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    This shit's gonna be the best movie ever

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    Trailers do ruin the movie for me,

    So I will practice strict self discipline to not click that damn play button
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    Hey, I'm in a movie!
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    teasers are different. those trailers are always awesome

    it's the non-teasers that create problems
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    I'm not thrilled that they are not basing it on Lucas' original story.
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    I want them to make Revan's story, in a nice septology a la Harry Potter, but that will never happen
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    Cogito ergo sum

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    Hey, I'm in a movie!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYdwe3ArFWA
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    unnghhhhh yeeeesss
    I will destroy you with sunshine and kittens.
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    ive never been so blue balled in my entire life from a tease.

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    I'm just amazed that they recaptured the grit of the originals. and the feel that a small man in a big world can do big things yet he's still just a small man
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    I'm just amazed
    ...

    1 minute and 31 seconds.

    A trailer.

    I'll save my hype.
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    The new lightsabre is retarded. The little dildo beams off to either side won't do shit. If another energy beam were riding down the main shaft of this, it'd slice off the little dips on other side.

    Also, it's retarded because you know they had dozens of meetings conceptualizing new lightsabre designs, because they have a checklist of things they have to do for a new sequel/seventhquel and it was a big one. Can't wait to see the new wookies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    ...

    1 minute and 31 seconds.

    A trailer.

    I'll save my hype.
    It takes far less than that to get it. Go watch any of the prequels trailers then come back and agree with me. Those did not feel like scenes from a Star Wars film, but the clips in this trailer do. There is still a bit of change in the cinematography, but enough of it is still true to form. Just the first three scenes are enough to illustrate this
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    The new lightsabre is retarded. The little dildo beams off to either side won't do shit. If another energy beam were riding down the main shaft of this, it'd slice off the little dips on other side.

    Also, it's retarded because you know they had dozens of meetings conceptualizing new lightsabre designs, because they have a checklist of things they have to do for a new sequel/seventhquel and it was a big one. Can't wait to see the new wookies.
    the lightsaber is the only weak part. it shouldnt be a limiting factor though. sorta like in war films the actors walk close together and converse even though in reality they dont
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    The fuck are those stupid lightsabres?

    Underwhelmed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    It takes far less than that to get it. Go watch any of the prequels trailers then come back and agree with me. Those did not feel like scenes from a Star Wars film, but the clips in this trailer do. There is still a bit of change in the cinematography, but enough of it is still true to form. Just the first three scenes are enough to illustrate this
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    Google: Misleading Trailers

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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    ...

    Google: Misleading Trailers


    Entirely different kind of a thing

    It only takes seconds to capture or fail at capturing a form. Several scenes in this trailer captured old school Star Wars form. The prequels captured 0% of the form 100% of the time
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Entirely different kind of a thing

    It only takes seconds to capture or fail at capturing a form. Several scenes in this trailer captured old school Star Wars form. The prequels captured 0% of the form 100% of the time
    This is a basic problem of information theory. There's a movie 1.5 hours long compressed into 1.5 minutes. Some things were lost in the compression. You see the 1.5 minutes and imagine it as a 1.5 hour long movie. The movie in your head and the movie that exists will not match for obvious reasons.
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    Even worse, it's selectively compressed and edited. Only a fool would think he can see the real movie through this window.
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    I'm not talking about any of that. Just single scenes. Just the couple seconds of the guy's sudden appearance in awkward exasperation against a gritty desolate background. Star Wars was captured by that
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    I'm not talking about any of that. Just single scenes. Just the couple seconds of the guy's sudden appearance in awkward exasperation against a gritty desolate background. Star Wars was captured by that
    Hahahaha, ok...

    This movie is guarenteed to be 'just alright' at best.

    edit: I mean to say, I bet it's not going to be worth any hype. Batman 3 style.
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    It'll be a huge pile of shite, compared to the originals.

