What I meant by subservient is that it would be akin to saying 'here's the guy you asked for, sir'. Not a good move.
Basically, by saying what he did, Donald just guaranteed Farage will never get the job. His chances went from < 1% to 0.
11-22-2016 02:27 PM
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What I meant by subservient is that it would be akin to saying 'here's the guy you asked for, sir'. Not a good move. | |
11-22-2016 02:29 PM
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11-22-2016 02:29 PM
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You're just talking out of your arse now. Have you stolen my weed? | |
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11-22-2016 02:30 PM
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11-22-2016 02:34 PM
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11-22-2016 02:37 PM
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11-22-2016 02:40 PM
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What I would love to see the May gov't do now is make a statement recommending some democrat be appointed US ambassador in London. | |
11-22-2016 02:45 PM
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I have to give Trump credit for one thing: His last little speech he put on twitter actually sounded pretty reasonable for the most part. | |
11-22-2016 03:09 PM
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I totally get your position on this. Trump is asserting dominance. I wouldn't ask a member of the UK to like it. However, implicit in what Trump said is that the UK will get a better deal overall by making Farage the US liaison. This puts May and fam in a pickle. I think it actually raises the probability that Farage gets the post, because, let's be honest, there ain't no way he would get it otherwise. |
11-22-2016 03:14 PM
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Farage could even be thought of as a golden goose for the UK regarding Trump. The UK is in a position more than probably any other country to benefit by the actions of the Trump presidency. Trump likes Brexit, he likes Farage, he wants to renegotiate trade....guess who he's gonna wanna trade a good deal more with? The UK. That also is what you guys want. Farage as ambassador could be very important in deepening trade ties between the US and UK. |
11-22-2016 03:27 PM
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UK loves The Nige Man. How do I know? Because there have been fewer greater burns in all politics than: "You have the charisma of a damp rag and the appearance of a low-grade bank clerk. The question I wanna ask is 'who are you?'" |
11-22-2016 04:51 PM
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11-22-2016 05:13 PM
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11-22-2016 05:19 PM
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Lol Farage is not going to be the ambassador. Wuf you are living in a bigly dream world. | |
11-22-2016 05:41 PM
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Trump, the guy who has to fight ISIS, is now engaged in a twitter beef with the cast of some Broadway musical. Talk about priorities. | |
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11-22-2016 05:52 PM
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ITT a Canadian knows who the British public loves more than the British do. | |
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11-22-2016 05:54 PM
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11-22-2016 05:58 PM
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It's a good job elections aren't popularity contests. | |
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11-22-2016 05:59 PM
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Since when? | |
11-22-2016 06:04 PM
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It's a good job I'm not the only person who likes Farage. | |
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11-22-2016 06:07 PM
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Ok Ong he's a national hero. You win. | |
11-22-2016 06:08 PM
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I think he might actually be. Certainly he is with those who voted to leave the EU, which, might I remind you, was over half of those who bothered to vote. | |
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11-22-2016 06:13 PM
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I reckon more people in England like Farage more than Andy Murray. | |
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11-22-2016 06:13 PM
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Yes because the only reason they voted Brexit was because Farage the UKIP leader was pushing it, nothing else. | |
11-22-2016 06:18 PM
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11-22-2016 06:44 PM
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Once again, poop confusing popularity with electoral success. | |
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11-22-2016 06:53 PM
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Most of the people who voted to leave didn't do so due to Nige and I don't think they give him any credit due to his role in getting brexit to a referendum. Most of those voters voted for a change from the status quo, the fact that that change happened to be brexit is irrelevant. | |
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11-22-2016 07:03 PM
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I know, it's crazy right? Judging a politician's popularity by how many people vote for him! Next I'll be judging a car model's popularity by how many they sell in a year... | |
Last edited by Poopadoop; 11-22-2016 at 07:07 PM. | |
11-22-2016 07:30 PM
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So this was two years ago, well before Brexit happened... | |
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11-22-2016 07:32 PM
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The Huff claim Corbyn is "as unpopular as Farage". | |
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11-22-2016 07:33 PM
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I'm telling you this... if Nige was Tory leader, he'd be PM with a huge majority. None of this hung parliament bullshit. | |
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11-22-2016 07:48 PM
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11-22-2016 08:13 PM
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11-23-2016 07:26 AM
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...rld_b-gdnworld | |
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11-23-2016 11:30 AM
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11-23-2016 11:34 AM
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Part of why he does this is because it discredits the media. Every day in the media is a "new twitter scandal" regarding Trump, which is exactly the way Trump wants it since it keeps the media from covering anything meaningful and in the rare event that the media do, they'll not have much credibility. |
11-23-2016 11:42 AM
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This needs to happen. |
Last edited by wufwugy; 11-23-2016 at 11:52 AM. | |
11-23-2016 11:51 AM
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11-23-2016 11:57 AM
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If I'm Trump I would punish the UK ruling party if they didn't make Farage ambassador. It could be done with things like "accidentally" missing a meeting with the actual ambassador and instead having lunch with my best bud Nigel. This would be embarrassing for the ruling party in the UK and also somewhat for the citizens, but it would not be embarrassing at all for the US because we're pretty egocentric and Trump supporters love Nige. |
11-23-2016 12:04 PM
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^^That exact scenario probably wouldn't work because it would possibly be embarrassing for Farage since he could be painted as complicit in undermining the UK government. But it's a type of thing that can be implicitly alluded to before the ambassador is chosen. |
11-23-2016 02:19 PM
