LOLBCS

[vqc]

That is all.

Amazing game.

[bigspenda73]

unfuckingbelievable

[vqc]

Now only Cal has to lose and then it would just be an amazing brewhaha.

[vqc]

speaking of which its only 21-20 Cal in the 4th.

[vqc]

Best day ever.

Ohio State v. South Florida for the National title.

[bigspenda73]

wow is USF really going to be the 3rd ranked team in the nation?

I don't think LSU will drop too far, maybe to 4-5

[Chopper]

wow is USF really going to be the 3rd ranked team in the nation?

I don't think LSU will drop too far, maybe to 4-5

they still wont play for the title unless a lot of others lose a game, too.

i hate to say it, but my KU Jayhawks will play in a title game before LSU this year. not that my Jayhawks stand a chance of getting there, either.

has Oklahoma lost a game yet? and who is left in the SEC? UK?

[UG]

Holyfuckingbatshit, Cal lost too.

Ohio State #1, Boston College #2, and South Florida #3? Jeezus that just looks silly. I realize that Ohio State is always really good and played for the National Championship last year, but this was supposed to be a REBUILDING year for them. Throw in BC and USF and, just, wow...

Also, bringing up the Kansas Jayhawks is definitely a stretch right now, but don't be surprised if they start making some real noise here very soon. They haven't played the strongest schedule thus far but they are blowing teams out left and right, and that's what a top-notch team should do to shitty teams. Add in our victory over a tough K-State team in Manhattan, the same team that bitch-slapped Texas and we look pretty good.

I've seen a few of KU's games this year and our offense has finally caught up to our defense...With only one ranked opponent left on our schedule it's possible they could go undefeated through Big 12 play. It's not likely playing at Colorado, Texas A&M, and Oklahoma State, along with playing against Missouri in Lawrence...but the way the 2007 season has panned out so far, who the hell knows?

[lolzzz_321]

YA DARRELL ARTHUR AS A DEFENSIVE LINEMAN AND MARIO CHALMERS AT WIDEOUT IT HAS REALLY HELPED OUR FOOTBALL TEAM

[UG]

YA DARRELL ARTHUR AS A DEFENSIVE LINEMAN AND MARIO CHALMERS AT WIDEOUT IT HAS REALLY HELPED OUR FOOTBALL TEAM

Most years people are getting pumped about KU basketball by this time in October. It's strange but that's not happening this year. People will definitely jump off the football bandwagon as soon as they lose a game, though.

[mcatdog]

they still wont play for the title unless a lot of others lose a game, too.

If they win out they have at least an 80% chance of playing for the title but they more than likely won't win out because their schedule is too tough.

[a500lbgorilla]

Now, I need LSU to lose again in triple OT then VT to dominate the rest of the season and get sympathy BCS votes to go to the NT game against USF!

[WildBobAA]

this is unreal, i've never anything like this

[Chopper]

c'mon guys. the KU thing was a complete joke. i love my Hawks, but i cant see us even sniffing a BCS bid.

i know they look solid right now, but we still have some tough teams to play.

my main hope is we trash the dreams of Mizzou. OU did a decent job, but we can just demoralize them if we pull of a vic.

who'd a thunk the Big 12 north would look so goofy?

ps, and i'm still thinking hoops right now.

[WildBobAA]

South Florida ftw

[Chopper]

South Florida ftw

lmao. never happen.

[bigspenda73]

South Florida ftw

yea, but are they any good at all?

[bode]

OH!

[bode]

IO!

[Setzy]

Gooooooooooooooooo UK!

Shame we lost to South Carolina the week before.

[WildBobAA]

South Florida ftw

yea, but are they any good at all?

They certainly have the best resume out of any team right now and all the computers have them at #1. They are 6-0 with wins over West Virginia and at Auburn. They aren't a a fluke. Personally, I don't think they are the 2nd best team in the country but if they win the rest of their games, I don't think you can keep them out of the championship game. The rest of their schedule is difficult despite them not having a really tough opponent. Rutgers, UConn, Cincinnati, Syracuse, Louisville, Pittsburgh. The only easy game out of those is Syracuse, and maybe Pittsburgh. UConn and Cincinnati may seem like easy games but they are both only 1 loss teams at this point. If USF wins out, I think we'll be seeing them in New Orleans.