    Obviously.
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    omg Empire Strikes Back. Tightest sequel ever. Tightest movie ever.
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    Aliens, T2

    Star Wars has some strengths so incredible that nobody cares about its weaknesses
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    I've never made it the whole way through Alien, but Aliens is also unreal tight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    I've never made it the whole way through Alien
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    I even own it on DVD.
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    What's a DVD, grandad?
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    It's like a slave in that it can be owned, but unlike one in that it displays a movie on your television screen. A relic of a simpler past, my boy.
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    fwiw i would certainly be happy if they changed the saber cgi to get rid of the handlebars or whatever theyre called. theyre dumb but not limiting. but still dumb

    there is a possibility that they become less dumb in choreography. the bars are an idea worth exploring. i just dont see why anybody would think it's a good idea to change the saber in any way other than colors and better cgi (like sometimes looking like fire on the tips or something)
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    I'll admit I was skeptical, and then I watched the trailer and got excited.

    But still, Rilla is like 100% correct, this will be alright at best.

    Abrams is top notch, and I like what he has done with Star Trek. But if he does what he did with Star Trek and apply it to Star Wars, it doesn't work (transform it into something more modern, darker, less campy).

    Because what made the original 3 great and the latest 3 terrible was the camp, cornball lines and simplistic story lines were replaced by a cold, technological heart.

    The guy who should have made the new Star Wars was Kevin Smith.<br><br>
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    Crossguards are what they're being called and someone pointed out that they could act like vents to prevent the holder's hand from sliding up into them but if a blade cuts through the shell, it'll be stopped by the energy nubs.

    Still though:



    So tight.
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    THEY STILL DIDN'T EXPLAIN WHY OBI-WAN GOT VAPORIZED BY DARTH VADAR IN STAR WARS IV: A NEW HOPE.
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    I'm pretty bad at playing the "who should direct it" game. My go-tos are Cameron and Spielberg because they're the best. But for Star Wars, nobody feels right. That said, if anybody is right, I think it's Abrams. People sleep on how great Lost was before it got stupid. Most of the hand Abrams had in it involved creating an exciting world with interesting characters, which are probably the two most important aspects of Star Wars

    Nobody would remember Star Wars if it wasn't for Harrison Ford. Han Solo is the Byronic Hero for all ages. Luke was a marginally weak character, but still surprisingly strong, but Han was the guy who picked it up and brought it home

    Star Wars was awash in ridiculousness. Perhaps its secret was to not tip too far over the edge of absurdity. But c'mon, a midget green alien? A yarling furry called Chewy? A guy with a big stupid helmet whose name literally means dark father?

    Star Wars' strength comes from its grit, simplicity, mystery, some pretty great cinematography despite the unpolished nature, and Harrison Ford. If anybody can recapture this, it's got to be Abrams


    I think the "cold technological heart" is only the beginning of the problem of the prequels. They were the laziest big-budget films ever made. The extent of their creativity was two stationary cameras set on people sitting in front of a green screen.
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    TBH I'm kinda over Star Wars. I'm of an age where I remember the excitement over the originals; I can't remember which one, but either Star Wars or ESB was the first movie I saw in a theater.

    The series peaks at the "Luke, I am your father" duel and kinda goes downhill from there. Ford does make it exciting and fun. But the reason the movies appealed to me as a 7-9-12-year-old was that it was written for humans that age.

    As I got older, I realized how much of the story Lucas ripped off from Dune (orphaned genetic wonder with mystical powers on a desert planet, yadda yadda) and that annoyed me, and the prequels annoyed me even more.
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    If you like Abrams you should check out Fringe, it starts slow but is rocking hard by season 2.

