Game of Thrones TV Thread **HBO-Purists ONLY**

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It certainly seems out of Stark character, but why did she ask for Brienne's sword? Is she going to give him a shave since he's gotten all scruffy? Is next episode just going to start with her being like "ha, jk, here's your sword back, whatever I intended to do was totally out of character for a Stark. Sorry for going off script there writers, let's just pretend the whole "Brienne, your sword!" thing never happened."?

[baudib]

Some non-plot-related thoughts:

-- I want to point out again that Ser Jaime Lannister the Kingslayer is an awesome character, and the episodes he's in are vastly better than the ones he's absent from.

In a way he's very much his father's son. Pure Lannister. The trappings of nobility but the ultimate ruthless warrior. Only Jaime Lannister can sneer while bound in a pen full of his own shit.

-- This may be the best-cast show in TV history. Ygritte the horny wildling is a sexbomb snow bunny just begging to be pleasured in every orifice. She somehow just exudes sex buried beneath mounds of clothing. "You know nothing, Jon Snow!"

[d0zer]

lol boost, I hope lady stark cut off jamie's junk.

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I love reading this thread when they end w/ weeklong cliffhangers. :3

yes, we get it, you know what happens, because you read the books. Would you like a cookie?

I do appreciate you not outright spoiling stuff, but couldn't you at least try to not be like a five year old, "I know something that you don't know, nah na na na nah na!"

[wufwugy]

It certainly seems out of Stark character, but why did she ask for Brienne's sword? Is she going to give him a shave since he's gotten all scruffy? Is next episode just going to start with her being like "ha, jk, here's your sword back, whatever I intended to do was totally out of character for a Stark. Sorry for going off script there writers, let's just pretend the whole "Brienne, your sword!" thing never happened."?

I'm not prepared to say it just isn't meh writing. Just like how the show set it up going "wwooooooooo lookit these burnt boys they could be bran n rickon omgomg" in a tv-like cheese way, cat and the sword could just be the same thing

Besides, if Cat did maim him, it goes against the character that the writers established for her, and they are bad and should feel bad. She is level-headed and does what's best for her children, full stop.

Seriously, her even asking for the sword is bad writing. When she learned the Theon took over Winterfell and her two kids and kill Roderick, she still wanted to talk to him. Her asking for the sword was just TV being TV, looking for a climax wherever possible.

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I'm not prepared to say it just isn't meh writing. Just like how the show set it up going "wwooooooooo lookit these burnt boys they could be bran n rickon omgomg" in a tv-like cheese way, cat and the sword could just be the same thing

Besides, if Cat did maim him, it goes against the character that the writers established for her, and they are bad and should feel bad. She is level-headed and does what's best for her children, full stop.

Seriously, her even asking for the sword is bad writing. When she learned the Theon took over Winterfell and her two kids and kill Roderick, she still wanted to talk to him. Her asking for the sword was just TV being TV, looking for a climax wherever possible.

ya, I'm cool with this view of it. They do seem to have become more willing to utilize cheap TV tricks this season. I'm really not sure why though, as this show just doesn't need that stuff.

Oh come on, [I'm potentially messing up your experience, and because I can't see how this could be so, I'm going to abject to you calling me out on it. Oh, and by the way, here's a little tid-bit that's more spoilery than the last.]

Hope you don't mind the paraphrasing. Really though man, what compels you to post what you posted in this thread instead of the other? We honestly and truly do not want you to guide our experience. We don't want to know when your favorite part is coming up. We just want to watch the show, and discuss the show.

Not to encourage you to keep posting in this thread, but if you had waited until after the cliff hanger was resolved and said "man, it was cool following the thread as that arc went on, because I really enjoyed it in the book", I'd be much more OK with it. Still this is a delicate matter, and you have shown a completely lack of finesse-- so, yeah, maybe just post in the other thread?

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Like I said, I can understand that you can't see how it's a big deal, just like the person in a movie theater can't see that it's a big deal that he's chatting with his friend throughout the movie. He's keeping a low voice, what's the big deal?

