**** Elections thread *****

[MadMojoMonkey]

Can we all just stop and appreciate the dripping irony in this comment coming from this poster?

I understood everything you said. I still think it's an exercise in stupidity

I mean... the monumental lack of self-awareness in this kid is almost a natural wonder.

[spoonitnow]

Help, I Can't Stop Hooking Up With Trump Supporters

https://www.glamour.com/story/hookin...p-voters-essay

When someone asks about my worst hookup, I have plenty of options to choose from, but I inevitably end up telling the same story. It’s the one where I started arguing with a Trump supporter at a bar and then before I knew it, I was waking up the next morning in his bedroom. There were flags everywhere: Ronald Reagan's face was emblazoned on one of them, “Don’t Tread On Me” made an appearance on another. I say it was the “worst” not because the sex was bad, but because, well, see above.

I assumed it was a onetime experiment, but shortly after we ended things I started sleeping with yet another Trumpster who I was inexplicably attracted to. This, I'm sorry to say, was after Trump had secured the nomination, but in my defense I was still pretty certain we were going to elect Hillary Clinton, so I could ignore the fact that this guy's family wore MAGA hats.

[BananaStand]

When someone asks about my worst hookup, I have plenty of options to choose from

What a fucking slut

[BananaStand]

Can we all just stop and appreciate the dripping irony in this comment coming from this poster?

I mean... the monumental lack of self-awareness in this kid is almost a natural wonder.

Oh jeeeezus......here comes the nerd brigade to tell me that because Poop's stat math is technically correct, then it's by definition "not stupid"

Just fuck off man. Even you know that any analysis connecting politics to face-quality is bogus for a zillion reasons, not the least of which that it ignores dozens of demographic factors that are obviously at play.

[wufwugy]

Back when I was a turbo-socialist, I recall there being bunches of studies (reports) about liberals being happier than conservatives. Now I see studies (reports) about conservatives being happier.

I think people are much better at making reality look like they want it to look than they are at making it look like it actually looks.

[Poopadoop]

any analysis connecting politics to face-quality is bogus

My analysis wasn't that the result was bogus, but that it misrepresented the size and thus importance of the effect. A subtle but worthwhile distinction you clearly missed, I'm assuming because you had only the faintest idea what you were reading.

not the least of which that it ignores dozens of demographic factors that are obviously at play.

Maybe if you had started out by stating this you'd be given a bit more credit. But no, you had to start with your standard line which is always a variation of the same old 'zomfg i'm outraged that you said x ...' refrain.

[spoonitnow]

Conservatives are hotter.

Conservative men have more sex with hotter women.

Conservatives make more money.

Conservatives donate more to charity.

Conservatives win more often.

[Poopadoop]

Back when I was a turbo-socialist, I recall there being bunches of studies (reports) about liberals being happier than conservatives. Now I see studies (reports) about conservatives being happier.

I think people are much better at making reality look like they want it to look than they are at making it look like it actually looks.

I don't see those results as contradictory if you assume that people are happier at the times they're side is winning and less so at the times they're losing.

[BananaStand]

My analysis wasn't that the result was bogus, but that it misrepresented the size and thus importance of the effect. A subtle but worthwhile distinction you clearly missed,

False, I did not miss the distinction. My analysis was not only was the result bogus, but your further analysis of "how bogus is it" was simply an exercise in futility. A subtle but worthwhile distinction you clearly missed.

I'm assuming because you had only the faintest idea what you were reading.

Again, I fully understood it. You need to get off your stats-highhorse buddy. You teach nerd skills that have no practical use outside of your little nerd village. No one cares that you can break down the numerical nuances within a study that means dog-shit to begin with.

Maybe if you had started out by stating this you'd be given a bit more credit

Categorically false. Your Banana-derangement syndrome would not let you do that.

But no, you had to start with your standard line which is always a variation of the same old 'zomfg i'm outraged that you said x ...' refrain.

If you read "outrage" in any of my statements, then you're dumber than I thought.

It fills me with despair for the world's youth to know that you're an educator.

[Poopadoop]

^
I'm just going to assume this is some rage mixed with insults.

Banana, you've already shown you don't understand simple concepts like 'averaging over samples'.

