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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Spoon really is a fucking fantastic troll. He never breaks character.
    Thank you.

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    If your grandpa spent a year and a half running a successful presidential campaign, complete with speeches, debates, and constant media scrutiny, and then spent the following year fulfilling campaign promises, managing legislative successes, and presiding over a massive economic boom.....you still wouldn't trust him? Just cause he's old?
    Ageism is a thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Based on what the gov't doctors tell you?
    No, based on the fact he hasn't had a nervous breakdown despite taking on what already is the most stressful job in the world for most people, but for him is infinitely more stressful due to the fact he has the entire drooling left shrieking like banshees every time he tweets or goes on tv.

    I'm in no position to tell you if his liver is in good shape, but he seems mentally stronger than, well, a precise 100% of the people who are still in meltdown because he got the job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    No, based on the fact he hasn't had a nervous breakdown despite taking on what already is the most stressful job in the world for most people, but for him is infinitely more stressful due to the fact he has the entire drooling left shrieking like banshees every time he tweets or goes on tv.

    I'm in no position to tell you if his liver is in good shape, but he seems mentally stronger than, well, a precise 100% of the people who are still in meltdown because he got the job.
    So, no good reason to believe it then.
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    What reason do I have not to? I mean we could play this game all fucking day. How can you be sure Abe Lincoln was fit for office? Because his doctor said so? Well that's great, clearly he was insane.

    Fuck's sake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    How can you be sure Abe Lincoln was fit for office? Because his doctor said so?
    But that's precisely the argument that's being touted here by the T.I.'s. The doctor says Trump is in great shape, and anyone who questions that based on their own eyes and ears isn't an independent thinker but instead is a libtard grasping at straws because we should believe what his doctor says.

    I mean I don't have enough data to pass judgment about his physical health other than that he's fat, eats garbage and doesn't exercise. And from that, I find it unlikely he's the prime specimen they're making him out to be. Is that such a strange suspicion to have?


    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Because his doctor said so? Well that's great, clearly he was insane.
    That isn't the chain of logic here and you know it.

    I don't have a battery of neurological tests to tell me if Trump can remember what happened 10 minutes ago, or understands right from wrong. But on the basis of one very simple cognitive test, we're supposed to believe he's perfectly fine, while ignoring a lot of his questionable behavior. Have you seen that test? You get 6 points just for knowing the date and where you are ffs. Another question asks you to identify three line drawings of a camel, lion, and rhinoceros. Another one asks you to draw a clock with the hands pointing to 11.10.

    http://dementia.ie/images/uploads/si...nglish_7_1.pdf

    Next they'll be saying we should believe what they tell us about 9/11 or JFK because it's the government and they never lie, and they did one test that shows something definitely hit the wtc. I mean some of those people who were on the 9/11 commission had degrees from good universities, come on how can you question them?
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    But on the basis of one very simple cognitive test, we're supposed to believe he's perfectly fine, while ignoring a lot of his questionable behavior.
    No. I couldn't give a fuck what his doctor say to be honest. I'm assuming he's perfectly fine because the only evidence to suggest otherwise is [banshee shrieks].

    He's fat? So is most of America. He eats garbage? Yeah welcome to America. Doesn't exercise? That's interesting, considering he also plays too much golf.

    Banshees, the fucking lot of you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    But that's precisely the argument that's being touted here by the T.I.'s.
    I can guess the "T", but what does the "I" stand for?

    The doctor says Trump is in great shape, and anyone who questions that based on their own eyes and ears isn't an independent thinker but instead is a libtard grasping at straws because we should believe what his doctor says.
    If you're actually a doctor, with training, experience, and a medical degree, and you diagnose Trump without examining him, you are guilty of a significant ethical violation.

    If you're NOT actually a doctor, an don't have training, or experience, or a medical degree, and you diagnose Trump, without examining him, you are guilty of shameful, hopeless, partisan idiocy!

    I mean I don't have enough data to pass judgment about his physical health other than that he's fat, eats garbage and doesn't exercise.
    No on disagrees with this, not even the doctor. It was in the report, it was said in the press conference. Trump needs to lose some lbs, improve his diet, and exercise more. Happy now??

    And from that, I find it unlikely he's the prime specimen they're making him out to be. Is that such a strange suspicion to have?
    Who used the term "prime specimen"? You seem to be grading Trump's fitness on some kind of universal scale. At the top of your scale are people like Floyd Mayweather, Michael Phelps, or Deion Sanders in his prime. Ok...so Trump probably isn't at the top of that scale, and no one ever claimed he was. For a 71 year old man, he is in an extremely high percentile of fitness. Why are you suspicious of that?

