You're like the kid at school who's telling other kids to stop wearing their baseball caps backwards because he invented that.
06-20-2019 06:05 PM
#8026
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You're like the kid at school who's telling other kids to stop wearing their baseball caps backwards because he invented that. | |
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06-20-2019 06:23 PM
#8027
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I was the kid who told those kids they look like a twat and they should wear it properly so the sun provides shade for your eyes, the purpose of the baseball cap. | |
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06-20-2019 06:47 PM
#8028
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So Ong, are you looking forward to the British version of Captain Retard becoming PM and doing a no deal Brexit? | |
06-20-2019 11:44 PM
#8029
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There are two things certain in life: | |
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06-28-2019 08:49 AM
#8030
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He will become PM but he will not deliver a no-deal Brexit - not necessarily because he doesn't want to - but simply because it's not possible to do with the current formation of government. The man himself has described the chances of leaving without a deal as "a million to one". |
Last edited by dwarfman3; 06-28-2019 at 08:59 AM. | |
06-28-2019 09:43 AM
#8031
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You think FTR is toxic? | |
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06-28-2019 10:45 AM
#8032
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06-28-2019 11:25 AM
#8033
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Lol, FTR is hardly toxic, at least not this forum, and not since banana left. | |
06-28-2019 01:53 PM
#8034
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Yang is complaining that his mic was being cut off. Anyone know if there's any truth to this? | |
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06-28-2019 02:30 PM
#8035
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I missed that post from poop. I'm no fan of Boris. I'd prefer him to Jeremy James Blunt though, but it's marginal. | |
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06-28-2019 02:32 PM
#8036
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06-28-2019 02:34 PM
#8037
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06-28-2019 02:45 PM
#8038
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06-28-2019 02:47 PM
#8039
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06-28-2019 02:54 PM
#8040
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06-28-2019 03:00 PM
#8041
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09-06-2019 05:33 AM
#8042
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09-07-2019 08:15 PM
#8043
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A random discussion on a not-so-random corner of the internet | |
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11-11-2019 09:15 AM
#8044
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RIP remain. | |
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11-12-2019 10:47 PM
#8045
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11-13-2019 05:38 AM
#8046
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Farage happened. He won't challenge the Tories in the seats they currently hold so as to not split the leave vote. It's really bad news for remain. Really bad. You won't see either Labour or the Libs do the same, those two parties will split the remain vote, and Labour voters who voted to leave will either stay at home, spoil their ballot or vote Brexit Party. | |
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11-13-2019 07:42 AM
#8047
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11-13-2019 08:18 AM
#8048
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Huh? I've seen no reports suggesting that either Labour or Libs are not standing in certain seats to avoid splitting the remain vote. As best I'm aware, both parties are fielding a full team of candidates. If you know something I don't, please link me. | |
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11-13-2019 11:57 AM
#8049
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It's worth me pointing out that while I was arguing against ong's position on this a few months ago, my position is slightly leaning in his favor these days. | |
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11-13-2019 12:46 PM
#8050
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Good post mojo. Whether you're right about it being a stunt and the lack of political will to carry it through, idk. But it has got to the point where it's a matter of democratic integrity, rather than a simple in/out debate, Rejecting the will of the people, after us being given a say, would be far more dangerous than leaving. This is why I find it alarming that so many remainers are so intent on overturning the decision. It's like they're oblivious to the danger such an outcome poses. | |
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11-13-2019 12:58 PM
#8051
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Well basically the election is a referendum on Brexit. So if the people don't vote in a Tory majority or the Tories can't form a coalition, then the will of the people will have apparently changed. And I'd say the current will of the people takes precedence over the will of the people a few years ago. | |
11-13-2019 01:00 PM
#8052
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It's my understanding that politicians on both sides of the argument agreed to put it to a vote. If that's wrong, then correct me. | |
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11-13-2019 01:01 PM
#8053
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Here's the first one. More to come I assume. | |
Last edited by Poopadoop; 11-13-2019 at 01:06 PM. | |
11-13-2019 01:04 PM
#8054
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Individual politicans are meant to represent their constituencies. So if you're an MP from a Remain riding, voting against shitty (and they were shitty, even Ong can see that) Brexit deals is wholly appropriate imo. If there had been a good deal on offer then you might have a point. | |
11-13-2019 01:11 PM
#8055
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The most compelling evidence of how shitty the negotiated deals on Brexit were was the fact that enough Tory MPs bailed on their own party to keep the deals from going through, and that this happened multiple times. | |
11-13-2019 01:17 PM
#8056
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Geez, what do you know? The libruls can strategize too! | |
11-13-2019 01:20 PM
#8057
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It shouldn't be a "referendum" on Brexit. Elections are about much, much more than one single issue. This is one reason this should have been dealt with by now. | |
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11-13-2019 01:23 PM
#8058
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11-13-2019 01:25 PM
#8059
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11-13-2019 01:30 PM
#8060
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11-13-2019 01:32 PM
#8061
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What Remainer is saying we can change our minds on Brexit, but Scotland isn't allowed to change its mind? | |
11-13-2019 01:34 PM
#8062
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11-13-2019 01:34 PM
#8063
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Sitting on their hands and waiting for their opposition to produce a plan they agree with is just a white mutiny in action. | |
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11-13-2019 01:38 PM
#8064
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Well no, it's not their job to come up with a plan that their consituencies didn't ask for. It's the job of the government. And those plans were shit, and they were rightly rejected. That's like saying Ds should come up with a plan to build the Wall. | |
11-13-2019 01:41 PM
#8065
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11-13-2019 01:52 PM
#8066
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Regarding the "federal superstate" status of the EU... | |
