06-09-2015 08:29 PM
#2101
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06-09-2015 08:32 PM
#2102
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i think LF leading the last stand could subvert the trope enough that it would emerge as esteemed originality. im not sure hbo is comfortable obliterating all hope, but they may be comfortable telling the story of how the weak, secretive, conniving, bad guy was the ultimate hero against teh great darkness. |
06-10-2015 12:27 AM
#2103
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Just lost a long post :\ | |
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06-10-2015 01:40 AM
#2104
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06-10-2015 03:50 AM
#2105
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06-10-2015 04:39 AM
#2106
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I've been a member of #teamarya from the start, but I'd really wish she'd DO SOMETHING. | |
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06-10-2015 12:42 PM
#2107
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Yeah, the Unsullied are totally useless right now. It makes no sense. | |
06-10-2015 02:18 PM
#2108
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06-11-2015 11:50 PM
#2109
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Yeah, Arya still has her identity and revenge on her mind. | |
06-12-2015 02:33 AM
#2110
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The Bolton or baratheons are gonna get it at least. Probably the Bolton s but you never know with got. I say that also because we have 2 groups representing fire which seems one too many imo. Could see stannis getting it after the whole child burning episode though. | |
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06-12-2015 05:10 AM
#2111
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Predictions: | |
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06-12-2015 05:10 AM
#2112
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And I haven't read any spoilers btw. | |
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06-13-2015 07:03 AM
#2113
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06-14-2015 11:01 PM
#2114
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I mean, Melisandre will bring him back right? | |
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06-15-2015 12:03 AM
#2115
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Why else is she there if not to bring him back? I don't even think it's a cheap narrative ploy, because the death scene is as much about Allister and Ollie as it is about Jon-- so this isn't like the gimmick of Superman dying. | |
06-15-2015 01:25 AM
#2116
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man did i not like this episode |
06-15-2015 02:00 AM
#2117
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dnd made all the wrong choices. |
06-15-2015 02:31 AM
#2118
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i hate the choice to end on so many ambiguities. it's writing101 what you dont do. to end a season you give your audience a resolution or a setup for a resolution down the road. the ambiguous ending provides little tension and little intrigue for new developments. |
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06-15-2015 06:14 AM
#2119
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Desperately trying to resist reading thread. | |
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06-15-2015 06:17 AM
#2120
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So, what was the plot of this season? What's the 1 sentence summary? | |
06-15-2015 08:51 AM
#2121
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JKDS, I think there's a couple of possibilities: | |
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06-15-2015 11:22 AM
#2122
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Wow best show ever. What a final episode. It doesn't follow the expectations (I did know about the poisoning once I saw the kiss but that's all).. it's wild and unpredictable, goes it own way, much like life. In an ocean of seeing the same predictable story-lines being rehashed again and again, this is refreshing. The repentance thing was incredibly powerful and scary. So many deaths, does make you wonder who is left. Seeing Stannis and Snow betrayed like that, gripping, I loved every part of this episode. I'm just sad the long wait begins again. | |
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06-15-2015 03:09 PM
#2123
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Well, so, I wanted to rewrite this episode to show what I think it could have been. I think the start of the next season will be a little weak because of how the writers chose to misdirect the audience. What I'm getting at is things like I don't think Stannis is dead. Brienne probably hit the tree in anger that she didn't "do her duty". I think if we find this to be the case in s6e1, we'll all think the finale was a little cheap and could have been better. |
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06-15-2015 04:55 PM
#2124
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Stannis pissed everyone off last week. I don't think anyone was surprised when Brienne finished him off. | |
06-15-2015 10:03 PM
#2125
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simply omazing |
06-16-2015 05:27 AM
#2126
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No you dumb. | |
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06-16-2015 11:43 AM
#2127
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06-16-2015 04:51 PM
#2128
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You're still trying to go the way of canned cheap thrills. This show is different. It's an epos. | |
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06-16-2015 05:19 PM
#2129
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It was alright. I didn't really enjoy it though (books were beddar and what not). It does feel like a ball rolling down hill at this point. Like a slide-show of, yeah, then this happens - and it's going to make your stomach turn. | |
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06-16-2015 05:24 PM
#2130
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Am I? I'm trying to avoid cheap thrills |
06-16-2015 06:59 PM
#2131
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The idea that Stannis isn't dead can't be a real thought. | |
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06-16-2015 07:23 PM
#2132
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TBH I don't even think it's that hard of a call. |
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06-16-2015 07:44 PM
#2133
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What if the story line wasnt about Stannis at all, but was instead about Mel? I feel like she straight up lied to Stannis, and did all this so she could help and be with Jon. | |
06-16-2015 07:45 PM
#2134
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yeah I have a feeling that Shireen's death has meaning beyond Stannis. | |
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06-16-2015 07:46 PM
#2135
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Beric Dondarrion | |
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06-16-2015 08:48 PM
#2136
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Stannis was always a pretender, it's hard for me to believe anyone didn't know that all along. | |
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06-16-2015 09:06 PM
#2137
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I think it's a little more complex than that. I think several characters are standard tropes mixed with subversions of those tropes. |
06-16-2015 10:31 PM
#2138
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Stannis has no power over the undead, Jon Snow does. | |
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06-16-2015 10:47 PM
#2139
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If your diagnosis of his purpose is correct, it just highlights the shit of D&D's writing. It shows they think "hey so all we need from Stannis is Mel at the wall and a dead girl, so yeah that's great now we can botch everything else involving him and call it a day." |
06-16-2015 11:14 PM
#2140
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Seriously how in the shit is Stannis dead? |
