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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    All people are potential killers. Excellent logic there.
    You're smarter than to use this type of weak argument.

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    If you start assuming that any petty thief should get shot on sight because he potentially could be a murderer or a rapist, where do you stop? Hell everybody I come across with in the street could potentially be a murderer or a rapist.
    You're smarter than to use this type of weak argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    All people are potential killers. Excellent logic there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daviddem View Post
    You're smarter than to use this type of weak argument.
    Says the potential rapist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    Says the potential rapist.
    Says the guy who intended to train-wreck my candy ass two posts ago.

    Just sayin'.
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    Common sense. Where because it works in one instance every time, I'm allowed to generalize.

    Common sense. Where because it doesn't work in one novel instance once, no one cares because it's common sense.

    Common sense; where because someone with a vanishingly small chance of ever killing someone in his lifetime and Ted Bundy at age 1 have a nonzero chance of eventually killing, everyone is a possible killer.

    It's just common sense.
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    PS so long as he hangs at 9999 posts, he can't respond. So he's just got to swallow the fact that he's being real dumb. Like super dumb. Like dumber than dumb and then some. So entirely dumb that dumb itself is tripping over itself and starting to realize how dumb dumb is.
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    thoughts? here is a more comprehensive look at the overall situation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_sho..._United_States

    See this is an example of something that I think is crazy, bordering on comical. The funny part of it is, is that just having that thought would make me an anti-gun commie in some peoples' eyes. That is how far the spectrum is being pushed and how contentious and for/against the whole topic can be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukie View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=4b-ztawuh98

    thoughts? here is a more comprehensive look at the overall situation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_sho..._United_States

    See this is an example of something that I think is crazy, bordering on comical. The funny part of it is, is that just having that thought would make me an anti-gun commie in some peoples' eyes. That is how far the spectrum is being pushed and how contentious and for/against the whole topic can be.
    The first and foremost absurd thing in there is every state having its own rules and regulations. It's pretty much like having a different traffic code for every state. You can't possibly have a nationwide consistent policy in these conditions. There should at the very least be a strong federal framework within which the states can be more restrictive than the federal framework if they wish to, but not more lax.

    And then yes, of course, what's the point of having any safeguards in place if there is an obvious and easy way to avoid them.
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    My thoughts: Man I'm so torn on this issue. I think that the dude is a retard and that when you steal you open yourself up to risk of being killed, especially in America. On the other hand I think shooting someone in the head when they represent no existential threat to you is morally wrong. This doesn't even fall in the realm of castle doctrine. When someone breaks into your house you don't know if they are a survival threat to you so its ok to kill them because of the uncertainty, but if they are driving off in your car there's no question of whether they are a threat. They aren't. I guess I'm not so torn after all, I def think the shooter should face charges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingnat View Post
    Renton did you not notice, that I copied your comments from fb and posted them here?
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    I find this quite endearing:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_WTjjPyd2s

    These two are quite popular, I like their videos, they seem nice enough. They work in a gun store, they are both outspoken about carrying a gun absolutely everywhere and they know their fair share about them, yet between them they admit to having accidentally shot through walls and floors a good half a dozen times in their life.
    I know this does nothing to further any debate since the argument is that guns are needed in the increasingly likely case that zombi hitler will return and take over the US government in which case the common man will naturally be the last line of defence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    I find this quite endearing:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_WTjjPyd2s

    These two are quite popular, I like their videos, they seem nice enough. They work in a gun store, they are both outspoken about carrying a gun absolutely everywhere and they know their fair share about them, yet between them they admit to having accidentally shot through walls and floors a good half a dozen times in their life.
    I know this does nothing to further any debate since the argument is that guns are needed in the increasingly likely case that zombi hitler will return and take over the US government in which case the common man will naturally be the last line of defence.
    Dear god. People like these two are the reason people laugh at the US. Just fucking unbelievable....
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    First reference:
    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm

    States that out of 31,672 gun related deaths, 11,078 were counts of homicide. I'm not a statistician, but that graphic does not seem to represent this number to me. There is no mention of the counts of gun related deaths in self defense as far as I can tell, and looking at different sources the numbers gathered from surveys vary by over 500% so to present this as if there was a conclusive number for those statistics seems very manipulative.
    I am admittedly confused how these numbers go together. Does this mean that 2/3rds of gun related deaths were accidental? Or does it not count sucidide as homicide. In any case the graphic is bullshit.

    Not to mention: HOW FUCKING INEPT HAVE THOSE CRIMINALS HAVE TO BE!
    Victims: 88.5, criminals: 1?

    I don't even know why I'm still at this...
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    First reference:
    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm

    States that out of 31,672 gun related deaths, 11,078 were counts of homicide. I'm not a statistician, but that graphic does not seem to represent this number to me.
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    Are you literally licking your monitor right now or are you trolling. I can't even tell anymore.
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    Criminals Killed Each Year:

    Police: 606

    Armed Citizens: 1527


    Is this supposed to cast armed citizenry in a positive light? Because I'm not seeing it that way. First of all, there are far too many variables to make this direct statistical comparison meaningful in the slightest-- but even with all things being equal, the roll of the police is not to kill criminals. The lower the number, the better. We have a judiciary system for a reason.

