**** Elections thread *****

[oskar]

https://people.com/style/kylie-jenne...aire-in-world/

SELF MADE!
Shows what you can do when you just roll up your sleeves and go at it.

The greatest american success story since Wyatt Ingraham Koch

[OngBonga]

You OK, ong?

Yes thanks.

My contempt for religion is not an indication I'm depressed. If I start bitching about women, go full spoonitnow, that's probably a worry.

I've always been itching for an argument. I have 18k+ posts, that didn't happen by accident. Religion is a great topic especially Islam, because it's stupid, oppressive and it triggers people when I say that.

[oskar]

nope. I say it's stupid and oppressive. I get triggered when you make up or misrepresent numbers to support your argument.

[OngBonga]

Like you never did that.

I don't make up numbers. I might misrepresent numbers, but it's because I'm lazy rather than insincere. A crude google search and a scan of articles is all I can really be bothered to do if I'm looking for numbers. I don't pretend to be thorough.

[Poopadoop]

https://people.com/style/kylie-jenne...aire-in-world/

SELF MADE!
Shows what you can do when you just roll up your sleeves and go at it.

The greatest american success story since Wyatt Ingraham Koch

You're just jealous 'cause she has her own credit card. And shoes. Lots of shoes. Multiple pairs.

[oskar]

you know me

[MadMojoMonkey]

Yes thanks.

OK, cool.

Carry on, then.

[Poopadoop]

Mojo - the Jewish mother of FTR.

[MadMojoMonkey]

just looking out for a friend

[Jack Sawyer]

Does she have any chance? She's just cashing in on corporate panic reaction money after they saw how Bernie's campaign took off, right?

I dont think she does at all though.

Klobuchar has also been up to some sketchy business.

Literally, the only candidates I hear about are Tulsi, Bernie and Warren

BUT Debbie fucking Wasserman Shultz it at it again threatening to kick Bernie out of the Democratic party. The establishment will not go down without a fight

[Jack Sawyer]

I'm positively surprised John King followed up on that question. It would be really sad if you guys go through 4 years of Trump just to end up with Kamala Harris.

LOL exactly.

I guess CNN got tired of being called out for being a softball pitcher all the time, so now they will only do it most of the time

[Jack Sawyer]

Politicians do not have the concept of irony down

[oskar]

That is so disgusting. I follow some center democrats on twitter and those idiots blew this up as if Omar wore her best "Gas the Jews!" shirt to congress. I understand the "there are these tropes, and maybe be mindful of them when you say anything relating to jews" - argument, but jesus christ was this blown out of proportion. Get ranked choice voting passed you idiots! Push for statehood of DC and Puerto Rico! You have republicans who run on white nationalist propaganda and spell jewish names with dollar signs on twitter go "this is outrageous" and democrats go "we totally agree, this is very concerning!"

You're one billionaire running as a 3rd party candidate away from a 2-term Trump presidency. Get your shit together!

[oskar]

Reality Winner: whistleblower, warned of russian election hacking. 5 year prison sentence.

Paul Manafort: conspiring with a foreign government to influence the election in addition to a couple dozen charges of bank fraud and money laundering. 4 years.

[OngBonga]

Are you reading a different story to me? He got jailed for hiding $1m of earnings from his political activities in Ukraine, not Russia. None of the charges he's faced relate to Russia.

[oskar]

He was working on behalf of the Kremlin in the Ukraine. He'll face more charges in another trial, but since Robert Mueller recommended 19+ years for this one, I assume that's the big one. In addition he passed american voter information on to russian agents so they could optimize their online campaign for Donald Trump. 8 charges counted as a mistrial because of one juror who didn't trust a witness whose testimony was immaterial to those charges - unsurprisingly turned out to be a maga tard.

Rosa Maria Ortega, a green card holder who voted because she was under the impression that she had the right to since she has lived in the US her entire life, got 5 years for casting a ballot. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/ele...-fraud-n941261

While googling this, I stumbled upon another case: 5 years for a single ballot: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-for-of-voting

You get less time for handing out election data on nearly every american voter to the kremlin than you do to cast one wrong vote when you're a second class citizen.
Mark Harris also got nothing for large scale voter fraud. I'm not even sure if he's being prosecuted.

[OngBonga]

He was working on behalf of the Kremlin in the Ukraine.