Again, I don't think that you've really spoiled anything recently, but you're on the fringe for sure. If I go to a play with a friend who has read the play, I don't want him nudging me saying "oh oh oh, just wait for this next scene, it's going to blow your mind!" Furthermore, while I don't think you managed to do this recently, I think that depending on how you word it and how careful you are you really can unintentionally spoil things in a post expressing your excitement for an arc of which you know the outcome. I wish I had more faith in your capacity to thoroughly self-edit, but I just don't.

And all that isn't even mentioning false positives. If you post something that can be construed as a plot give away that hints at something that doesn't actually happen, all through the plot development while I expect the "spoiler" to come true my experience is tainted. This sounds extreme, but it actually happened to me with this show. Before it aired I read an article, which was probably written after the author viewed the first few eps in a media screening, where it was more or less said that magic plays a very small roll, that it was more or less a fictional medieval world, not a fantasy world.

I can see why you think I'm trolling at this point.. and maybe I'm being a bit extreme simply because you had such an abject disregard for the potential impact one of your careless posts could have. That being said, I do appreciate that you have been a lot more careful posting in this thread, and genuinely seem to be trying to not be a dick. Thank you for that.

edit: p.s. I read pretty much every post over on TWoP, because I have far too much time on my hands and I really really like this show. I very often want to post over there, but I don't because A) that would take up even more time and B) I have spoiler knowledge according to their very strict definition of spoilers. Meaning, I've watched the extras on the DVD, and I watch the "previously on..." recaps at the beginning of the episodes. Not saying that you shouldn't post in here because I don't post in there, just saying that I've been on the other side.

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on a lighter note...

on TWoP they call Xaro Xhoan Daxos "Xaro Xhoan Ducksauce"

on 2p2OOTV they call him "Xaro Xhoan Dicksucks" haha, both are relatively funny, but if you are told that one community is predominantly males and one females, it's pretty easy to guess which.

[Penneywize]

Can anyone who reads the fn books just fuck right off out of this thread?

no disrespect but srsly enough is enough

[d0zer]

...and we have yet another page where I want to delete half the posts

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Well, the thing is, if someone has only read some of the books, they risk getting spoiled just as bad as us when posting in a book thread. That being said, I see baudib and dranger as "most recent post" next to the book thread at times, so this shouldn't be a concern of theirs. So ya, I mean, I'm ok with bookreaders being in here if nothing goes wrong... but that just doesn't seem to be how things will work out.

If you are a book reader and you insist on posting in this thread, you should really not get defensive when people crawl down your throat all the time. That's the price you pay, and you should be extra sensitive to how non book readers feel about your posts in this thread. It's a simple courtesy. You have a way of ruining the show for us, it really shouldn't amaze you that we are hyper aware of this fact.

[a500lbgorilla]

Penney is right. If you read the books, stay out of this thread.

Even if wufwugy is begging you with 10 gigs of rare high class porn to clarify only the most inconsequential detail from the books, you shut your literate ass up.

[wufwugy]

40 gigs of softcore, big tit, pretty face, stripteases with good directing. Used to be like 400 gigs, but had to delete the suboptimal, of course

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40 gigs of softcore, big tit, pretty face, stripteases with good directing. Used to be like 400 gigs, but had to delete the suboptimal, of course

people still download porn? I guess I just don't care enough to have it in HD instead of streaming.

[wufwugy]

Finding quality streams is very hard, especially of stuff that isn't really popular. I generally dont like hardcore, and softcore is not that popular. So I have to seek out and save the stuff I do like if I ever want to see it again

I started downloading when I realized that I could only find a tiny fraction (like 3%) of my favorite model's work in decent or high res via streaming

[wufwugy]

Case in point: Zuzana Drabinova has the best body in the history of pornography, but you can't find anything good of hers in any streaming videos

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I've been really liberal with the modding thus far. Despite penneywise's general douchecunttery about asking people to stop posting I'ma just delete anything from book readers I deem inappropriate.