    I don't even like Kevin Smith movies, but the guy has such a reverence for the story I think he would be true to what the story needs and not make it the Kevin Smith show. and the line about the guys working on the second Death Star being contract workers was great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baudib View Post
    THEY STILL DIDN'T EXPLAIN WHY OBI-WAN GOT VAPORIZED BY DARTH VADAR IN STAR WARS IV: A NEW HOPE.
    BUT NOT HIS CLOAK
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    Obi-Wan was crafty though. He leveled the Imperialists by subtly changing his name from Obi-Wan Kenobi to Ben Kenobi...
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    Quote Originally Posted by baudib View Post
    THEY STILL DIDN'T EXPLAIN WHY OBI-WAN GOT VAPORIZED BY DARTH VADAR IN STAR WARS IV: A NEW HOPE.
    Uh, yeah they did. Qui-Gon Ginn had discovered how to become a force ghost, and he came back after his death to lead Yoda to it as well. When Yoda sent Obi-Wan Kenobi to Tatooine to watch over Luke, he gave him what he needed to learn to do it himself. There's a scene that illustrates this in the film for Episode III after Luke and Leia's birth where Yoda tells Obi-Wan that he'll be training while hiding on Tatooine. Note that becoming a force ghost typically causes the physical body to disappear, though it didn't with Qui-Gon Ginn for atypical reasons.
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    wtf spoon is younger than me, yet he was paying attention to the plot? Star Wars to me is all lightsabres and spaceships, all pew pew, "use the force" and all that. The only bits of the plot that matter is Darth being Luke's Dad, and Alderon getting exploded into dust. The rest I barely remember.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    wtf spoon is younger than me, yet he was paying attention to the plot? Star Wars to me is all lightsabres and spaceships, all pew pew, "use the force" and all that. The only bits of the plot that matter is Darth being Luke's Dad, and Alderon getting exploded into dust. The rest I barely remember.
    Palpatine's rise to power is [supposed to be] the primary focus of the first three episodes. The reason a lot of thinking adults don't like the first three episodes is because this aspect of the plot, which is the main plot line to begin with, is glossed over in favor of omg lightsabers omg use the force.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baudib View Post
    If you like Abrams you should check out Fringe, it starts slow but is rocking hard by season 2.

    I don't even like Kevin Smith movies, but the guy has such a reverence for the story I think he would be true to what the story needs and not make it the Kevin Smith show. and the line about the guys working on the second Death Star being contract workers was great.

    and the show quickly cuts in own throat by the end of s4

    ?wut
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    Palpatine's rise to power is [supposed to be] the primary focus of the first three episodes. The reason a lot of thinking adults don't like the first three episodes is because this aspect of the plot, which is the main plot line to begin with, is glossed over in favor of omg lightsabers omg use the force.
    I can only watch Star Wars for nostalgia value. It's like watching Indian Jones. Awesome as a child, a bit crap as an adult but still a staple part of my childhood and as such I can enjoy watching it now. But I point blank refused to watch the recent Indian Jones film, and I've not been interested in any of the modern Star Wars films either. It's all about the brand now. It probably was in the 80's but I was too stupid to understand back then.
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    STARWARS IS MOVIES FOR KIDS STOP BEING LAMERS!

    bring out your inner child and stop being wet towels imo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I can only watch Star Wars for nostalgia value. It's like watching Indian Jones. Awesome as a child, a bit crap as an adult but still a staple part of my childhood and as such I can enjoy watching it now. But I point blank refused to watch the recent Indian Jones film, and I've not been interested in any of the modern Star Wars films either. It's all about the brand now. It probably was in the 80's but I was too stupid to understand back then.
    Knowing to some degree what type of person you are, I'm of the opinion that if you dug into the storyline that you would be a decent fan of Episodes 1-3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    Knowing to some degree what type of person you are, I'm of the opinion that if you dug into the storyline that you would be a decent fan of Episodes 1-3.
    I assume this is a sly insult and Episodes 1-3 are utter shite that only wankers could enjoy.
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    I remember taking my girlfriend at the time to the premiere of Episode 1, and then apologizing profusely after it was over because of how embarrassingly bad the movie was. So many of us in the theater were bored by the time the characters made their way to Tatooine. Episode #2 was even weaker than the first, but Episode #3 was decent.

