while i do think grrm is about using a shaggy dog story, i dont think dany would be it. you could argue stannis is it, but you could also argue that he served purpose of getting meli to the wall, etc.
06-01-2016 01:04 PM
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while i do think grrm is about using a shaggy dog story, i dont think dany would be it. you could argue stannis is it, but you could also argue that he served purpose of getting meli to the wall, etc. |
06-01-2016 02:17 PM
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I know this is the show thread, but now that the show is spoiling the books, do we still want this thread to be book knowledge free? | |
06-01-2016 02:41 PM
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i think we should add some book stuff, but it depends on what the show only people have to say. |
06-01-2016 09:06 PM
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No books that arnt officially released please | |
06-01-2016 09:46 PM
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Euron in the books is boss, but do you really think the show Euron is that bad? I think the casting is great. The Kings moot was a bit of a let down though. That was one of my favorite chapters in the whole series-- the Moot consisting of just Yara and Euron was weak, all the intrigue was lost, and they left out the dragon horn. I know this is tiptoeing into hyperbole, but without the horn, Euron winning the moot is close to being a plot hole. | |
06-01-2016 11:42 PM
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Show!Euron: "I don't mock the Drowned God; I am the Drowned God. From Oldtown to Qarth, when men see my sail, they pray." |
06-02-2016 12:00 AM
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Yeah man, you make solid points. I'm just trying to bolster my fanboydom as to have it last me through the end of the show. If this show flounders, and I have to come to terms with that fact-- I don't even.. | |
06-02-2016 12:02 AM
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The casting was good. My issue is artistic direction. It's the same with Daario. |
06-02-2016 12:06 AM
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06-02-2016 12:08 AM
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Again, solid points. | |
06-02-2016 12:10 AM
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yup. original casting certainly got the smarmy douchebag correct |
06-02-2016 08:23 PM
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The only thing anybody needs to know about Game of Thrones |
06-05-2016 11:51 PM
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What did it mean when Margaery gave the flower drawing to her grandmother? Their house symbol is a rose so is it her way of saying that she's still planning for the house despite telling her grandmother to leave? | |
06-06-2016 12:27 AM
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06-06-2016 01:10 PM
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arya theory that's about 75% a friend's and 25% mine: waif returns to jaqen saying it's done. jaqen says "a girl still lives" and sends waif back out to finish the job. in the meantime, arya realizes she's gonna die by bleeding out. she returns to the hobaw and tells jaqen to give her the death juice and promise her that he will kill cersei (and maybe the mountain and ilin payne). maybe she says to take her face and use that to show cersei whose responsible for her death in the last minutes. jaqen then gives her the death juice which is transformed into the cure juice. the many faced god sees her sacrifice, her gifts, her whatever, and spares her, he has more use for her. then jaqen tells her a death is owed and she must go find and kill waif. |
06-06-2016 01:17 PM
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i remember years ago before i read the books i had some heated arguments with several 2p2ers about hound being alive. they told me i was blind and he was obviously dead. the symbolism and character arc said otherwise. |
06-06-2016 04:52 PM
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The part with Arya was a bit much. She wouldn't let anyone get close to her and wouldn't be fooled by what appeared to be a sweet old lady. If she did get stabbed in the gut like that and then submerged in water for that long then it is hard to imagine how she could survive. | |
06-06-2016 04:55 PM
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scratch my arya theory. there's a much better one on reddit now. it explains your problem with how arya got caught too. |
06-06-2016 04:59 PM
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Wow, that spoiler is confusing. I need to wrap my head around that Arya theory. | |
06-06-2016 05:18 PM
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top reasons: |
06-06-2016 06:28 PM
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Oh wow, you're right in that it does explain why it was too easy for Arya to get caught. | |
06-06-2016 08:46 PM
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I thought he could only change to the face of a dead person. | |
Last edited by oskar; 06-07-2016 at 04:03 PM.
