I know the correct answer but I still can't solve this:
https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/paJjrMl.jpg
Spoiler:top middle (edit: it was actually bottom right)
11-21-2016 11:05 AM
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I need help from a geniusI know the correct answer but I still can't solve this: | |
Last edited by pocketfours; 11-21-2016 at 03:04 PM. | |
11-21-2016 11:27 AM
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Any specific rules and criteria or just which is the missing piece? |
11-21-2016 11:54 AM
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Seems like a pattern recognition puzzle, but I recognize no patterns. | |
11-21-2016 01:17 PM
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Tried. | |
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11-21-2016 02:24 PM
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It's the last question of a pattern matching IQ-test. Just google images for "iq test pattern". The logic can be just about anything. | |
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11-21-2016 02:32 PM
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The solution could be something like this: | |
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11-21-2016 02:32 PM
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Unfortunately I imagine I don't fall into the very minute groups of people who nail IQ tests completely. |
11-21-2016 02:36 PM
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Wait, is it not the bottom right one? |
11-21-2016 02:46 PM
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This was along the lines I was trying to work on. I noticed the bottom centre one kind of looked like half an upside-down 10. I tried viewing the images through a mirror at an angle, and tried tracing the outlines so I could place them on top of each other, and next to each other, but could see nothing. | |
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11-21-2016 02:46 PM
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11-21-2016 02:48 PM
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Can someone change my title to smartest man on ftr, thanks. |
11-21-2016 02:51 PM
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I can't figure out if you've actually solved it or if you two just think you might have. | |
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11-21-2016 02:53 PM
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It is clearly solved. | |
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11-21-2016 02:53 PM
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My way works but it doesn't give the answer given in OP, if he did the test and only changed one answer and got higher when he put my answer it would point that way. |
11-21-2016 02:58 PM
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Every one of these I've ever seen goes left to right, but it's never explicitly stated that they're supposed to and that's what annoys me the most. When I get lost I start searching in all directions and that just gets me more lost. | |
Last edited by oskar; 11-21-2016 at 03:04 PM.
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11-21-2016 03:02 PM
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I tried the test again, I now get top score with bottom right. The test is here (in Finnish but that doesn't matter): http://www.mensa.fi/iq/index_2.html (choose age, then press "Jatka" in blue). It's a simple 30 minute pattern recognition IQ test. | |
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11-21-2016 03:03 PM
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11-21-2016 03:07 PM
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The only reason I'd do an IQ test if someone told me that you could practice for one and not get top score. It seems like if you put in some daily practice you should be able to ace them every time. Not much of a game. | |
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11-21-2016 03:10 PM
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11-21-2016 03:10 PM
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This was just really annoying me. I'm not interested in joining Mensa as I would probably feel stupid there. | |
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11-21-2016 03:11 PM
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Ok so I figured out what savy is saying. | |
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11-21-2016 03:26 PM
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So all the ones in this test seem to go top to bottom. Again, this is just annoying. If you know that, it gets a lot easier. I feel like if you do them regularly you're much quicker to catch on to rules like that. Same with number sequence tests. You can be really smart but if you've never done one you get completely lost, but you could be really dumb and have someone tell you which sequences are important in these tests and have them score pretty high. At least in the standard IQ tests. The matrix67 one is all noise to me. | |
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11-21-2016 03:28 PM
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It doesn't annoy me that it doesn't specify whether it's left-right or up-down. I feel like if you can figure it out, well done. | |
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11-21-2016 03:30 PM
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Hence why IQ tests aren't a perfect thing. They have lots of biases. |
11-21-2016 03:34 PM
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11-21-2016 03:37 PM
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I def agree with this. Here is a very difficult one if you haven't seen one like it before: | |
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11-21-2016 03:37 PM
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Last edited by oskar; 11-21-2016 at 03:39 PM.
