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    Default I hate my F-ing In Laws

    The title says it all. These people are the most aggravating individuals I've ever encountered in my life, and early in my marriage I seriously seriously contemplated divorcing my wife, just to get away from these two douchebags.

    Specifically, I'm talking about my wife's mother and her brother. My wife's father died over 20 years ago, I never met him. And I'm not too concerned about the mother. She's old, meddling, pompous, and absolutely hates the fact that I've embraced Jesus Christ as my savior. But she's an old hag, and I can avoid her pretty well.

    My brother in law is a completely different story. I could fill pages and pages of with anecdotes of his many many many failings. But basically the short version is that he is approaching 30. Has been enrolled in college in some degree (part time/fulltime/nights) pretty much continuously since he graduated high school.

    His professional life includes a modest collection of nametags and hairnets. His most successful endeavor was a coffee-slinging job at Starbucks. He even got promoted once. But ultimately his naive attitude, and complete lack of social tact got him fired when he decided that since the sexist jokes weren't offensive to him, they wouldn't be offensive to anyone else.

    He has been supported throughout his 20's financially by his mother. Rent, gas, car insurance, tuition, books, supplies, clothes, shoes, food, everything is paid for by her. He has shown some signs of becoming financially independent, and currently covers about 60% of his bills on his own.

    There is SOOOO much more, and I'll get it off my chest someday.

    But the real problem stems from his recent descent into madness after the one girlfriend he ever had broke up with him. It was sad, he even gave her an engagement ring that he bought off of a carribean street vendor for $6.

    He used a doctor's note from when he was like 9 that said he had ADHD. He took it to a certain doctor who then gave him a prescription for pot, (He lives in CA). He went totally bonkers, and alienated everyone.

    One night, he got drunk with some of his friends and called my wife in the middle of the night (we're east coast so it was REAL late here). He and his friends spend a few minutes leaving a VERY raunchy and sexually explicit message on her voicemail.

    I was beyond pissed. I called hm back and got his voicemail. I left a very angry (but not threatening) message on his voicemail. I simply explained to him that he was very lucky to be 3000 miles away and that if he ever contacted my wife again, there would be a problem.

    his text message back to me was the following "still trying 2 piece the night together, but let me assure you, ever yell at me or demand anything i will slit your throat and bathe in your blood". There were some subsequent texts explaining the he wasn't welcome in my home anymore, and that he is forbidden from having any contact with my family. He responded that he was ok with that.

    Well now he has a stable job (not a good or even reasonably paying job), pays about 3/4 of his own bills, has a steady girlfriend (though she's obviously nutso), and is on some kind of track to finish school sometime before he gets to retirement age. My wife went out to CA to visit her mother and saw him. Apparently he's in therapy, off the pot, and kind of has his act together.

    He is planning a visit, and my wife has already agreed. I guess I'm kinda pissed that she would do that without really talking to me about it. But ultimately that's a separate issue, and I really didn't have any hope of separating my wife from her only family anyway.

    Apparently he told my wife that he plans on apologizing to me for the way he acted. My feeling is that whatever he says is bullshit. I have absolutely zero respect for this guy and am quite sure that there isn't an ounce of remorse in his body.

    It also seems really lame to me that almost a year has passed and he hasn't said one word to me. he has my phone number, my email, my address, and my facebook contact info. if he really wanted to apologize he could have done so at any time. It seems highly suspect that the apology will only appear when he's on my doorstep and wants a place to stay.

    The way I see it I have two options:

    1) The instant I see him, I beat the bag out of him
    2) Listen to his apology, then give him a lecture on what I am, and am not going to tolerate in my home, and around my family.

    I'm leaning towards #2, but the prospect of #1 and dealing with the aftermath later sounds REALLY tempting.

    The idea of accepting his apology and trying to maintain a civil relationship is not happening, so don't suggest it.

    Basically, I have to let this guy into my house at some point. I just need some suggestion on how to make sure that he behaves himself.
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    Feel better?
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    I've embraced Jesus Christ as my savior.
    accepting his apology and trying to maintain a civil relationship is not happening

    Isn't it fun how you can just pick and choose which aspects of your God's rules and teachings you want to follow?
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    I found it interesting that he was the religious one and the mom wasn't. Typically it's the other way around. This might be the first case I've ever heard where it's like that.. not that it should ever really become an issue in the first place.

