I'm a racist

[ZwiFT]

According to my best friend, roommate and who happens to be black.

During a recent conversation with him, we talked about dating. I brought up that I would never date a black girl. Too me, this is just a personal preference.

He went into a rage, calling me a racist. And that if we asked anyone they would say that I'm a racist for thinking like that. He also challenged me to do just that. I declined the offer. I'm not gonna asks friends/people this when he is around, because I think I would get a lot of bias answers.

I believe that I'm allowed to chose my partners, whatever race it is, and that it comes down to personal preference and not racism. But what do you guys believe?


I don't fuck other men but that doesn't make me homophobic

[bikes]

God bless you norwegians.

[eugmac]

well, it's kind of crazy that you are convinced that you know everything about black girls to exclude them from your dating pool from the get go. being more attracted to white blonde girls is another thing. saying "i'll never ever date x" is another.

[wufwugy]

It doesn't make you racist, it makes you myopic

It's a disservice to all that racism has been improperly equated with preferences. Instead of calling people with silly preferences about race racist, we should call them stupid

I wouldn't date most black girls. I also wouldn't date most white girls. The same is probably true for you, except you don't realize it and instead prefer to characterize people improperly

[OngBonga]

Well... if you make the blanket statement "I wouldn't fuck a girl if she's black" then yeah that's kinda racist. If you say something like "I'd fuck a black chick if she's cute, but fact is I don't find that many black chicks attractive" then you have grounds to say it's a personal preference thing. I don't find all that many black chicks attractive. But that doesn't mean to say I wouldn't date a black girl. Some are cute, and also cute isn't the only important criterion when deciding if I want to date someone. Maybe she's not particularly attractive but fucking funny. Well, I'll give it a go if she's keen.

I wouldn't date a French girl though. Not unless she promised to shave her armpits and not speak.

[rong]

So you're not racist, you're just a douche.

But seriously, why wouldn't you date a black chick?

[Savy]

I wouldn't date most black girls. I also wouldn't date most white girls. The same is probably true for you, except you don't realize it and instead prefer to characterize people improperly

I always think that I tend to find white women on average to be more attractive, however maybe this is just me being racist as I see loads more white people day to day and I wouldn't sleep with a lot of them, so with a smaller sample size maybe is the real reason.

I don't see how you can say you wouldn't date a black girl though.

[wufwugy]

I always think that I tend to find white women on average to be more attractive, however maybe this is just me being racist as I see loads more white people day to day and I wouldn't sleep with a lot of them, so with a smaller sample size maybe is the real reason.

I don't see how you can say you wouldn't date a black girl though.

It's for a variety of issues that include what you're used to, who you know, the sort of things you like

There are a lot of really hot black girls, but most non-black people only know a few black people total, so they tend to forget that.

[boost]

It really depends. I think "never" hurts your case. I am half black and I've never dated a black girl, and if I were honest in ranking ethnicities by who I've been attracted to, Sub-Saharan African would certainly not be at the top. I don't know why this is-- the Freudian may point out that my mother is white, but I tend to think that's ultra simplistic. But having an aversion so strong that you would literally never consider dating a black woman is something. I am curious though, is it only dating? Would you have sex with a black woman? If you'd consider them fit for sex, but not suitable for a relationship, based on race, that's pretty telling. Of course these things are nuanced, and you could not be racist, but turn down the hypothetical relationship due to social pressures.

Anyways, I think that while you may not be racist, if you said what you said without tact, or if your friend is quick to kneejerk reactions, or a combination of the two, I can understand how this could blow up. It would probably help if you actually figured out where your preferences stem from, and then try to explain in a reasoned way why you feel the way you do. If he can't come to terms with the fact that people do have racial preferences in their attraction to the opposite sex, and that these preferences aren't necessarily steep in racism, then he's just being overly PC.

Oh, and btw, homosexuality is a sexual orientation, being attracted to a person of a different race is not a sexual orientation. Don't conflate the two and hope to absolve yourself of being a bigot, you're only digging yourself deeper by doing so.

[ZwiFT]

I wouldn't date most black girls. I also wouldn't date most white girls. The same is probably true for you, except you don't realize it and instead prefer to characterize people improperly

This. I realise that my wording is terrible when I say that 'I would never'. I would, but she would have to almost a perfect match and in a different league than me. If we were talking about norwegians/whites/asians etc I'm much more open to flaws in personality, looks etc.

