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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith View Post
    The same thing could be said about Nicola Sturgeon as leader of the SNP. By agreeing to the election she has allowed the Tories to wrap themselves in the unionist flag and put a clause in their manifesto saying that they will block any Scottish independence calls for the life of the next parliament. That then gives Scottish voters not wanting independence an outlet as a protest vote and could result in a reduced SNP number of seats. Crucially though, if the Tories do establish an increased majority due to Labours likely poor performance and insert the unionist clause in the manifesto their hopes of an Independence referendum are off the table for at least 5 years.
    By waiting , and the tory prosecutions come about this summer , Tory majority disappears and tory sleaze then becomes a campaigning issue, likelyhood then is that SNP could then be necessary to labour to form a coalition government. Their price for agreeing to be coalition partners could then be getting the second independence referendum that they want.
    The bit I've deleted I don't really disagree with in general, some of the conclusions maybe a bit. The point about lib dems gaining labour seats i find a bit hard to swallow just because of the numbers in most places and the realisation from those labour voters that by voting lib dem in libdem/labour seats they aren't really helping the "cause".

    SNP want out of the UK that is their main goal. SNP didn't reject the notion they didn't vote on it, this is different because one is them voting and losing (which they would have done anyway because Corbyn wants out and labour think being "remainy" ruins their chances, pandering bullshit as usual so they aren't stopping it as it looks week, although 3 years down the line who cares I agree) gives the frame that they can't really make a difference in UK politics. The other is them saying we abstain from this bullshit, if only we weren't governed by them we could ignore all this bullshit. They also benefit from teh fact there hasn't really been enough time for them to fuck anything up, they are basically in the same position but with a remain scotland that at the same time taking the most pro-remain stance.

    To the SNP labour losing seats and them staying strong isn't a bad thing because a labour uk is good with Scotland really.
    Last edited by Savy; 04-24-2017 at 10:59 PM.

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