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  1. #3526
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    He said "I could see Trump doing this."

    I think the reason so many people have this opinion is what I earlier laid out in the persuasion tactics of his opponents.
    Ah gotcha.

    He apparently does already have an 'enemies list' however.
  2. #3527
    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyS1985 View Post
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Cialdini

    Had to look that one up, I got some reading to do now.
    He wrote the most authoritative book in the topic of persuasion: Influence: Science and Practice. I haven't read his new book yet, but it's supposedly the best: Presuasion.

    Anywho, he hasn't admitted that to working for Clinton's campaign, but the signs are there. One of the most prominent figures of persuasion, Scott Adams, has claimed many times Cialdini worked for the campaign and he laid out reasons he can tell. Cialdini and Adams have a professional relationship, and Cialdini never denied any of it. I briefly discussed this earlier. Clinton and coordinated media used Cialdini-esque messaging tactics during the times Cialdini was not on book tour.
  3. #3528
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Ah gotcha.

    He apparently does already have an 'enemies list' however.
    In his books he discusses how important he thinks it is to never let people who attack you get away with it. We've seen this in action for years from Trump. Like before the campaign, whenever he got attacked on twitter or in the media, he countered even harder. During the campaign he did it a lot at first but less so later, probably because voters don't like it.

    The strategy seems to have merit. He killed many different narratives against him with this tactic.
  4. #3529
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Soon you'll glare into the depths of Hell with no fear
    I like how the person who edited those pictures took the PS eraser to Bill Clinton, and about halfway through his suit, was like "Ah, fuck it, no one will notice at this point."
  5. #3530
    Quote Originally Posted by surviva316 View Post
    I like how the person who edited those pictures took the PS eraser to Bill Clinton, and about halfway through his suit, was like "Ah, fuck it, no one will notice at this point."
  6. #3531
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    During the campaign he did it a lot at first but less so later, probably because voters don't like it.
    Also because they changed his password.


    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    The strategy seems to have merit. He killed many different narratives against him with this tactic.
    That's one interpretation. Another is that people just got bored of trolling him. It's just too easy to get under his skin.
  7. #3532
    Reminds me of a kid in school everyone would tease just because he completely overreacted to it. It's like he never figured out the reason people teased him was to see him overreact.
  8. #3533
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    I haven't read his new book yet, but it's supposedly the best: Presuasion.
    Maybe that's just what he's convinced you to think.
  9. #3534
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Also because they changed his password.




    That's one interpretation. Another is that people just got bored of trolling him. It's just too easy to get under his skin.
    His actions to the Trump University Judge Curiel stuff was just too good. His own party thought he did that one wrong, and rumor is in private Trump was calling them idiots. I think Trump was right. The media tried to paint Trump as racist because of it, but one thing resulted from that situation: the Trump University attacks were deader than a door nail.
  10. #3535
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Maybe that's just what he's convinced you to think.
    Yep. A great thing about studying persuasion is that you see it even when it's targeted at you.
  11. #3536
    Quote Originally Posted by surviva316 View Post
    I like how the person who edited those pictures took the PS eraser to Bill Clinton, and about halfway through his suit, was like "Ah, fuck it, no one will notice at this point."
    I just noticed that now. Very funny.

    Memes are in high demand. Ain't nobody got time to polish them up.
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    If you're unfamiliar with Pepe (Rilla's av), look it up

  13. #3538
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Reminds me of a kid in school everyone would tease just because he completely overreacted to it. It's like he never figured out the reason people teased him was to see him overreact.
    As an adult with Autism who is oftentimes incompetent in social interactions (probably including this forum although I try not to be), it took me until, I don't know, my late 20's (maybe even 30's, I'm 31 now) that my reaction to the teasing/bullying, was actually their reward and what they wanted in the first place.

    To be fair, even when you try to ignore or just "blow off" or not respond to someones bullying, this kid was really Trump like, kid just spit in my god damn hair to make sure I couldn't ignore him any further. At that point I just ran off crying (I was 13 or so).

