05-23-2012 04:33 PM
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05-23-2012 06:34 PM
#752
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Re wuf: not going to say much about this since I dont wanna spoil and im not saying if the dany/jorah relationship is.important or not. But good god man. We get it. If jorah loves dany, it doesnt make much sense due to the way its been portrayed. One post suffices to explain this, not 17... -___- | |
05-23-2012 07:14 PM
#753
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This wouldn't be the first time I've been tricked into thinking that when 2p2ers express opinions, they're doing so from a position of intelligence. So yeah, it really should have been just a few posts |
05-23-2012 07:31 PM
#754
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for the record wuf, I think you're right in that they haven't been setting it up -- but at the same time, he's a dude and she's hot, and HBO has many 13 yr old boys working for them so who knows wat could happen? | |
05-23-2012 08:16 PM
#755
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THOSE ISLAND CUNTS | |
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05-23-2012 09:15 PM
#756
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the island cunt sister was awesome last ep, crushing theonbitch's dreams of holding winterfell like a femboss. | |
05-23-2012 09:21 PM
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05-23-2012 09:23 PM
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I may or may not have come across a bunch of spoilers from the books, but I kinda don't care because I don't actually know and I predict the show is going to end up having deviated a lot from the books |
05-24-2012 01:32 AM
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Man I just snap avoid everything I read that might even be potentially spoiler material. | |
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05-24-2012 04:20 AM
#760
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Where....where do you find these all wuf! omg <3 | |
05-24-2012 05:23 AM
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Got them all from this thread. If you haven't read the books, I recommend not going in there. I don't think there are any explicit spoilers, but some of the jpg material is made by people who have read the books. I think that I have figured out some things they have unwittingly posted that are spoilers, but I don't know for sure because it's mostly inference |
05-24-2012 05:56 AM
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Keeping on topic of the 2p2 hate, they also think Dany is a terrible actress. Which is retarded. She is supposed to appear as if she's overacting, so to speak, and a dramatic entitled brat. That's exactly how Viserys was |
05-24-2012 03:48 PM
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Cat lost her surname. She's a Tully now. Tully are worthless. | |
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05-24-2012 05:10 PM
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05-24-2012 05:26 PM
#765
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A GIRL CANNOT GIVE A MAN HIS OWN NAME | |
05-24-2012 06:04 PM
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THIRD PERSON TALK MAKES BIKES FEEL COOL | |
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05-24-2012 06:48 PM
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05-24-2012 06:51 PM
#768
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Must say, Osha is kinda hot |
05-25-2012 02:26 AM
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i have decided i really hope for an in depth ygritte/jon romance. it has all the makings for something great. not just because a good romance gets me all mushy, but that there's a great story arising out of the whole "you know nothing, jon snow" implication of it all |
05-25-2012 03:40 AM
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I think you're bang-on (pun intended LOLOLOL I'MA SO FUNNY). Given the convo Jon had with the other captive crow whose name escapes me at the moment -- the bit where he implicitly encourages Jon to work his way into the good graces of the wildlings and put the screws to them at some later time -- it seems that he'll have plenty of opportunity to do the nasty with Ygritte. Would be kinda fun and shit, but I sort of wish these romances weren't always so telegraphed. | |
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05-25-2012 03:40 AM
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05-25-2012 05:13 AM
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If I had to guess, it would be that a blossoming love corresponds with his realization of why he should side with the wildlings, but your way isn't too far from that |
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05-25-2012 05:17 AM
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05-27-2012 12:08 PM
#774
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nooo | |
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05-27-2012 03:43 PM
#775
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what's not to like about creepy chan? |
05-27-2012 04:30 PM
#776
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dunno I just googled it and apparently that's not an insult so OK | |
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05-28-2012 01:52 AM
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What a great episode. Until now they had skipped over most of the battles, making it even better to devote an entire episode to the siege on the iron throne now. | |
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05-28-2012 02:13 AM
#778
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fuck fuck fuck is all I can say. Loras is a douche | |
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05-28-2012 04:53 AM
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Holy shit that wildfire explosion was amazing |
05-28-2012 05:14 AM
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I should clarify. I think they're taking it in a direction of an unbelievable showdown between great magic and god powers. Walkers vs Dragons, or something of that sort. I wouldn't be surprised if that whole thing gets way more dynamic though, things like some god avatars or something show up. I've thought that Melisandre could be a sort of avatar, or maybe Jaqen. But they are talking about the gods in interesting ways. So much of the mysterious stuff seems to be attached to gods. Like how Melisandre brought the God of Light, and how the wildlings "serve crueler gods than you or I" in reference to something the White Walkers were involved in. Found it particularly interesting when Jaqen said "by the seven new gods and the old gods beyond counting". These references are in an authentic fashion that could just be really damn good writing, but I think are more along the lines of being significant to the story than creating a genuine milieu |
05-28-2012 05:53 AM
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Hells yes |
05-28-2012 07:18 AM
#782