Maybe stop trying to act like you understand statistics or science in general.

[BananaStand]

^
I'm just going to assume this is some rage mixed with insults.

Banana, you've already shown you don't understand simple concepts like 'averaging over samples'.

Maybe stop trying to act like you understand statistics or science in general.

If its your goal here to assert yourself as a statistician and me as a non-statistician, then congratulations, you win.

You're still missing the point. Your status as a statistician did absolutely NOTHING to help you glean anything meaningful from the data given.

Keep that abacus greased nerd.

[Poopadoop]

Your status as a statistician did absolutely NOTHING to help you glean anything meaningful from the data given.

It absolutely did, you just don't understand what it was. There's a difference between saying 'this is meaningless because you did it wrong and came to the wrong conclusion' and 'this is meaningless because it confirmed my intuition'.

Of course you're not qualified to make either of those statements, which makes your continued efforts to argue all the more comically absurd.

[BananaStand]

It absolutely did,

only if you live in nerd-village

There's a difference between saying 'this is meaningless because you did it wrong and came to the wrong conclusion' and 'this is meaningless because it confirmed my intuition'.

I actually said neither of those things.

I said "this is meaningless because it's missing so much important and relevant shit". But if you wanna be an ass hole about it, I guess i'll rephrase......"you did it wrong"

[spoonitnow]

There is no cure for a zombie except for two to the head.

[Poopadoop]

only if you live in nerd-village


I actually said neither of those things.

I said "this is meaningless because it's missing so much important and relevant shit". But if you wanna be an ass hole about it, I guess i'll rephrase......"you did it wrong"

Your lack of understanding is just no barrier to you continuing the conversation is it?

My first post on the subject mentioned the issues around what scientists call 'validity' and you call 'something something demographics'.

My second post was a look at the data itself without regard to validity, to see how big the effect was assuming it was valid.

Your argument was the second post was meaningless because you already knew the study was invalid, without even seeing it, but just because you heard a conclusion that ran counter to your own world view.

I know this is deep stuff, but basically what it means is you know next-to-nothing about it and should probably acknowledge that. But I know you won't because then you'd be losing an argument and the chance to keep spewing out the bile. So I'm going to leave it instead.

[BananaStand]

Bye felicia

[wufwugy]

I don't see those results as contradictory if you assume that people are happier at the times they're side is winning and less so at the times they're losing.

Yeah that's a good explanation. I think one thing that informs what people think is the dominant zeitgeist.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Dominant Zeitgeist should be a band name. A drippingly pop music based band that only churns out number1 chart-topping hits.

[BananaStand]

Dominant Zeitgeist should be a band name. A drippingly pop music based band that only churns out number1 chart-topping hits.

Does not compute. I don't think you can play instruments and still make a #1 hit anymore.

[spoonitnow]

Trump 2020

[BananaStand]

Trump 2020

Should be a slam dunk. Though it's not a sure bet. With all this doctor stuff yesterday it sort of 'clicked' in my mind that "holy shit..he's 71"

if I were a gambling man, I would bet my house, my car, and 1.5 kidneys that Trump is NOT the President in 2024

[spoonitnow]

Should be a slam dunk. Though it's not a sure bet. With all this doctor stuff yesterday it sort of 'clicked' in my mind that "holy shit..he's 71"

if I were a gambling man, I would bet my house, my car, and 1.5 kidneys that Trump is NOT the President in 2024

He's not that old as far as presidents are concerned. Moreover, he's in much better mental and physical shape than the average 71-year-old.

Some people just have good genes.

[wufwugy]

he's in much better mental and physical shape than the average 51-year-old.

fixed

[spoonitnow]

fixed

Winning is as winning does.

[BananaStand]

He's not that old as far as presidents are concerned.

He's the oldest ever. WTF you talkin' 'bout?

Moreover, he's in much better mental and physical shape than the average 71-year-old.

Doesn't matter. Being president is fucking hard, and stressful. I'd say Barry had it much easier that Trump likely will and look what 8 years in the oval office did to the man's face. He aged 20 years in 8.

[wufwugy]

He's the oldest ever. WTF you talkin' 'bout?



Doesn't matter. Being president is fucking hard, and stressful. I'd say Barry had it much easier that Trump likely will and look what 8 years in the oval office did to the man's face. He aged 20 years in 8.