The reason I said 'never' is simply because I don't see myself ending up with a black partner in this lifetime. I just can't see it. I'm 99.99999% sure that I won't. However, I agree, I can't say that it will never happen. It's stupid to say that.

[d0zer]

my mother is white

pics or thread is useless

[Savy]

Oh, and btw, homosexuality is a sexual orientation, being attracted to a person of a different race is not a sexual orientation. Don't conflate the two and hope to absolve yourself of being a bigot, you're only digging yourself deeper by doing so.

How much is this is actually conscious choice? Do people have any control over physical features that they find attractive in other humans? Why is preferring pale skinned women to dark skinned women any different to preferring men to women?

[jackvance]

This is totally normal and his reaction is one of typical racism-phobia. This exist heavily within black people and within the global mindset. I'm not trying to dismiss their feelings about this as irrational btw. They are enforced in thinking this way through the media and other social relations. When you say something bad about black people, to them it feels like you are insulting them too.

Just switch black with something else and how would he react. "I don't date spanish/italian women. They always seemed very warm-blooded and emotional to me. I don't know but this just never appealed to me. I prefer women like here in norway that are more laid back."

Would he still big deal call you a racist here?

[Savy]

Just switch black with something else and how would he react. "I don't date spanish/italian women. They always seemed very warm-blooded and emotional to me. I don't know but this just never appealed to me. I prefer women like here in norway that are more laid back."

Do you honestly not see why that is just as bad? Just because that wouldn't get pulled up as much doesn't mean it isn't bad.

This all essentially boils down to how stupid it is to try and characterize everyone of a certain race or nationality into a stereotypical group. Although it is quite funny how doing exactly that was a very important evolutionary trait.

[ZwiFT]

I am curious though, is it only dating? Would you have sex with a black woman? If you'd consider them fit for sex, but not suitable for a relationship, based on race, that's pretty telling. Of course these things are nuanced, and you could not be racist, but turn down the hypothetical relationship due to social pressures.

Oh, and btw, homosexuality is a sexual orientation, being attracted to a person of a different race is not a sexual orientation. Don't conflate the two and hope to absolve yourself of being a bigot, you're only digging yourself deeper by doing so.

I would be more inclined to fuck black girls than to date them. Black girls don't turn me on that much, I watch porn every day, but never with black girls. Don't get me wrong, I get turned on by all hot girls, regardless of ethnicity. But if you take a average looking asian girl and a average looking black girl my choice is really easy.

I see myself ending up with a average looking girl. This might help influence me in not choosing a black girl.


The homosexuality thing, I put it out there to be a bit edgy, maybe to be a bit funny. Don't look to much into it!

[jackvance]

How much is this is actually conscious choice? Do people have any control over physical features that they find attractive in other humans? Why is preferring pale skinned women to dark skinned women any different to preferring men to women?

Some things are hardwired and others are picked up after you are born based on your experiences. The features like a deep jaw line and narrow eyes (manly) or nicely curved bodies (very feminin) are the ones we instinctively look for without having to learn about it from experience.

As for the learning aspect, in general how our mind works is that we take the average of all the faces we have seen in our lifetime, and use that as a reference point. People who we find the most attractive are the ones who 1. are closest to the average of all the faces you have seen (this may sounds backwards but google it if you aren't familiar with this concept) 2. have a good amount of male/female features.

A widely recognized consequence of looking for familiar faces is that it is very difficult to differentiate for example asians people when you never see them much. From an asian person's perspective, the same holds true if they just sparingly see whites. It's an effect of the media propagating multi-cultural images of people that are white, black, asian and everything else. It expands your mental database and reference frame.

[OngBonga]

I don't particularly like black women in porn. Well, afro-carribean anyway. I don't mind me a bit of Muslim porn though, so long as there's no men in it.

You watch porn every day? That's something. I'm single, I have a high sex drive, but I don't watch porn daily. I only watch porn when I can't be bothered to think about my hot female friends. My imagination turns me on a lot more than some random slut flicking her bean.

