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Originally Posted by OngBonga
It's only such a problem to you because you allow yourself to be consumed by contempt for those who refuse to work
Contempt for those who take without deserving it, thus diminishing the amount of benefits payable to those who DO deserve it, is natural.
Do you have contempt for able-bodied people who park in handicap spaces just to avoid a longer walk to the door? That's exactly what you're doing, and it's an asshole move.
Originally Posted by OngBonga
You're making the asusmption that I have an obligation to contribute to society. I don't, no more than I am obliged to bet when I have +ev.
It's sad that you think that way. Really sad. But truly, how do you not feel you have an obligation? Public schools teach people to read and write. Police departments keep people from breaking into your house at night and butt-raping you. Intelligence agencies keep you from being blown up by terrorists. Armies keep you from being invaded and enslaved. Your life would be drastically different if there were no streets, power lines, or sewers.
None of those things exist without a government for the people, of the people, and by the people. What makes you exempt from participation?
Originally Posted by OngBonga
You go further. Not only am I obliged to work to pay tax, I am also obliged to consume..
You're not obliged to do anything. I merely assumed you would consume. Do you like food? Clothing? Electricity? Internet access? By all means, if you'd rather starve naked in the dark, than spend your hard-earned paycheck, be my guest.
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Do you not see the problem here? In your world, a baby is a future taxpayer and consumer.
How is it that babies grow into people only in "my world". What happens to babies in 'your world'?
Originally Posted by OngBonga
That's a very bleak world, one in which I don't want to live.
I don't want to live in your world where babies stay the same age forever. That place sounds seriously fucked up.
Originally Posted by OngBonga
That means over 30% don't.
Ever consider what's keeping them down? The three biggest predictors of poverty are 1) dropping out of high school, 2) having a baby out of wedlock, and 3) having a baby before age 21. Which begs the question....how are these people getting the idea that having a baby is a way to make money. It's most obviously a way to get poor.
Originally Posted by OngBonga
And by what standard is this statistic measured? What does "out of that quintile" mean? Working for minimum wage?
It means they ascend out of the bottom 20%. What's hard to understand here?
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I mean what do you really want from me? Who do you suppose is conducting polls around the streets of Britian, asking women with pushchairs if they had kids just so they could claim benefits?
If it's such a significant number, shouldn't there be data to support it? You think no one has ever conducted a survey asking "why did you have kids?".
https://wehavekids.com/misc/Most-Com...-Want-Children
There's ten common reasons.....none of them are "paycheck"
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