Screwing people who love you over can have that effect.

[Poopadoop]

Hard as it is to question the "Trump is Superman" theory based on what the doctor employed by the navy says, but I'd be curious to know just how much of that medical report is fake news.

Like, he's just 1 pound under obese. Hmm, how convenient.

Everything else is working great even though he never exercises and eats fast food. His blood pressure is like that of an 18 year old.

30/30 on the cognitive test even though he routinely goes off on rambling nonsense monologues.

[BananaStand]

Hard as it is to question the "Trump is Superman" theory based on what the doctor employed by the navy says, but I'd be curious to know just how much of that medical report is fake news.

The guy is a massively accomplished physician and served Presidents of both parties. How come this doctor's report wasn't impugned as fake news when he evaluated Obama, who famously smokes like a chimney?

It blows my mind that you and MMM like to impugn my intelligence while simultaneously being so patently fraudulent. Aren't you disgusted with yourself??

Like, he's just 1 pound under obese. Hmm, how convenient.

I see simple statistical principles elude you. Can you explain why you think a result of 1 pound under obese should have a frequency of 0?

Everything else is working great even though he never exercises and eats fast food.

You should get a role as "the catty girl" in a Jenny Craig commercial. "I can't believe she eats that and is still a size 6!! WAAAHHH!"

Jealous much?

His blood pressure is like that of an 18 year old.

I rarely exercise, eat like garbage, chug soda regularly, and my blood pressure, as of last wednesday, is 115/80

30/30 on the cognitive test even though he routinely goes off on rambling nonsense monologues.

Called it! I can definitely be quoted as saying that even if Trump took the test and passed, it wouldn't silence those critical of his mental faculties. So predictably stupid.

[Poopadoop]

Not even going to engage you banana, sorry.

[BananaStand]

Not even going to engage you banana, sorry.

Good. Your position is indefensible anyway

[Poopadoop]

No, the signal-to-noise ratio of intelligent discourse to idiocy and/or abuse is simply too low to make reading your posts worthwhile.

[BananaStand]

No, the signal-to-noise ratio of intelligent discourse to idiocy and/or abuse is simply too low to make reading your posts worthwhile.

Whoa whoa whoa....what happened to...

Not even going to engage you banana, sorry.

Look man, if you're going to be embarassed when your'e called out for posting illogical, indefensible, hopelessly retarded stuff....THEN STOP POSTING ILLOGICAL, INDEFENSIBLE, HOPELESSLY RETARDED STUFF.

If you have a LEGITIMATE reason to doubt the doctor's report.....give it. Otherwise, just know that you're a partisan whine-bag who has demonstrated a continued aversion to any fact that doesn't fit his "trump is retarded" narrative.

[Poopadoop]

lol wat a moron. Tell him you're not even reading what he says and he just says more.

[BananaStand]

Lie about not even reading what he says and he just says more.

Fixed

[spoonitnow]

Called it! I can definitely be quoted as saying that even if Trump took the test and passed, it wouldn't silence those critical of his mental faculties. So predictably stupid.

Russia rigged the physical.

[Poopadoop]

Russia rigged the physical.

So you believe everything the gov't doctor tells you right?

[BananaStand]

So you believe everything the gov't doctor tells you right?

YES! Doesn't his position, accomplishments, and tenure say anything about his ethical integrity???

Do you have ANY reason to doubt this man other than the fact he didn't say the things you wished he would have??

[Poopadoop]

Wuf, I guess this makes you an outlier.

http://www.panderingpoliticians.com/...ientation.html

[lilteBig]

QQQQQQQQQQ WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOP

[wufwugy]

Wuf, I guess this makes you an outlier.

http://www.panderingpoliticians.com/...ientation.html

Funny enough, that was published back when the zeitgeist was all about how the right-wing is stupid. What I've seen since is the opposite claims, that conservatives are smarter. Given the author's explanation for why conservatives are dumber (simple explanations), it makes sense that the opposite could be true now (racist! sexist! bigot! blumpf!).

One way they can both be true is that smart people may identify along with the zeitgeist more than dumb people. I mean, that would be the smart thing to do probably.

