They are doing the right thing with Sansa though. Here's to hoping nothing gets in the way of her revenge
06-20-2011 04:27 AM
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They are doing the right thing with Sansa though. Here's to hoping nothing gets in the way of her revenge |
06-20-2011 04:31 AM
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Oh and I totally forgot: Rickon is gonna turn out evil. He's gotta. His doggie is big black and scary. GRRM pays too much attention to symbolism. |
06-20-2011 02:47 PM
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I understand your concerns, and I guess now that I am not high and I think about some of your points, I can agree that the human story taking a backseat to the magic story is a little worrying. That being said, there was a ton of awesome implications and even more character development. I'm pretty sure we saw more character growth in this episode than the previous 9 episodes. | |
06-20-2011 04:02 PM
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I agree, Daenerys went from most interesting to least. She's gonna become the Mad King IMO, with a lot of "burn them all" shit going on. Perhaps the witch taught her that kindness isn't rewarded. |
06-20-2011 07:12 PM
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ugh, after reading your last post, I'm starting to get upset with the implications of more magic in the show as well. That speculation sounds like Lost speculation, not The Wire speculation. You know what I mean? | |
06-20-2011 07:45 PM
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people swear the 2nd/3rd books are a lot better than the 1st, so don't feel to pessimistic about the next few seasons | |
06-20-2011 07:46 PM
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The main problem IMO is with something like "who in the hell is interested in the Baratheon's going after the throne now". Dany's got dragons now. She'll be worshiped as a god, will get the Doth back, maybe even a much larger army, and will sweep through shit like the Targs did centuries earlier. The only thing that will beat them back is Winter is Coming |
06-20-2011 07:57 PM
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They also say book four is most contested. Could be because of how the magic starts to take over. One problem with magic is that it needs to be very mysterious in order to be cool, and after explanation it sucks (Lost, the force/midichlorians). It could be that book four and beyond starts delving deeper into the magic and thus loses much of its potency. |
06-20-2011 08:50 PM
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dude you seriously thought that "the force" sucked after they explained the midichlorians? star wars is the shit, haters can suck a dick | |
06-20-2011 08:53 PM
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Please tell me you're not suggesting those prequel abortions were the shit. |
06-20-2011 08:56 PM
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hahah def not, 1 and 2 were ok cause i was still really young when they came out, but episode 3 or w/e was absolutely terrible lol, i fucking hate hayden christiansen or w/e his gay ass name is | |
06-20-2011 09:00 PM
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I might take back some of the crum stuff I'm saying about GoT. If the story goes along the lines of it still take Dany tremendous time and effort to cross the sea, we could see her building up her Khalisaar from a few slaves and wee dragons over the next season or two. That could be cool. So maybe she has to defeat the Dothraki before crossing the Narrow Sea |
06-20-2011 09:01 PM
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06-20-2011 09:08 PM
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Ya, Dany is def not gonna be landing a fleet of transport ships on Westeros soil any time soon. Her story line will stay as isolated from the reset of the story for at least another season imo. | |
06-20-2011 11:30 PM
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Just re-watched Episode 1, I missed a bunch of stuff first time around | |
06-20-2011 11:49 PM
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he was in ep 9 too iirc | |
06-21-2011 12:44 AM
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Rickon is in an earlier ep too talking to Bran. He's also mentioned by Robb in an ep |
06-21-2011 01:48 AM
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he has a direwolf, so they clearly consider him part of the family now | |
06-21-2011 01:51 AM
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so what do we make of Tyrion disobeying Tywin? Maybe it's just him being the pimpin imp, but it could be foreshadowing that he turns on his family, or at least orchestrates some crazy shit that goes against what his dad wants. | |
06-21-2011 02:23 AM
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Also, remember the scene where she sits one of the dragon eggs on a fire, then reaches in and grabs it without getting burned, while her helper does get burned. At that point I was relatively certain she was the one with dragon's blood, rather than her brother, and I sensed that the eggs hatching was a possibility. | |
06-21-2011 04:10 AM
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Like Shae said, he's still young and stupid. I think one thing they're going for with Tyrion is that he has skeletons in his closet he still hangs on to (his father not loving him, being cruel, even perhaps trying to have him killed, and his obsession with whores and being afraid to love etc etc), but his character will learn to defeat those. This may be the first move he makes in no longer being "young and stupid" |
06-21-2011 09:30 AM
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Perhaps it's obvious and doesn't need to be said. The only way to kill the White Walkers is to burn them. Whereas Daenerys is immune to fire. Usually special abilities like these come with special inabilities which offset some of the advantage. Daernys may be particularly vulnerable to WW, for ex. | |
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06-21-2011 02:31 PM
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To be clear, there are white walkers, and then there are zombies. White walkers create zombies but are something else all together. | |