    I don't have a battery of neurological tests to tell me if Trump can remember what happened 10 minutes ago, or understands right from wrong.
    Yet you have no problem drawing conclusions. Again, it saddens me that you're an educator.

    But on the basis of one very simple cognitive test
    Simplicity does not negate validity, reliability, or accuracy.

    we're supposed to believe he's perfectly fine, while ignoring a lot of his questionable behavior.
    For the 1000th time....a Trump blooper reel is NOT a diagnostic tool.

    Have you seen that test?
    Have you seen what virtually every medical expert on the subject says about the test?

    Next they'll be saying we should believe what they tell us about 9/11
    If you want to say that there is information missing that the government redacted on some 'national security' grounds that may or may not be exaggerated....then ok. You're probably right. If you're telling me that terrorists didn't hijack planes and crash them into buildings, then you should wear less tinfoil.

    or JFK
    Same as above. Besides, even with the 'official' government story, there still enough FACTS (not speculation....FACTS) for people to draw the reasonable conclusion that the secret service killed JFK, albeit on accident.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    No. I couldn't give a fuck what his doctor say to be honest. I'm assuming he's perfectly fine because the only evidence to suggest otherwise is [banshee shrieks].

    He's fat? So is most of America. He eats garbage? Yeah welcome to America. Doesn't exercise? That's interesting, considering he also plays too much golf.

    Banshees, the fucking lot of you.
    Getting in and out of the golf cart is not 'exercise'. Fuck off.

    Next you'll say walking from the fridge to the shitter is exercise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Getting in and out of the golf cart is not 'exercise'. Fuck off.
    400+ calories burned per round.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    400+ calories burned per round.
    Better stop using numbers before he comes back with a pie chart or some shit.
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    Going to the fridge is exercise if you do it 80-odd times over the course of a few hours, while hitting a lemon with a stick every time.
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    ongies gonna ong
  13. #7363
    Yup, not an idiot at all.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b0dc592a095932

    "Who wants to tell him?" lolz.
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    First, Trump trolling the Women's March was hilarious.

    Second, the Women's March is a fucking joke ran by clowns. But hey, at least they didn't invite any speakers who were convicted terrorist murderers or convicted rape-torturer murders this year. That's progress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    First, Trump trolling the Women's March was hilarious.
    Of course it was.


    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    Second, the Women's March is a fucking joke ran by clowns.
    Yeah, but I think women are allowed to vote now. A zillion of them marching in the streets saying they hate you probably isn't a good thing for a politician.

    #MAGA
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    Women's general agreeable nature is working against them these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Of course it was.




    Yeah, but I think women are allowed to vote now. A zillion of them marching in the streets saying they hate you probably isn't a good thing for a politician.

    #MAGA
    The funny thing is that we can expect that to change very quickly and unexpectedly. It's like how in just the span of a couple years the womens movement went from fighting against oppression to fighting for those exact oppressors. The cause is probably the agreeable nature of the fairer sex. So, one day we'll wake up and the trend will move in a different direction, and so will the womens movement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    A zillion of them marching in the streets saying they hate you probably isn't a good thing for a politician.
    They haven't made a fucking dent in a single thing except trashing everywhere they go and making themselves look like idiots.
  19. #7369
    Example of how High Energy memeing is serious business.



    The Identity Politics Democrats don't know what is hitting them. A mere peep outside the bubble can be enough.
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    Thing I'm not excited about wrt that is that Trump is always the bad guy. Look at all the Trump memeing, he's always the bad guy. He's Scarface or Don Corleone. It's a little Freudian but not in a bad way. We need a bad guy right now since all the good guys are cucks. But I'm not the world's biggest fan of any semblance of Democrats being the bad guys. No, they're the good guys. The two-faced good guys that you love at first but get their comeuppance in the end because they snuck around and now their jig is up. Though this particular rendition probably fits since Dr. Evil and co. aren't truly bad. They're clowny and incompetent. Not sure if that fits though. Clowny and incompetent is different than underhanded and two-faced.
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    I'm not the world's biggest fan of any semblance of Democrats being the bad guys. No, they're the good guys
    Campaigning on the idea that obamacare is not a tax, and then getting it through the supreme court on the grounds that congress has the right to levy taxes.......

    Initiating surveillance on a presidential candidate and political enemy, during a campaign, based on a paid-for dossier full of salacious garbage...

    The IRS scandal.....

    The FBI going easy on Hillary....

    The 'pay for play' scandals surrounding Hillary's time as secretary of state....

    AG whatzherface meeting with Bill Clinton on a plane....

    Speaking of Bill Clinton....purjury

    The DNC boxed out Bernie....

    I mean, how corrupt does a party have to be before we start calling them bad guys?
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    Eh I'm making a sort of literary metaphor and stuff.

