People also seem to forget that the Martels have two young Lanisters as wards.
04-08-2014 10:26 PM
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People also seem to forget that the Martels have two young Lanisters as wards. | |
04-11-2014 06:56 PM
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Yeah, Arya is cool and collected when she takes care of business. | |
04-11-2014 07:44 PM
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Maisie Williams is a great actress, pretty unique for someone her age. | |
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04-12-2014 03:54 PM
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Shae's a goner. I feel like Tywin or Cersei having her killed isn't their style, but something big has to happen where Tyrion gets in major shit over Shae. All this time I thought that Shae had to have some secret magic power or whatever, because her character was so worthless and pointless and idiotic that nothing made sense. Now I see she's a device for the sole purpose of bringing Tyrion down. Regardless, she is one of the worst characters in TV and needs to fucking die. For a brief moment I thought "maybe I'll just quit watching this whole fucking show on principle" during the stupid Shae scene. It's ironic that GRRM has written so many female characters so well, but then Shae ends up being nothing but the worst kind of bratty batty bitch stereotype |
04-12-2014 05:32 PM
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That's ridiculous wuggy, tyrion and shae are going to live happily ever after 95% guaranteed. | |
04-12-2014 05:46 PM
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Don't blame GRRM, this actress can't manage to portray any genuine emotion. Contrast with Jeoffrey, a despicable role but at least he sells it. Makes me wonder if Shae was this awkward in the books also. I can't imagine that being the case. | |
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04-12-2014 05:56 PM
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The actress' portrayal is definitely atrocious. However, the writing for her character also sucks. She doesn't do anything other than yell at Tyrion for not fucking himself over to run away with her while he tries to keep her from being too loud and getting in even more trouble |
04-12-2014 06:07 PM
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On another note, Oberyn is awesome. You know he's gonna be special because he's a "second son". Regardless, everything about him is great. The new Daario is fine, but people hate him (just like the old Daario) because men loathe other men who act suave. Hound is still the best character and I'm not terribly excited about when Arya leaves him to go chase A Man whenever that happens. Part of me feels a Lannister will die this season, but not sure. Probably the only storyline I'm not interested in is Shae, but I fear there will be a serious lack of Blackfish this season. Oh, also not a fan of the Doucherhood Without Banners. Shit is way too Robin Hood. And the Night's Watch still sucks. Fuck self-righteous institutions and their stupid honor. Everything they call honor never actually is |
04-14-2014 01:50 AM
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According to how everything went down, it has to be Sansa. Which is awesome. I hope she's on the lam now, trying to sneak away. I remember back in s1 I thought she was going to marry him and either poison him or strangle him as he slept. |
04-14-2014 02:50 AM
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I think you're wrong. Sansa was shock-faced. | |
04-14-2014 02:51 AM
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I've looked forward to this day for a long time. | |
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04-14-2014 01:36 PM
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They sure drew the awkwardness out to the maximum possible with Joff talking but his death did surprise me. And the old woman did it, I'm positive. Right when Tyrion picks up the cup, she glances at him with this ominous vibe to it and you already feel from that moment something is going to happen. She knew the cup was poisoned, she did it. | |
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04-14-2014 01:42 PM
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Yes! Some glad it's back, been so long since it was last on |
04-14-2014 04:54 PM
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I might agree, but my problem with it is that putting it in the pie is a logistical problem. Unless there is a custom for the king and only the king to eat pie for a couple minutes before anybody else does, many other bodies would drop. But they didn't. I'm sure Baelish doesn't have a problem with this, but I have a problem with the poison being in the pie if Joff was the only person to die. Perhaps in the books, many people died, maybe Margaery also died, because it only makes sense she would eat a bite briefly after Joff, but the show decided to make it just Joff who died |
04-14-2014 05:06 PM
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If it's a Tyrell, it's stupid. It's super not Oberyn, that's even stupider. There's an outside chance it was Tywin. He does have motive, but he also has anti-motive. He did once say he's going to get the Tyrells back, but this only kinda sorta weaksauces that. He also could have purpose to get Joff away for other reasons, but not doing so is still probably better |
04-14-2014 05:08 PM
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Speaking of Oberyn, WTF was up with his hand running over the candle fire? Did he flinch, did he not? Is he a dragon? |
04-14-2014 05:09 PM
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Nah. | |
04-14-2014 05:17 PM
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It was pretty obvious that it was in the wine, why are you talking about the pie? | |
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04-14-2014 05:19 PM
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It is super acceptable for the bride and groom to get the first pieces long before others, but strange for just the king before the queen. If I'm writing this story and I put it in the pie, I'm also killing Margaery, because it took at least a minute for the poison to act, and it would be super normal for the bride to also get pie in that time. Not to mention that others had pie on their forks, moving towards their mouths. The hole is that this means that the queen was left out of the equation. Margaery not dying *can* be explained by Joffrey being an asshole and just scarfing down pie while even the bride chills. If that's the case, however, it creates a different hole in that nobody else, who had been served pie and would be expected to eat while Joff was munching and batting around Tyrion, died |
04-14-2014 05:28 PM
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I'm a little upset he's dead honestly. Joffrey's scenes were the best in the whole show. He was so arrogant and violent every scene was thick with tension over what he might do |