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Best thing for UK would be if May had a quiet word with Farage and suggested that he leave UKIP and join the Tories . He could then conveniently be put in charge of negotiating the trade deal with USA.Down the line after the trade deal is done and the current US ambassador retires/leaves/dies he could then be considered for the post. UK can't start discussing trade deals whilst we are still part of Europe and I presume we can only start negotiating trade deals worldwide once article 50 is triggered in March. |
11-23-2016 02:45 PM
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What amuses me about this poll is that it implies the British public despise a spineless weasel (Clegg) more than both a lying war criminal (Blair), and a one eyed villain who sold all of our gold at rock bottom prices (Brown). | |
Last edited by OngBonga; 11-23-2016 at 02:47 PM. | |
11-23-2016 05:35 PM
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11-23-2016 05:40 PM
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Or he gets fired. I'm sure it's pretty easy to fire an ambassador, given the sensetive nature of the job. I would hope it can be done purely on the whim of the Prime Minister. | |
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11-23-2016 05:41 PM
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Craig Murray got fired because he tried to blow the whistle on UK government knowledge of, and use of intelligence from, torture chambers in Uzbekistan. All an ambassador needs to do to lose his job is to not be in line with current foreign policy. | |
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11-23-2016 06:04 PM
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I actually gave this some thought before responding to this point, because I wasn't really sure if I agreed or not. I don't think I do. | |
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11-23-2016 06:17 PM
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I would also argue that previous Prime Ministers have made acts that are indicative of obedience, such as Blair joining Bush in Iraq. Of course, it can be seen as an act of solidarity, too. How do you think Bush perceived it? | |
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11-23-2016 06:18 PM
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It would only be "compliance" and "obedience" if the UK governing party didn't negotiate well and didn't get good out of the deal. Yeah, if they appoint Farage because Trump asked, that's dumb. But if they as a piece of a larger strategy, it would be smart. |
11-23-2016 06:20 PM
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Good points. This could actually be very good for the Tories since they could flat out tell Farage he gets the ambassadorship if he switches parties. Granted I don't know UK politics well enough to know if they or Farage would want that. If they did want it, though, it would be very good for them. |
11-23-2016 06:25 PM
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I didn't pay attention to politics back then, so I can't say. |
Last edited by wufwugy; 11-23-2016 at 06:51 PM. | |
11-23-2016 06:42 PM
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Y'all want the Nige man reppin' UK 'round these parts. Trump supporters like Based Uncle Nigel so much that if he ran for US president in 2024, half of us would probably vote for him even though he's ineligible. |
11-23-2016 06:44 PM
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There's all kinds of fallout from sacking an ambassador 'on a whim'. That's why it doesn't happen. Unless they guy is clearly ineffective e.g. because he's acting independently of orders, or he totally hates the country he's in and resigns, or he's a drunk, or w/e, and/or the host country foreign minister (or w/e the US equivalent is) says 'i can't work with this guy, please send someone else', he ain't getting fired. And certainly not for Farage lol. | |
11-23-2016 06:53 PM
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Exactly why it isn't done. It's actually demeaning to the visiting country. If, for one of the good reasons I stated in the above post, the current guy was seen as inappropriate to the post, he could be replaced. But just saying 'we'd prefer you sacked this guy and sent someone on our wavelength, never mind that he's not on your wavelength' and thinking we will do it, is just delusional. | |
11-23-2016 07:01 PM
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Bush probably viewed it as an act of friendship. The British public certainly viewed it as obedience (you might recall the phrase 'Bush's poodle'). I don't expect history to have Blair listed among the great British PMs. | |
11-23-2016 07:03 PM
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11-23-2016 07:06 PM
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11-23-2016 07:07 PM
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11-23-2016 07:10 PM
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11-23-2016 07:13 PM
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It happens. Check out the guy I mentioned. The government need only cite "national interest" as the reason, and the ambassador can do jack about it. The best he can hope for is his contract to be paid up in full. That's if he's lucky and they don't try to throw some dirt at him. | |
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11-23-2016 07:14 PM
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11-23-2016 07:18 PM
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11-23-2016 07:22 PM
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11-23-2016 07:25 PM
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11-23-2016 07:27 PM
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I'm not referring to the conspiracy side of things. The footage of him at a school being told the attacks were under way demonstrated a very weak leader. His credibility was destroyed right there. | |
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11-23-2016 07:45 PM
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I lived in the US in 2001-2 and he did look pretty goofy in that moment. But he actually recovered pretty well iirc, he made a pretty good speech that night and gave the public what they wanted to hear. His approval ratings were still > 50% at least when the war in Iraq started. | |
11-23-2016 07:50 PM
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I understand it's at the PM's discretion, but I don't think replacing someone is as simple as it sounds. They still have to think of the voter's perceptions. Chances are, pretty much no-one gives a shit who the ambassador to Uzbekistan is. Ambassador to the US is a different story. | |
11-25-2016 08:59 PM
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Trump won WI by 27k votes and it's being recounted. He lost NH by 3k votes and it's not being recounted. |
11-25-2016 09:02 PM
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The irony is that Trump is by far the most left Republican nominee in history. You'd think they'd be happy. Nope, they want Bolshevism instead. |
11-25-2016 09:11 PM
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Mr. Savy was right |
11-26-2016 09:27 AM
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11-26-2016 09:30 AM
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in b4 "This is a brilliant ploy to deflect attention from his lawsuits, shitty appointments, and business conflicts of interest." | |
11-26-2016 11:44 AM
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Lots of people don't pay attention to the hoaxing media, so we get news like Castro dying from people we follow on twitter and such. |
11-26-2016 11:59 AM
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As for the brilliant ploy aspect of it, GOP Cuban voters are very important in key state Florida. Hoaxing media non-stop attacks everything Trump says. This puts the hoaxing media in a situation where they have to either make Trump look good by being actual journalists, or they can make Trump look even better by defending Castro and such. The word is the latter has been happening. |
11-26-2016 12:04 PM
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11-26-2016 12:10 PM
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