[Chopper]

if they win out, theres no way you can keep them out. that would be great for the BCS. i love it when the smaller schools supposedly are better than the bigger ones. the bigger ones spend the whole year beating up on each other, and the smaller ones run the table against pussies, and get put in the same class. not to take much away from USF, they are good. but, i dont think they could hold the jock straps of some of the bigger schools like Texas, THE Ohio State University, USC, LSU, etc. its a shame we wont find out until its too late...where any one team can win on a given day. put them in a schedule like Notre Dame or others, and they wouldnt be much over 500...and they certainly wouldnt be running the table.

btw, WHATS UP WITH THE POLLS THIS WEEK? wow.

my favorite part? Those Kansas Jayhawks. they jump over all but OU in the Big 12, and i doubt they are the best team in the North. that has to be really pissing MIZZOU fans off right now. Mizzou has worked for the better part of 10 years to build a football program only to finally have a solid year and.....THEY STILL CANT GET PAST THE JAYHAWKS!!!

MFLMAO. it makes me giggle like a schoolgirl.

[WildBobAA]

and the smaller ones run the table against pussies, and get put in the same class. not to take much away from USF, they are good. but, i dont think they could hold the jock straps of some of the bigger schools like Texas, THE Ohio State University, USC, LSU, etc.

THEY BEAT WEST VIRGINIA AND WON AT AUBURN wtf

OSU has been the team beating up on pussies. Youngstown St., Akron, Washington, Northwestern, Minnesota, Purdue. All of those teams suck (including Purdue)

(I do believe that OSU > SF)

[mcatdog]

not to take much away from USF, they are good. but, i dont think they could hold the jock straps of some of the bigger schools like Texas, THE Ohio State University, USC, LSU, etc.

LOL?

BCS Top 10 teams that have played an easier schedule than South Florida according to Sagarin: Ohio State, Boston College, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Kentucky, Arizona State, West Virginia. Only LSU and Oregon have played tougher schedules. Texas and USC have played easier schedules than them too.

[Chopper]

you guys know more about college football, obv. but, it is more of a general comment. USF must be solid to be up that high, but i still dont think they are deserving of #2 yet.

look what happened to Boise St. last year.

[drmcboy]

Boise St beat Oklahoma so therefore USF can't be good?

What we're seeing is why we need a playoff, because the BCS depends on the polls, and the polls start before anyone has played anyone and are not logically voted** (is there such a thing?) anyway. I'm a Buckeye fanatic but the idea that we're better than really anyone at this point is pretty dumb. Honestly I still haven't seen a team look as good as Florida did losing to LSU. LSU doesn't excite me, the white QB is iffy and the black one doesn't seem to be allowed to play late in the game. Maybe Oregon against Michigan. I had not seen Cal before this week.

Putting judges into a sport just doesn't make it better and almost makes it not a sport. We figured that out and (mostly) let computers do it, then USC didn't get to play that year so everyone freaked out and put the poll (mostly) in charge again. At least in figure skating the judges are experts who watch everything, coaches tend to be a little busy on Saturdays and I don't know who this Harris person is.

The fact is there was no way to figure out last year who was better between USC, OSU, Michigan and Florida without putting them on the field together and that is not going to change. Nor does it matter who is 'better' - Miami was a much 'better' team in every way than the 2002 LuckEyes but funny thing, we won. CFB is the only sport where for some reason we have decided the 'best' team should win (but only after they beat the second 'best' team!!(once)). St Louis won the world series last year and AFAIK the world still spins. They were NOT the best team.

These will all still be problems in a play off, but we'll be arguing about 8-11 or 16-20 instead of 2-4 and once the first game starts we'll all forget who didn't get in, just like in March.

Plus, the NCAA will have to re name Div 1-AA again and the result is sure to be pure comedy.

** EDIT see BC

[WildBobAA]

Great, great post drmc

but i still dont think they are deserving of #2 yet.

First off let me say that I don't believe USF is the 2nd best team in the nation. I don't believe they are even one of the five best teams. But do they deserve to be #2 in the BCS? They deserve to be #1 in the BCS. If you put Ohio State's and USF games side by side, USF is the much more impressive school at this point in the season. The only reason they are #2 is because of all the biased voters who look at them being the USF Bulls before they look at their resume. If a school like LSU or USC had played the same games as USF and won by the same margins, they would voted almost unanimous #1s by the pollsters. Let me add that ALL the computers have USF #1. USF has by far the most impressive body of work so far this season.