06-21-2011 02:51 PM
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06-21-2011 02:52 PM
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06-21-2011 03:48 PM
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I have not read the books, only a little bit of back story stuff on hbogo (very little) and I've been reading/posting in the 2p2 no book spoilers thread. | |
06-21-2011 04:14 PM
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I don't think she was trying to accomplish anything, probably just curiousity. | |
06-21-2011 04:22 PM
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The Starks fought against the Targaryens... no way either party wants to be friends now. Esp when Dany is gonna be marching into Westeros with a foreign army. | |
06-21-2011 06:33 PM
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Dany and the hot dragon egg was her testing her abilities |
06-21-2011 07:10 PM
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not sure if I like the outside speculation, interweb nerds who have read the book are probably spoiling shit trying to pass off being smart | |
06-21-2011 07:28 PM
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I'm pulling that from the Completely Unspoiled Speculation thread on TWoP where I think it is extremely unlikely it comes from book readers. It's the same handful of people, you can pretty much tell they haven't read the books, and it's fiercely modded by a book reader |
06-21-2011 07:39 PM
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so they feel Snow wasn't Ned Stark's kid? | |
06-21-2011 07:42 PM
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Other than that, I feel you. I feel partially spoiled just by reading that thread because they do get a bit of stuff right. They also get a ton of stuff crazy wrong though. I'll try to keep stuff out of this thread unless it's something I thought up or think I would have thought up. It's a little hard since I have confused some of my thoughts with theirs too |
06-21-2011 07:50 PM
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It hearkens back to why Snow is so special. Clearly, he and Dany are the two main characters, and there is sense in the ice/fire contrast between him and Dany. There is SOMETHING about his birth that we do not know yet is important. This makes it quite unlikely that it's the story Ned has been telling |
06-21-2011 07:52 PM
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yea didn't he burn his hand badly by barely touching the fire when he killed the zombie? | |
06-21-2011 07:57 PM
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Also, my own take on it includes now that Ned is dead, there's no chance his mother isn't super special since they focused on his mother yet the only person who's supposed to know is now dead. Something will be revealed, and I think the most likely is that he has to be a Stark due to the dire wolf, but I also think there will be a special revelation like he's also a Targ and is the ice to Dany's fire |
06-21-2011 08:00 PM
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06-21-2011 08:01 PM
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wow, ya, that makes perfect sense. Ned was obviously super opposed to assassinating the Targ children, so it would fit his character perfectly for him to go to any length to protect Snow. Also, the Ned/Robert scene where they are reminiscing, Ned obv gets uncomfortable when the topic of Snow's mother is brought up since his mother is Ned's sister... | |
06-21-2011 08:03 PM
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06-21-2011 08:06 PM
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Let's talk about Greyjoy. I think he is one of the best side characters, if not the best. I saw some speculation that he would turn on Robb... but his pledge of allegiance in the King of the North scene seemed very sincere and genuine. If he does turn on Robb/the Starks, then I think it will be way down the line, and I don't think he's got any sort of plan to do so now. There has been a good bit of development on their relationship, and I get the feeling that they both feel like they are brothas from another motha... a sort of Ned/Robert bond. | |
06-21-2011 08:18 PM
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Greyjoy is representative of why the Starks are loved so much. Ned treated a prisoner of war like a member of his house |
06-21-2011 10:54 PM
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06-22-2011 01:13 AM
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wow, the poll dancer is srsbsns talented... I bet daddy is proud. | |
06-22-2011 02:11 AM
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Forgot to post my idea of why the crypt is focused on is because when the Walkers come through, they're gonna raise the dead. |
06-22-2011 02:26 AM
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random: I really hope the Baratheons and Lanisters don't suddenly get pet super bucks and super lions respectively... I like the dire wolves, and I don't mind the dragons... but I just don't want to see it over done. | |
06-22-2011 02:57 AM
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lol u just know theyre gonna get michael bay to direct the episode where three stags beat up a lion |
06-22-2011 11:28 PM
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06-23-2011 12:02 AM
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haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaa |
06-28-2011 03:04 AM
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A guess: Jaime will not die for quite some time, and when he does, it will be either at the hand of Snow or afterwards. The early episodes wrote him like a longer term character with particular foreshadowing (mainly about his unmatched sword fighting) that hasn't yet come to pass. I also get the feeling that he and Snow had a confrontation in episode 2 because it will be Snow who avenges his "father" at least partially through defeating Jaime |
06-28-2011 11:47 AM
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Ya, I like where you're going with that. Snow has been subtly highlighted as an amazing fighter... I say subtly because his skills are mostly untested in real world conditions. | |
06-28-2011 02:05 PM
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easily the best yet imo |