Anyways, I tend to take these sorts of things with a grain of salt. From my own study I have found that I think most research outside of the hard sciences are wrought with bias and find unreproducible results.

[spoonitnow]

It’s easy to reproduce the result that socialism is stupid as fuck. They do it every time they try it.

[Poopadoop]

From my own study I have found that I think most research outside of the hard sciences are wrought with bias and find unreproducible results.

Based on an admittedly small sample, I've found that roughly 1/3 conservatives is a decent, intelligent person and 2/3 are toxic morons.

[BananaStand]

Based on an admittedly small sample, I've found that roughly 1/3 conservatives is a decent, intelligent person and 2/3 are toxic morons.

How is that only the conservatives are toxic. yet your passive aggressive BS in this post, coupled with your insane nonsense over the past week about Trump being stupid, and a highly decorated military officer being a total liar is not toxic??

typical.....you just march in circles inside your own echo chamber and expect that EVERYONE has to hate trump, think cops are racist, think women are oppressed, think rich people are evil, and think gays are unassailable.

you can't process the notion that there might be a link between intelligence and success, or that the guy with the ability to stick needles in the president might have been vetted like fucking crazy to make sure his character is far above reproach. Or that maybe not everyone who doesn't think like you is a racist, xenophobic, white supremacist, homophobic, greedy, hateful, evil, villain threatening peace.

[Poopadoop]

....

Sorry my screen went blank when I went to read your post. Seems I forgot to switch the toxic moron filter to 'allowed'. Can you please post it all again? I'm sure it was fascinating.

[BananaStand]

More hypocritical toxicity

Keep proving me right buddy

[Poopadoop]

...

Sorry, filter's still broke. I guess you'll either have to start presenting some cogent arguments without being obnoxious about it or I'll just not be able to discuss anything with you.

[BananaStand]

Sorry, filter's still broke. I guess you'll either have to start presenting some cogent arguments without being obnoxious about it or I'll just not be able to discuss anything with you.

You first. What's your cogent argument for doubting the doctor?

[spoonitnow]

Bernie is getting no-fucking-where for 2020. Him and Elizabeth Warren are going to have a boring as fuck election, and Warren wins the primary. Trump absolutely fucking destroys her, and we go on to another four years of Making America Great Again and again and again and again.

[wufwugy]

Based on an admittedly small sample, I've found that roughly 1/3 conservatives is a decent, intelligent person and 2/3 are toxic morons.

roflol

[spoonitnow]

roflol

Way ahead of the national average. We win at everything.

[Poopadoop]

You first. What's your cogent argument for doubting the doctor?

First, we can start with the fact that he works for Trump and so has a vested career interest in saying things that put him in the best possible light. Right from that, we can assume anything he says is best taken with a huge grain of salt.

Second, he calls a man who eats fast food, doesn't exercise, has high cholesterol and is one pound short of obese "in excellent health."

Third, he claims that had Trump eaten properly and exercised he could have lived to 200 years. When you say something this absurd you raise doubts about your credibility as a serious doctor.

Fourth, he claims to know that Trump is not only fit to be president, but will remain so for 'years to come'. So, apparently he got his degree from Nostradamus U.

Fifth, he claims on the basis of a single two-minute cognitive test that Trump did 'exceedingly well' in that category.

Sixth, he basically brushed off all questions about Trump's mental problems, rambling nonsense interviews and other clear mental fails (such as losing his way to the limo parked right in front of him or wandering off at meetings) with some anecdotes about how sharp Trump appears to him. So his so-called "professional" opinion based on one short test and his own eyes is that Trump is sharp as a tack.

[wufwugy]

Wasn't he hired by Obama?

[Poopadoop]

Wasn't he hired by Obama?

That's not really relevant unless you assume Obama is still signing his paychecks.

He got hired by 'the government' to be an official propoganda tool for whoever is president. He's not going to look at a test and go 'holy fuck this guy is [insert medical problem here].

None of JFK's 'doctors' ever felt it necessary to mention his Addison's disease, even though it was clearly apparent to all of them. None of Reagan's doctors ever felt his clear signs of mental decline were worthy of acknowledgement.