04-14-2014 05:31 PM
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Oh the point that Dontas whisks Sansa away immediately being a part of LF's plan making Tyrion look bad is very strong. Tyrion is married to her after all, and LF wants to be married to her. LF could easily know that Tyrion is likely to be a fall guy no matter how it goes down, and if Sansa is gone immediately after, it makes him look even more guilty |
04-14-2014 05:36 PM
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The effects did not take minutes. You are wrong about this, and your whole argument rests on this assertion. | |
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04-14-2014 05:52 PM
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It was 50 seconds from bite to cough. I assumed it was closer to 1:20. I think what can explain why nobody else at the front tables ate was due to pausing to watch Joff harass Tyrion. He snatched the plate from Margaery as she tried to feed him the second bite. I think I was wrong, this does all make sense for letting Joffrey be the only death. Most weddings would involve Margaery taking a bite before feeding Joff the second, but it can easily be reasoned that this wouldn't be the case since Joffrey is Joffrey |
04-14-2014 09:06 PM
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wtf is wrong with you people, how can you even postulate that it was the fucking cake. cup and it was either his wife or the grandmother. with grandmother being 9:1 favorite. | |
04-14-2014 09:43 PM
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if it was the wine and wife or grandma, it means the drop was made off camera and in front of everybody. lazy for my tastes. if sansa did it, it means she needed to pick a cup up off the floor in a spot where briefly nobody could see, but if it was the wife or grandma, they never had that opportunity because the only window was very short while they were wheeling out the pie. plus the tyrells have the least to gain, unless there is some new strategy that hasn't been made apparent to the audience yet. the tyrells dont gain much by killing joffrey, but they could gain much by killing both joffrey and tywin if they also had some major secret backers |
04-14-2014 10:12 PM
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So you want it to be sansa so it's "less obvious" or whatever when nothing about sansa's character suggests she could ever be part of such a plot? She's so passive and mousey and such a good pure girl or whatever the sansa theory makes no sense from a character development POV. | |
04-14-2014 10:21 PM
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I'm now sitting on the side that nobody has accurately guessed it, or at least explained it well enough. Even a theory that the poison was meant for Tywin instead of Joffrey has merit |
04-14-2014 10:35 PM
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maybe in the end, but we're not there yet. All the scenes where gramma peels back the layers of cuntiness on joff are wasted as strange misdirection otherwise. | |
04-14-2014 10:52 PM
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I'm with wuf in thinking that those who are confident are over-valuing their clues. As of right now, I think there are far to many unknowns and ambiguities to even say that it was the pie or the wine, much less who did it and who was involved. | |
04-14-2014 10:56 PM
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those don't strike me so much as misdirection as the kind of thing that writers like to do (they're all English majors, after all). Writers adore things like symbolism and symmetry, especially in the elite media environment where single episodes are submitted for Emmys instead of single seasons. Basically, in an episode about the king dying, writers are apt to add a whole lot of subtlety about kings dying |
04-14-2014 11:00 PM
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reek is such an awesome char...nearly shat myself during the shaving scene. | |
04-14-2014 11:52 PM
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This seems like a good explanation of who did it. | |
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04-14-2014 11:58 PM
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there are no possible spoilers. only definite spoilers or not spoilers. which is that? |
04-15-2014 12:06 AM
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I was happy to see it and also surprised that it happened this soon. The only bad thing is that Arya didn't get to do it. | |
04-15-2014 12:28 AM
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04-15-2014 12:31 AM
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04-15-2014 01:18 AM
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i wouldnt click the link JL posted unless you wanna know who it is. it's basically bulletproof. im pretty sure it will get out and 2p2 will be discussing it too (they already are, partly) |
04-15-2014 01:20 AM
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that's the risk run discussing a show like this. the bookreaders aren't the ones finding the spoilers, it's people watching it, finding all the details. just like the breaking bad ricin. how that happened would have surprised everybody if it wasn't for the investigative internet |
04-15-2014 09:15 AM
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the slide show is definitely a book reader | |
04-15-2014 04:19 PM
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which means he's definitely a douchebag. non-bookreaders would have figured it out within a few days though |
04-15-2014 06:33 PM
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Yeah, some of my friends have read the books but most of them have been cool about not giving shit away. | |
04-15-2014 07:38 PM
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BANNED
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04-15-2014 07:50 PM
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you seriously just posted a spoiler tag without explaining what it's relating to and for whom it's a spoiler? why are you posting anything that's a spoiler in the first place? |
04-15-2014 09:31 PM
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honestly, we should just avoid the this fucking topic completely. | |
04-15-2014 10:23 PM
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i no has mod powers anymore to police teh thread =( | |
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04-15-2014 11:16 PM
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you spoiler babies, it's just images from the last episode. Only a spoiler if you haven't seen the latest episode and then the rest of this page is a spoiler too. | |
04-15-2014 11:44 PM
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i am about six million percent positive chippy came up with that joke all by himself |