06-16-2015 11:45 PM
#2141
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I would probably be overwhelmed with joy if Stannis was dead since it would mean that D&D truly are lost. |
06-16-2015 11:52 PM
#2142
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im just talking out of frustration. ignore me. |
06-17-2015 01:56 AM
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like 0% | |
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06-17-2015 01:40 PM
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You're still trying to bend the story in the ways of modern storytelling. But imagine reading a history book. Sometimes people just die, and that's that. Things move in a certain direction without a twist lurking around every corner or things lining up perfectly for the big climax. That's what I mean by it being an epos. | |
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06-17-2015 01:50 PM
#2145
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06-17-2015 02:25 PM
#2146
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Oh I see what you mean. |
06-17-2015 03:00 PM
#2147
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Wuf, the thing is in this story there is the possibility of people coming back from literal death, and of course we have seen miraculous recoveries from the start of the show (Bran in Season 1). | |
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06-17-2015 03:13 PM
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I agree. But I think D&D are just that bad. They like these sorts of surprises and twists. They regularly make the audience's expectation one thing, then suddenly change it. I think they just want the audience to think loads of people are dead so D&D can show up in s6 and say "gotcha!". |
06-17-2015 04:14 PM
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I just don't see any point in Stannis continuing in this story. Like Brienne could and would totally kill him and still go find Sansa. She's not going to have a change of heart about how she feels about Stannis. If she let him live she'd be the most ludicrous character in the history of fantasy fiction. | |
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06-17-2015 05:04 PM
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she could easily change her mind on killing him. all this time she has just wanted vengeance and she believes he's a monster. then when finally confronted with him, and told the most perfect thing, she realizes that what she's doing is wrong and that it's keeping her from doing what is more important. |
06-17-2015 05:15 PM
#2151
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um, Davos is pretty clearly going to lead the Night's Watch. | |
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06-17-2015 05:18 PM
#2152
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also, Benjen. | |
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06-17-2015 05:28 PM
#2153
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Hrm, Davos going to the night watch is an interesting turn. If Stannis is dead, thats a reasonable place for a 'tratior' to go. I like it. | |
06-17-2015 05:39 PM
#2154
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Melisandre and Davos both end up at the Wall after Stannis' death for a reason, you can be sure of that. | |
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06-17-2015 05:40 PM
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I can't see Davos leading teh Night's Watch. First off, he won't forsake is family like all the NW has to do. Second, he's not a commander. Third, nobody will vote for him. The NW needs a commander. They don't realize it today, but they will. |
06-17-2015 06:03 PM
#2156
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A combination of Stannis coming back + Jaimie/Arya dying would probably be enough to make me quit watching. | |
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06-17-2015 06:04 PM
#2157
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Davos has no raison d'etre anymore, no loyalties to anyone. if he's not in the Nights Watch I'll just fucking LOL. | |
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06-17-2015 06:07 PM
#2158
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I think Davos will march south with wildlings to reinforce Stannis. I mean, where else will the free folk go? The NW killed Jon because he brought them in. The NW will probably try to send them back beyond the wall, and instead many will probably flee with Davos |
06-17-2015 06:14 PM
#2159
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like the Nights Watch needs someone to restore a sense of honor and decency to it or it'll just crumble. Can you really have the next commander tied to the second straight mutiny against a LC? Davos is an outsider and not tied to that. | |
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06-17-2015 06:15 PM
#2160
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06-17-2015 06:18 PM
#2161
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The wildlings will follow Jon Snow obviously. | |
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06-17-2015 06:18 PM
#2162
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like LOL if anyone thinks Jon Snow is not coming back from the dead in one way shape or form. | |
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06-17-2015 06:37 PM
#2163
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mel doesnt actually know his fate. she left before he even started marching after the snow melted. |
06-17-2015 07:14 PM
#2164
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like i have no idea what's next for the wildlings, but i seriously doubt it involves anything like fighting Boltons or getting involved in anyway with Westeros politics. | |
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06-17-2015 07:19 PM
#2165
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yeah as it is now, wildlings fighting the boltons doesn't make much sense |
06-17-2015 07:23 PM
#2166
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I suspect that the Boltons will be entrenched for quite some time. The Boltons' dynastic dreams will end at the hands of any number of perpetrators, including any of the various Stark factions (Sansa/Littlefinger, Bran/Rickon, Snow, assassinated by Arya), or Dany. | |
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06-17-2015 07:35 PM
#2167
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I think Ramsay is being propped up as such an untouchable villain that the only person who will get revenge on him is Jon. It's like D&D are taking a shit on the Stark grave and the only way they can make it better is by having a Stark come down with Thor's hammer. |
06-17-2015 07:41 PM
#2168
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like i don't know what kind of power Bran will unleash, but it will probably be boring. | |
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06-17-2015 07:51 PM
#2169
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The nights watch is gonna be interesting though. It seems like the wildings at the wall now far outnumber the nights watchmen. Any move by LC Allister (which is totally gonna be a thing) against them would be suicide. The watch would get slaughtered. | |
06-17-2015 08:37 PM
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06-17-2015 10:10 PM
#2171
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tbh if they showed stannis dying, i would probably be extolling the brilliance of the writing. |
06-17-2015 10:26 PM
#2172
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06-19-2015 11:01 PM
#2173
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I think D&D were unsure of whether or not they would use Stannis for s6, so they deliberately didn't show him dying. It's such a strange directorial choice that it calls for a strange interpretation. |
06-19-2015 11:09 PM
#2174
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My other explanation is that since D&D so obviously hate Stannis, they just didn't care and wanted to make getting rid of him as under budget as possible. |
06-20-2015 08:51 AM
#2175
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it's just a red herring | |
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