    Anyway, it seems like everyone has fights and disagreements with their in-laws. Except me. My bro in law is pretty f'ing cool

    And as a general rule, anyone who ever threatened to 'slit my throat and bathe in my blood' would never be allowed in my house under any circumstances, ever. The risk/reward ratio is all fucked up there.
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    "Fuck that idea. He threatened to kill me. I'm not letting him in my home. Are you insane?"
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    It seems I've confused you all a little. I apologize for that.

    I'm not a religious person, but was raised catholic. This is a significant source of turmoil for my jewish mother-in-law. I was just trying to be clever in how I phrased it, but seem to have failed monstrously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BennyLaRue View Post
    Feel better?
    Kinda, thanks!

    I have one confession to make here though. One time, this dude came for a visit and brought about $150 worth of comic books with him, new ones.

    He wanted to take a few days and go visit some friends he had in new york. He got into an argument with his mother about why he HAD to spend the money that she gave him on comic books, and then demanded that she give him more money to travel to NY.

    After he sufficiently berated his mother into giving him the money he left. My wife and mother-in-law went out shortly after that. My brother-in-law left his big stack of brand new comic books in a disheveled pile right in the middle of my living room.

    I went and got an exacto knife and very very carefully removed a random two pages from every single one of those comic books.
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    Wow, that last bit is super-passive-aggressive. Still, this is probably my fave part:

    "I left a very angry (but not threatening) message on his voicemail. I simply explained to him that he was very lucky to be 3000 miles away and that if he ever contacted my wife again, there would be a problem."

    I'll finish with this...if you hate your mother-in-law and she wants you to die in a grease fire anyway, why do you care that she used to support a person you also hate and shouldn't care about? I think you're stressin and you shouldn't. Live your own life.
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    I'm not really stressing about this guy being supported by his mother. I realize that it doesn't affect me at all. Though I do think it's pathetic, and to those of us that have achieved success and financial independence through hard work and education, it's a little frustrating to watch. I included some of that info just to pain a picture of what kind of epic loser I'm dealing with here.

    Ultimately though, it does come into play, like the example I gave about money to go to NY. Those kind of spats between he and his mother arise ALL the time, often in front of my kids.

    Realistically, he's got some problems. He has some learning disabilities, and he did grow up fatherless. I understand that's led to some complications in his life, but he's almost 30, it's time to overcome. My wife has alot more sympathy though, and that's what REALLY complicates this situation.

    There is an obvious answer here: He threatened me and made raunchy comments to my wife, I'm pretty sure there is a protocol that says I get to pound his gigantic nose through the back of his big boney head. Right?

    Unfortunately, that approach is garaunteed to create a whole new set of problems between me and my wife. She's not willing to see things as black and white as I do. Her mom is old, and her brother is the only other family she has. So just cutting him out of our lives is not really an option. Especially now that he's sort of got his act together, it's a tough sell.

    I'm kinda wondering how exactly I can make it clear to this dude that he's on SUPER thin ice, without causing a big scene.
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    ghaleon I think you're approaching this whole thing the wrong way man. I don't think you're going to accomplish shit by adopting such an aggressive attitude towards the guy. There is literally no upside to you beating the shit out of him, regardless of whether or not he has his life together. You married his sister, you've got to deal with this guy for the rest of your life bro. Or at least that's what it looks like on paper.

    There is literally no way something like that would just blow over, even after many years have passed.

    Basically you can:

    1) clench your teeth and deal, and count the minutes till the guy leaves town... like pretty much 99% of people would do in a situation like this

    2) talk to the guy about it, without getting all pissed off, and just make it clear that what he did was too much and won't be tolerated in the future. this won't work without you apologizing for vaguely threatening to kill him however.

    the best outcome for you would be that this dude does get his life together and some time down the line you may build some kind of marginally positive relationship with him. yeah there's very little upside, but it makes little sense to preclude any chance of it ever happening. weird as it sounds, you should actually be rooting for the poor guy.
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    pot - still making people violent all these years after refer madness should have taught us better.
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    What was the outcome of the comic book sabotage?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penneywize View Post
    There is literally no upside to you beating the shit out of him,
    Except that it will make me feel really really really good. And honestly, after he got raunchy with my wife (sister or not), I feel I'm making an enormous concession by allowing him to keep all of his teeth.