    Sorry, didn't mean to thread derail.
  14. #3539
    Y'all got look at the bright side. This sets up President (Empress) Ivanka for 2024

  15. #3540
    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyS1985 View Post
    As an adult with Autism who is oftentimes incompetent in social interactions (probably including this forum although I try not to be), it took me until, I don't know, my late 20's (maybe even 30's, I'm 31 now) that my reaction to the teasing/bullying, was actually their reward and what they wanted in the first place.

    To be fair, even when you try to ignore or just "blow off" or not respond to someones bullying, this kid was really Trump like, kid just spit in my god damn hair to make sure I couldn't ignore him any further. At that point I just ran off crying (I was 13 or so).

    Sorry, didn't mean to thread derail.
    Yea, well sorry if I opened an old wound there. And I don't think you're being incompetent on this forum. What I meant was Trump is like someone who doesn't get it socially, though it's more likely because he's overly sensitive to criticism than that he doesn't understand that he's feeding the trolls by responding to them.
  16. #3541
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    I'm not interested in gloating
    This is starting to sound slightly disingenuous.

    p.s. she is fucking hot though.
  17. #3542
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    This is starting to sound slightly disingenuous.

    p.s. she is fucking hot though.
    Gloating would be something like "I was right, y'all normans didn't listen, suck it." I'm not interested in doing that. Besides, I was only half right, which means I was half wrong. Trump won by a much smaller margin than I said he would.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JKDS View Post
    Am I the only one excited about all the new state laws? I thought they were cool
    Given your summary, they sound good, except for the minimum wage.

    Did I tell you about one of my homeboys? He's an accountant in Seattle for a company that owns a bunch of rental units. The company has a policy to raise rents automatically whenever the minimum wage increases. Go figure.
  20. #3545
    Quote Originally Posted by JKDS View Post
    Am I the only one excited about all the new state laws? I thought they were cool
    Sounds good. Part of my mammoth posts was meant to laud all the other things that happen on election days beside determining the POTUS. We do have quite a bit of power on election day, many people just can't be fucked to do the necessary engagement before going to the voting booth (which, in the IT age, is like 3-5 hours worth of work that you can spread out over a month if you feel like it).

    My own state doesn't include propositions on the general election ballot, but some of the changes that happened that way around the country are cool. There are definitely some cool ones that got shot down too, but progress doesn't always happen all in one day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Now you just have to replace it with American smugness

    Fucking right I do
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  23. #3548
    Quote Originally Posted by rong View Post
    Watching this was fun:
    I think I'll pass.
  24. #3549
    Quote Originally Posted by rong View Post
    Watching this was fun:
    Jon Oliver is the best Trump ranter on the planet.
  25. #3550
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Jon Oliver is the best Trump ranter on the planet.
    If true, that makes one thing he's good at.

    Well, two. He's also good at being a twat.
  26. #3551
    Don't worry I'm sure he'll be deported soon.
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  28. #3553
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    I think the Canadian Government is far better ran than ours will be under Trump. You certainly don't see people crashing the immigration sites to Trump's new allies like Dutuerte's Phillipines, and Putin's Russia. There's at least some kind of reason for that.
  29. #3554
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Don't worry I'm sure he'll be deported soon.
    That assumes Britland would take him back.

    Probably just a bunch of patriots booking flights for Lena Dunham and Amy Schumer.
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    Lol that your president said "I'm very highly educated. I know words, I have the best words." I mean just lol. That's the guy you picked to run your country.
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  31. #3556
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    That assumes Britland would take him back.
    You mean because he makes fun of Trump they'd refuse him? On those grounds, about the half the UK would have to leave.



    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Probably just a bunch of patriots booking flights for Lena Dunham and Amy Schumer.
    Better hurry up before Canada builds a wall and makes you pay for it.
  32. #3557
    Quote Originally Posted by rong View Post
    Lol that your president said "I'm very highly educated. I know words, I have the best words." I mean just lol. That's the guy you picked to run your country.
    I supported the smartest motherfucker in the entire field, both sides. But even he lost to Trump, maybe because Trump knew that, at that time in the campaign, he was speaking to simple folk.
  33. #3558
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Better hurry up before Canada builds a wall and makes you pay for it.
    I'd be willing to help them build a wall around Quebec.
  34. #3559
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    I'd be willing to help them build a wall around Quebec.
    You sure?