Taking an 'official' doctor at his word suggests a naivete that I can only assume one would either just pretend to hold for the sake of trolling, or because they aren't very savvy about the world and its workings.

[Poopadoop]

Regardless of who the president is, it's pretty obvious it's in the best interests of both him and probably the nation as a whole that he be reported to be in good health. Can you imagine a president's doctor coming out and saying 'hey, this guy's body is a wreck'. Just think about what would happen if he did say that.

It's like Hillary's doctor after she collapsed during the campaign ' oh yeah she's fit as a fiddle, just a little flu or whatever blah blah blah'.

Or when Reagan got shot and almost died, and the official story in the hours afterwards was 'he's doing fine, nothing to worry about folks.'

[spoonitnow]

When you're a very stable genius, you do apparently spend two minutes for a 30-point cognitive assessment, score a perfect 30/30 taking an average of four seconds per point and are still said to have mental issues by bozos on the Internet who aren't qualified to even take a dump in the same building as the man.

It's not an intelligence test. It's a cognitive assessment. It checks to see if you have dementia and shit.

[BananaStand]

First, we can start with the fact that he works for Trump

This is just wrong. He works for the US government. He's been the whitehouse doctor for 12 years. He's exceeding qualified. I'll let you go look up his credentials. I'm not going to dignify your idiocy by giving you facts that you'll likely ignore anyway. Just know that this very first statement you're making is categorically false, and shamefully uninformed.

and so has a vested career interest in saying things that put him in the best possible light.

False again. He is a medical professional bound by ethical standards and oaths. he has a vested career interest in being honest and truthful. the guy has been WH doctor for three different presidents from two different parties. There's no reason to think he won't be the Dr for the next president, who may or may not align with Trump. If the next POTUS doesn't align with Trump, what happens to the Dr's career if there is any suspicion that the Dr is partisan??

Right from that, we can assume anything he says is best taken with a huge grain of salt.

This cynicism can't be real. You absolutely must be trolling.

Second, he calls a man who eats fast food, doesn't exercise, has high cholesterol and is one pound short of obese "in excellent health."

Yup. Do you know alot of 71 year olds in better health than Trump? He's clearly in a high percentile.

Third, he claims that had Trump eaten properly and exercised he could have lived to 200 years. When you say something this absurd you raise doubts about your credibility as a serious doctor.

He said "might have", and was clearly speaking hyperbolicly as a means to emphasize his findings of "overall excellent health". That's what hyperbole is. It's an exaggerated statement used to make a point. It's a perfectly valid literary device, which I'm sure is lost on a math nerd like yourself. If you're taking "200 years" literally, and using it to impugn the doctor's integrity, you're just being childish.

Fourth, he claims to know that Trump is not only fit to be president, but will remain so for 'years to come'. So, apparently he got his degree from Nostradamus U.

Physicians screen for signs of oncoming disease. In the absence of those signs, it's reasonable to assume that no disease is oncoming.

Fifth, he claims on the basis of a single two-minute cognitive test that Trump did 'exceedingly well' in that category

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yet another factual inaccuracy used to color an opinion you prefer to hold. The test takes a full ten minutes. I'll let you go back and look up the details to correct the record here. It's called the Montreal Cognitive Test

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018...test-would-do/

The cognitive test on which Donald Trump received a perfect score is considered a good screening tool for mental decline in an otherwise healthy person, medical experts said.

Sixth, he basically brushed off all questions about Trump's mental problems

He talked for an hour and answered every single question.

rambling nonsense interviews and other clear mental fails (such as losing his way to the limo parked right in front of him or wandering off at meetings) with some anecdotes about how sharp Trump appears to him.

you've never forgotten where you parked? you've never brain-farted and done something uncharacteristically dumb?? I'll bet if you spent your entire life in the public eye, I could string together a pretty good highlight reel of your mental fails that makes you look like a fucking retard. But if I did that while simultaneously ignoring a lifetime of work that reflects an incredible acumen....I'd be a fucking retard.

So his so-called "professional" opinion based on one short test and his own eyes is that Trump is sharp as a tack.

The entire medical community agrees that the test is sound. What qualifies you to challenge its findings?