    Quote Originally Posted by Penneywize View Post
    Basically you can:

    1) clench your teeth and deal, and count the minutes till the guy leaves town... like pretty much 99% of people would do in a situation like this

    2) talk to the guy about it, without getting all pissed off, and just make it clear that what he did was too much and won't be tolerated in the future. this won't work without you apologizing for vaguely threatening to kill him however..
    1) No dice. this is where I think I need to tell mroe of the story, but it's really long and I doubt anyone here REALLY cares. But the cliffs notes are a) he treats his mother like absolute dog sh-t, even in public.
    b) He has no sense of how to be a respectful houseguest. I shouldn't find him at noon, on my couch, with his boxers around his knees, his ass exposed, and his face buried in a cushion soaked in his drool while the bed with clean sheets that I provided for him goes unused.
    c) He says hateful and hurtful things TO my kids. He didn't like the way my 9 year old was acting on a family vacation one time so he got in her face and told her that he would buy presents for her sisters, but not her. The kid was devastated.

    2) Oh we will have a talk. I am going to make sure that there is no question in his mind about what the expectations are. a) He is going to refrain from drinking, smoking, yelling, swearing, burping, farting, or even sneezing around my kids. b)He is going to treat his mother, my wife, and my daughters like queens. c) he is going to sleep in a bedroom, and he is going to keep it tidy. There's probably more, but that's a good start.

    Quote Originally Posted by Penneywize View Post
    the best outcome for you would be that this dude does get his life together .
    Completely disagree. The best outcome for me would be if a piano falls on his head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by celtic123 View Post
    What was the outcome of the comic book sabotage?
    I wish I knew. I never heard anything. I think there is maybe a 5% chance that this kid is some kind of borderline illiterate. There's a chance he didn't even notice.

    I mean, 10 years on your bachelors degree? Something's up.
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    maybe its because of my upbringing and the way dear ole mum taught me things but a few people in my life have done equally horrible if not worse things and being angry and violent about it solves abso nothing imo actually might make things worse

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghaleon View Post
    I'm kinda wondering how exactly I can make it clear to this dude that he's on SUPER thin ice, without causing a big scene.
    Because when he breaks through the ice you're going to...?
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    accept his apology even if you dont mean it and see how it all plays out. otherwise you are now the one being a cunt

    if he fucks up his second chance then thats when i'd probably distance myself (and family) from him
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    bikes and mbiz are right, man. take it down a few notches. you can't change a person just by talking to him and telling him it has to be that way.
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    Calm the fuck down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmind View Post
    This
    Nope. First of all, he doesn't have three friggen cents to his name. So he couldn't afford a hotel. And frankly, insisting on the hotel is likely to cause the same amount of trouble as punching him in the mouth. So, if I'm going to go down that road, I would rather hit him.

    And besides, I wouldn't be punishing HIM. Obviously, his mother would have to pay for the hotel. The last time she did that for him, she got seriously burned. My in laws and my parents tagged along when we took the kids on a Disney Cruise. My brother-in-law just HAD to call his fiancee while he was away. Just in case you didn't know, phone calls from cruise ships cost like $7/minute. My mother in law almost died at the end of the cruise when she got the bill. The phone calls, plus the cocktails that he charged to the room came up to $2.5K.
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    Posting before I've read the thread cos can't contain my excitement at fresh drama in my commune!
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    Posting after I've read the thread cos I want to say

    1.

    congrats on finding option C, vent on the internet about how fucking tempted you are to beat the shit out of some guy who already had absolutely nothing going for him in life, so that you release some of your rage online before he arrives and can be halfway civil to him IRL.

    2.

    He is planning a visit, and my wife has already agreed. I guess I'm kinda pissed that she would do that without really talking to me about it. But ultimately that's a separate issue
    I see this as the key issue to be honest. I wouldn't be wasting time coming up with ways to improve or further destroy the relationship with brother, but try to get to a point with wiff that she understands your feelings on the subject. I'm not saying she cut off all ties with her family or with the brother, but inviting him to stay in a house the two of you share without checking with you first doesn't seem like it has to be happening. Assuming she knows the extent of how you feel.


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    obv you're a troll account of spoon's, what's up buddy
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    First, I don't know why you've resigned yourself to letting him into your house when you really don't want to. You make it clear to your wife that this is not cool, else the same kind of situations are going to keep cropping up without her knowing that you have a problem with it. Keeping shit like that bottled up instead of communicating openly is how so many relationships are destroyed.