Seems somewhat odd, I mean, why the hell would you be working for Russia on enemy territory? Seems a lot more plausible that he was conspiring against Russia.

5 years for a woman voting because she thought she was entitled to is disgusting. If they can prove beyond reasonable doubt that she knew she wasn't entitled, there's less sympathy, although the sentence is still brutal.

[sah_24]

He was working on behalf of the Kremlin in the Ukraine. He'll face more charges in another trial, but since Robert Mueller recommended 19+ years for this one, I assume that's the big one. In addition he passed american voter information on to russian agents so they could optimize their online campaign for Donald Trump. 8 charges counted as a mistrial because of one juror who didn't trust a witness whose testimony was immaterial to those charges - unsurprisingly turned out to be a maga tard.

Rosa Maria Ortega, a green card holder who voted because she was under the impression that she had the right to since she has lived in the US her entire life, got 5 years for casting a ballot. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/ele...-fraud-n941261

While googling this, I stumbled upon another case: 5 years for a single ballot: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-for-of-voting

You get less time for handing out election data on nearly every american voter to the kremlin than you do to cast one wrong vote when you're a second class citizen.
Mark Harris also got nothing for large scale voter fraud. I'm not even sure if he's being prosecuted.

She should have gotten more time ...

[Jack Sawyer]

Reality Winner: whistleblower, warned of russian election hacking. 5 year prison sentence.

Paul Manafort: conspiring with a foreign government to influence the election in addition to a couple dozen charges of bank fraud and money laundering. 4 years.

Kalief Browder: 3 years in Rikers for stealing a backpack (which had an ipod touch and a camera, for whatever reason they add the $700 price tag to it when they report this). Spent 2 of those years in solitary. He was 16 at the time of imprisonment. Oh; turns out they had no evidence against him and released him, which is why he only sat 3 years.

Kills himself 2 years after getting out.

[Jack Sawyer]

[Jack Sawyer]

I've been calling for Bernie/Tulsi 2020 since 2016

I really would have wanted that same combination to have won in 2016 as well, but I'm afraid Tulsi was too young at the time and I would have substituted her with Warren. But Warren G is no Tulsi, Tulsi is better, so let's make it happen!

[oskar]

Reminds me of that nbc commentator who criticized Bernie for not mentioning race or gender until 23 minutes into a speech, because that apparently shows that his priorities are backwards. Last time I checked the syntax went: there's A, there's B, but most importantly...
What ever happened to that? Gotcha there, didn't I msnbc!

It is so dumb and so transparent. CNN and NBC are trying to get the idiot vote for establishment democrats and they just can't get it through their skulls that Trump has the idiot demographic on a lock. If you're a fucking idiot it doesn't matter if you're a jew or a nazi because Trump has no discernable agenda other than that he's catnip for fucking idiots. He didn't become president despite being borderline mentally handicapped, he became president because of it. He's the perfect representative for simpletons and assholes. You're not winning 2020 by tapping into the Trump demographic - you'll win it by mobilizing the mentally abled.

[Jack Sawyer]

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d....safe&hl=en_US

I love my safe spase from the libtards who ar the reel racists. now I can get greese stains on my shirt without SNOWFLAKES making fun of me and making me cry. Now i can eat in piece without being afreid of hearing mexicans talking about me in theyre language. My only complaint is that people still dont seem to like it when i talk loudly about SOCIALISTS making ladies sexist against REEL MEN like me and thats why im eating alone.

That has to be a troll review

This app is a great way to find places to eat where I don't have to worry about offending any conservative snowflakes should I want to talk about our embarrassment of a president. Seriously, the guy cries "presidential harassment!" after spending years telling Obama to produce a birth certificate. How about the "stable genius" cough up his taxes or, god forbid, his grades.

I don't think this one is though

[Jack Sawyer]

Reminds me of that nbc commentator who criticized Bernie for not mentioning race or gender until 23 minutes into a speech, because that apparently shows that his priorities are backwards. Last time I checked the syntax went: there's A, there's B, but most importantly...
What ever happened to that? Gotcha there, didn't I msnbc!