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11-21-2016 03:42 PM
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I would imagine with things like pattern recognition you have an almost infinite amount of patterns and infinite ways to use them to create problems. As I said you can improve your IQ by a few points with practice but it isn't making huge differences. This isn't based off what I think it's based on having read about people just doing that. The only caveat is all of these people were above average IQ to begin with, 120+ which may show that there are diminishing returns but going from 100 to 130ish (i.e. average to mensa) isn't happening. |
Last edited by Savy; 11-21-2016 at 03:45 PM. | |
11-21-2016 04:08 PM
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The word on Mensa is that it's a bunch of pre-cancer Walter Whites talking about how much potential they have. |
11-21-2016 04:16 PM
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I agree with this to some extent. A lot of these types of questions rely on a person being able to intuit out a rule after which the answer is obvious. And if the same rule is being used over and over again the reward is getting a lot more correct, which doesn't seem right. (Not to take away from Savy figuring out this one, because I never got it, though to be fair I assumed the answer given in the OP was the correct one). | |
11-21-2016 04:26 PM
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Fun facts about IQ: | |
11-21-2016 04:37 PM
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11-21-2016 04:41 PM
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@Oskar: IQ tests are extremely biased by their nature. They are designed to test what you are capable of learning during the test. I.e. they assume you have a certain skillset going in to take them, and they play on your ability to learn other skills which are presented in the test. | |
11-21-2016 04:50 PM
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Can I just point out that I also thought the original answer was correct but to find the answer I was looking for a pattern and found the pattern and hence got the answer. It's unlikely that there is a pattern there that doesn't give the correct answer otherwise it would be a bad puzzle. I'd also argue that I'd have gotten the answer quicker if I had the correct answer from the beginning. |
Last edited by Savy; 11-21-2016 at 04:53 PM. | |
11-21-2016 04:52 PM
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What kinds of pattern recognition are there? |
11-21-2016 04:54 PM
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This may be true for the question presented ITT, but it's not generally true of IQ test questions I don't think. But maybe we've been given different tests. | |
11-21-2016 04:57 PM
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11-21-2016 04:59 PM
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I don't get what you mean really but here is an asnwer. If you can spot a pattern in something and that pattern is in someway useful then being able to spot that pattern is a bonus over those who can't spot it because then you only have to determine the use of it, which if you spot more patterns in things you become better at too. |
11-21-2016 05:03 PM
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11-21-2016 05:07 PM
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11-21-2016 05:07 PM
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I'm wondering about the different categories of pattern types. Say somebody in a social situation goes from calm to upset for non-obvious reasons. I'm generally good at recognizing the patterns that can help explain why. What I'm not good at is recognizing the kinds of patterns relevant for the example in the OP. |
11-21-2016 05:11 PM
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11-21-2016 05:12 PM
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I'm not sure how it works. I'd somewhat group the two together but as you say there are clearly groups of people who are good at one and very bad at the other. I'd reckon that patterns like the OP are actually very simple and direct in comparison whereas picking up on changes in human emotion is very complicated and there isn't actually a correct answer just lots of signs that point to an answer which is usually correct if that makes sense. |
Last edited by Savy; 11-21-2016 at 05:16 PM. | |
11-21-2016 05:12 PM
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11-21-2016 05:20 PM
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Hahaha. Maybe you have trouble with language then. If someone asks you a question like 'how many different types of cheese are there?' the answer usually is a number possibly with an explanation. It's not 'I'm an expert on cheddar and that's really a valuable skill to have'. | |
11-21-2016 05:21 PM
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11-21-2016 05:23 PM
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11-21-2016 05:29 PM
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Or you know it isn't something that I thought could be answered by saying there are x amount of cheeses. Is solving patterns in shapes that different to solving patterns with letters? At what point does something become a type of pattern? The point I was more getting at was that pattern recognition in a test like the one in OP is the same as being able to spot patterns in trends for things like productivity of workers at certain times of the day and getting an idea of why this happens. Hence lumping them all together. Then wuf made a good point and made me reconsider what I was saying. |
11-21-2016 05:30 PM
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I'm just razzing you. Forget about it. | |
11-21-2016 05:33 PM
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Yeah... I was just reading the link to the wiki page about multiple intelligences, and I knew I had some wrong assumptions in my prior post. | |
11-21-2016 05:38 PM
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The funny thing is that IQ tests do that better than any other form of test that I've seen. There was a show about child geniuses in the UK a while ago that followed kids who had stupidly high IQs from a very young age. Two children of the same age both who had IQ's like 170ish at the age of ~12 one was studying undergraduate courses and the other wasn't even top of his class in a standard comprehensive school. |
11-21-2016 05:38 PM
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11-21-2016 05:58 PM
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11-21-2016 06:16 PM
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I think there's something to what you say - that a person's intelligence is generally stable and will remain similar throughout life. But there is also an element of nurture in it, too. To take an extreme example, if two kids with the same genome are raised in starkly different environments, one who goes to good schools may end up with a very high IQ and one who the parents keep locked in a dark basement will have a low one. So perhaps the best way to think of intelligence is as 'learning potential' or some such. | |
11-21-2016 06:17 PM
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11-21-2016 06:25 PM
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Another fun IQ test fact: | |
11-21-2016 06:50 PM
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I'm not saying it's a good point, but it's like measuring your height. Maybe it's not what you wish it was, but it is yours. The exact result is probably not going to be surprising to you. (You strike me as more self-aware than most.) | |
11-21-2016 06:54 PM
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11-21-2016 07:04 PM
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11-22-2016 09:31 PM
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i have no idea what's going on | |
11-23-2016 09:39 AM
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gmml confirmed basement slave. | |
11-23-2016 11:02 AM
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Tim Davey is a smart guy. | |
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11-24-2016 12:48 AM
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11-24-2016 09:03 AM
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11-26-2016 02:51 PM
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11-27-2016 02:26 PM
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42? |
11-27-2016 05:45 PM
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It's a magic eye thing, trees in a field. | |
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11-27-2016 06:36 PM
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