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That episode was straight paper. | |
05-28-2012 08:16 AM
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All I ever really wanted from Game of Thrones was to see people chopped in half by Clegane. | |
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05-28-2012 03:10 PM
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Pretty sure that was Meryn |
05-28-2012 07:21 PM
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It was a member of the Kingsguard. | |
05-28-2012 08:52 PM
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05-29-2012 04:55 AM
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I have figured out from the opening credits and HBO map that Qarth is about 1/3rd or 1/4th the way around the world from King's Landing. The southern pole also appears to be winter-less. In order to go from KL to Qarth, the opening credits curvature looks like it has to go pretty deep into the southern hemisphere, where it's all sunny and the ocean is even called the Summer Sea |
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05-29-2012 05:02 AM
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Looks like they'll be marrying Margaery and Teh Joff. I figured something like this would happen after she said what she did to Littlefinger, but I didn't like a marriage to Teh Joff because she looks like she's ten years older than him. However, that marriage would make for a really interesting story, so they should probably do it |
05-29-2012 05:27 AM
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Tyrion isn't really dead, is he? | |
05-29-2012 05:36 AM
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wuf, I'm not sure I agree with how you would write the story... I think involving the gods directly in this story would probably be a mistake. Mystery is good. However I do like how you've explored the different magics and what this all could possibly mean. In that same line of thought, notice that The Hound's face got the way it is by fire, and he pretty much froze up and all he could say was that the black water was on fire. Then later he tells his little dove that he plans to go north. | |
05-29-2012 05:44 AM
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can't be meryn because sers mandon and boros were with tyrion. | |
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05-29-2012 05:47 AM
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also <3 ser dontos cameo | |
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05-29-2012 06:38 AM
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I generally agree. I am going with where I think they're going based on what they've already shown. A lot of how well it would go would be based in how well they could mesh. Things like a prophet or a priestess of a god is some level of meshing the god with the world because some of the god-powers and desires are manifested through the pseudo-avatar. I think we may already be seeing this in the story, but it is a stark contrast to an idea of gods where they "come down" and take their preferred form and do their own shit. That's a really tough story to sell |
05-29-2012 11:17 AM
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I love how the bigwigs just charge into battle. Get the first ladder up? Stannis is the first motherfucker up there. Old man Tywin comes in all bloody from his many victims. If that's how shit actually went down, there would be a lot more turnover in leadership roles than there already is. I know they're supposed to be bad motherfuckers, but there's still a ton of variance in battle when things get chaotic. w/e, makes for good TV. | |
05-29-2012 11:52 AM
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Yeah this leaders charging first thing irked me aswell. Even after the wildfire bombardment he was in the first boat leading the landing party. That is just dumb, you just make it more likely to get hit by everything and die before you get anywhere. Such things stand out especially because everything else was done so well to make it feel real. | |
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05-29-2012 12:13 PM
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Stannis charging in makes sense bc a) he's a legit badass and more importantly b) his host is reduced to dregs, given his combat prowess hIs participation could directly mean the difference between winning and losing. | |
05-29-2012 02:09 PM
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Agree. I also think Stannis is a straight up bawss and had been rooting for him throughout the last episode. The only reason to root for Joff not to die is that it would mean Tyrion would probably die too, and some other obv implications i.e. Cersei, Bronn, etc etc. So from a story perspective it was quite obvious that Stannis' army was going to lose the battle. | |
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05-29-2012 02:32 PM
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05-29-2012 02:45 PM
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05-29-2012 04:12 PM
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So will his death. It is a common movie thing and it makes you look cool and bad-ass, but it is just not realistic to put someone like that in front, when they have to charge through a hail of arrows and rocks to even get to the opposition. You can put your generals and commanders in front to lead, not the guy who is there to become king. | |
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05-29-2012 04:16 PM
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While I agree it's foolish to expose such a weak spot to battle where Stannis falling basically arrests the entire army, it's not as if warrior-kings haven't been perpetually on the front lines before. | |
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05-29-2012 04:27 PM
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Not uncommon at all for medieval-era nobles to lead armies into battle. Notably, Richard the Lionhearted was more renowned as a warrior/soldier than politician. It was actually pretty difficult to kill fully armored knights, and certainly really damn hard with the melee weapons used in the Battle of Blackwater. | |
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05-29-2012 04:48 PM
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pay attn to the show penneywise! | |
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05-29-2012 04:49 PM
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The fact that he was so renowned for it shows it was not common at all though. I do fully agree that it is a lot more forgiving to be more exposed in medieval times because it is harder to kill someone, in later times with the advance of ranged weapon technology people of note would not go anywhere near the front lines anymore because they would just get sniped. | |
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05-29-2012 05:11 PM
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Stannis did all that shit without wearing a helmet! BAWS | |
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05-29-2012 05:17 PM