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  35. #3560
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    I must admit, I felt very stupid the moment I saw that pic.


    But then my brain kicked in and I remembered it's not like this American could do anything in French Canada. They don't even like Canadian Canada.
  36. #3561
    In Montreal everyone speaks both English and French. You'd be ok.

    I was there once and it was just a stunning parade of sexy women. I mean one after another after another.
  37. #3562
    Quote Originally Posted by surviva316 View Post
    Everyone (every single person) is "anti-establishment." There isn't a single person who thinks everything the government does, the media says and the academics teach is honkey dorey. But you can't shut your ears to every politician, reporter and economist/military officer/what-have-you or else you're ignoring every single person who is qualified to inform you.

    The problem is in specificity. If you're not nailing down *what about* those things you disdain, which you want to remove and how you are going to solve what's left, then you're bound to throw the baby out with the bath water.

    And that's what happened here. You hate CNN? Great, me too. But there was only one major publication in the entire country that endorsed Trump, and it was National Enquirer. This isn't a problem with "mainstream media"; it's a problem with every single fucking reporter on the face of the planet, at which point we've gone beyond hating the establishment and have entered The Matrix level of reality doubting.

    I could go down the list with each of the aspects of "the establishment" the same way, but the list would be needlessly exhaustive.

    The point is that I'm not some establishment bot by any-fucking-stretch of the imagination and I'm absolutely a skeptic. But at a certain point, it gets to be such a scattershot that it's like saying, "Fuck The Man," and going down the street and punching literally every person with a Y chromosome in the dick. Um, that's not what we meant by "The Man."
    Let me just clarify that I don't support Trump, nor do I live in the USA.

    I agree with what you say mostly. It's lazy to just rail against the 'establishment' but leave out any specifics or possible solutions. However Trump not being a career politician is a very important part of the reason he won imo.
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    Trump needs to stop tweeting about the protesters and condemn the surge in hate crimes over the last day. That would be a good step towards unifying the divide and easing some of the protest backlash.
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  39. #3564
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    In Montreal everyone speaks both English and French. You'd be ok.

    I was there once and it was just a stunning parade of sexy women. I mean one after another after another.
    Yeah but they speak English in a stupid Canadian-French accent. I'd rather they spoke Arabic to be honest.
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  40. #3565
    All those people who are protesting against Trump are fucking idiots.

    Either protest against your means of democracy, or go fucking home. They just look like sore losers who don't respect democracy.

    It's like these people have no idea who Hillary Clinton really is.
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  41. #3566
    I agree protesting is kinda dumb at this point. You lost, deal with it.

    What's sad to me is that his crying unfair tweet about the protesters got more likes and retweets than both the one about meeting Obama and the one about wishing the marine corps happy birthday.
  42. #3567
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Yeah but they speak English in a stupid Canadian-French accent. I'd rather they spoke Arabic to be honest.
    You have a strange set of priorities if you judge women's attractiveness by how close their accent is to yours.
  43. #3568
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    I must admit, I felt very stupid the moment I saw that pic.


    But then my brain kicked in and I remembered it's not like this American could do anything in French Canada. They don't even like Canadian Canada.
    I found some very hot women in Amsterdam's Red Light district. Based on my experiences with them, they had plow experience and were very strong on plow.
  44. #3569
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    All those people who are protesting against Trump are fucking idiots.

    Either protest against your means of democracy, or go fucking home. They just look like sore losers who don't respect democracy.

    It's like these people have no idea who Hillary Clinton really is.
    Last time Bush won in 2000, and as history has told us, Bush was in fact a corrupt and lousy President, the protesters egged the Presidential limousine upon him driving into Washington DC on inauguration day.

    I will be utterly shocked if the Trump administration won't somehow eek out more corruption in their time than Nixon, and Bush.
  45. #3570
    Quote Originally Posted by bigred View Post
    Trump needs to stop tweeting about the protesters and condemn the surge in hate crimes over the last day. That would be a good step towards unifying the divide and easing some of the protest backlash.
    OMG, I just realized that the responsible thing for me to do would be to follow Trump on Twitter. Because that's now the president's Twitter account. And he uses it a lot. And here-on-out, it will have a very real affect on my life.