[jackvance]

Do you honestly not see why that is just as bad? Just because that wouldn't get pulled up as much doesn't mean it isn't bad.

This all essentially boils down to how stupid it is to try and characterize everyone of a certain race or nationality into a stereotypical group. Although it is quite funny how doing exactly that was a very important evolutionary trait.

I find it interesting that your mind only seems to work in one way. When you see a post, you think about what you can disagree with. If nothing, you don't reply. That's a very one-track mind to have.

[kiwiMark]

In his defense, he also posted once how he wouldn't want to spend a long time having sex with me

[d0zer]

yeao zwift, long time bud. Hey wasn't that ass dildo you bought black? what about that?

[kiwiMark]

So like, when you think of racism, and then you think of all the problems with it and ultimately everything that make racism bad, I'm thinking you have to try pretty fuckin' hard to care that some white dude would rather stick it in asian holes than darker ones

[jyms]

I've fucked a few black women. Never dated one though. Same with Asians. No reason other than they were hot but not the dating type. I would date any woman if she's right.

I'd like to add, I do find black women hot. I find them to be more athletic or muscular and I've always preferred that

[JKDS]

Its close because you use the term "never", meaning you're probably applying a few general unwanted characteristics to the whole of the dark women populace. I dont think a turn off based on physical characteristics would be racist though. Itd have to be that your reasoning was "all black women are whack women" or something.

[supa]

yeao zwift, long time bud. Hey wasn't that ass dildo you bought black? what about that?

Is there a difference between an ass dildo and a regular one?

[kiwiMark]

Depends if you're russian or not

[ZwiFT]

yeao zwift, long time bud. Hey wasn't that ass dildo you bought black? what about that?

Lol! d0zer! You remember that? I thought you smoked the pot? Btw, it was black, but it doesn't count.. It didn't come with a face.

[Savy]

I find it interesting that your mind only seems to work in one way. When you see a post, you think about what you can disagree with. If nothing, you don't reply. That's a very one-track mind to have.

It just seems that way to you because you come out with some right tripe.

[jackvance]

You're just too stupid to understand.

[Luco]

I agree with the general consensus that while you may not be racist, your phrasing sucks and you prolly deserved heat for it.

Generally I find that physical appearance matters less and less the more you get to know someone. Like, you meet an average girl and get talking, then you find out she's kinda cool and you have a lot of the same interests, so you hang out and she makes you laugh and then you realise she's got a great smile / eyes / whatevs but you're only noticing it now because she's grown on you, that sort of thing.

Now substitute 'average' for 'black'. You saying it could never happen?

[rong]

Luco summed up how it works most of the time. I see no reason why a particular race would fall outside that without some kind of racial stereotyping at the very least. Saying that in general you don't dig black chicks would be ok imo, but still likely to offend. You are certainly insensitive to race issues. I don't know if that makes you racist.

[eugmac]

I could also see like if you were really shallow and only cared about appearance you might say such a thing, where all of those things Luco mentioned didn't matter. I'm sure there are guys out there who just want a dumb blonde fuck-thing.

[Luco]

I could also see like if you were really shallow and only cared about appearance you might say such a thing, where all of those things Luco mentioned didn't matter. I'm sure there are guys out there who just want a dumb blonde fuck-thing.

+1 I was definitely thinking 'shallow' could be an answer when I read the OP

[Renton]

Grunching, but I've dated a black chick and generally prefer the look of white and asian. I think to say you'd never date a black woman is kind of racist but to state that black women aren't really your cup of tea is fine. Semantics, sure, but the words matter. The fact is though that there are things about black women that one might find unattractive, like frizzy hair. Similarly I don't generally find German women attractive because they are all like 5'11" behemoths. Races simply have different gene patterns and it is not racist to recognize that.

All that said I think you'd have a better time in life if you'd just see the beauty in all women, as corny as it sounds. I want to fuck like 90% of the 300 women I see over the course of the average day and I think that's pretty healthy. I'm in Thailand though.

[rong]

I want to fuck like 90% of the 300 women I see over the course of the average day and I think that's pretty healthy. I'm in Thailand though. And therefore can.

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[OngBonga]

I wouldn't fuck a Belgian. Too close to French.

