Wish I had a fear-mongering Trump bingo card or drinking game. I'd be hammered from murderers and drug lords alone. I'd be dead if I included radical terrorists.
10-09-2016 09:48 PM
#2776
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Wish I had a fear-mongering Trump bingo card or drinking game. I'd be hammered from murderers and drug lords alone. I'd be dead if I included radical terrorists. | |
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10-09-2016 10:01 PM
#2777
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Is it fear-mongering when it's true? |
10-09-2016 10:02 PM
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This is a serious ass blasting. She's got nothing. |
10-09-2016 10:10 PM
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Politics feels like rooting for the sports team you picked up as a kid regardless of changing tides. I agree with your first sentence but replace she with he. He hasn't said a single fact. It's been generalized attacks, "she's a disasta, a real disasta, she's done nothing, a disasta." I'm embarrassed for him. | |
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10-09-2016 10:12 PM
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10-09-2016 10:16 PM
#2781
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When it comes to Syria, he nailed her. In the pussy. | |
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10-09-2016 10:18 PM
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10-09-2016 10:21 PM
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There is very good reason to believe that opening the doors to Syrian so-called refugees would create a serious danger of terrorism. Politicians have said flat out that they can't vet them and IIRC the ratio of young male "refugees" is far greater than women and children. There are definitely bad motives involved. Definitely many who just want to come in here and provide no value and get benefits, and some who are looking to undermine the country and the people and do some killing. |
10-09-2016 10:22 PM
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10-09-2016 10:24 PM
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10-09-2016 10:27 PM
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That "good reason" boils down to fear and xenophobia imo. A few bad apples shouldn't prevent thousands of people from getting help from a nation who can help them. Also, terrorism isn't a threat. Your drive to the grocery store today is tremendously more risky, statistically, than letting in 65K Syrians. This "terrorism threat" is nothing short of fear-mongering and sensationalism to scare the simple minded people who fear a religion they don't understand. | |
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10-09-2016 10:28 PM
#2787
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10-09-2016 10:28 PM
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10-09-2016 10:30 PM
#2789
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10-09-2016 10:30 PM
#2790
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It's not a few bad apples. It's many, many bad apples. |
10-09-2016 10:34 PM
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I'd be interested to see the numbers for money lost to people gaming Welfare vs people gaming the tax system (i.e. recent Trump tax revelations.) | |
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10-09-2016 10:37 PM
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10-09-2016 10:48 PM
#2793
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I wish there was a section of the debates that address the topics that are foundational to a country's growth and prosperity instead of this Twitter-like flavor of the minute Q&A. I want to hear something substantial from Trump on how he wants to approach education, infrastructure investment, etc and hold him accountable for something more concrete than "People are gonna get the best education, I love education, I'm great at education!" | |
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10-09-2016 10:52 PM
#2794
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On a lighter note, this twitter feed has brightened my morning: https://twitter.com/Papapishu | |
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10-10-2016 01:31 AM
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bigred, many people who are ignorant of Islam have a "not in my neighborhood metnality" view of things. This for sure is true. Interestingly though many who are ignorant of Islam have a "it's just another religion, and all religions have good and bad" view of things. | |
10-10-2016 03:22 AM
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Where did I appeal to cultural relativism? I'm assuming with my FYP on Wufwugy but that's more of a religion generalization than relativism. | |
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10-10-2016 04:07 AM
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Just started watching the replay: I see Trump's got a mike that sniffs again. | |
10-10-2016 05:25 AM
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Meh, pretty dull debate. No bombs dropped. No clear winner. zzzzzzz | |
10-10-2016 04:13 PM
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I didn't intend to discuss welfare in terms of gaming, but instead as being a burden to society due to its disincentives for beneficiaries to produce. Before welfare was a thing, immigrants had little choice but to become responsible and productive, and over time we saw all sorts of poor immigrant groups rise up. With the existence of welfare, that is much more rare, especially when the immigration is from cultures that never embraced the Protestant work ethic or Enlightenment principles that are at the backbone of American history and culture. |
10-10-2016 04:40 PM
#2800
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10-10-2016 05:07 PM
#2801
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Lots of reports that the GOP is actively sabotaging Trump GOTV |
10-10-2016 05:18 PM
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Does that lose him the election? I've been under the impression no one wanted him at any point in the race. Does anything they do hurt him seriously or is it just something to take up the headlines for a bit. |
10-10-2016 05:21 PM
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10-10-2016 05:34 PM
#2804
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Why nominate him, then try to throw the election just to prove an outsider can't win? Why tarnish their own party that way? Wouldn't they rather have a candidate who could become president? Makes no sense. | |
10-10-2016 05:35 PM
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It probably helps him gain more supporters, but probably hurts their ability to vote. The recent reports involve the GOP with a suspiciously low new registrants and sending Trump supporters away. |
10-10-2016 05:44 PM
#2806
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Because the other option was Ted Cruz, a man they loathe more than Satan. They knew what they were getting with Cruz: the boot. They believed/hoped Trump would be more "reasonable." |
10-10-2016 05:48 PM
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10-10-2016 05:53 PM
#2808
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It's been all over the place. Most of the what's happened so far was before he got the nomination. He got boatloads of negative comments from RNC before then. He started getting some positive comments from them when it was Trump vs Cruz. Then the pattern continued after he beat Cruz. |
10-10-2016 05:55 PM
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@Wuf: I wish I didn't have to say it, but I refuse to let your ethnocentric BS go unchecked when you're literally vilifying 1/3 of all the people. When you talk about Islam, you are a bigot, a base hater. | |
10-10-2016 06:14 PM