    Between this and reading his website yesterday and realizing that he actually promises some of the craziest of shit that I'd assumed was just campaign trail soundbites ... this just keeps getting worse.
  46. #3571
    ... and by the way, his last Tweet took back his original sentiment and is the more presidential thing to say.
  47. #3572
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    You have a strange set of priorities if you judge women's attractiveness by how close their accent is to yours.
    lol wut? My accent isn't remotely Arabic.

    I have strange taste in women, to be honest. These fine women of Montreal, I'll bet they're too glam for my liking.
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  48. #3573
    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyS1985 View Post
    Last time Bush won in 2000, and as history has told us, Bush was in fact a corrupt and lousy President, the protesters egged the Presidential limousine upon him driving into Washington DC on inauguration day.

    I will be utterly shocked if the Trump administration won't somehow eek out more corruption in their time than Nixon, and Bush.
    I'll be utterly shocked if he's allowed to run the country like he wants to.

    Much is made about his ego. Well, if his ego is as big as people seem to think, he'll be a great president, because that's the legacy he'll want to leave. He'll want to be remembered for being great.
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  49. #3574
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Much is made about his ego. Well, if his ego is as big as people seem to think, he'll be a great president, because that's the legacy he'll want to leave. He'll want to be remembered for being great.
    Lol, if your handle on logic weren't such consistent shit in this thread, I'd be convinced you were being sarcastic here.
  50. #3575
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    lol wut? My accent isn't remotely Arabic.

    I have strange taste in women, to be honest. These fine women of Montreal, I'll bet they're too glam for my liking.

    Speaking Arabic != speaking English with a different accent.

    Also, 'favor', 'color', 'CON-tro-ver-sy'. Seeing red yet?
  51. #3576
    Quote Originally Posted by surviva316 View Post
    ... and by the way, his last Tweet took back his original sentiment and is the more presidential thing to say.
    He didn't take it back so much as pretended he never said it (unless I missed something). Which for him is about as good as we can expect I suppose.
  52. #3577
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    He didn't take it back so much as pretended he never said it.
    Well, technically what I said was "he took back the sentiment," which is such a semantically meaningless phrase that it can't really be wrong :P
  53. #3578
    Quote Originally Posted by surviva316 View Post
    Well, technically what I said was "he took back the sentiment," which is such a semantically meaningless phrase that it can't really be wrong :P
    Ah right. I misread you, sorry.

    It's funny though because it's so easy to imagine his staff saying to him 'ok Donald you can have your twitter back now' after the election, and then the next day 'ok Donald, we've changed your password again and only we get to twitter for you until you learn to play nice'.
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    Wuf,

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  55. #3580
    Quote Originally Posted by surviva316 View Post
    Lol, if your handle on logic weren't such consistent shit in this thread, I'd be convinced you were being sarcastic here.
    I take no offence from this, considering it comes from a Clinton supporter. I find it somewhat ironic.
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  56. #3581
    Quote Originally Posted by surviva316 View Post
    Lol, if your handle on logic weren't such consistent shit in this thread, I'd be convinced you were being sarcastic here.
    I mean honestly, this thread is 95% Trump bashing, and it's like anyone who doesn't think he's the worst human being on the planet is stupid. Even wuf has been accused of racism, purely for agreeing with Trump's immigration policy.

    If trying to see good in people is stupid logic, well what can I say? I see more good in Trump than I do Clinton. I see in Trump someone who *might* actually want to make America once again a respected and successful nation. In Clinton, I see someone who wishes to maintain the status quo regarding USA's foreign policy, someone who really does not give a shit about the rest of the world. People outside of America are sick and fucking tired of America's aggressive and arrogant foregin policy. Clinton certainly would not have changed that.

    Maybe I'm wrong about Trump, I understand why people are cautious. But I'm not wrong about Clinton. The world just dodged a bullet.
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  57. #3582
    Slagging off protests kind of defeats the point of what protests are about. It doesn't matter if you agree with them or not it's kind of important they can do it.