They really, really, really want to "get" him in any way and by any means possible

It is so dumb and so transparent. CNN and NBC are trying to get the idiot vote for establishment democrats and they just can't get it through their skulls that Trump has the idiot demographic on a lock. If you're a fucking idiot it doesn't matter if you're a jew or a nazi because Trump has no discernable agenda other than that he's catnip for fucking idiots. He didn't become president despite being borderline mentally handicapped, he became president because of it. He's the perfect representative for simpletons and assholes. You're not winning 2020 by tapping into the Trump demographic - you'll win it by mobilizing the mentally abled.

CNN has revealed itself to be a joke. A sad one without a punchline.

[OngBonga]

Remain voters = mentally abled.
Brexit voters = mentally retarded.

I don't believe that, but if I did I would be a cunt.

[Jack Sawyer]

[oskar]

[OngBonga]

So... Russian collusion. How's that going?

Do you guys accept yet that you've been fed a pile of shit? Or is Muller "compromised" by the Russians too?

[MadMojoMonkey]

IDK, but "collusion" isn't a crime, according to a YouTube lawyer video I saw. Whatever they're investigating, the act(s) of collusion are perfectly fine. What I took away is that collusion means something like cooperation with intent to deceive... it's not illegal in and of itself to do either.

[oskar]

I'm pretty sure I've always said I'll wait until the evidence is out. I think it was a huge mistake for msm to focus so heavily on the russia stuff. I know I probably said something about Puting going ass to mouth on Trump, but that's almost... that's factually correct.

The Mueller report isn't out, and it probably won't come out in any form that will hurt Trump. Trump will get the report next and Trump will get to redact what he wants to redact before the report reaches congress... it's not unexpected, but you got to admit that's probably not how it should be.

I am very surprised that there are no more indictments. Kushner, Corsi and Trump are all on record: first denying ever meeting with russians, then lying about the intent of the meeting, lying about the content of the meeting and even lying about who wrote the statement to the special council about the meeting. That none of those people had to testify to the FBI makes no sense to me. I do believe that Barr's summary is correct in the broadest sense, but I'm absolutely positive that there are very damaging things in the report that are being left out.

On the count of obstruction: I need someone to explain to me why they would hand off the conclusion to the AG. An AG who got hired because he wrote a 19 page job application dismissing obstruction on principle: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/willi...b0a6329e18308f
Trump literally said he's firing people because they're not stopping the investigation. I want to hear the rational how this doesn't rise to the level of obstruction. It's probably some bullshit about how only written statements count. Same reason his "muslim ban" passed the senate.

Not being an agent of a foreign nation shouldn't be a huge positive, but on optics this is somehow a huge win for Trump even if the investigation ended with two people in his inner circle doing significant jail time. I've already read multiple people conflicting criminal conspiracy to defraud the united states with russian election interference. People literally going: lol you thought russian bots are real!
So this is all kinds of bad. Russia did interfere in the election, Russia did reach out to the Trump campaign, the Trump campaign met with russians, but in the end I guess it didn't rise to the level of criminal conspiracy. The Mueller investigation did exactly what it was supposed to do. I don't feel duped for thinking it was likely that they colluded. I still think that looking at how people in the Trump campaign behaved, and how Trump talked about it, it seemed likely that there was collusion.
I think in the end the reason he lied about it was because he lies on principle.

[OngBonga]

I think in the end the reason he lied about it was because he lies on principle.

Honestly, you know a great deal more about this subject than I do. I never believed a word of it and simply refused to waste my time reading about it. Did Trump actually lie?

Do you recall wuf throwing the term "3D chess" about? Maybe Trump lied because he knew they would uncover nothing and it gave his critics rope.

[oskar]

During the campaign he said he had "no dealings in russia" when talks about Trump tower moscow were ongoing. This would have been the biggest real estate deal of his lifetime. It is inconceivable that he didn't know about that, and that is problematic because Putin definitely knew about that, so that's potentially damaging information russia had.

Trump kept denying that russia interfered in the election even after he was briefed - he was briefed before and after the election. But his campaign still failed to report russian outreach. Trump repeatedly tried to, and occasionally successfully lifted sanctions on russia while being fully aware that russia's efforts to influence the elections in the GOP's favor were ongoing. What apparently did not happen was an explicit agreement between the two sides.

I believe it was Bush Jr who said that russians reached out to his campaign as well. They immediately informed the FBI. When they contacted the Trump campaign, Kushner replied "I love it"

I do believe that if the special council commends no further indictments and is able to say that there was no collusion, then I suppose that there was nothing else going on behind the scenes, and it would probably be best for democrats to stop focusing on russia.