    Second, I try to live my life cutting out shit people from it. He's a grown man and has to realize for himself what's best for him. Winding yourself up and lecturing him isn't going to do anything productive IMO. Like somebody else already posted, rather feel sorry for him that he's got such issues, and wish him all the best in finding his way, and don't let you get yourself emotionally involved in his troubles. If that means asking him politely (instead of passive-aggressively or threatningly etc) not to stay with you, but maybe at a motel instead, that's what you should do. Whether or not he can afford a motel is not your problem.

    I went and got an exacto knife and very very carefully removed a random two pages from every single one of those comic books.
    The best outcome for me would be if a piano falls on his head.
    See, now how does this kind of behaviour/attitude make you a better person than him?
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    Can I have phone number of wife to leave raunchy Vmails?

    THEN WHERE YA GONNA VENT?!?! HUH?!?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigred View Post
    Can I have phone number of wife to leave raunchy Vmails?

    THEN WHERE YA GONNA VENT?!?! HUH?!?!
    to his priest ldo
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    Posting your anger and unfulfilled aggression has gone someway towards healing the hatred you feel for this wanker.
    Writing down what he had done to you and your family has also healed you a tad.
    I'm worried that your anger maybe almost spent, you've aired a lot in this thread.

    Saying how you feel and what you want to do to him, helps stop you doing it, like therapy, self help.

    This isn't what we want here. I suggest, you accept his dumb apologies. Say, no worries, that was in the past etc...

    Then, when he fuchs up. Plot and scheme against him. Get your revenge. Then bump this thread , as and when shit happens with his antics and your comic book like revenge and keep us posted.

    How long till he arrives ?
    This thread will be more epic.
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    Let him in the house, act all pally, as soon as you get a moment with him, pull out the sharpest motherfucker of a knife you have and point it at his face, warning him that if he threatens you again you'll cut his eyes out. Then put the knife away and offer him a drink. That should sort things out.
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    Thanks for the input, Brits!
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    I'm a Briton. I find Brit offensive. Please apologise, and don't put a fucking z in apologise.
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    Like I would apologiZe to a dumb brit
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    I'm gonna go find the nearest kitten and stamp on it. And it's your fault.
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    You go to hotel, check in and take a break.

    Get out of town.
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    also if i was a conniving weasel and someone beat the shit outta me id snap go to the cops and oh my you get 1-7 years. plus it sets just such a great example for your daughters

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    Quote Originally Posted by boost View Post
    Isn't it fun how you can just pick and choose which aspects of your God's rules and teachings you want to follow?
    Christianity fail. Gotta agree with boost on this one.
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    yeah I think the thread consensus is you're being unreasonable / overly aggressive ghaleon. try a different approach imo.
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    1/ Pay for him to stay in a hotel

    2/ Go stay in a hotel, possibly taking your daughters

    This guy is basically family now, like it or not. Think long term. You have zero chance to maul him and walk away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penneywize View Post
    yeah I think the thread consensus is you're being unreasonable / overly aggressive ghaleon. try a different approach imo.
    I think his wish to not have this chump stay with him is perfectly reasonable... but clearly he is a passive aggressive nit that can't take charge of his life. If it were my house, this guy is not staying there. A guest not staying in the house is the default, so when you are in opposition in this situation, you are arguing from a pretty strong position.

    The fact that he has accepted that his brother in law is staying with him and the fact that his wife thought it was fine to just invite him is by far the most worrying thing in this clusterfuck. If he can't communicate to his wife that this is just unacceptable, or if despite him explaining this she is just like "it's my house too and he's my brother!"-- then this relationship is pretty much doomed imo.


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    Quote Originally Posted by boost View Post
    I think his wish to not have this chump stay with him is perfectly reasonable... but clearly he is a passive aggressive nit that can't take charge of his life. If it were my house, this guy is not staying there. A guest not staying in the house is the default, so when you are in opposition in this situation, you are arguing from a pretty strong position.

    The fact that he has accepted that his brother in law is staying with him and the fact that his wife thought it was fine to just invite him is by far the most worrying thing in this clusterfuck. If he can't communicate to his wife that this is just unacceptable, or if despite him explaining this she is just like "it's my house too and he's my brother!"-- then this relationship is pretty much doomed imo.


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    +1 to all this. I would attempt a wife swap with soggy chip dude:

    http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...on-177480.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by drmcboy View Post
    +1 to all this. I would attempt a wife swap with soggy chip dude:

    http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...on-177480.html

    man, I /threaded that shit.. I am proud of past-boost.

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