury's first vote was 7 to acquit, 3 to convict, 2 undecided. It would be interesting to see the dynamics of how that changed to 12 for convict. I'm not suggesting any misbehavior, I'm just saying it's interesting that 7 people were completely turned around during the deliberations.
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    Cliffs: Avery's new lawyer confident they can prove Avery's innocence.

    p.s. Avery's DNA found on the hood latch of Halbach's car came from his saliva. LOL, not suspicious at all.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Renton View Post
    The documentary cherrypicked aspects of the story to make Avery seem more innocent. It's been a while since I saw the series, but check out reddit to see what damning stuff they left out. He's overwhelmingly likely to have committed the murder.
    Yeah, but, at least the Avery kid is getting out.

    For whatever else we're wrong about, this kid deserves to be free.
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    They probably both deserve to be free if we're talking about from a legal perspective. The state botched the case. I don't really have an opinion as to Dassey's guilt. The case against him is certainly not as ironclad as against Avery, I'll grant.
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    My best guess now is neither of them are guilty. They couldn't get Avery to admit to anything so they planted evidence. They wanted the Dassey kid to implicate Avery, and once they got the Dassey kid to 'confess' they thought they didn't need any more evidence after that. That's why none of the kid's DNA turns up anywhere, but Avery's does.
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