I'm happy to see that Bernie Sanders is doing all the right things: invites local people to speak at his rallies, focuses on healthcare and race relations. Two issues Trump absolutely shits the bed on. If dems keep focusing on russia, that could backfire massively. I no longer think Trump will be impeached before 2020, or even that it would be a good idea. I think he should be voted out.

[MadMojoMonkey]

I've always held that people love to say "impeach" no matter who's the president, but I'm not taking it seriously until Congress holds an impeachment hearing.
Besides, no one who's ever been impeached has left office. Nixon resigned, wasn't impeached. Clinton didn't leave office, despite being impeached. Same for ... was it Johnson?
Both were impeached, making it possible to try them in a court. Both were acquitted in their trials.

The odds that Trump would be impeached were always slim, and almost certainly wouldn't result in him leaving office. More likely that he'd take the Nixon route if things were moving in that direction. Nixon basically had his lawyers determine if he could pardon himself if he was impeached. His lawyers said, "You mean that law that specifically reads, 'except in cases of impeachment?'" and he was all, "yeah." and they were all, "no." So he resigned.

The really funny thing is the Trump quote where he claims that numerous legal scholars believe he has the right to pardon himself. The dripping irony is that he starts that quote by saying something like, "No one should be above the law."

[boost]

This is a good read, the last section, Role of the AG appears to be pretty important in how Barr should be viewed.

I've seen this in multiple places that this is a fairly extraordinary thing for him to have gone out of his way and arguably out of his role to explicitly clear the president on the question of obstruction.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/unpackin...ry-barr-letter

[Jack Sawyer]

Biden touches

[MadMojoMonkey]

This is a good read, the last section, Role of the AG appears to be pretty important in how Barr should be viewed.

I've seen this in multiple places that this is a fairly extraordinary thing for him to have gone out of his way and arguably out of his role to explicitly clear the president on the question of obstruction.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/unpackin...ry-barr-letter

Not to spam the same YouTube channel in links, but I'm liking this guy so far.

[oskar]

What doesn't make sense to me is that a hand picked head of the the DOJ can just choose to sit on the report indefinitely to eventually pass on a presumably heavily redacted version to congress. What is the point of having FBI probes, if the person being investigated essentially gets to choose what happens to the report? Even if it comes out eventually, just the fact that if it's good for Trump they can release it immediately and if it's not good they can first set the narrative by teasing whatever they want people to hear and then maybe or maybe not release it later.

Meanwhile Kristjian nazi-barbie Nielson apparently wasn't turning up enough dead kids, so we're now looking at the prospect of Steven Miller taking her job. This just underlines again how incredibly damaging it is to allow Trump to go full term, but if not even congress gets to see the Mueller report; if they can't get his taxes and they can't even make him to sit for an interview on obstruction of justice after he admitted to it on TV more than once, then apparently the president truly is untouchable and there was no reason to even have an investigation in the first place.

[MadMojoMonkey]

There's some big "ifs" in that post, but assuming all those ifs are true, then I agree with your conclusion.

[oskar]

Here's some justice porn eye bleach. I know I'll rewatch that one a lot.

https://youtu.be/cPyopsYZYUE

[boost]

Here's some justice porn eye bleach. I know I'll rewatch that one a lot.

https://youtu.be/cPyopsYZYUE

Man, I wouldn't wish that pavement head bounce on anyone, butttttt it is super satisfying seeing that "I got this, I ride [a Harley]." guy get his comeuppance. So many people who have plenty of miles on two wheels truly have no clue how to ride, and they quickly find that out when they get on a dirt bike-- esp a MX 2 stroke.

[oskar]

[oskar]

Trumps campaign videos are like his speeches... not even pretending like there's a message: https://twitter.com/girlsreallyrule/...83163639410688

[oskar]

https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/stat...39641888628737
More examples of Trump appointees who would be more at home in a supermarket ball pit than in congress.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iFQyw8N61s
At first I thought: wtf were they thinking calling up Candace Owens, but then I remembered: Republicans only have 3 black ladies left to parade and the other two are Diamond and Silk... also glancing at replies on Twitter, Trumple's see absolutely nothing wrong with her comment.

[Poopadoop]

"bang the gravel" lmao.