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06-07-2016 01:33 PM
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they showed arya's face on a dead fm already i think. the rules are fuzzy. it's probably that if you're in with the hobaw, fm can use your face. |
06-07-2016 04:06 PM
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06-07-2016 04:08 PM
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because the audience thinks it's arya. |
06-11-2016 10:38 PM
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dead pool for remaining eps: 75% on each of them dying: ramsay, yara, waif, tormund. |
06-12-2016 02:50 AM
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polly easier to do an alive pool. | |
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06-12-2016 02:53 AM
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06-12-2016 05:07 AM
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Sansa is gonna die, in a horrible way. She's here to suffer, and you never suffer more than when you start to believe and have hope. | |
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06-12-2016 05:23 AM
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you shut your dirty mouth! | |
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06-12-2016 06:26 AM
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I think she'll probably witness John die first. | |
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06-12-2016 08:01 AM
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Tormund, no! | |
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06-12-2016 01:27 PM
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I'm tryna interpret the D&D style. They rarely kill a character without giving that character play, and they often kill a character when he/she gets more play than normal. Except for the handful of "wrap things up deaths" (like Osha), they use the Oberyn strategy: get people fistpumping only to snatch it away at the last minute. |
06-12-2016 01:29 PM
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06-12-2016 03:36 PM
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I don't think LF sits the Iron Throne in the show, but I think there's a really high chance that when it show wraps it's foreshadowed that he will. I think there's almost zero chance that he gets his comeuppance. Unless it's in a way where Sansa essentially becomes the new LF. Like her meeting with him was the first time she actually took a step towards being his peer. Her laying out that she thinks he's scum, but then letting him live makes her seem like a weak little girl, and her letter writing probably continues this role, but this could be a sick student-surpasses-the-master arc. Any other downfall of LF has to involve good triumphing over evil, and that'll be stupid lame. | |
06-12-2016 04:09 PM
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i have a sneaking theory that littlefinger believes way more than he lets on, and that his attempts at gaining power are so that he can consolidate the fight against the walkers. if you think about it, somebody as truly shrewd as him may not just blow off the reports of what's going on in the north. |
06-12-2016 06:47 PM
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really mild book stuff, not spoilery, but has to do with differences between the show and books: | |
06-13-2016 12:33 AM
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Sup, dudes? | |
06-13-2016 08:03 PM
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easily bottom five all time got eps. the writing in this show can be so depressingly bad. which says a lot since adapting this book series to an ~80 episode hbo show IS ABSOLUTELY THE EASIEST JOB ANYBODY COULD EVER HAVE |
06-13-2016 08:15 PM
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dnd choose the silliest devices |
06-13-2016 09:34 PM
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Yeah, this episode wasn't very good. I know Arya is bad ass and she drank the special drink or whatever but seeing her run around like that after being stabbed repeatedly in the gut the week before was crazy. | |
06-13-2016 09:38 PM
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the only thing going well is the hound being back and a badass, but im sure the dnd intent is to make it seem like cleganebowl is coming and hound gonna fuck some shit up but they'll give him aids or something and he'll die in a ditch somewhere. |
06-13-2016 11:05 PM
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Wun Wun had better not die this coming ep. A 25 foot tall man would massacre the entire Bolton force solo. |
06-13-2016 11:58 PM
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Stop being cry babies. This is still GOAT tier television, and you've been hopelessly spoiled by TV shows' increased quality over the last decade and a half if you think otherwise. Can you fucking imagine turning on the TV in 1994 and seeing this? Although the camp of Xena and Hercules was and is endearing, get a fucking grip and realize how fortunate we are to be watching GoT as it is. Might the show disappoint after such a superbly strong start? Sure, maybe-- but whatever, the books will be great, and the show not living up to the books and the first few seasons of the show leaves a ton of room for it to still be top tier entertainment. | |
06-14-2016 12:20 AM
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i can always appreciate that you'll come down on a different perspective than me. it keeps me on my toes. |
06-14-2016 12:30 AM
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btw i bet literal immortal half-god hercules would have been more debilitated from a bowel stab-twist than Lady No One of House Stark. |
06-14-2016 01:01 AM