Why can I still post? Because I know how to be respectful of not spoiling as I lived with 3 people who would have slit my throat if I even came close to spoiling.

[baudib]

Well, the thing is, if someone has only read some of the books, they risk getting spoiled just as bad as us when posting in a book thread. That being said, I see baudib and dranger as "most recent post" next to the book thread at times, so this shouldn't be a concern of theirs. So ya, I mean, I'm ok with bookreaders being in here if nothing goes wrong... but that just doesn't seem to be how things will work out.

If you are a book reader and you insist on posting in this thread, you should really not get defensive when people crawl down your throat all the time. That's the price you pay, and you should be extra sensitive to how non book readers feel about your posts in this thread. It's a simple courtesy. You have a way of ruining the show for us, it really shouldn't amaze you that we are hyper aware of this fact.

This is actually exactly what happened to me as I've read 2 1/2 books and got majorly spoiled in the books thread. I actually managed to survive despite this cuz I don't give a fuck about the books at all and will probably never read the rest of them.

The responses to wuf were in spoiler tags and everything else I've been posting in this thread has been strictly related to the TV show. I'd respect the sentiment a lot more if wuf/boost said GTFO but it's kind of galling when "GTFO" has been Penney's only contribution to this discussion.

Since Wuf is back in the 2+2 TV thread I'll probably just read that and stop visiting so you can all breathe easier now.

[wufwugy]

hey boost are you reading just the speculation thread on twop, or others like the episode threads? ive heard the episode threads have lots of spoilers in them, and i checked one out and the second post was somebody comparing what happened in show to what happened in book, so i left

[wufwugy]

To put things simply, I think there will be lots of stalemates, and nobody will truly wield the Iron Throne the way the Targs or even Robert did. The Martels will probably help the Lannisters, but even if they don't, they will not be ruled by anybody. The Tyrells will probably help Lannisters as well. Baratheons will probably not take the castle, but also won't be defeated, and will maintain a lot of land. The Starks will take back Winterfell, and won't be overrun again

But eventually Dany and her dragons will show up, then the Wolf, Lion, and Stag will join together to fight them off. Look to the opening credits, the sword around the meteor shows as much happening. I'm not sure how to reconcile this with all the north of the wall happenings. The Walkers and Wildlings certainly have to be a big deal, and part of me expects some seriously evil magic from further north than even wildlings go. If this doesn't happen, the the Walkers are a lost point. Also I wouldn't be surprised if even more of the world is opened up. They already did this by adding Qarth, and they have just mentioned "sailing past Old Valyria"

[wufwugy]

Man, Stannis is such a fucking badass. When I'm old, not only do I hope I look like that, but also act like that

[wufwugy]

It's a shame Varys hasn't been around, since he's one of the best characters. I wonder if the show made him look more important than he ever was in the books

[wufwugy]

Have to say, I really want Joffrey to rape Sansa. And I want him to be cruel about it, like he can't get it up unless he beats her.

The storyline of Joffrey being the world's biggest cunt, and Sansa being all but destroyed by him, but ultimately getting revenge, is too good to pass up

[wufwugy]

You know, I think you could peer deeply into the psyche of women by reading the TWoP thread. Things like how they all hate Talisa (otherwise known as Dr. Noble Medicine Woman or Nurse Bonesaw). My guess is that because they're chicks, they fully understand that chicks care for nothing more than manipulation. So when they see their beloved, handsome King Robb being ensnared by this unknown woman, it's really just because she must be a sinister harpy

[d0zer]

lol fuck I hate that talisa plot arc. Like she's hot as fuck but we don't need some silly chick romance-drama BS distracting us from the awesomeness of the starks.

[wufwugy]

Since Wuf is back in the 2+2 TV thread I'll probably just read that and stop visiting so you can all breathe easier now.

It's weird, some stuff I'll post there, but some stuff I'll post here. Not sure why. I think it's that this place is cool and 2p2 is a bunch of doofuses but gets lots of traffic


Zorro Dicksucks is a great actor. I had him being legit the whole time, but he was really just a liar


Noticed a problem in the writing: Tywin says "they're calling it the War of Five Kings". But, um, who are those five kings? Teh Joff, Robb, Stannis, and Renly of course, but who else? Can't be Balon because Tywin doesn't know that yet, can't be Dany because Tywin doesn't know that yet, can't be Mance because Tywin doesn't know that yet.....