[TheSpoonald]

Has anyone else noticed what a pathetic sell out Bernie Sanders has become? In 2016 I almost wanted to vote for the guy. He has all the right criticisms, but all of his solutions were total buffoonery. He's right about the inequality of corporatism. But socialism is stupid.

Bernie 2020 is different. Suddenly he's on the "woke" bandwagon of the social justice left

Look, this guy can't even get past the talking point. She asks "Where should we send these people?" Sanders says "Let's not demonize immigrants"

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/bernie-s...real-question/

[TheSpoonald]

This is the shit the dems are running on. Can someone explain how this is going to beat Trump?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...eply-offensive

[Jack Sawyer]

This is the shit the dems are running on. Can someone explain how this is going to beat Trump?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...eply-offensive

You down with taking away citizen's rights?

[OngBonga]

How is this a debate? I think prisoners should have the right to vote; voting is a fundamental human right in any nation that calls itself democratic. That said, I have no problem with someone disagreeing with me on that. It's hardly a divisive issue for me.

[TheSpoonald]

You down with taking away citizen's rights?

Yes. 1000% yes. With due process......yes.

[TheSpoonald]

voting is a fundamental human right

So is the right to life, liberty, and property. But they can still put you in a jail cell.

The constitution grants the government the power to inhibit a person's rights if that person is afforded due process, and loses.

We take away felon's gun rights. According to the constitution, that's a fundamental human right too. Do you think it's a good idea to give a gun to a convicted rapist who just spent 7 years in prison doing nothing but lifting weights and getting angry?? Is that the world you wanna live in?

Democrats don't even want law abiding people to have guns, nevermind felons.

So I think it's pretty thin to be arguing that criminals should have the right to vote. It's not a consistent argument if you only want them to vote, and not restore any other rights.

It's pretty obvious that the Dems just see an untapped resource of votes, and they are willing to compromise their own principles, and the Bill of Rights, just to accumulate power.

Do you think that's gonna beat Donald Trump??

[TheSpoonald]

Maybe we should ask the people of a town called West Feliciana Parish, Louisiana.

that's a town of 15,000 people. A full third of them are inmates at the Angola State Prison.

If Bernie Sanders is President, they'll be able to vote for the city council, district attorney, the sheriff, and maybe even the prison warden too.

Does that sound right??

[OngBonga]

So is the right to life, liberty, and property. But they can still put you in a jail cell.

Sure, but ultimately the reason for this is to protect society. What protection are you giving to society by stopping someone from voting? Such an action is pure punishment, there is no other reason to do it. Voting isn't even important enough to a lot of people for it to be considered a serious deterrent.

We take away felon's gun rights.

Again, social security is the reason why you would do this.

So I think it's pretty thin to be arguing that criminals should have the right to vote.

I disagree, but like I say, not strongly enough to give a fuck.

Do you think that's gonna beat Donald Trump??

No, I expect him to win a second term.

that's a town of 15,000 people. A full third of them are inmates at the Angola State Prison.

This is an interesting aspect to consider, but if prisoners are allowed to vote, then it should be from their last address, not the location of their prison.

[TheSpoonald]

What protection are you giving to society by stopping someone from voting?

If you can't follow the law, you certainly shouldn't get to help make the law.

are you really saying that law breakers should have the same amount of governing power as law-abiding citizens?

People who respect the law should have more say over the law than people who don't.

If you can't respect existing laws, then we can't trust you to participate in the function of law-making.

[TheSpoonald]

This is an interesting aspect to consider, but if prisoners are allowed to vote, then it should be from their last address, not the location of their prison.

WTF?? Does massive, slow moving, inaccurate, incompetent government bureaucracy give you some kind of an erection??

[TheSpoonald]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...80133137461248

HA!

I'm sure he's lying. but...HA!

[TheSpoonald]

Creepy Joe is in!!!!

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...e-people-hoax/

He said there were, quote, some “very fine people on both sides.” Very fine people on both sides? With those words, the president of the United States assigned a moral equivalence between those spreading hate, and those with the courage to stand against it. And in that moment, I knew that the threat to this nation was unlike any I had every seen in my lifetime.

What a tremendous crock of bullshit. If the first thing he does as a candidate is regurgitate a thoroughly debunked fake-news lie.....then I can just imagine how shitty his policy positions must be.

[OngBonga]

If you can't follow the law, you certainly shouldn't get to help make the law.