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My focus is on political Islam. It has an agenda no less grotesque than the worst you've ever read about. Most Muslims are good people and don't agree with this agenda, which is why the most devout followers of Muhammad are slaughtering them. |
Last edited by wufwugy; 10-10-2016 at 06:18 PM. | |
10-10-2016 06:17 PM
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If swallowing the red pill sounds like a good idea, I'd start by watching some interviews with Gad Saad. He's one of the few academics who speaks out on this issue. |
10-10-2016 07:05 PM
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This relentless misuse of the word bigot gets on my tits, and I'm gonna pull mojo up on it. | |
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10-10-2016 07:07 PM
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Point being... most people who use the word "bigot" as critisism, it's usually an act of bigotry in its own right. | |
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10-10-2016 07:21 PM
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Save the defensive narrative; I don't care what excuses you've justified for you to pretend that people in other places are so much worse than people in your place. I.e. I don't care what motivates you to be a bigot and a hater, and I'm certainly not going to entertain your arguments pretending that what you said was anything but bigotry and hatred. | |
10-10-2016 07:26 PM
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No. I'm not hating on wuf because of stuff "people like wuf" do that I heard about. I'm not saying that all people like wuf are bad and should be hated upon or have their lifestyle externally altered in an altogether unpleasant way. | |
10-10-2016 07:32 PM
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No. Again. I'm not being prejudiced. I am not hating on wuf for some aspect of his life over which he has little or no effective control. | |
10-10-2016 07:45 PM
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Mojo I'm sick of bigots like you telling other bigots to stop being bigots. Intolerant cunt. | |
10-10-2016 07:46 PM
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Oh wait, I think I just became a bigot. Fuck. | |
10-10-2016 07:48 PM
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My question for Wuf is this: | |
10-10-2016 09:14 PM
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I liked when hillary said muhammad ali was a muslim | |
10-10-2016 11:45 PM
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MMM, you're being unreasonable here. | |
10-10-2016 11:51 PM
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Fun thought experiment on the topic: | |
10-10-2016 11:58 PM
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I'll hop in here if I may. | |
10-11-2016 07:30 AM
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10-11-2016 09:43 AM
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I'm not jumping on bigotry. I endorse bigotry against some groups, e.g. murderers. | |
10-11-2016 09:49 AM
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10-11-2016 09:56 AM
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10-11-2016 09:57 AM
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Right, but you didn't engage with the ideas. You overtly said as much. You decided that certain concepts cannot be reached but by (the bad kind of) bigotry, and so you refused to hear any possible reasoning as to challenge this assertion. | |
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10-11-2016 09:58 AM
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10-11-2016 10:01 AM
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10-11-2016 10:05 AM
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For the record, I don't think wuf & boost's views are racist. | |
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10-11-2016 11:12 AM
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Oh, really? | |
10-11-2016 11:12 AM
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10-11-2016 12:01 PM
#2834
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MMM said the stuff for me. | |
10-11-2016 12:37 PM
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Intolerance of bigotry is not bigotry, it's criticism. | |
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10-11-2016 12:49 PM
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Intolerance and critisism are not the same thing. | |
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10-11-2016 02:02 PM
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Exactly, just like bigotry against a group of people and the intolerance of it aren't. | |
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10-11-2016 02:52 PM
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Intolerance of a group of people though, that is bigotry. | |
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10-11-2016 03:39 PM
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It's just an argument about semantics, and it's stupid. It was obvious what he meant and also obvious that you're trolling. | |
10-11-2016 06:44 PM
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I'm very happy you said this. |
10-11-2016 06:55 PM
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I was a vociferous defender of Islam as a peaceful ideology. I didn't know anything about Islam, but I believed the common narrative in the West. |
10-11-2016 07:07 PM
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So given how determined these people are to come and kill all of us infidels, why are they so poor at executing? Why aren't we seeing terrorist attacks on a daily basis, or at least weekly, or at least monthly, in the US? If > 10% of them are radical fanatics who think we should all die (and their own people who aren't radical fanatics should also die), and are happy to lose their own lives to make that happen, then that's at least 600 million terrorists who are completely failing at their purpose in life according to you. | |
10-11-2016 07:11 PM
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Food for thought: when "freedom of religion" was established, the only "religion" was Christianity. Americans back then didn't think of religion the way we do today. They were virtually 100% Christian, to the point that the most extreme "non-Christian" types were the Rationalists, who still believed in the Christian God but that he didn't intervene in the human world. This was such an extreme belief that they were thought of as atheists. |
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10-11-2016 07:14 PM
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Attacks are incredibly frequent. There's a meme going around that it's hard to even go one day without a new attack in the name of Muhammad. Also the vast majority of the attacks are on Muslims themselves. Being a Muslim who doesn't follow the way of Muhammad is an even bigger sin than being a non-Muslim. The followers of Muhammad kill them with primacy. |
10-11-2016 07:18 PM
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10-11-2016 07:25 PM
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I'm talking worldwide. |
10-11-2016 07:25 PM
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10-11-2016 07:28 PM
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And I was asking you about the US. With so many muslims there why aren't attacks much more frequent? | |
10-11-2016 07:28 PM
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We went some into that but European history was not the topic. We did get some of that from the Catholic invasions of the Americas. |
10-11-2016 07:34 PM
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You also talk about a return to scripture in Islam as if it's some kind of inevitable outcome. Yet the only time it seems to happen is when you get a bunch of people who are sick of being shit on by outside forces. If there's a wave of radical Islam in the MidEast now, it's largely thanks to the actions of Christian powers like the US and the UK with their illegal war on Iraq, for example. | |