[wufwugy]

lol fuck I hate that talisa plot arc. Like she's hot as fuck but we don't need some silly chick romance-drama BS distracting us from the awesomeness of the starks.

Oh you're one of thooooooose. One of those who think she's the hottest. I know your type.....

Anyways, her character sucks because there's no real chemistry. I love romances so much that if you didn't know better you'd think I was a girl, but I can't stand this no-chemistry mud between Robb and Who Gives A Shit

Jon and Ygritte's where it's at. But I'm sure the Night's Watch will find a way to keep Jon alone and miserable

[Penneywize]

Wuf, has it occurred to you that it is possible that the reason you feel that there's so much sexual chemistry between Jon and Ygritte is precisely because she's had interactions with him that evoke that kind of impression to begin with? As far as Robb and Whats Her Face go, it's definitely a far more nuanced attraction, but I think you can genuinely see some type of chemistry building there.

Agree on the Stannis front, though I get the impression that no one in his entourage really have much love for him at all. I mean, the guy chopped off the fingers of his closest advisor, the onion knight. Kind of Stalinesque if you ask me.

[wufwugy]

Wuf, has it occurred to you that it is possible that the reason you feel that there's so much sexual chemistry between Jon and Ygritte is precisely because she's had interactions with him that evoke that kind of impression to begin with? As far as Robb and Whats Her Face go, it's definitely a far more nuanced attraction, but I think you can genuinely see some type of chemistry building there.

One of the tenets of a great romance is how forbidden it is. We haven't been given much impression that Robb and Talisa is forbidden. I mean, we know it is, but Talisa doesn't know it, and Robb is not portraying such in the slightest. The forbidden-ness is merely because we have been told he's promised to another, yet for all we know, that promise could mean little.

Their relationship is nothing other than Robb being lured by her for whatever reason. She never even tried, it was really just the first time we saw Robb around a girl, then lo n behold she was pretty and lo n behold he takes a liking to her


Jon and Ygritte, OTOH, has the makings of a great love story due to them being at each others throats constantly, yet they were still forced to spoon while sleeping (to keep warm, of course), and he still found his subconscious drape his leg over hers and grasp her chest. All the while she plays at him in a way where you're not sure if she's just tricking him or if she really could mean it only if things worked out a certain way


The former is boring, the latter is a story of a potentially budding romance

Of course, I am the world's most hopeless romantic, so I peer deeply into the "what I cannot have" aspect of love. However, I'm not sure this is unlike how romance is usually portrayed. The greatest romance movie ever made was Before Sunrise, and that was of a boy and girl who could not be together. Another, while many find it cheesy, was still very captivating in the fairy tale view of romance, The Notebook, which engulfed itself in two who often could not be together. Not to mention the most famous romance of all time, Romeo and Juliet, a story of two who could not be.

[wufwugy]

Of course, it could also be that my primary personality type is Negotiator, which means that I prefer strong and direct women, of which Ygritte is yet Talisa isn't so much

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This is actually exactly what happened to me as I've read 2 1/2 books and got majorly spoiled in the books thread. I actually managed to survive despite this cuz I don't give a fuck about the books at all and will probably never read the rest of them.

The responses to wuf were in spoiler tags and everything else I've been posting in this thread has been strictly related to the TV show. I'd respect the sentiment a lot more if wuf/boost said GTFO but it's kind of galling when "GTFO" has been Penney's only contribution to this discussion.

Since Wuf is back in the 2+2 TV thread I'll probably just read that and stop visiting so you can all breathe easier now.