This isn't necessarily true. Let's say I get caught selling weed and go to jail for six months. Let's also say there's an election going on while I'm in prison, and one candidate is proposing legalisation of weed. Why shouldn't I be able to do my bit to help change the law?

are you really saying that law breakers should have the same amount of governing power as law-abiding citizens?

Yes, just like stupid people and intelligent people have the same voting power.

People who respect the law should have more say over the law than people who don't. If you can't respect existing laws, then we can't trust you to participate in the function of law-making.

This is an opinion I respect, but disagree with.

WTF?? Does massive, slow moving, inaccurate, incompetent government bureaucracy give you some kind of an erection??

No. Hairy Japanese pussies give me an erection. Shaven American ones do too, but it takes longer.

I don't mean physically release them, and allow them to vote in poll booths in their home town. I simply mean their vote is relevant to their home town, not the town of the prison. Setting up a poll booth in a prison and sending their votes to the relevant district is hardly over-bureaucracy.

[OngBonga]

I could be swayed on the voting right for prisoners argument, but it requires evidence that doing so is a risk to social security.

If a candidate proposes releasing all prisoners, then he'll get a lot of votes from prisoners and their families. That would be a problem. So maybe I'm being naive.

[Poopadoop]

I don't think anyone is suggesting you let the prisoners out of jail to vote lol.

[TheSpoonald]

This isn't necessarily true. Let's say I get caught selling weed and go to jail for six months. Let's also say there's an election going on while I'm in prison, and one candidate is proposing legalisation of weed. Why shouldn't I be able to do my bit to help change the law?

I'm pretty sure there are better ways to change a law than to break it.

[MadMojoMonkey]

I'm pretty sure there are better ways to change a law than to break it.

Does that mean no one who ever got a speeding ticket should be allowed to vote on traffic laws?

I mean.. there are swiss cheese levels of loop holes in that statement.

Congress isn't allowed to count black people the same as white people in the census. Yeah.. maybe that's what the law technically says, but that's not what we actually do.

The Boston Tea Party was pretty illegal.

America has a strong cultural tradition of rational anarchy, I'd say. People do illegal things all the time, on the rationale that they're smarter than the average bear and have things under control.
Precious few meet a very high standard of "respecting the law" if we look at those petty crimes like speeding.
Or the damn savages that will steal someone else's lunch out of the company fridge. IDK if that's illegal, but it should be.

[OngBonga]

I'm pretty sure there are better ways to change a law than to break it.

Sure there are, but on the subject of weed, find me a person who actively wants to legalise weed, yet doesn't break the law by smoking it regardless.

[TheSpoonald]

Holy shit Monkey. You really went on a drunken rant here. You ok buddy?

Does that mean no one who ever got a speeding ticket should be allowed to vote on traffic laws?

I mean.. there are swiss cheese levels of loop holes in that statement.

First of all, this doesn't actually follow the sentence that you quoted from me. It makes me wonder if you're feeling alight. Secondly, no one is talking about speeding and traffic laws. If you lose your rights as a result of due process of law, then you lose your rights. If you speed excessively, or repeatedly, or recklessly, you might end up with a prison term, during which you can't vote.

If you just get a speeding ticket, you're not considered a felon, your freedoms are not infringed, and thus you can still vote.

Third, I don't know why you and Ong are trying to connect weed laws to weed offenders and traffic laws to traffic offenders. We don't vote for individual laws. We vote for people who make laws. And if you show a flagrant disregard for the law, to the point that society feels safer with you removed from it and confined in a cement box, then I think it's perfectly appropriate for society to exclude you from the lawmaking process.

America has a strong cultural tradition of rational anarchy, I'd say. People do illegal things all the time, on the rationale that they're smarter than the average bear and have things under control.

Well that rationale is shit. But I'm not going to say anymore because the entire back half of your post was full-on crazy. I have no idea how it's relevant to anything we're discussing. Yes, people sometimes commit crimes in protest....they know the risks. What's your point?

[TheSpoonald]

Jesus, the guy has only been in the race since this morning.....

He's already hired all the right people
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...ttigieg-march/

He's got a kick-ass campaign slogan. "Make America Really Good One More Time"
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...we-used-to-be/

And he's already collecting high profile endorsements
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...for-president/

This guy is the frontrunner!!!