    The Democrats are bad news according to reality.
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    I always find it interesting how Trump is the bad guy in memes. I also find it interesting how most things that are good for you feel bad. Are they related? Probs malobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    I always find it interesting how Trump is the bad guy in memes.
    I think it's fine. The Dems have made a career of identity politics and villainizing the competition. Inside their own echo chamber, they were cheered. When Obama was president, they were emboldened. But what they didn't realize was that they were creating a "silent majority".

    The crazies on the left are gonna keep meme-ing Trump in all kinds of derogatory ways. The crazies on the right are gonna keep meme-ing the Dems in all kinds of derogatory ways. However, in the middle, are a hell of a lot of people who say "Just cause I'm white, doesn't mean I'm privileged" and "Just cause I want immigrants to come in legally, doesn't mean I'm racist" and "Just because I believe in meritocracy, doesn't mean I hate the poor" etc etc etc etc.

    These people can't speak up. They can't present their side, no matter how many facts back it up. Their debate opponents don't want to debate. They won't accept reason. They only know how to cry "unfair", flex a sense of entitlement, and talk about how fucking great it is in Denmark even though 99% of them have never even been there.

    So keep it up Dems. Keep feeding the crazies on your side while simultaneously alienating more and more independent thinkers. The silent majority grows, and when the voting booths open again, you will hear our voice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    I think it's fine. The Dems have made a career of identity politics and villainizing the competition.
    It's a keen observation.

    Who's the coolest literary figure in the last ten years? Walter White, that's who.

    Could be that what they said was always true, that politics is downwind from culture.
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    Man I love that as an partial explanation for and about Trump (and the audience that points the finger). It's not a full explanation, as there are some very important differences. But I think there really is something to the Bad Guy/Scarface/Trump dynamic.
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    "Good? You're not good. Me? I always tell the truth. Even when I lie."

    Picture, fucking, perfect.
  29. #7379
    "Last time you're gonna see a bad guy like this again."

    That's right. It's the last time we're gonna see somebody do "everything wrong" while getting it right, while disrupting the corruption of the "good guys" that have been doing bad for so long.
    Last edited by wufwugy; 01-21-2018 at 11:39 PM.
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    "What a bunch of fucking assholes."

    I couldn't say it better myself. Holier-than-thou assholes. Blowhards became that the moment they decided that Trump is their enemy.
    Last edited by wufwugy; 01-21-2018 at 11:38 PM.
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    Yeah plus they lost.
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    http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/21/opinio...art/index.html

    Even CNN is saying the Democrats are nuts.

    Irrational behavior does not respond to reason. It responds to aggression.

    Vote republican in 2018.
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    So, the Democrats folded and the shutdown is over less than halfway through it's first business day. #winning #MAGA.

    Now, I really want to know, from anyone on the left.....What was this for?? What was the point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    So, the Democrats folded and the shutdown is over less than halfway through it's first business day. #winning #MAGA.

    Now, I really want to know, from anyone on the left.....What was this for?? What was the point?
    Blumpf
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    #winning #maga
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    It's a pipe dream, but I'd like to see Obama locked the fuck up over some of this shit.
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    I'm not so sure it's a pipe dream anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    I'm not so sure it's a pipe dream anymore.
    If Trump gets re-elected, and controls at least one house of congress at the time, then some high ranking Dems should think seriously about fleeing to Costa Rica.
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    Politicians expressing shocked outrage over hidden information is not indicative of anything at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Politicians expressing shocked outrage over hidden information is not indicative of anything at all.
    Well, with the un-hidden information, it's pretty easy to infer what the memo is likely to say.

    And it's only hidden for the moment. For what I gather the committees and hearings and such that it takes to release the memo takes 19 congressional business days. Which puts the release in mid-March.

    EDIT: TIL that there is such a thing as "congressional business days" that is different from regular "business days". Work harder congress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Politicians expressing shocked outrage over hidden information is not indicative of anything at all.
    I tend to agree.

    IMO any bombshell will be unexpected. Though there may also be a drip, drip, drip of related subject material leading up to that to properly massage public opinion for what's to come. But yeah, the more you hear about something like this before it happens, the less likely it is to be juicy.
  43. #7393
    Kim Dotcom, Hannity, others, they have teased major bombshells a bunch in the past. A big fat zero percent of them have been anything other old lady queef.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Kim Dotcom, Hannity, others, they have teased major bombshells a bunch in the past. A big fat zero percent of them have been anything other old lady queef.
    What about the time Rachel Maddow had Trump's tax return.

    Bomb dropped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    What about the time Rachel Maddow had Trump's tax return.