Chopper, I don't get why you brought up Boise St. They are the team that fit your billing of a small school having a cupcake schedule, going undefeated, and sneaking into a BCS game. Unlike Boise St. last year, USF has played good teams. USF has beaten good teams. What does USF have to do before you think they are good?

[UG]

Bringing a championship tournament would kill the greatness that is college football. Right now every week matters, and that doesn't happen in many other sports. If you lose, lots of times you're out of the national title picture in a blink of an eye. There is no, "Yeah, we lost, but we'll see what happens come tournament time."

Granted, the BCS has screwed up in the past (Oklahoma and Nebraska come to mind recently), and there is the occasional undefeated team that doesn't win the national title (Auburn, LSU, Boise State)......but they get it right the grand majority of the time. Having a tournament would make college football basically college basketball. Having a tournament would make the regular season meaningless except for teams that were on the tournament bubble. The regular season wouldn't matter, and you'd take away the excitement that comes every week where you know you've got to win to keep hope of a national title alive.

[mcatdog]

The fact is there was no way to figure out last year who was better between USC, OSU, Michigan and Florida without putting them on the field together and that is not going to change.

Nor does it matter who is 'better' - Miami was a much 'better' team in every way than the 2002 LuckEyes but funny thing, we won.

How can you believe both of these things at the same time? Judging teams by their entire body of work over the course of a season is much more accurate than giving the title to the winner of a single-elimination donkament, even if small mistakes do happen from time to time. CFB gives the championship to the best team (or at least, the team that played the best over the course of the season) far more often than any other sport except for possibly the NBA.

CFB is the only sport where for some reason we have decided the 'best' team should win (but only after they beat the second 'best' team!!(once)). St Louis won the world series last year and AFAIK the world still spins. They were NOT the best team.

When a garbage team like the Cardinals wins a championship, that is a crappy outcome that makes the entire league look bad. Saying "the world still spins" seems silly when baseball is falling further and further behind football and to a lesser extent basketball. The long and meaningless regular season followed by crapshoot playoffs aren't the only problem with baseball but it's definitely a problem when many teams struggle to get 10K fans to show up on a regular basis.

As George said, the fact that your season is on the line every time you take the field is a huge reason why CFB is so popular. The BCS is the best system in sports and a playoff would kill it. The only part of your post I agree with is that braindead people like this guy shouldn't have a say, but that's a reason to go back to using the computer rankings primarily, not a reason to scrap the BCS altogether.

PS: Oklahoma 100% deserved to go to the BCS over Southern Cal that year.

[drmcboy]

The excitement argument is just false. I was at OSU vs Wisc last year in a game that meant "nothing" according to your theory (since they were both going to go play the Big Ten tourney for a 1 seed anyway and who even cares about 1 seeds) and it was a total mad house. Maybe YOU didn't care because you don't like OSU or Wisconsin but I don't see why that should matter. I cared a whole crapload. OSU can go into the Michigan game 0-11 next year and I'll still jump for joy if we win.

Granted, the BCS has screwed up in the past

this isn't the point. The point is that easily the best team that OSU has ever put out on the field in my lifetime was the one that thrashed Notre Dame in the Fiesta bowl two years ago. Troy, Tedd, Gonzo et all were all still there and were just as good as they would be the next year, but they also had AJ Hawk and about 6 NFL ready players on the other side. They were unstoppable and I'd like them against any team ever.

And they lost twice in the regular season because they were only that good for about 6 games.

Part of your argument, that the regular season doesn't matter in many sports, is correct, but has to do with their seasons being too long to be watchable so you lose the urgency. Surely you will not say the NFL season is meaningless? Again, I watch ever OSU b-ball game and love them, but I could see an argument for taking 10 games off. And certainly I think pro baseball and basketball would be better off with 1/2 the games they currently play.

Beyond that, the BCS encourages teams not to play anyone out of conference, because as we see this year it's a lot better to go unbeaten and assume you'll be 1 of 2 left than worry about computers not liking you because you beat App State.

[drmcboy]

How can you believe both of these things at the same time?

I should clarify. I DON'T think anyone is qualified to judge who is best, which is why I don't think the BCS works. So I would just put them all on the field and let god sort it out. Does that prove who is best? No, but it gives you an unquestioned National Title Winner. It doesn't matter who is 'best' in any sport except CFB. It just matters who wins. Best is subjective and impossible. Wins is easy.

Again, just go back to last year. It's pretty clear that we should have had Florida and USC play, but whooops. Instead of maybe a great USC/Fla game, we got two blow outs in the premiere events of the season. Thank god for Boise State.