    I definitely lean towards gun control, but I think it is a very nuanced issue. Abusing and misrepresenting statistics to "win" the debate is pretty much the nut low. You're a smart guy spoon, aside from trolling, why do you insist on reducing the debate to a win at all costs shit slinging event?
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    Little pictures like that are usually full of bollocks. An argument about gun control and whether it's right or wrong can't be summed up in a little picture and a post like that just makes the argument look idiotic.

    "Despite stricter gun control Europe has had 3 of the worst 6 school shootings".

    America has 33, 9, 6, 6 as it's highest.
    Europe has 9 & one 6.

    So that's 2/6 of the worst shootings.

    The 9 happened in Finland, which has one of the highest gun ownerships according to the graph itself.

    The 6 happened in Germany, where you can own a gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImSavy View Post
    Little pictures like that are usually full of bollocks. An argument about gun control and whether it's right or wrong can't be summed up in a little picture and a post like that just makes the argument look idiotic.

    "Despite stricter gun control Europe has had 3 of the worst 6 school shootings".

    America has 33, 9, 6, 6 as it's highest.
    Europe has 9 & one 6.

    So that's 4/6 of the worst shootings.

    The 9 happened in Finland, which has one of the highest gun ownerships according to the graph itself.

    The 6 happened in Germany, where you can own a gun.
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    Even if you are trolling, it's not even clever.
    If you were to say: Gun control laws dry out my vagina, make me permanently flaccid, give me hemorrhoids just to think about!
    Those are valid points! We'd have to debate you on that! But to post an image with baseless numbers and a video of someone shooting someone - what is that? Why would that... I don't...
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    Even if you are trolling, it's not even clever.
    If you were to say: Gun control laws dry out my vagina, make me permanently flaccid, give me hemorrhoids just to think about!
    Those are valid points! We'd have to debate you on that! But to post an image with baseless numbers and a video of someone shooting someone - what is that? Why would that... I don't...
    Yeah but he was black.
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    Do you think that that would make me angry or make me laugh? I think I should tell you that I could not feel more indifferent if I tried. I have stronger feelings about oatmeal than I have about that comment. Whatever it is you're trying to do, you're falling short on all fronts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    Do you think that that would make me angry or make me laugh?
    Dude this is the most racist thing I think I've ever heard in my life.
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    Do you think that I would be offended by racism? You realize I'm austrian, right? We basically invented racism.
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    That stat about guns being used in self defence - surely must be flawed, as presumably they were defending against a gun??? So therefore it would always swing the other way???????
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    Quote Originally Posted by WillburForce View Post
    That stat about guns being used in self defence - surely must be flawed, as presumably they were defending against a gun??? So therefore it would always swing the other way???????
    What they were defending against isn't broken down in the stats, but criminals will have guns whether they are legal or not, so it's not entirely relevant.
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    yes, but is shooting back at them the best solution?
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    Quote Originally Posted by eugmac View Post
    yes, but is shooting back at them the best solution?
    As opposed to letting criminals assault you, rape you and/or take anything they want from you at any given time? Sure.
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    Are there much less assaults, rapes and robberies in the USA than in other developed countries?
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    What they were defending against isn't broken down in the stats, but criminals will have guns whether they are legal or not, so it's not entirely relevant.
    I can assure you that in England the vast majority of crimes that take place people don't have guns.

    If someone pulls a knife out of me when I'm walking home one night and tells me to give him my wallet. I make the decision if I want to risk getting stabbed or just give the guy my wallet, which is never going to have a huge amount of money in as I'm not an idiot who carries loads of cash. If we change this scenario to both of us having guns, I make the same decision pretty much. I either give him my wallet or risk getting shot, the only difference is there is now a chance I shoot him too. And I don't think shooting someone is a valid respone to them trying to mug me.

    You'll find that Americans are just more likely to be paranoid into thinking they are going to get mugged/raped/whatever. Due to the constant fear their press makes them think that they are under all the time.
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    Never thought of it from that perspective actually - if you're robbing somebody and are 100% sure they don't have a gun, there's no reason to carry one either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eugmac View Post
    Never thought of it from that perspective actually - if you're robbing somebody and are 100% sure they don't have a gun, there's no reason to carry one either.
    The bold isn't true at all. Having a gun would give you a huge advantage, and it's absurd to think that criminals would not take advantage of that.
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    Be that as it may, how come the whole of Europe/Japan etc aren't completely run over by armed criminals?
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    The bold isn't true at all. Having a gun would give you a huge advantage, and it's absurd to think that criminals would not take advantage of that.
    It doesn't. It increases risk much more than it increases reward. A weapon is just needed to scare people, the idea is to not actually use it.