    That being said I do find the "not my president" signs and all that funny, do people not realise how democracy works? I don't think I've ever voted for the winning result in an election therefore I can just dismiss everything since I've turned 18.
  58. #3583
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Much is made about his ego. Well, if his ego is as big as people seem to think, he'll be a great president, because that's the legacy he'll want to leave. He'll want to be remembered for being great.
    Can you explain to me which president this doesn't apply to?
  59. #3584
    Quote Originally Posted by ImSavy View Post
    Can you explain to me which president this doesn't apply to?
    The career politicians, the ones who are more interested in money and power, such as Bush, what with his business links with Saudi oil barons, such as the Bin Ladens.

    Bush really didn't give a fuck that the entire world thought he was stupid and incompetent. He doesn't have an ego like Trump, he just did what he was told and so long as he's making money, sweet.

    Obama doesn't have an ego to match Trump either, Obama doesn't give a fuck that his legacy will be an awful healthcare system. He's set up for life now, thanks to his position as president. He'll be earning as much as Clinton does for after-dinner speeches at global banks.

    Trump is already very wealthy, it's not like he needs this job to be rich. He's not a career politician. He wants this job so he can make America great again, which makes him respected around the world. Whether he is successful or not is another matter.

    That's the difference for me. Like I say, I could be wrong about Trump. But it seems to me that he needs to be successful if he's not to leave his position as a broken man who is ridiculed the world over. He cares about that more than the others, because I believe he is an egomaniac. I think the others were puppets.
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  60. #3585
    Slagging off protests kind of defeats the point of what protests are about. It doesn't matter if you agree with them or not it's kind of important they can do it.
    Slagging off protests is a form of protest. Stop trying to stop me from protesting.

    I'm not saying they can't do it, just that they are stupid for doing so.
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  61. #3586
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I mean honestly, this thread is 95% Trump bashing ...
    That's quite a rant. I said that asserting that someone being self-conscious and egotistical necessarily means they'll be good at what they do is shit logic. You were talking about Trump, but you could have been talking about Justin Trudeau, Jerry Jones, or Mrs Doubtfire and it would have been an equally absurd statement.

    It's absurd enough I would have assumed sarcasm from most people, but it's somewhat in line with other things you've said so I assumed you were sincerely trying to make that argument. The caustic twist to the post almost definitely didn't add anything to my point, but I thought it fit the surviva/ong song and dance.
  62. #3587
    I said that asserting that someone being self-conscious and egotistical necessarily means they'll be good at what they do is shit logic.
    Ok you have a point here, only I didn't mean to imply that he would be good (hence me saying a few times I might be wrong about him), just that he'll want to be good, that he'll do more to ensure it happens than someone who doesn't give a fuck about the legacy they leave.

    I think he cares more about his legacy than other presidents of my time. Hopefully that's more clear.
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  63. #3588
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I didn't mean to imply that he would be good
    Well, you didn't imply anything, you outright said, "if his ego is as big as people seem to think, he'll be a great president."

    In other words, the only condition necessary for him to be a great president is for his ego to be big.

    But whatever, if that's not what you meant, I don't need to draw the conversation out. Just wanted to set the record straight that I didn't put words in your mouth.
  64. #3589
    No that's fair enough, I'll grant that it's sloppy language on my part.

    In other words, the only condition necessary for him to be a great president is for his ego to be big.
    Obviously this is stupid logic. Ego only creates the desire, it doesn't create the ability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Ego only creates the desire, it doesn't create the ability.
    Fwiw, it also depends on what drives his ego. He might care greatly about being a great president, or he might care greatly about how much money he has, or how attractive his wife is. We don't know what makes him feel good about himself.
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    Trump, Brexit, Dueterte, Colombia's vote for peace, whatever else I'm not aware of - what gives? I've been looking around for an explanation. (if you only read one, the first one is probably the best)

    Anthropologist right after Trump secured the nom

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    Guy on Quora

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    This back and forth on a reddit sub, the post before this one read

    "The (likely false) promise of jobs and a sense of economic security. All these people saying "the freedom to be racist" need to go back and fucking read that link or liberals will continue to lose horribly in important contests."

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    This commentary

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/commenta...election-2016/

    And this one

    https://theintercept.com/2016/11/09/...son-of-brexit/

    I think they're all close to the central issue with the Dems and Hillary dropping the ball so hard. Oh and the pollsters, and the betting markets, and the statisticians, and the media, and pretty much everyone that wasn't trying to Make America Great Again.