Saying "the world still spins" seems silly when baseball is falling further and further behind football and to a lesser extent basketball.

the steelers won a couple years ago after going 8-8 and then being even worse the next year. Baseball may be dying but bad teams winning the World Series doesn't seem to be why because it sure doesn't hurt the NFL.

You guys sound like national fans to me, you want big sexy story lines. That's fine, but I want my guys to go out there and leave it on the court/field every damn time. It MATTERS.

[Chopper]

Chopper, I don't get why you brought up Boise St. They are the team that fit your billing of a small school having a cupcake schedule, going undefeated, and sneaking into a BCS game. Unlike Boise St. last year, USF has played good teams. USF has beaten good teams. What does USF have to do before you think they are good?

because i thought they lost...lol

by the by, all of my posts in here have been called out. that is fine. they are inaccurate. and for that, MY MEMORY apologizes.

but the fact is...we need a playoff system.

baseball, hockey, ncaa basketball, or any other lengthy "regular season sport" has the problem that the "hot team" may win it all. i agree, as a cardinal fan, that they werent deserving of a world series. but, consider it revenge for the ass-wiping they took from the BoSox in '04. hot teams/wild cards are just something we fans will always have to bitch about. there is no perfect system.

but, i am more a fan of playoffs than a bunch of geeks, or coaches, getting together to vote on who they think is best when these teams rarely get the chance to play each other. the BCS almost has it right, but not quite.

[mcatdog]

I should clarify. I DON'T think anyone is qualified to judge who is best, which is why I don't think the BCS works. So I would just put them all on the field and let god sort it out. Does that prove who is best? No, but it gives you an unquestioned National Title Winner. It doesn't matter who is 'best' in any sport except CFB. It just matters who wins. Best is subjective and impossible. Wins is easy.

Seems like you're saying two things here.

1) Human polls are the dum. I think we all agree. Like I said I'd prefer if they just used computer rankings. We would know ahead of time what their criteria are and that would eliminate the unfairness and bias that's present right now. Every week I just laugh at some of the rankings in the polls. For example, LSU who lost to Kentucky is behind Oklahoma who lost to Colorado, just because LSU's loss was more recent. For another example, Hawaii is anywhere near the top 20.

2) It's better to have a "fair" system with a clear winner than a system that is likely to have the best team win. I don't agree with this at all. I put fair in quotes because I question the fairness of any system where luckboxing plays such an extreme role.

You might be right that the LOL turboment postseason isn't the reason baseball is dying. I can only tell you why I personally don't care for baseball, and the crapshoot postseason and the lack of competitive balance are the two main reasons.

And yeah I'm much more of a fan of sports as a whole than I am a fan of any one team. I don't really care about "sexy" storylines though. I was almost as happy to watch the Browns-Dolphins game yesterday as the Cowboys-Patriots game. There are so many awesome players in the NFL and NBA and I want to get the chance to watch all of them, and I think the best ones deserve to win.

[swiggidy]

Oh Aitch ...

[mcatdog]

by the by, all of my posts in here have been called out. that is fine. they are inaccurate. and for that, MY MEMORY apologizes.

Of course you are correct that a lot of teams are overrated because they go undefeated against a garbage schedule, but you're just wrong that South Florida is one of those teams. It's really remarkable what a good resume they've put together despite not being very well known.

This year, Hawaii is the team that is undefeated but sucks. They will not sniff a BCS bowl and rightly so.

[Chopper]

thats really all i was saying. i just used terribly wrong examples.

my question to USF is...how is Auburn looking? and the other you guys mentioned (sorry, too lazy to scroll up and look).

have THOSE teams beaten anyone decent (too lazy again to do my own research on the net)?

as for baseball, yes, to the "purist" it looks as though some integrity has been compromised based on the last several WS winners being wildcards. but, look at how parody has worked for the NFL. and, you cant tell me there isnt more parody because of the wild card. and, to add, the season has drama right through a whole 162 game schedule nowadays.

[WildBobAA]

thats really all i was saying. i just used terribly wrong examples.

my question to USF is...how is Auburn looking? and the other you guys mentioned (sorry, too lazy to scroll up and look).

have THOSE teams beaten anyone decent (too lazy again to do my own research on the net)?