    Adult Anakin was poorly cast imo. Samuel L. Jackson was wrong for his part, too. I doubt I'll go see this new one. The epic music is my favorite part of the trailer.

    Does anyone else think that lightsaber image (rilla's Post #30) is better suited for a Dark Souls game?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I assume this is a sly insult and Episodes 1-3 are utter shite that only wankers could enjoy.
    During the first three episodes, Palpatine rises from essentially nothing to having the ultimate position of power from nothing but his own cunning and skill. He's so ridiculously powerful that he's right under the Jedi the entire time, and they have no clue that he's about to wipe them all out. Palpatine is the strongest force-sensitive who exists (under Anakin fully matures) by such a degree of magnitude that it's astounding.

    Something to note that you might be able to appreciate: After Maul is killed in Episode I, Yoda notes that they don't know if he was the apprentice or the master (because of the Rule of Two, etc). This is yet another level of deception by the Sith because strictly speaking he was neither: Palpatine was still apprentice to Darth Plagueis at the time Maul was active as a member of the Sith. Palpatine had Maul trained with Plagueis' blessing with the idea that Maul would be expendable and his death could be used to deceive the Jedi if need be.
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    And a significant improvement to the first 3 episodes (be sure to check out the other vids):

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikes View Post
    and the show quickly cuts in own throat by the end of s4

    I just watched the end of S4 / start of S5 and I was worried it was going there.

    ***
    Season 1 is good by the standards of most shows S1. Sure, they are a bit wobbly on their feet, but that's common.

    Besides, S1 rocks if only for the hints they drop at Peter Bishop's back story. I kept commenting throughout the season that they should have made episodes about Peter's "dark" past, 'cause it sounded awesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    During the first three episodes, Palpatine rises from essentially nothing to having the ultimate position of power from nothing but his own cunning and skill. He's so ridiculously powerful that he's right under the Jedi the entire time, and they have no clue that he's about to wipe them all out. Palpatine is the strongest force-sensitive who exists (under Anakin fully matures) by such a degree of magnitude that it's astounding.

    Something to note that you might be able to appreciate: After Maul is killed in Episode I, Yoda notes that they don't know if he was the apprentice or the master (because of the Rule of Two, etc). This is yet another level of deception by the Sith because strictly speaking he was neither: Palpatine was still apprentice to Darth Plagueis at the time Maul was active as a member of the Sith. Palpatine had Maul trained with Plagueis' blessing with the idea that Maul would be expendable and his death could be used to deceive the Jedi if need be.
    But how good are the lightsabre fights? And am I still ten?
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    As it happens, I was a projectionist at a cinema at the time Revenge of the Sith was showing. I ran a private showing for my friends (the night before official release, no less), as I often did for popular releases. I can't really remember much about it, other than being somewhat underwhelmed. It just didn't interest me like it did when I was a child.
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    It's also worth noting that the presentation of the fourth episode in the original film was geared towards making it its own story because Lucas didn't know if he'd be able to make any of the others. He had to choose one part of the story he had written (nine main episodes + tons of other notes) to make into a film, and that's the episode that worked the best as its own individual story. When it became so popular, naturally he continued with episodes five and six, though he eliminated tons of elements of those two episodes which built up the plot for the final three because his plan was originally to only make three films.

    I'm probably really throwing my trolling post ratio out of whack with this shit and showing how much of a Star Wars nerd I am.
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    ^^LOL. I wish to watch this movie more than any other movie

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    Yeah don't get too hyped or you'll just be disappointed. I'm gonna put kiddy-fun-nostalgia glasses on and then it should be alright. I assume they learned from all the feedback on the prequels. The lightsaber was a big facepalm because it was clearly intended to be a 'wow' moment but okays. I hope they realize they have to keep it light and fun, that's what the first three were afterall.

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