[Poopadoop]

When you're a very stable genius, you do apparently spend two minutes for a 30-point cognitive abilities assessment, score a perfect 30/30 taking an average of four seconds per point and are still said to have mental issues by bozos on the Internet who aren't qualified to even take a dump in the same building as the man.

Pfft.

For all we know, he ordered the doctor to do the test for him. Then added a couple of points to the score.

[spoonitnow]

Pfft.

For all we know, he ordered the doctor to do the test for him. Then added a couple of points to the score.

Oh okay.

[BananaStand]

For all we know, he ordered the doctor to do the test for him. Then added a couple of points to the score.

This is why it's impossible to have intellectual discourse with you. As long as you're saying this shit, you're gonna get called out for being a retard.

you still haven't given a single reason why you believe this, other than you really really really want it to be true. You're like a child screaming "i want ice cream for dinner" and just won't take no for an answer. The only way to deal with you is to let you tire yourself out and fall asleep.

[Poopadoop]

...

There's no way in hell a president is getting a bad grade on a physical. It doesn't matter how many degrees his doctor has or how good his CV is. When a doctor signs on for that job, he's doing it with the understanding that he's going to be an official gov't shill, no more or no less.

You can argue all you want about how 'good' his results are. It doesn't matter since if they weren't good they'd be altered to look good, and so there's no reason to take the report seriously at all.

[Poopadoop]

Oh okay.

Well I'm half-joking but really I wouldn't put it past the guy.

[BananaStand]

There's no way in hell a president is getting a bad grade on a physical.

False. Even Trump's report contained many areas of concern and recommendations for improvement.

Bill Clinton's health was an ongoing concern throughout his presidency.

Reagan was diagnosed with a cancerous polyp while in office.

In terms of "overall health", I just don't see any way that a person who is not in "overall excellent health" could even become President in the first place.

[Poopadoop]

False. Even Trump's report contained many areas of concern and recommendations for improvement.

They have to make it sound plausible. They can't just say 'everyting's perfect' because only the stupidest person would believe that when a 71 year old guy is borderline obese, eats fast food and never exercises.

Bill Clinton's health was an ongoing concern throughout his presidency.

I'm sure it was on Fox News. The only thing I remember hearing is that his cholesterol was high. Could be wrong though. Maybe you can find the medical reports that show this ongoing concern.

Reagan was diagnosed with a cancerous polyp while in office.

That was removed and so no threat. I mean if the guy has to have surgery it's kinda hard to hide that. What are they going to say, he's having his tonsils out?

Also, wasn't Reagan declared mentally fit in the exam during his 2nd term? The guy wasn't mentally fit, he needed cue cards to talk to people on the phone.

In terms of "overall health", I just don't see any way that a person who is not in "overall excellent health" could even become President in the first place.

Really.

FDR.

JFK.

Reagan term 2.

Oh, and don't forget Harrison who died a month after taking office.


Anyways the question isn't really about the fact that Trump's got bad lifestyle habits and is overweight - that much is well known.

The question is whether he's got all his faculties. And a single test is not going to tell you that, assuming it would even be reported honestly if the results were indicative of cognitive decline.

Don't forget what prompted Trump to set up this medical in the first place. He wanted to prove he was mentally fit. Now, on the basis of one test that may or may not have been reported honestly, we're meant to believe that he is, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

[Poopadoop]

Lol, just heard that Trump used to be 6'2" but in this medical is 6'3". Guess that explains how he kept from being diagnosed as obese.

[OngBonga]

Someone go through the old posts to see what poop was saying when I was pointing out how unfit for office HRC was during the campaign. I wanna know if he's a libtard hypocrite.

[OngBonga]

despite all the evidence to the contrary

You do realise he's in better shape physically and mentally than most 71 y/o's who by now have retired?

This really is desperation.

[BananaStand]

They have to make it sound plausible. They can't just say 'everyting's perfect' because only the stupidest person would believe that when a 71 year old guy is borderline obese, eats fast food and never exercises.

It sounds plausible....because it is plausible.

I'm sure it was on Fox News. The only thing I remember hearing is that his cholesterol was high. Could be wrong though. Maybe you can find the medical reports that show this ongoing concern.

Fox News wasn't a thing back then. You don't remember his morning jogs being televised? You don't remember all the SNL skits where Phil Hartman (playing Clinton) jogged to a fast food restaurant and then commented on world affairs with a mouth full of burgers and fries?