Auburn is 5-2. They lost to USF and got upset by Mississippi St., but they beat Florida. West Virginia is 5-1 and was in everyone's preseason top 5 and have two heisman candidates in Pat White and Steve Slaton, altough they haven't really played anyone besides USF but they have just blown out everyone else they have played. Auburn and WVU can compete with any team in the country.

[drmcboy]

Chopper, Auburn beat Florida. I would just stop using examples because it's hard to take you seriously.

MCat, lets get basic - we get the 15 (or whatever number you like) best NFL minds together and have them vote after the NFL regular season on the two best teams, who play for the super bowl. Would that make the NFL better? Or they could get together with IT folk and create a formula for the winner or two winners.

In baseball, just cancel the world series because it's clearly not fair to play 162 then decide in 7 who is the best.

I don't think either of these options are 'wrong' - really they are much more logical than a play off. It's just odd to me that most people (maybe not you) would dismiss them off hand as dumb when this is exactly what we do in CFB, EXCEPT that it's much harder to judge because there are so few common opponents in college.

End of the day, I think only fair one would be baseball if you balanced the schedule. But how do we do it in football with one game a week?

There are so many awesome players in the NFL and NBA and I want to get the chance to watch all of them, and I think the best ones deserve to win.

This is the real problem I think - most people don't share the view. It's like poker, without a little luck a lot of people would lose interest. Take the analogy out to fantasy football - it's FAR more logical to just add everyone's points up at the end of the year and declare a winner, especially since you can't play defense against the other guys team, but then no one would play except rotissorie dorks.

Old friend of mine never watched college because he hated the conference system. He wanted OSU to play USC every year along with the 3 best SEC teams and whoever - sort of a tier system where teams would move up/down based on performance (maybe we would have promoted West VA or something last year, and this year maybe send michigan or UCLA or whoever down to tier 2). It's scary and clearly there are problems with rivalries but... OSU vs

Texas
Tennessee
Michigan
Cal
Boise St (hmm)
Oklahoma
etc - the teams aren't important.

sure sounds awesome. And then I would actually be OK with voting I think, or a computer formula since you could have everyone play everyone, maybe even home and home over two years with aggregate (we'd steal all the euro soccer words) scoring. A team like USF would have to prove it for a year or two before getting to the big time, but they could still win division C and then B the next year or something.

Re baseball dying, Colin Cowherd has a good theory that weekend sports (football, NASCAR) are hot because we're (normal people, not you or me) all too busy to watch baseball or basketball 7 days a week. And the 15 or whatever imcompentant owners in those each of thos sports don't help, although the NFL has those too.

[WildBobAA]

Baseball is dying? LOL

Baseball's popularity is at an all time high.

http://www.forbes.com/2007/04/19/bas...ballintro.html

[ensign_lee]

if they win out, theres no way you can keep them out. that would be great for the BCS. i love it when the smaller schools supposedly are better than the bigger ones. the bigger ones spend the whole year beating up on each other, and the smaller ones run the table against pussies, and get put in the same class. not to take much away from USF, they are good. but, i dont think they could hold the jock straps of some of the bigger schools like Texas, THE Ohio State University, USC, LSU, etc. its a shame we wont find out until its too late...where any one team can win on a given day. put them in a schedule like Notre Dame or others, and they wouldnt be much over 500...and they certainly wouldnt be running the table.

btw, WHATS UP WITH THE POLLS THIS WEEK? wow.

my favorite part? Those Kansas Jayhawks. they jump over all but OU in the Big 12, and i doubt they are the best team in the North. that has to be really pissing MIZZOU fans off right now. Mizzou has worked for the better part of 10 years to build a football program only to finally have a solid year and.....THEY STILL CANT GET PAST THE JAYHAWKS!!!

MFLMAO. it makes me giggle like a schoolgirl.

sexily?

[a500lbgorilla]

BC vrs USF, who wins?

[Chopper]

guys, from everyone i hear on the radio, FLA is off this year. so, that doesnt sound too strong...other than traditionally.

and all of your touting USF oughta suggest that "pre-season polls" are complete trash, which they are. see michigan.

and, drmcboy, please dont try and make me look stupid. i admitted my mistaken examples. when you suggest baseball is screwed up because the series is decided in 7 after a 162 game season, i think you need to rethink your comment. baseball's postseason is constructed by a 3/5, 4/7, then another 4/7. possible 19 games. and it already stretches into november. certainly you are not suggesting a longer series than 7 games. like 41, or something because the regular season is so long?