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11-13-2019 04:10 PM
#8067
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I'm confused. Who are you talking about? I'm talking about the politicians who represent the constituents, and doesn't that make those politicians "the gov't?" | |
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11-13-2019 04:35 PM
#8068
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Well, you have a different view of how government should work, and that's fine. I even agree with you to some extent. But how it works in a parliamentary democracy is there's a ruling party/coalition and the opposition. The ruling party for the most part comes up with the plans for fulfilling their own agenda. The opposition provides critique and usually votes against the ruling party's plans, but the ruling party pushes their plan through because they have a majority of the votes in the house of commons (equivalent to congress, but here there's no midterms and so it's rare for a ruling party/coalition to lose it's house majority -also, fwiw our equivalent of a 'senate' is the house of lords which is basically just a bunch of old geezers who got appointed not elected, and who just rubber stamp everything, so they're kind of useless really). | |
Last edited by Poopadoop; 11-13-2019 at 04:37 PM. | |
11-13-2019 05:13 PM
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Are you happy that this is how government works in our country? I'm not. The referendum for the EU was an example of how I prefer government to work... put ideas to the people and let them decide. To then reject that will is worse than outright dictatorship. It's pretending we're democratic when we're not. I'd rather just know we're in a dictatorship. | |
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11-13-2019 05:54 PM
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11-13-2019 06:03 PM
#8071
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You make many good points. I'm extremely naive about politics. | |
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11-13-2019 06:13 PM
#8072
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11-13-2019 06:19 PM
#8073
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11-13-2019 06:26 PM
#8074
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I mean who's to say that if a decent proposal on Brexit had been offered, some of the opposition wouldn't have gone with it. It's impossible to say. But like I said, the fact the ruling Tories couldn't push any of their own Brexit plans through suggests those plans must have been pretty awful. So, it's back to the drawing board. Again. | |
11-13-2019 07:45 PM
#8075
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I guess we have different ideas what it means to be "fucked". | |
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11-14-2019 11:30 AM
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11-14-2019 12:17 PM
#8077
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Jesus, I'm mocking poop's assertion that Brexit will fuck us. | |
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11-14-2019 12:24 PM
#8078
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I'll go further for your benefit, dwarfman. I think being a member of the EU has negative economic consequences. It hands power over to a body whose priority is not the people of the UK. If we want to trade with the USA, or China, or anyone outside the EU, we have to do so under EU terms. We are not economically sovereign. | |
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11-14-2019 01:09 PM
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11-14-2019 01:43 PM
#8080
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As an American, one reason I'd like to see you remain is that it is not a step away from a unified world gov't. | |
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11-14-2019 05:42 PM
#8081
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Well yeah. But by the definition of "fucked" you're using, we were also fucked after the financial crash, which might I remind you happened while we were a member of the EU. That wasn't because we were in the EU though, it happened because of bankers mismanaging the economy. I don't blame the EU for the incompetence of others. You shouldn't blame Brexit for us being fucked if it's due to government's incompetence, even if it would be convenient to do so. | |
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11-20-2019 10:50 PM
#8082
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1: Dwarfman is British. | |
11-21-2019 08:19 AM
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11-21-2019 08:28 AM
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11-21-2019 09:12 AM
#8085
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But given how close the vote was, why are you so against another, updated vote? | |
11-21-2019 09:20 AM
#8086
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Serious question: It's been three years since the referendum. Should the votes of people who died since then still count? (over 65s voted 60/40 leave - that's a decisive majority by the way). What about people who since have turned 18? Should they now be given a say in the future of the country over someone who's already dead? | |
11-21-2019 09:52 AM
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the QQ vs AK analogy is unworkably flawed. As far as the election goes we don't know which side had QQ and which side had AK, or if those were even the hands at play. Certainly most people thought it was more like remain with an over pair and leave with a suited connector. Considering we only have the educated forecasts from pre-vote and an N of 1, it's pretty hard to argue that it wasn't close. | |
11-21-2019 10:29 AM
#8088
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Firstly, thanks for clarifying to Ong that I am indeed British |
11-21-2019 10:35 AM
#8089
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The feeling was that Remain was even stronger than that - maybe I'm in a bubble because I live in London, which is the most pro-remain part of the country, but even on the day of the vote it was just inconceivable that Remain would lose. |
11-21-2019 10:42 AM
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11-21-2019 11:01 AM
#8091
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Hey poop. | |
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11-21-2019 11:13 AM
#8092
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@boost | |
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11-21-2019 11:14 AM
#8093
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@dwarf | |
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11-21-2019 11:19 AM
#8094
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Funny how we'll being having our second general election since the referendum, but Ong thinks another referendum would be a crime against democracy. Apparently we're only allowed repeated votes on certain things in a democracy. | |
11-21-2019 11:21 AM
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We haven't left the EU yet poop. We don't vote for something, then have another vote before we've actioned the last vote. Again, that isn't how democracy should ever work. It would render the entire process pointless. | |
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11-21-2019 11:24 AM
#8096
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*sigh* | |
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11-21-2019 11:24 AM
#8097
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By the way, a referendum where majority wins would mean that a proven, indisputable result of 25, 000,000 vs 24,999,999 is "decisive", | |
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11-21-2019 11:28 AM
#8098
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Many have made excellent points on both sides of this in the recent posts, but I don't think this one's gotten the credit it deserves. | |
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11-21-2019 11:29 AM
#8099
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You're using your own definitions again. And you're still going back to this 1.4 million number because it makes a good impression on you because it's a large number. But that's not how percentages work, see. | |
11-21-2019 11:33 AM
#8100
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