    Bomb dropped.
    IIRC that was teased in promos during the day for the primetime viewing. That's a different animal. Though that doesn't mean that's not how it would be done with somebody like Hannity, but that nigga cried wolf way too many times by now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    IIRC that was teased in promos during the day for the primetime viewing. That's a different animal. Though that doesn't mean that's not how it would be done with somebody like Hannity, but that nigga cried wolf way too many times by now.
    I was being sarcastic about the Maddow thing. If you remember, she had a big fat nothingburger to present on TV.

    I'm with you on Hannity. How that guy gets fired up night after night can't be real. So you can divide everything he says by 3, and that's about all it's worth.

    My inference here is that the memo is going to detail some wildly indefensible justification for the surveillance put on Trump during the campaign and during the transition. My bold prediction here is that it shows unlawful collusion between the Obama administration and the Hillary campaign.
  47. #7397
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    My bold prediction here is that it shows unlawful collusion between the Obama administration and the Hillary campaign.
    After I posted that, it actually sunk in.

    Damn, that would be really really fucking bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    After I posted that, it actually sunk in.

    Damn, that would be really really fucking bad.
    We already know it happened.

    And Trump knows it happened too.

    The question is if justice will also happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    After I posted that, it actually sunk in.

    Damn, that would be really really fucking bad.
    I'll add that it's not surprising.

    When the answer to every injustice is more government power, a person with power in government tends to believe he is justice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    We already know it happened.

    And Trump knows it happened too.

    The question is if justice will also happen.
    no, the question is WHY it happened.

    It's one thing if Obama was just being a good Democrat and trying to find dirt on Trump so he could take him down. I mean, that's corrupt and wrong, and all that but....

    I think it would be a metric-shit-ton worse if we found out that Hillary was in actual kahootz with Obama who was using the power of the presidency to influence the outcome of an election.

    One is a power-overreach driven by petty partisanship.

    The other is a tyrannical conspiracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    no, the question is WHY it happened.

    It's one thing if Obama was just being a good Democrat and trying to find dirt on Trump so he could take him down. I mean, that's corrupt and wrong, and all that but....

    I think it would be a metric-shit-ton worse if we found out that Hillary was in actual kahootz with Obama who was using the power of the presidency to influence the outcome of an election.

    One is a power-overreach driven by petty partisanship.

    The other is a tyrannical conspiracy.
    AND. TRUMP. STILL. WON.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    AND. TRUMP. STILL. WON.
    RUSSIA!!!!!!!!
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    Maybe the memo proves that Obama intentionally pinned the Russia stuff on Trump just to fuck him up. And when the memo is released, Mueller's little project comes to a screeching halt.

    Crazy shit is....you will STILL see people on CNN that day saying "we should still investigate Trump/Russia collusion"
  54. #7404
    Who do ya think Pence will make his running mate in 2024? I'm going with Nikki Haley.

    Pence defo winning 2024, probably by a significantly wider margin than Trump will in 2020. I'm still pretty surprised at how many conservatives and conservative-minded people just do not like Trump at all because of his demeanor.
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    I'm pro-Nikki Haley myself.
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    How come?
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    She's hot for an old chick, she's from the Carolinas and she talks shit.
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    All I want for Christmas is Obama on trial for his crimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    All I want for Christmas is Obama on trial for his crimes.
    Obummer the bummer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    All I want for Christmas is Obama on trial for his crimes.
    And which crime is that? Giving millions of people healthcare who didn't have it before? Do you know the number of lives the man saved single-handedly just from preventing suicides of transgender individuals by allowing them to get the healthcare they need?
    Resist.
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    Hey, some bait I don't mind taking!

    Saying a President's urging of a policy affected anything "single-handedly" is misleading.

    Presidents don't make laws, they urge lawmakers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Hey, some bait I don't mind taking!

    Saying a President's urging of a policy affected anything "single-handedly" is misleading.

    Presidents don't make laws, they urge lawmakers.
    If Congress could have done it themselves, they would have done it before he was in office. I know that you can't understand that because you're a part of the same cisgender heteronormative patriarchal power structures, which blinds you to how things really work when people like Barack Obama makes sweeping changes to actually help people.
    Resist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Hey, some bait I don't mind taking!

    Saying a President's urging of a policy affected anything "single-handedly" is misleading.

    Presidents don't make laws, they urge lawmakers.
    lolwhatareyouevendoinghere?

    Arguing with spoon's alt that is even trollier than his main account?
  64. #7414
    Telling when Spoon is trolling is easy. All ya gotta do is not assume he's mean-hearted and stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Telling when Spoon is trolling is easy. All ya gotta do is not assume he's mean-hearted and stupid.
    Why would you apply some strange moralistic view to him that he never abides by?
    Opportunities knock
    was really just the pizza man
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    What do you mean?

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