[vqc]

too many people here know too much about CFB.
Go USC. =D

[WildBobAA]

guys, from everyone i hear on the radio, FLA is off this year. so, that doesnt sound too strong...other than traditionally.

They are "off"? They should have beaten the best team in the country LSU and lost to a good Auburn team. Don't believe everything you hear on the radio.

[gabe]

what bob is trying to say is, dont listen to radio, listen to him

did i get that right bobby???

[Frink]

South Florida ftw

yea, but are they any good at all?

They have a MONSTER defense and a so-so offense. The schedule is fairly kind to them for the rest of the season too. If they don't choke against Rutgers this week, the only test they will have will be against Cincy later on at home.

[WildBobAA]

what bob is trying to say is, dont listen to radio, listen to him

did i get that right bobby???

Yes, b/c I think I am unbiased.

[Chopper]

guys, from everyone i hear on the radio, FLA is off this year. so, that doesnt sound too strong...other than traditionally.

They are "off"? They should have beaten the best team in the country LSU and lost to a good Auburn team. Don't believe everything you hear on the radio.

"should have beaten" tells me all i need to know. and lost to Auburn. hmmmmm, not to beat the horse, but 2 losses in a season, especially this early, is a HORRID year for florida. they are not even in the top 10 for christ's sake. hell, my jayhawks are about to pass them in the polls (not really...lol) spurrier would have never allowed that to happen. but, thanks for the confirmation.

and this is why the debate in college football is so much fun, LSU..."the best team in the country?" not after saturday they arent. theres a new sheriff in town. i will be surprised if we dont have at least one undefeated team rolling into the bowls...its rare that we dont. but, if for some reason, the remainings take a loss...look what that does for all the one-loss teams. wow. talk about a debate, which is why we need playoffs.

[a500lbgorilla]

guys, from everyone i hear on the radio, FLA is off this year. so, that doesnt sound too strong...other than traditionally.

They are "off"? They should have beaten the best team in the country LSU and lost to a good Auburn team. Don't believe everything you hear on the radio.

"should have beaten" tells me all i need to know. and lost to Auburn. hmmmmm, not to beat the horse, but 2 losses in a season, especially this early, is a HORRID year for florida. they are not even in the top 10 for christ's sake. hell, my jayhawks are about to pass them in the polls (not really...lol) spurrier would have never allowed that to happen. but, thanks for the confirmation.

Why do you judge teams by resume?

[WildBobAA]

and this is why the debate in college football is so much fun, LSU..."the best team in the country?" not after saturday they arent.

Tell me chopper, who do you think is the best team in the country? OSU? Being ranked number 1 is not the same as being the best team. If LSU played OSU on a neutral field, LSU would be favored by a touchdown.

"should have beaten" tells me all i need to know. and lost to Auburn. hmmmmm, not to beat the horse, but 2 losses in a season, especially this early, is a HORRID year for florida. they are not even in the top 10 for christ's sake. hell, my jayhawks are about to pass them in the polls (not really...lol) spurrier would have never allowed that to happen. but, thanks for the confirmation.

Obviously you didn't watch the Florida/LSU game. If LSU doesn't convert a couple late 4th down plays, then you'd be saying that Florida was having a great year. Just because LSU did convert those plays, that means Florida is now having a horrible year? Very few teams could go down to LSU and be leading in the 4th quarter.

Anyway this has gotten pretty off topic. So basically what you're arguing is that you're not impressed with USFs two wins over Auburn and WVU?
I'm wondering if you have even watched 1 college football game this season.

[mcatdog]

Bob,

Surely you can see it's beyond retarded to claim baseball's popularity is at an all-time high because of gross revenue unadjusted for inflation? Its market share and its revenue relative to the other major sports would mean a lot more. I don't follow baseball though, and you do, so unlike some posters here I'll shut up when I clearly don't know what I'm talking about.

Chopper,

"My aces have gotten cracked three in a row. Tells you all you need to know about me as a player. Phil Ivey would never let that happen." If you can recognize that this is terrible logic then why do you think this way about sports? The best team doesn't always win. That's why you shouldn't judge a team unless you've watched them play (or at least looked carefully at their stats); otherwise you can't tell whether they played well despite losing or played badly despite winning.

From your posts it's like if you lose a game, then you suck, and if you win a game, then it means nothing because the team you just beat now has a loss which means they suck. This is awesome logic because it lets us totally ignore on-the-field performance and just judge teams by their historical reputation.