    When your bubble pops as hard as it did Tuesday night, you assess the debris, not quickly blow up another and hop in. NPR still hasn't learned its lesson. It's still trying to paint Hillary supports as righteous and Trump supporters as racist and what not. This morning they said that Trump supporters prayed in demonstrations, while Hillary supporters protested in demonstration.

    It all really crystallizes a lot that I've been hearing from NPR for the past year+. I remember when they were obviously supporting Hillary during the Bernie run, doing things like introducing bernie's comment in an interview where he uh's and um's and then cutting to Hillary's pseudo-response during an upswell of soaring rhetoric during a rally. Whatever, that's all fine and good, I'd think, but I really wish they'd just all admit once in a while that they're all Hillary supporters.

    Or in other instances when NPR would constantly talk about racial divides in America and then cut to Shanker Vidantham (wrong spelling) with new discoveries in social science, Shanker? "Oh yes, Steve, what we've discovered is that your prejudice against women/other races/other religions is unconscious and invisible to you always. The only thing there is for you to do is to always work to make amends for the original sins of racism and sexism and whatever else research discovers tomorrow."

    It does seem like there's a sense on the left that you tow-the-line lest you become otherized and demonized. And why would you want to be otherized from the side that gets Global Warming? The side that sympathizes with those out of power? The side that cares for the world in 10 generations? The side with the open mind? Especially when the others want to drill-baby-drill, cling to their guns and bibles, and forget the world beyond the horizon?


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    I didn't see Trump's support because I didn't look. I trusted clever media to see the world for me and bring it to me as it actually was. And they failed, so utterly and completely, that I see that I was trapped in just like those republicans with their fox news during the last two presidential elections. Sad!
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    I will say this for Trump. No one jukes him, it seems. You can't possibly take him lightly and it's hard to know what he'll do and how to use it to your advantage.
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    The best thing Trump had going for him was Clinton, and vice-versa. Anyone else would have crushed either of them imo.

    Trump had the right message but was the wrong person to deliver it. A billionaire who cares about the little guy? Get real. A grown man who can't inhibit himself from saying blatantly stupid things? He wants to be president? Fuck off.

    Clinton's message was plain and simple: 'Not him, he's awful'. It may have been true, but if that's the best you can do, you probably ain't gonna win. People want a positive message just as much if not more than they want a positive messenger. Clinton was neither.

    The only reason she didn't get completely run over was because Trump kept shooting himself in the foot. Luckily for him he did it so many times people just got desensitized to it, so it no longer mattered when he said something retarded. Because you expected him to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by surviva316 View Post
    Between this and reading his website yesterday and realizing that he actually promises some of the craziest of shit that I'd assumed was just campaign trail soundbites ... this just keeps getting worse.
    Like what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigred View Post
    I tried warning some Trump supporters about this. Cruz was the *true* anti-establishment candidate. His team would have been made up almost entirely of people who gave the corruption of the government a big middle finger.

    Having said that, I don't consider this alarming. Trump's claim that he is not beholden to anybody is still very true, and the policy points he made on lobby reform were that he wanted to change the law. Because of the way the law is today, virtually everybody would would be able to benefit Trump in the transition has lobbyist background.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    A billionaire who cares about the little guy? Get real.
    It may seem counter-intuitive, but there is evidence of this actually being a thing throughout history. It tends to take a very powerful person whose power does not arise from political ties for the little guy to get an advocate at the top.
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    Ong's point has merit. If Trump's brand is intertwined with America's brand, the argument can be reasonably made that it means he would have a greater incentive to do better for America.

    There were times when his brand might not have been intertwined with America's, but I don't think right now is one of them. If America is not a noticeably better place by 2020, he will lose reelection and be considered a joke for the rest of his children's lives.

    Contrast this to Obama, who will be considered a victor forever due to being the first black President. Trump is what we want in the White House, a President who has little choice but to perform lest he be a failure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Because of the way the law is today, virtually everybody would would be able to benefit Trump in the transition has lobbyist background.
    Maybe I'm ignorant, but how does being a lobbyist qualify you to set up a government department? Seems to me it should disqualify you if anything.

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