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Yeah, there were some really strange ball drops in that sequence for sure. Like, why not have the actress say something like "good thing they missed the important bits, otherwise you'd be dead already."? Why not do a passage of time, say a week or so, between the stabbing and the Waif T1000'ing Arya through the streets of Bravos while they both hardcore parkour? | |
06-20-2016 10:18 AM
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06-20-2016 10:25 AM
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Miguel Saposhnik who directed this episode and the Whitewalker battle last season will also direct the last episode. Shit is going down! I had to re-watch that battle a couple of times. Easily the best depiction of medieval warfare I have ever seen. Last episode is going to be Spoon's red pill nightmare. I predict Littlefinger and Tyrion to be the only two men with a penis left standing, and I'm not even that sure about Tyrion. I am so hyped for the Sansa vs Dani bitch fight for the Throne. | |
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06-20-2016 10:34 AM
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I'll definitely follow everything Iwan Rheon is involved in. He hit it out of the park as Rhamsey Snow. This looks like a promising start: | |
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06-20-2016 04:31 PM
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oscar, that's what my wife said too, why run in a straight line? Zig zag when running from an archer or a gator. | |
06-20-2016 05:56 PM
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yeah if it's an arrow and you randomly change direction in a 70 degree angle or something every 4 seconds or something you probably increase your chance of survival a couple hundred times over or something. |
06-20-2016 09:57 PM
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All prejudices aside, amazing episode. Ya can list the problems with overarching GoT representation of character and plot, but as a standalone and as a product of working-with-what-you-have, this episode was tippy toppy notch |
06-20-2016 09:57 PM
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You gotta zig and you gotta zag-- I know, I totally agree, but come on guys, we got an awesome episode, including an extended visit to Mereen that was actually great, and you guys still want to nit it up? | |
06-20-2016 10:02 PM
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The first thing I wish they could have improved is the representation of Wun Wun. Give a giant a weapon for Christ's sake. If this was real life, I'm picking Jon's army as favorite just because Wun Wun would be an unstoppable force and would turn to mush any defense. |
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06-20-2016 10:03 PM
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06-20-2016 10:26 PM
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Omg, that scene with greyworm and the masters. | |
06-20-2016 11:41 PM
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Does anyone like Sansa now? | |
06-20-2016 11:44 PM
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I've always liked Sansa. She's been on a long arc. I'm not sure if the show will give that though, but it's in the literature regardless. |
06-21-2016 10:25 AM
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It's not often I think someone getting eaten by his own dogs is too merciful and quick. I bet he would have been more creative with Jon and Sansa. | |
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06-21-2016 12:24 PM
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rip wun wun | |
06-24-2016 03:54 PM
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Best: |
06-24-2016 04:46 PM
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06-24-2016 05:59 PM
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I don't think that's what Sansa was going for, but it is what LF was going for. Sansa didn't tell Jon about the Vale army possibly showing up because D&D wanted to surprised the audience as much as they could. They kept it from being Deus ex by having Sansa send the letter in a scene that casuals forget. |
06-25-2016 04:39 AM
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They also had LF uncharacteristically being apologetic to Sansa showing that LF's little finger is winning out over his conniving mind w.r.t Sansa, and she used that to her advantage. | |
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06-26-2016 02:24 PM
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06-26-2016 02:49 PM
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06-27-2016 06:07 PM
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What a season! | |
06-27-2016 08:53 PM
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don't hate me but i love jonsan. i think it's because they're so awkward yet in theory great. and wholly good people. |
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06-27-2016 10:34 PM
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Omg, what an episode. It was episodes like this that made me watch this show in the first place...and now they're fucking back. | |
06-27-2016 10:38 PM
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Questions! | |
06-29-2016 05:50 AM
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I didn't feel satisfied with the finale. It was in too much of a rush to tie up lots of stories. The whole kings landing section was just too rushed and so many died it just felt like they wanted to get rid of a bunch of story lines as quickly and conveniently as possible. | |
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06-29-2016 05:39 PM
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06-30-2016 10:44 AM
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Arya only had the one face since she left Braavos. GETYERFACTSSTRAIGHT | |
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06-30-2016 12:00 PM
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I loved it because it showed cersei more like she was in season one...coniving and reckless. | |