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I think it has more to do with some of the choreography being off due to a limited budget. If this was Ridley Scott making the seige of Jerusalem, Stannis being on the front lines would have been more believable. The way it looked in GoT was that there was almost nobody defending where Stannis was, so it looked like a sore thumb. |
05-29-2012 05:33 PM
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I think we'd need to ask a book-reader to let us know whether the depiction of Stannis being relatively unprotected / unescorted on the battlefield was either a story or budget-driven element. Either way, I found it relatively believable. | |
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05-29-2012 06:21 PM
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I think people were surprised because of it being a show, not how the story developed. What I mean is that nobody expects the main character to die because shows don't kill them, but the storytelling actually made it pretty clear Ned was probably gonna die |
05-29-2012 06:30 PM
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Yeah battle logistics and choreography is something I try to not care about because the staff almost never know what they're doing. Because I've watched so much MMA, I can't even watch fight scenes anymore because of how unbearably unrealistic they are. That would be why I was impressed with Bronn killing those two guys; while it was still a little unrealistic, they made it very well |
05-29-2012 06:36 PM
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Any comments on Arya's buddies i.e. the fat kid and Robert's only living bastard (again, whose name escapes me) | |
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05-29-2012 06:41 PM
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oh by the way, I don't see Cersei dying, at least not yet. Recall Tyrion's "(...) will turn to ashes in your mouth, and you will know the debt is repaid" shpiel, seems like this will take time to carry out. If Cersei dies before anything happens on that front, obv providing Tyrion himself is not dead (can't see this being the case), then that scene is a bit pointless. The meaning changes from Tyrion rightfully expressing his desire to get back at Cersei for being such a bitch and threatening those close to him, to Tyrion putting on a bit of a show just to act like he's pissed and dissuade Cersei from digging any deeper and actually finding Shae. meh | |
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05-29-2012 07:19 PM
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Shae was already made before that gay dude interrupted. She's done for. Cersei is looking for a special girl somewhere, and she can kill anyone for fun and pleasure, and then tell Tyrion to see if he still has his pokerface. | |
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05-29-2012 07:51 PM
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I think Gendry is pretty important, and will eventually father Arya's son. I think this was suggested at in ways like when Ned gave Arya that talk about how she has to be a good little lady, but she didn't want to. Yet comes in a dude she actually likes, who's also a secret Baratheon. I don't think Stannis can hold the Baratheon storyline as long as it needs to be held, and bringing in Gendry, especially if he's wedded to a Stark, would create a very compelling dynamic for the Baratheons in the latter seasons |
05-29-2012 07:58 PM
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Edit: I was too slow for my comment to still be relevant =( | |
05-29-2012 09:28 PM
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Yes but be careful about using anecdotal evidence. Napoleon is considered one of the greatest generals of all time, and he never inspired morale by fighting in the front lines. Neither would Julius Caesar charge ahead of his troops into a siege. I do agree stannis needed to boost morale after the big hit they took from the wildfire, but what would happen if the best marksman of the city watch put an arrow through his eye? Morale would be gone, they might aswell return to their ships and sail back home. | |
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05-29-2012 09:39 PM
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George Washington was on the front lines rallying his troops in various Revolutionary War battles, most notably the Battle of Princeton. | |
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05-29-2012 10:34 PM
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To use a poker analogy, this is like going all-in on a gut shot. All the ones that have died because of this didn't make it into the history books. the ones that did survive were all the more epic for it. Joan of Arc took an arrow in the neck at a siege against the English in Orleans and came back later to lead the charge and win. If the arrow had killed her, we just would have never heard of her as an iconic figure. Fact remains, the king climbing up the ladder first in a siege is really dumb. | |
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05-29-2012 11:10 PM
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WHY ARE YOU DEBATING THIS OMG. damn nits | |
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05-29-2012 11:24 PM
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In the real world, Stannis would have had much better armor, fortification of the gate would be much better, they'd be dropping hot tar and fire over the walls onto everybody, Hound wouldn't have taken his attack party out of the gates, and Stannis' first ladder would have for sure gotten knocked down |
05-30-2012 12:45 AM
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This thread was too cordial, some good arguing was needed. | |
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05-30-2012 01:29 AM
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I can understand the gut reaction of "omg Stannis going first is so unrealistic!" But in light of historical characters and events, it just isn't that silly. It's obviously a bit more fantastical than reality, but I think it's fully believable within the fiction and within the bounds of the character. | |
05-30-2012 01:38 AM
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I want nittery! | |
05-30-2012 01:40 AM
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The Hound: "If any man dies with a clean sword, I'll rape his fucking corpse." | |
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05-30-2012 01:47 AM
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BTW, if you're into movie battle scenes, and I obviously am, I really think nothing compares to the epic grandeur of the LOTR battles. They're also probably the most unrealistic outside of a Mel Gibson movie. | |
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05-30-2012 02:08 AM
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His acting in this scene was fucking legit. He does calculated intensity extremely well |