I haven't really had any issue with you that I can remember. I do generally think that book readers should kind of stay on the sidelines in this thread, and be extremely cautious when posting if they do. There shouldn't be any comparing between books and the show, and certainly no speculation from book readers. If you read books and want to participate in this thread, just use your head and be respectful if non-readers feel like you're crossing a line. It sucks to be caught in the middle with no thread to post in, but that doesn't mean you should encroach on the non-readers' thread.

hey boost are you reading just the speculation thread on twop, or others like the episode threads? ive heard the episode threads have lots of spoilers in them, and i checked one out and the second post was somebody comparing what happened in show to what happened in book, so i left

I only ever opened the Completely Unspoiled thread. I will not open any other.

lol fuck I hate that talisa plot arc. Like she's hot as fuck but we don't need some silly chick romance-drama BS distracting us from the awesomeness of the starks.

She's gorgeous.. Ros is hot, Ygritte is hot.

It's weird, some stuff I'll post there, but some stuff I'll post here. Not sure why. I think it's that this place is cool and 2p2 is a bunch of doofuses but gets lots of traffic


Zorro Dicksucks is a great actor. I had him being legit the whole time, but he was really just a liar


Noticed a problem in the writing: Tywin says "they're calling it the War of Five Kings". But, um, who are those five kings? Teh Joff, Robb, Stannis, and Renly of course, but who else? Can't be Balon because Tywin doesn't know that yet, can't be Dany because Tywin doesn't know that yet, can't be Mance because Tywin doesn't know that yet.....

Why doesn't Tywin know about Dany/Mance?

[wufwugy]

Why doesn't Tywin know about Dany/Mance?

Actually, it's not that Tywin doesn't know, but the "they" of "they're calling it the War of Five Kings". Whose "they" other than the observers and effective media of the war? According to these people, only four kings are fighting for the throne. Only the Wall cares about Mance, nobody even knows about Dany and the dragons, and the last thing anybody saw of the Greyjoys was them sitting on an island reminiscing about going back to the Iron Standard. My guess is the fifth king is Balon Greyjoy, but the show still hasn't mentioned that anybody below Robb's army has heard of his rebellion yet

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I feel like with such heavy source material, things like this can be chalked up to scenes or parts of scenes being left on the chopping block, instead of it being a case of bad writing. They could add a line or two to Tywin's dialogue to make the "five kings" line nit proof, or they can just slip it in there knowing 95% of the viewers know what he's talking about and will assume that there's a reason he knows what he's talking about. They chose the latter and then get to have more fun interaction with Tywin and Arya or Arya and A Man, or Tyrion and anybody...

[a500lbgorilla]

-Tywin knows about Dany by way of his grandson king by way of his advisors who knew and informed boisterous baratheon of her pregnancy.

-Sansa being raped would be awesome.

-Robb's romance is lame because that bitch acts too good for Robb. "Oh, you're waging a war against the kingdom to save you sisters and avenge your father? You're such a child. What will you do when you win?" Bitch, the kingdoms were run serviceably by a Mad King, a fat drunk, and now a twisted little shit, I think Robb can handle the administrative duties of the North.

-Stannis is sweet because he's a true Baratheon.

-Also, the end game of Lannister+Baratheon+Stark v Dany would be awesome but I don't get the sense that this story is working towards an end game. Maybe I'm projecting from The Wire where everyone just is and does as they do and the story moves along driven by everyone living out their days, the same could occur in this tangled political mess. The war can settle to a long, dragged out affair that leaves thousands in famine and strife, and westeros just becomes a shittier world to live in and the story ends after each character from the original book has fallen. The only thing that changed was the carnage kicked up over a fight for a throne that kings don't really seem to enjoy and probably can't hold without overwhelming military strength.

[d0zer]

She's gorgeous.. Ros is hot, Ygritte is hot.

I'll not have my drunken language nitpicked, but Ygritte is made much hotter by her unapologetic wildling filthy girl demeanour, and the guaranteed implication that she'd be a beast in the sack, but she's kinda got those fetal alcohol eyes.

[dranger7070]

As much as I enjoy my fetal alcoholic trashy whores, I'm more interested in Talisa than Ygritte by a mile. Pure and clean over whore-ish and filthy any day of the week.