[WildBobAA]

Bob,

Surely you can see it's beyond retarded to claim baseball's popularity is at an all-time high because of gross revenue unadjusted for inflation? Its market share and its revenue relative to the other major sports would mean a lot more. I don't follow baseball though, and you do, so unlike some posters here I'll shut up when I clearly don't know what I'm talking about.

It's not just revenue though, TV ratings and attendance were at all all time high this season.

[Chopper]

"My aces have gotten cracked three in a row. Tells you all you need to know about me as a player. Phil Ivey would never let that happen." If you can recognize that this is terrible logic then why do you think this way about sports? The best team doesn't always win. That's why you shouldn't judge a team unless you've watched them play (or at least looked carefully at their stats); otherwise you can't tell whether they played well despite losing or played badly despite winning.

no, its just a bad analogy in a completely different competition. and, looking at their stats is just as fallible as making your "reads" exclusively from pokertracker numbers. they dont tell the whole story. and you DONT know that a neutral site would produce different results. they did not play on a neutral site, nor will they, most likely. home field advantage has a little more to do with football than us playing poker at my house. the "lucky bounces" will happen in either place.

and, no, the best team doesnt always win. the rams will win at least one game this year (i think). i believe someone referenced the cardinals in baseball last year, too. that is a very true statement.

anyway, i'm done "stirring the pot." maybe this should be a lesson in tilt. you guys are clearly more "worked up" due to the "table idiot" than he is due to you. you have let "table idiot" take you completely off your focus by trying and trying to prove to him that he sucks.

[WildBobAA]

Chopper, you didn't answer my question, who do you think the best college football team is and why?

[Chopper]

i really dont know. i havent watched enough nationally to give a solid answer.

i would be inclined to say OU. but thats only because i dont have a lot of respect for the Big 10 this year, and the SEC always beats itself up a bit. look out west to Oregon (thats prolly as dumb a statement as i can make), and you may think that they have a shot, but i dont know how solid they are. i was never a believer a few years ago when they had that high powered offense. hell, i cant remember who their QB was, and i should.

this is kind of a weird year, imo. there arent any super dominating teams that i am USED to seeing. that doesnt mean that USF isnt for real, or BC, i just refuse to believe this early. if they continue to run out, give them a great team in a bowl, and we'll see how they do. i dont know if we will know much before then. but, i havent looked at their schedules to see who they still have to play, either.

it has to be someone near the top of the polls. they usually get at least that far. that is why i like playoffs including the top 8-10 teams. i think if you can get a champion out of that, anyone outside the top 10 really cant bitch too hard.

there is still a large part of the schedules left to play, and a lot can still change. but, i dont know how much clearer the picture can get when the top 10 rarely plays itself due to all the conferences.

clearly, i havent paid that much attention. like i said, i was just trying to stir the pot a bit to see if i could get someone fired up. thats how i get up to speed on what everyone else thinks. then, i can do a bit of research and go from there.

can i get back to you in a couple days?

[bigspenda73]

how did this not get bumped?

um, I can see everyone losing in the top 5 except for Oregon and OU (assuming OU beats KU in big 12 champ game). The O still has to play Michigan, LSU is playing tight every week, and KU has to get through Missouri and OU.

Damn, gonna be a crazy next 3-4 weeks.

[Chopper]

yeah, i'm starting to become a believer in the 'Hawks. i still doubt they will get past either MU or OU, certainly not both. but, to destroy Nebraska the way they did, shows some moxy. i know they gave up 39, but to hang 76 on the Big Red Machine is exacting some revenge for all the whoopins NU put on us. it's nice to get one back.

i see OU coming out of the Big 12, but the interesting thing to me is:

Cant Michigan still represent the Big 10? they still have a game against OSU, right? and, if they win that one, isnt there a scenario where they could win the conference? i think i read that somewhere, and if so, man, will i be eating some crow for saying they were done after week 2. Bob? if anyone would know, i think it would be you.

[WildBobAA]

Chopper, I said this in a previous post that if Michigan wins out, they will get the conference's automatic BCS bid and represent the conference in the Rose Bowl.

Michigan could even lose to Wisconsin next week and then beat Ohio State and Michigan would still get the automatic bid because Michigan and Ohio State would both then have 1 loss in the conference but since Michigan won head to head, Michigan would get the automatic bid even though Michigan would have 2 losses overall and OSU would have 1.

[Chopper]

right. that i understand, but it blows my mind. thats all.