That was removed and so no threat. I mean if the guy has to have surgery it's kinda hard to hide that. What are they going to say, he's having his tonsils out?

If it's so easy to get doctors to lie, for no other reason than to fool the press, then why not say he's getting his tonsils out??

Also, wasn't Reagan declared mentally fit in the exam during his 2nd term?

Source?

FDR.

Died fucking his side-piece. Obviously he was spry right up until the end.

JFK.

Had a different side-piece every day. Obviously he was spry right up until the end.

Reagan term 2.

Still waiting on a source on this. But considering how well term 1 went, he couldn't have been degrading too fast.

Oh, and don't forget Harrison who died a month after taking office.

That was 100 years ago.

Anyways the question isn't really about the fact that Trump's got bad lifestyle habits and is overweight - that much is well known.

Doesn't really stop you from shitting all over him for it.

The question is whether he's got all his faculties

It's hard to give that question any credibility when it's ONLY being asked by his political enemies.

And a single test is not going to tell you that

Actually yes it is. That's what the test is for. That's why they made the test.

assuming it would even be reported honestly if the results were indicative of cognitive decline.

Ass hole.

Don't forget what prompted Trump to set up this medical in the first place

Ass holes like you.

He wanted to prove he was mentally fit.

And he did.

Now, on the basis of one test

One test that every medical professional who's commented on this, agrees is sound and valid.

that may or may not have been reported honestly

So you wanted the test. He took the test. He passed the test. So now the test must be a lie????

, we're meant to believe that he is,

We're meant to believe the truth.

despite all the evidence to the contrary.

What evidence is that?? It seems that you're watching Trump blooper reels and saying "INSANE". Meanwhile a highly decorated, enormously credentialed, thoroughly vetted, experienced, medical professional and war veteran used sound scientific testing that is universally accepted among the medical community as reliable and valid.

Why is your evidence so much better than his?

[BananaStand]

Lol, just heard that Trump used to be 6'2" but in this medical is 6'3". Guess that explains how he kept from being diagnosed as obese.

You're a stats guy right? Why don't you go and check out the t, p, z, mean, standard deviation or whatever between the actual height of NY's citizens and what's reported on their driver's licenses.

It's also a well documented medical phenomenon that your height can change through spine compression even within a single day.

+/- 1 inch isn't blowing anybody's hair back.

Also....let's say he was 6'2" and was technically a hair over the 'obese' line. How does that change a damn fucking thing?

[BananaStand]

This really is desperation.

You mean delusion

[OngBonga]

Your a stats guy right?

Spoon really is a fucking fantastic troll. He never breaks character.

[Poopadoop]

Someone go through the old posts to see what poop was saying when I was pointing out how unfit for office HRC was during the campaign. I wanna know if he's a libtard hypocrite.

Some of my first posts on here were about how Hillary likely had neurological problems. Should be pretty easy to find. After that you can apologize.

[Poopadoop]

You do realise he's in better shape physically and mentally than most 71 y/o's who by now have retired?

Based on what the gov't doctors tell you? Since when are you so trusting of authority?

And yea, my grandpa was in good mental shape for a 92 year old. Doesn't mean I'd have trusted him to make important decisions based on whatever information he could manage to take in.

[Poopadoop]

I mean, whatever. You guys obviously prefer to believe what you want to believe and now you have 'medical' evidence that says Trump is mentally competent. Ok then whatever.

[BananaStand]

I mean, whatever. You guys obviously prefer to believe what you want to believe and now you have 'medical' evidence that says Trump is mentally competent. Ok then whatever.

what would it take to convince you? Explain what evidence could be presented that would finally get you to admit that the guy is healthy, sane, and intelligent.

[BananaStand]

And yea, my grandpa was in good mental shape for a 92 year old. Doesn't mean I'd have trusted him to make important decisions based on whatever information he could manage to take in.

If your grandpa spent a year and a half running a successful presidential campaign, complete with speeches, debates, and constant media scrutiny, and then spent the following year fulfilling campaign promises, managing legislative successes, and presiding over a massive economic boom.....you still wouldn't trust him? Just cause he's old?