[Galapogos]

I want to fuck like 90% of the 300 women I see over the course of the average day and I think that's pretty healthy. I'm in Thailand though.

If 90% of the women we saw in a day were even remotely attractive guys would probably never get married. Thailand sounds like the promise land if this is actually the case.

[WillburForce]

My ex was mixed race (her Mum was white, Dad was black). My current gf is the palest white girl ever to live (fact). Who gives a fuck?

And JV I thought you were from South Africa?

[jackvance]

And JV I thought you were from South Africa?

That is my alter ego jack sawyer perhaps? I thought he lived in the carribean though.

[d0zer]

Is there a difference between an ass dildo and a regular one?

pretty sure this one was actually designed for the ass...I seem to recall a taint tickler that was designed differently than the clit tickler you see on the chick ones.

[bikes]

[WillburForce]

That is my alter ego jack sawyer perhaps? I thought he lived in the carribean though.

Ah! (Are you black?)

[jackvance]

I dunno if you are joking or not? I'm caucasian.

[spoonitnow]

It's only racist if you say it, not if you're thinking it, apparently.

[aubreymcfate]

It's only racist if you say it, not if you're thinking it, apparently.

Apologies if it seems obnoxious that I'm only posting here to rebut your point, but... that's not what anyone said, at all. The emphasis they placed was on the sentiment that he would never date a black girl. Where in this thread did anyone say he was wrong simply because he openly expressed that?

[spoonitnow]

Apologies if it seems obnoxious that I'm only posting here to rebut your point, but... that's not what anyone said, at all. The emphasis they placed was on the sentiment that he would never date a black girl. Where in this thread did anyone say he was wrong simply because he openly expressed that?

Sorry for the misunderstanding. The point I was trying to quickly make is that he wouldn't have been called a racist if he wouldn't have told a black guy that he wouldn't ever date a black girl. One of those "if a tree falls in the woods" type situations.

As for the actually not wanting to date black girls, I don't see that any different from any other preference (fat, skinny, Asian, long hair, whatever). Nobody has a right to tell a guy what preferences he should or shouldn't have when it comes to women.

[eugmac]

sure, but as long as you don't do shit based on your racist beliefs, whether it be saying offensive things or acting in a racist way, you don't really harm anybody.

[aubreymcfate]

Sorry for the misunderstanding. The point I was trying to quickly make is that he wouldn't have been called a racist if he wouldn't have told a black guy that he wouldn't ever date a black girl. One of those "if a tree falls in the woods" type situations.

Oh I see your point. I mean yeah, that's true. If someone doesn't do anything racist (whatever that means - join the KKK, openly discriminate against someone, etc.) but holds racist beliefs, that wouldn't be obvious if they never expressed it. I think if you're truly a racist though, it'll come out in your behavior or language at some point or another.

I think the sentiment of "never" wanting to date anyone of another race is rooted in racism, but I don't know if I'd call him a racist for it. But it would also depend on why he would never want to date them. If it's sexual attraction, then I think that speaks to a broader issue of how we are conditioned to view beauty from a young age, and how the Western white woman has become this idealized aesthetic. But if his reason was something like "They're all loud and obnoxious" then I would call him a racist. It seems pretty clear though that it's the former.

[WillburForce]

I would never date an American because there accent and spelling would piss me off.

[eugmac]

I would never date an American because there accent and spelling would piss me off.

Ironic grammar error saved for posterity.

[WillburForce]

You see what I did there. Hoping to get an ironic response. Moran.

[WillburForce]

un an un

[MadMojoMonkey]

Irony: When the actual meaning is the exact opposite of the literal meaning.

[WillburForce]

Irony: When the actual meaning is the exact opposite of the literal meaning.

In England we've based our whole culture on it.

[eugmac]

Doh.

[Savy]

Irony: When the actual meaning is the exact opposite of the literal meaning.

It's scary to think how often in day to day life what I say means the exact opposite of what I mean.

It's especially strange how people from certain countries get it and others don't, was one of the most interesting things about having lots of people from all over when I was at uni.

[eugmac]

Willbur you also spelled moron wrong.

[eugmac]

It's scary to think how often in day to day life what I say means the exact opposite of what I mean.

It's especially strange how people from certain countries get it and others don't, was one of the most interesting things about having lots of people from all over when I was at uni.