06-29-2011 02:53 AM
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Guarantee Gendry is Robert and Cersei's child. The one Cersei said died. She's nothing but a liar, went out of her way to make sure Robert was son-less, and Gendry described his mother as "yellow hair". |
06-30-2011 08:17 PM
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Just started getting into this. Up to episode 7 and I suspect I'll finish by the end of the night. | |
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06-30-2011 09:02 PM
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There is no explanation in the show, and I don't think that a planet's orbit can cause something like this. Even if it could, I don't think it does explain it in this fiction. Science doesn't really exist in the show, and for all we know the "planet" which it takes place on could be flat. | |
07-01-2011 03:33 AM
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Just finished, pretty highly satisfying. I agree that not having a cliffhanger ending was pretty boss. Cliffhangers are stupid and cheap. | |
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07-01-2011 06:03 AM
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oh, how can I forget the other major theme of fantasy: | |
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07-01-2011 10:00 AM
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Winter may have nothing to do with planets or the weather. Winter may simply refer to the periods when shit from the north wanders south. I'm sure that in the show they'll add snow to the landscapes so we'll know it's winter. But it could in fact be that it snows on regular annual cycles, but that just because it's snowing doesn't make it Winter. | |
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07-01-2011 01:05 PM
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no im pretty sure the season actually changes based on what you read in the book. | |
07-01-2011 03:06 PM
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Battlestar Galactica: Don't hate me, but this show was bad. I agree that the mysticism killed it, but the writing was truly adolescent. I was incredibly pissed because the story/idea is one of the best ever, and the show could have been a #1 contender if they hadn't been persistent in recruiting writers straight out of Junior High School |
07-01-2011 03:50 PM
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hahah oh yea that scene, that was hilarious | |
07-01-2011 04:34 PM
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Eh, I won't hate you but definitely feel you're selling it a little short. The writing got really annoying and they used like 47 deus ex machinas to resolve things but there was a lot to like about it. Probably the most fascinating, complex villain (Baltar) in sci-fi history; turning a lingerie model into a pretty fantastic actress. I'd put "Razor" at/near the top of my favorite sci-fi movies. | |
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07-01-2011 07:29 PM
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was just working out the Snow-as-Targaryen scenario | |
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07-01-2011 07:39 PM
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Naw it works perfectly. Ned returned from the war against the mad king with baby/child Snow. In fact, Snow being his kid doesn't work because he was gone for a year fighting a war, so that means that he betrayed his honor early in the campaign and through all the fighting still ended up near the same chick nine months later |
07-01-2011 08:18 PM
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yah I agree that Ned isn't the father and there is something special about Snow's lineage. So am I off on the war being 15 years ago? Or was he like 2-3 when he was brought back? | |
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07-01-2011 08:37 PM
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if the time works i'd go as far as saying your theory is pretty damned likely. Snow is more than a bastard, probably not Ned's, yet he still has very much the Stark look -- I doubt that's an accident on the part of Martin or HBO. | |
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07-01-2011 08:40 PM
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IIRC, Robert and Cersei married for seventeen years so the war ended closer to eighteen years ago. Ned most likely wouldn't tell Cat or anybody about Snow's Targaryenness because him hiding the child would be treason and "dishonor" his sister |
07-01-2011 09:06 PM
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cool, I don't know where I got 15 years from then. | |
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07-02-2011 01:40 PM
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I think Cat can know and still not like him. He would have the blood of a Targaryan, even though shes a great person and would never leak her husband's secret, she would likely still have strong negative feelings towards him because of his blood. | |
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07-02-2011 02:09 PM
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cat doesnt know. said scene could still exist but she def thinks he is Neds bastard (i don't know whether or not he is). | |
07-02-2011 03:24 PM
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07-02-2011 03:26 PM
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The scene exists. It's when Ned says "he must" be Robert's Hand. She whines about him fighting Robert's wars because "he must" and returning with another woman's child |
07-02-2011 03:31 PM
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fair enough.. | |
07-02-2011 05:04 PM
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07-03-2011 12:29 AM
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I'm rewatching...Cat does indeed say "you left 17 years ago ... and came back with another woman's son." | |
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07-06-2011 04:25 PM
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Friend told me he looked up some of the reason why one of the books gets not so great reviews, and IMO it sounds more like an irritant than a problem i.e. a particular story development takes a loooong time to provide for the audience |