Would pound both into the mattress, though.

[Penneywize]

I'll not have my drunken language nitpicked, but Ygritte is made much hotter by her unapologetic wildling filthy girl demeanour, and the guaranteed implication that she'd be a beast in the sack, but she's kinda got those fetal alcohol eyes.

If I had known you to exaggerate that egregiously then I probably wouldn't have raged so hard when you called that other girl a 2/10 butterface.

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Dozer, I know what you mean.. she does have a slight glint of fetal alcohol face, and she wouldn't be nearly as hot if she didn't have that over the top thick accent and attitude that lets you know her goal in bed is the same as mine: a bruised cervix.

[Penneywize]

Dozer, I know what you mean.. she does have a slight glint of fetal alcohol face, and she wouldn't be nearly as hot if she didn't have that over the top thick accent and attitude that lets you know her goal in bed is the same as mine: a bruised cervix.

haha awesome.

Edit: Alright so I'll come clean, my friends have always told me that I vastly overrate women on a regular basis. But, then again, I never think I'm wrong. I also tend to underrate incredibly beautiful women. Go figure.

[jackvance]

I don't get the sense that this story is working towards an end game. Maybe I'm projecting from The Wire where everyone just is and does as they do and the story moves along driven by everyone living out their days, the same could occur in this tangled political mess.

That is the impression I am getting more and more. Rather than working towards something, it looks to be more just a retelling of a passage of the history in this fictual fantasy world. I really like this, but didn't expect it from the way season 1 started.

[wufwugy]

I do see some sort of endgame. There's a reason all sorts of magic that are thought to be gone have returned. Plus I'm not even sure if any fantasy material hasn't had endgames yet. The Wire was pretty unique and unusual in its storytelling (for our culture)

[wufwugy]

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haha awesome.

Edit: Alright so I'll come clean, my friends have always told me that I vastly overrate women on a regular basis. But, then again, I never think I'm wrong. I also tend to underrate incredibly beautiful women. Go figure.

I think I have a similar tendency to overrate "average" women, and underrate super hot ones. I'm fine with this though, as I get to enjoy more of what I consider top tier than the average person, because the average person thinks my top tier is simply mid-grades.

That is the impression I am getting more and more. Rather than working towards something, it looks to be more just a retelling of a passage of the history in this fictual fantasy world. I really like this, but didn't expect it from the way season 1 started.

I do see some sort of endgame. There's a reason all sorts of magic that are thought to be gone have returned. Plus I'm not even sure if any fantasy material hasn't had endgames yet. The Wire was pretty unique and unusual in its storytelling (for our culture)

I would much prefer a Wire-esque snap shot of the world instead of a beginning-middle-end LoTR lameness. I have a strong feeling that we are going to land somewhere in the middle, a bit more towards Wire-esque than is standard. I'd be happy with this.

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A TWoP snippet...

I used to discuss the episodes with my best friend but after the murder of the two kids she decided to stop watching.

just, wow...

[wufwugy]

ignorance is bliss

[Jack Sawyer]

[jackvance]

I do see some sort of endgame. There's a reason all sorts of magic that are thought to be gone have returned. Plus I'm not even sure if any fantasy material hasn't had endgames yet. The Wire was pretty unique and unusual in its storytelling (for our culture)

Yeah it's unusual, that is why I wasn't expecting it in GoT also, but season 1 was pretty much like that, and season 2 is looking like it also. Instead of working plot elements towards a big finale, it's more of a moving chess pieces around the board. Makes it all a lot less predictable, if this is indeed the way it is going to stay.

[Penneywize]

Are we really not discussing last night's episode? Come on, people!

[d0zer]

I haven't seen it yet! NO SPOILERS

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Are we really not discussing last night's episode? Come on, people!

just got to watch it now, but I really need to rewatch. Really solid setup episode though. I wonder if this will be like last season where e09 is the climax and e10 is the denouement.

I have to say that Arya and A Man stole the show again. And there was a ton of really heart felt moments packed into this episode. I feel like that stuff can be very hard to pull off well and not feel like a complete sap fest. Anyways, looking forward to a rewatch so I can dig in some more.