And you think Trump is a retard. God damn

[Poopadoop]

The only reason to hope for Biden is the possibility of him and Trump having a cage match.

lol, isn't Avenatti facing like 300 years in prison? I guess his run for POTUS is over.

[TheSpoonald]

lol, isn't Avenatti facing like 300 years in prison?

Yeah, that is stupendously funny. His debate with Tucker Carlson was an epic rage-spaz that I was really hoping to see more of as he hit the campaign trail. Fortunately, the other 632 candidates are all deranged clown-shows too. So it will still be fun.

CNN used to give this guy airtime 4 times a week!!

But Trump is the retard.

[TheSpoonald]

The only reason to hope for Biden is the possibility of him and Trump having a cage match.

Do you mean an actual fistfight? Or a political debate?

I think both would be kinda boring. Biden would win the fistfight in a bloodbath. The debate would be a tie, and not even an exciting tie.

Doesn't matter, I see no way he can win the nomination.

[TheSpoonald]

5 trillion fucking dollars with no discernible goal.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/29/polit...icy/index.html

But if Trump wants 1/1000th of that for a proven measure that people voted for....dems say "it's a waste of money"

[Jack Sawyer]

5 trillion fucking dollars with no discernible goal.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/29/polit...icy/index.html

But if Trump wants 1/1000th of that for a proven measure that people voted for....dems say "it's a waste of money"

By "proven measure", are you snidely referring to the border wall?

[TheSpoonald]

WALLS WORK



This shows the number of illegal border crossings from Serbia into Hungary by day. Can you guess which day the wall was finished?

[Jack Sawyer]

It's early, but never early enough for CNN to come up with its own bullshit narratives.


"BIDEN LEADS PACK BY DOUBLE DIGITS IN DEM PRIMARIES ACC TO POLL!!!"* **


* poll respondents was literally limited to people aged 60+. All other demographics were ignored and not tallied. So, if only people aged 60+ show up to vote, your poll would make any sense. Way to represent what the whole of the population thinks there.
However, CNN itself does not tell you the population makeup of the poll they feature so prominently. You have to go digging to find out.


* Also note, this a 10 minute segment on Biden, with Biden himself literally speaking for 2 seconds in the entire segment.


† also note how starting 4:50 Van Jones goes on a semi rant on electability, saying that every time the media tells you someone is amazingly electable, they lose. Examples being Gore, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton etc. Notice SE Cupp's face when he makes that argument


LOL CNN, such transparency. You are not news; you are entertainment with an agenda. I will start referring to your channel as CEN: Cable Entertainment Network

[oskar]

https://youtu.be/I1vCBj8AvdQ

This one gave me an aneurism. Biden will talk at length how much he'd still like to service Dick Cheney's cock and balls; is stuck in 1950 with all his policies and clearly rides on name recognition alone. What the fuck does it mean "we need a candidate that beats Trump"? The most popular candidate will beat Trump. Why would literal Hilary 2.0 beat Trump? If you want a sock puppet for late stage capitalism in the white house, you have a wide array of much superior choices among the current candidates. Maybe choose one that isn't a geriatric misogynist warmonger populist.

I know I said it would suck to come out of a Trump presidency with Kamala Harris. I did not realize at the time how much worse it could get.

Even more tilting than Bernie - you don't hear Warren mentioned ever without some type of caveat, even by Warren fans. Talk about policies and Warren wins on every count.

[Poopadoop]

https://youtu.be/I1vCBj8AvdQ

What the fuck does it mean "we need a candidate that beats Trump"?

This is what I don't get either. The least popular president in living memory and they're worried about who can beat him? Anyone can fucking beat him! Just pick the one who'd make the best president ffs.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Is Trump really that unpopular?

Trump's popularity
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...roval-ratings/

I mean... seems like the 40% of die-hard R's support him consistently.


Historical popularity of presidents
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...pproval_rating

Oh. Oh I see. Those graphs at the bottom are pretty interesting.

[oskar]

No he's not. He's shockingly popular considering his conduct.
People who claim to understand the electoral college say you can theoretically win with 23% of the popular vote... So even if his popularity stays where it is now - I can't think of anything that could happen between now and 2020 where someone who was ok with Trump up to now would change their mind, even with 45% or whatever it is, he can easily win the electoral college. Even if he loses the general election doesn't mean he's out... remember Bush/Gore?