04-16-2014 04:14 AM
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It's only a spoiler if you haven't seen episode 2, didn't need spoiler tags. | |
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04-17-2014 12:03 AM
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She's not half as bad as the son that killed the farmer's boy and whose story line they spent hours on last season without it going anywhere. And it's still continuing. I half expect him to just die from pneumonia without having any impact on the story going forward. | |
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04-17-2014 12:14 AM
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I'd spend an hour in a bouncy gym with Fat Pie before five seconds talking to Shae's stupid face |
04-17-2014 10:32 PM
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04-18-2014 12:07 AM
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04-18-2014 12:37 AM
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Hopefully Sunday's episode will have more info about who did it. Otherwise I might have to give into temptation and look at the slides. | |
04-18-2014 12:52 AM
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I can't imagine it being kept much of a secret for longer than one or two eps. |
04-18-2014 05:18 AM
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As great as their intrigue is that's how bad GoT handles its romance. Tyrion + Shae = cringe and I don't buy it from either of them. There's I guess Jamie and Cersei romance? | |
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04-18-2014 04:15 PM
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GoT is way different than something like The Hobbit where those little guys go through all kinds of danger without getting killed. | |
04-18-2014 06:24 PM
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04-21-2014 07:40 AM
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When did the Christian Bale as Batman voice become the pinnacle of acting? | |
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04-21-2014 11:33 AM
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Ha, LF isn't that bad. I kinda like it actually. At least with him it seems to make sense-- when he is playing a humble small council member in the service of the king, his demeanor is brighter, but when he's being a straight up super villain and knows he can show his colors, he sounds downright evil. Carcetti gets a lot of hate, but I think he's doing a superb job. | |
04-21-2014 09:54 PM
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As a bookreader, IMO Carcetti embodies Littlefinger from the books better than almost any of the other actors. | |
04-21-2014 11:11 PM
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Yeah, he is definitely the most underrated actor on the show. | |
04-21-2014 11:14 PM
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Really? I was gonna say that I would love him if it wasn't for that awful speaking style |
04-22-2014 12:35 AM
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Wait, I decided I'm not picking Littlefinger to have betrayed his partner(s). I think he legit wants vengeance on the murderers of Catelyn Stark. So I think this is part of a major power play to topple the Lannister hold on the throne |
04-22-2014 01:17 AM
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we desperately need an oberyn vs gregor clegane fight to the death |
04-26-2014 06:24 PM
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Something we didn't catch but I'm sure was clear in the books: nobody liked Joffrey. What I mean is that he was choking, and nobody was helping. It took Olenna shouting "help your king!" for anybody to even do anything. If it wasn't for Cersei and Jaime, the entire wedding crowd would likely have just sat there watching him bleed out |
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04-26-2014 09:02 PM
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would be sick cool if trial by combat came back (why not?). tyrion picks oberyn, cersei picks the mountain. oberyn kills two birds with one stone |
04-28-2014 12:25 AM
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scene at craster's probably most unsettling of the show. that dude is the spitting image of willem dafoe, who is the spitting image of evil |
04-28-2014 12:37 AM
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maybe tywin is still involved, but that means something has to give with littlefinger i.e. one party in the conspiracy is doing something another party doesn't know |
04-28-2014 01:04 AM
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I think Tywin's badassery has people over estimating his ability to play the game. Obviously he is a grand master, but he isn't the only one, and if he's ahead of his peers, it's not by much. | |
04-28-2014 04:59 PM
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I'm picking Oathkeeper to fall into Hound's hands and he kills loads of walkers with it. For a spell, it'll be the only Valyrian sword in the North. Maybe Brienne will kill some walkers, but I think Hound's role in the overall story is much bigger than hers, and he'll eventually fight on the side of the LoL, which means shanking loads of walkers |
04-28-2014 10:50 PM
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Dragon's glass (Obsidian) kills walkers, not Valyrian steel. Also, I'm not 100% on it, but I believe Jon's sword is Valyrian steel as well. | |
04-28-2014 11:05 PM
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All this time I thought they were the same. I suspect Valyrian steel has some special power though. If it doesn't, then the distinction is a huge waste since it seems to be so important. Maybe it has the same power as obsidian as well as more |
04-29-2014 12:21 AM
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Nah, not even. | |
04-29-2014 12:31 AM
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Conceptually I think that can work, but that doesn't seem to be how the GoT story is told. I think the concept works better without multiple reference points. What I mean is along the lines of how it isn't just "Valyrian steel", but that Valyria is the source of dragons and Danaerys' heritage and likely her resistance to fire. I think the author intends there to be more to each of the lore bits that are discussed, especially the ones that make it into the show |
04-29-2014 12:55 AM
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I'm a little upset that it looks like Bran won't be going any further north. I thought the signs were pointing towards something creepy cool like his dreams being influenced by the Old Gods, who are also the walkers, and that the chief walker/god was beckoning him for a meeting in the depths of walker territory, where we would glimpse into mysteries of walker-dom. There's a lot of awesome stuff that can't be done without Bran getting deep into what it means to be a walker |