[Penneywize]

//// Spoilers from S2E8 below ////

just got to watch it now, but I really need to rewatch. Really solid setup episode though. I wonder if this will be like last season where e09 is the climax and e10 is the denouement.

I really think that will be the case. Last episode, Stannis' ships were 5 days out. Now they expect to arrive within a day. Tywin just departed Harrenhall to face Robb, and the Kingslayer and Brienne should be arriving at King's Landing before long as well. If they manage to stuff in another episode before anything of consequence happens I'll be rather pissed. But, it most definitely won't be the case.

Is anyone else on the same page as me? With 5 minutes left in the episode I was like DAYUM Dany and her dumb dragon plotline still hasn't made an appearance yet! Hooray for a no-Dany episode! and then bam. Sadface.

[wufwugy]

i lol everytime i see somebody joke about dany and jorah by way of

Jorah: "Be careful, Khaleesi"

Dany: "I AM THE MOTHER OF DRAGONS"

That is their theme, for sure

[JKDS]

EVERYTHING YOU LOVE WILL TURN TO ASH IN YOUR MOUTH
-the dwarf, motherfucker

[jackvance]

Really liked this episode, and as usual when I see that scene that is obviously the final one, and then the credits roll, I scream out a loud nooOOoo, run out into the street and beat up some random passersby.

[wufwugy]

Part of me was hoping Bran and Rickon really were dead

Because that would have been hilariously bad writing

And I would have had fun pointing it out

Part of me thought dranger's "lol" was because he knew they actually were dead, and we were all saying how not dead they obviously were

[wufwugy]

If they seriously are taking the Jorah/Dany story through him being romantically in love with her I am removing this show as a contender for GOAT. It would mean they don't realize that they have developed a story about his need for redemption and undying loyalty, not one of romantic feelings for her

[JKDS]

If they seriously are taking the Jorah/Dany story through him being romantically in love with her I am removing this show as a contender for GOAT. It would mean they don't realize that they have developed a story about his need for redemption and undying loyalty, not one of romantic feelings for her

There have been several instances where Jorah's love for Dany has been seen. I dont really get why he cant love her?

[wufwugy]

There have been several instances where Jorah's love for Dany has been seen. I dont really get why he cant love her?

There have been maybe a couple where a romantic sort of love could have been seen, but every other scene is showing something else, as well as how they've portrayed backstory, and how the characters have evolved

They've been selling a story of Jorah being unbelievably loyal to her, probably due to wanting redemption, but also due to him learning to respect her and finding out she's very special, and he has a lot of paternal sort of instincts. But an actual romantic love has not been borne out. All that stuff has been more appropriately portrayed as an undying loyalty sort of love, not that he wants to fuck her.

Most of what people say shows he's romantically in love with her is actually just other characters talking about it. Like when Zorro Dicksucks says it or when masked lady says it and Dany then starts seeing it. But that actually makes my point because they have to straight up tell the audience of that love because they haven't shown it adequately through the storytelling

The best thing we've gotten is when masked lady says "you love her", he just makes an acknowledgement then moves on with the agenda. This shows that he does have some feelings for her, but it could be as simple as a him having some romantic feelings, yet not wanting to pay attention to them because he has a more important role

He is not treating her like he's in love with her; he's treating her like he's her most loyal servant. And in the first season they set up why Jorah would feel so deeply about this role

If he is romantically in love with her, they have not been doing it right. We would need to see him conflicted more when dealing with her, at the very least. But it has been nothing other than him giving the best advice he knows how, but doing what she says and not really even questioning it. He treats her very much like she's the master and he's the servant. Also, his rhetoric has been very pro-servant anti-romantic-love-interest. The show has had many opportunities for Jorah to tell her that he cares for her based in his own personal feelings, but every time they have that opportunity, they instead do other things like "you have a good heart and should be queen" and "I will never forget the day you walked out of a fire". This is not the dialogue you give to a man in love, this is the dialogue you give to a servant who believes the most important thing is his master