This is a real English trait, as Willbur pointed out. That's why Germans get frustrated in England, and English can't stand Germans. Germans just say what they mean, and the English get offended.

[WillburForce]

This is a real English trait, as Willbur pointed out. That's why Germans get frustrated in England, and English can't stand Germans. Germans just say what they mean, and the English get offended.

That's why the German's invaded Poland. They thought we were being ironic when we said we'd get involved.

[eugmac]

I thought I'd point out that your apostrophe use is incorrect. Wed is one word.

[WillburForce]

I thought I'd point out that your apostrophe use is incorrect. Wed is one word.

Gramma nazi's

[jackvance]

I shouldn't correct his intentional spelling mistake because that's the most obvious joke to make. So to show that I know this maybe I should make a joke showing that I know this. But Will might be on that level too. To beat him, I have to go to level 2 and do a double reverse.

You see what I did there. Hoping to get an ironic response. Moran.

*Moron

[kiwiMark]

Moran pretty much more common spelling than moron on internets now anyways

[WillburForce]

Moran pretty much more common spelling than moron on internets now anyways

It is so common that it is now in the Oxford English Dictionary as an alternative spelling.

[ZwiFT]

original moran

[d0zer]

yeah jackvance, get a brane.

[WillburForce]

yeah jackvance, get a brane.

shut it Daven

[Jack Sawyer]

Late to the party I am, as now a grammar thread become it has

According to my best friend, roommate and who happens to be black.

During a recent conversation with him, we talked about dating. I brought up that I would never date a black girl. Too me, this is just a personal preference.

He went into a rage, calling me a racist. And that if we asked anyone they would say that I'm a racist for thinking like that. He also challenged me to do just that. I declined the offer. I'm not gonna asks friends/people this when he is around, because I think I would get a lot of bias answers.

I believe that I'm allowed to chose my partners, whatever race it is, and that it comes down to personal preference and not racism. But what do you guys believe?


I don't fuck other men but that doesn't make me homophobic

Is this racist? Perhaps. You are not giving a chance of any kind of relationship to some random girl because of her skin color. Solely because of that. But I believe it's a little bit more nuanced than that, so you should probably get a pass.


Nevertheless, Wuf speaks the truth
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It doesn't make you racist, it makes you myopic

It's a disservice to all that racism has been improperly equated with preferences. Instead of calling people with silly preferences about race racist, we should call them stupid

I wouldn't date most black girls. I also wouldn't date most white girls. The same is probably true for you, except you don't realize it and instead prefer to characterize people improperly

Grunching, but I've dated a black chick and generally prefer the look of white and asian. I think to say you'd never date a black woman is kind of racist but to state that black women aren't really your cup of tea is fine. Semantics, sure, but the words matter. The fact is though that there are things about black women that one might find unattractive, like frizzy hair. Similarly I don't generally find German women attractive because they are all like 5'11" behemoths. Races simply have different gene patterns and it is not racist to recognize that.

Funny, my current girl is about 6'1"

All that said I think you'd have a better time in life if you'd just see the beauty in all women, as corny as it sounds. I want to fuck like 90% of the 300 women I see over the course of the average day and I think that's pretty healthy. I'm in Thailand though.

A sound approach to life. I like

sure, but as long as you don't do shit based on your racist beliefs, whether it be saying offensive things or acting in a racist way, you don't really harm anybody.

This is quite right as well. No one gives a shit about what you think as long as it's personal and it doesn't affect others. The moment it does, then it will have to be dealt with accordingly.

[oskar]

What does that mean you would never date a black girl? How black? What shade black would be acceptable: Halle Berry, Kelis, Alica Keys?

[jyms]

Dude, seriously?

[rong]

chick in white top is smokin!

[jackvance]

What does that mean you would never date a black girl? How black? What shade black would be acceptable: Halle Berry, Kelis, Alica Keys?

I'd marry that much green.

[aubreymcfate]

pretty much /thread after jyms's post.

i always thought this girl was painfully beautiful.

[rong]

I can't help imagining she has nostrils which flare too much for my liking.

[jackvance]

I prefer a look like this:




(in response to that rather unattractive list posted above)

[Pascal]

incred list wp