    Having a gun = more jail time.
    Having a gun = more chance of you killing someone = more jail time
    Having a gun = more chance of you getting killed

    Having a gun =/= The person you are robbing will magically be carrying more that you can rob.
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    Mind you, having lived in northern England, I can tell you that it wouldn't surprise me if crime rates were higher there than in most parts of the US. I can say the opposite about places like Germany or Japan. What I'm saying is, from my experience, crimes like muggings and robberies correlate to high poverty rates, and there are other ways to combat that than simply threatening to shoot them.
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    ITT people have no right to defend themselves or their property.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eugmac View Post
    Be that as it may, how come the whole of Europe/Japan etc aren't completely run over by armed criminals?
    Because cops have guns too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eugmac View Post
    Be that as it may, how come the whole of Europe/Japan etc aren't completely run over by armed criminals?
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    And you suppose that the armed American populace has prevented organized crime rings to happen?

    Regardless, Japan is one of the safest places to be, which is why Japanese tourists get owned when they go abroad and meet harsh reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    ITT people have no right to defend themselves or their property.
    I have a cricket bat handy. Break into my house when I'm in and I'll happy smack it around your head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WillburForce View Post
    I have a cricket bat handy. Break into my house when I'm in and I'll happy smack it around your head.
    But you could kill someone?! How do they let JUST ANYBODY have a cricket bat??
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    But you could kill someone?! How do they let JUST ANYBODY have a cricket bat??
    Because with a cricket bat you can also, uhm, play cricket with
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    Because with a cricket bat you can also, uhm, play cricket with
    I would have thought the reply to spoons argument was that you can kill someone with a banana too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eugmac View Post
    And you suppose that the armed American populace has prevented organized crime rings to happen?

    Regardless, Japan is one of the safest places to be, which is why Japanese tourists get owned when they go abroad and meet harsh reality.
    Are u sure?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    Because with a cricket bat you can also, uhm, play cricket with
    There are lots of other things that you can do with a gun besides kill someone, so the logic doesn't hold that guns should be banned just because they can be used to kill. Their designed purpose is irrelevant to this.
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    Once again Spoon: Just because you state something doesn't make it true. Unless you can explain it, your statement is the thing that is irrelevant.
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    I have worked hard all my life for the things I own. Will I use a gun to defend me and my stuff? Definitely. Would I have shot the guy in the head? No. I would have just wounded him. Give him a little reminder not to mess with peoples stuff ever again.
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    And it's because it's idiots like you who want to have guns, people who don't care for guns don't want you to have guns. Even most gun owners will tell you that shooting to wound is a horribly bad choice and shows no foresight whatsoever. If your brain activity is so clinically low that you cannot understand why shooting to piss someone off is a bad idea, you should not be allowed to own a gun. You are quite simply too stupid to own a gun. Even Spoonitnow: Resident pole licker and redneck extraordinaire will tell you that you are being retarded. This is how dumb what you just said is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    And it's because it's idiots like you who want to have guns, people who don't care for guns don't want you to have guns. Even most gun owners will tell you that shooting to wound is a horribly bad choice and shows no foresight whatsoever. If your brain activity is so clinically low that you cannot understand why shooting to piss someone off is a bad idea, you should not be allowed to own a gun. You are quite simply too stupid to own a gun. Even Spoonitnow: Resident pole licker and redneck extraordinaire will tell you that you are being retarded. This is how dumb what you just said is.
    Wow you really are clueless.
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    Spoon, have you ever been mugged or raped?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WillburForce View Post
    Spoon, have you ever been mugged or raped?
    Can't it be both?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WillburForce View Post
    Spoon, have you ever been mugged or raped?
    Yes.
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    I know this isn't an argument in and of itself, but you ought to know your opinion is stupid when it is shared by the father on American Dad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penneywize View Post


    I know this isn't an argument in and of itself, but you ought to know your opinion is stupid when it is shared by the father on American Dad.
    Cars kill more people than guns.
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    In other news, most domestic violence (both minor and serious) is committed by women according to the Canadian Journal of Behavioral Science.
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    What classes as domestic violence?

    And do you mean they win both categories minor & serious, or if you combine the two they come out on top?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImSavy View Post
    What classes as domestic violence?

    And do you mean they win both categories minor & serious, or if you combine the two they come out on top?
    They win both individually.

    While 10.8 per cent of the men surveyed had pushed, grabbed or thrown objects at their spouses, 12.4 per cent of women had done so too. And although 2.5 per cent of men used serious violence, so did 4.7 per cent of women.

    Marilyn Kwong, who carried out the new analysis, also examined eight other studies and found the pattern was universal. Inconvenient facts had been cut out.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ex-crimes.html
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    DID YOU GUYS KNOW AN APPLE IS A FRUIT LIKE A BANANA BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THINGS AND THOSE ARE THINGS!














    You're an idiot
    The strengh of a hero is defined by the weakness of his villains.

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