[wufwugy]

I think my point is very well demonstrated in how Masked Lady said "you love her", and that this not only was supposed to be some kind of a big deal, but it's a main point that those who say he's in love with her go to. My point is not that he's not in love with her (I'm pretty sure he now is, based in what others have said), but that they have not portrayed it well. The fact that what Masked Lady is so important is demonstrating that they indeed have not portrayed the love

Ever since like episode 4 or 5 of season 1, I was positive Jorah's motives were based in redeeming himself from his dishonorable past. The show told us he felt this way when he told the audience nothing about himself other than this part of his past, when his father alluded to the issue, and when Jorah took on a highly protective and loyal role for Dany without even one single bit of him having jealousy or manipulativeness towards her, nor doing anything pretty much other than what a loyal servant does

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All that stuff has been more appropriately portrayed as an undying loyalty sort of love, not that he wants to fuck her.

Ha, ya ok. Thats a pretty compelling point.

[wufwugy]

Thank you for validating that I'm not crazy. I mean, I know I'm not crazy, but whatever. Half the dicksucks on 2p2 have already spoiled themselves from books or wiki, the other half don't consider a different perspective anything other than retardation

Funny thing is I asked my closest friend who is also watch GoT, "Is Jorah in love with Dany, yes or no?", and his response was, "No, but I seem to be the only one who sees it that way. He's exceptionally loyal, not in love"

[wufwugy]

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theon.jpg is perfect.

[wufwugy]

[JKDS]

Thread has just improved to 3/5 stars!

[a500lbgorilla]

Re: old dude loving dany.

I don't know what you expect him to say when the masked lady says "You love her, I see it." The point is that it's obvious to observers well versed in how old knights act around young girls they're in to. And it was pointed out in season 1 when old golden domer said something to the same effect.

He's in a strange land talking to strange people, not exactly the best opportunity to open up and expose your emotions. Plus, he's going to have to interact with Dany for quite some time and it's always good to keep those things out of the realm of the well defined.

And in how they interact with each other, his role was always as a servant, protector and advisor. She was a gift to the Khal in exchange for an army to take Westeros. He was never gonna get a slice of that Khalesi pie. After the Khal falls, you would rather expect him to make his move then continue to serve her in the same fashion and sit on his old man lust as best he can? Ridiculous.

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ofc he does, she's hot, how could he not want up in those dragon mama guts?

He's just a consummate professional and does his damnedest to not let it show because he knows it's inappropriate.

Latest ep confirmed my hatred for the stark / healer plot. gaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy except we got to see her lovely bottom and that almost made up for all the jibber jabber that preceded it. Also confirmed a man / a girl scenes are awesome.

[wufwugy]

They have not even shown him struggling with making the decision to not act on his supposed love. That would be the first thing they would need while keeping the integrity of the protector and khal dynamic. But they showed us nothing that could specifically point to him being in love with her, and the only reason it looks like he could is because there are not too many options to choose from, and for many that becomes a default, I guess

All of Jorah's behavior is better explained by something else, and that's probably why they've had to start telling the audience he's in love with her by straight out having other characters talk about it

[JKDS]

Jorah loves her, but is not in love with her. Thats what im getting now from the show. I cant see jorah at any point coming out and going "IMA BANG THE SHIT OUTTA YOU KHALESSI". Just cant see it. I think we all saw Robb and Nurselady's banging coming, dont see it from jorah+dany.

So i tend to agree with wuf now. If thats the road the show takes, it would be poorly done

[dranger7070]

Hi, im wufwugy.

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As much as I enjoy my fetal alcoholic trashy whores, I'm more interested in Talisa

The actress playing Talisa appears to be Charlie Chaplin's granddaughter.

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she could grow a Chaplin (now better known as a Hitler) 'stache and I'd still smash.

[wufwugy]

Hi, im wufwugy.

I still don't know what this means

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Just watched s1e1, it's violent and full of hot naked women. I can see why this is popular.

[JKDS]

Theres also a funny little dwarf!