**** Elections thread *****

[OngBonga]

All this talk about the EU has made me listen to gabba. It's a great way to channel anger.

NSFW

[Poopadoop]

I voted Brexit Party last week.

I've changed my mind. Where do I send my new vote to?

When's the next election. Your vote was not cast for eternity, you still can change it later.

[OngBonga]

When's the next election. Your vote was not cast for eternity, you still can change it later.

I think the next election will be a significant time after the results of this one have been implemented. I don't want to wait until then.

[Poopadoop]

I think the next election will be a significant time after the results of this one have been implemented. I don't want to wait until then.

Sorry, but your vote counts until there is another vote. If the results are or aren't implemented by then is orthogonal to that.

[OngBonga]

Ok, let me turn my sarcasm into a direct question...

Do you think the results of referenda and elections should be implemented?

[OngBonga]

Not an easy question to answer flippantly, is it?

a) no I am not democratic,
b) yes, we should leave the EU

[OngBonga]

or maybe
c) only if it's in our national interest, as though democracy is not in our national interest.

[Poopadoop]

Do you think the results of referenda and elections should be implemented?

Within reason. But sometimes people don't have all the information when they vote on what exactly they are voting for. That's why they change their minds.

Also sometimes people are given a binary choice (yes/no) to a complex question. Their choices can fall anywhere along a continuum that can include 'Yes, absolutely under any circumstances, no matter the cost' or 'Yes, but only if condition x is met'.

If condition x in this case is "Brexit with a reasonable trade agreement with the EU that won't fuck us for a generation", and that condition isn't met and apparently can't be met, there is reason to suspect the original spirit with which many of the people voted 'yes' isn't being met.

What they should do is provide the voter with that information by saying "Ok, here is the best deal we can get. Do you want this kind of Brexit or do you want to Remain?"

What that does is allow the voter to know what they're actually voting for or against, rather than some vague idea of "Brexit" which can include all sorts of possibilities.

In that case, you now have more information on what 'yes' or 'no' mean. You can specify the question much better. If you give the same binary choice to people but now say instead of 'yes/no' to Brexit, you are voting 'yes/no' to a no-deal Brexit, you may very well have a different outcome. Moreover, you may very well have had a different outcome 3 years ago when the original vote took place.

[Poopadoop]

Here's an analogy: If someone asks you "do you want this sandwich you have now or would you prefer a burger?" and you say "I want a burger" thinking they're offering you a hamburger, and then later they tell you "oh, btw, this is a tofu burger, we don't have any beef" you then have a reasonable right to change your mind and say "well actually no I don't want THAT burger, so now that I have more information I'll stick with my sandwich. Thanks for giving me the chance to change my mind once it became clearer what saying 'yes' to the burger actually means.

If instead they say 'fuck it, I'll go with the tofu burger', then fine that's what they get.

[Poopadoop]

The way I view the referendum, it was not a final answer on Brexit. It was a mandate to begin negotiating Brexit. And if the populace aren't happy with the deal we are able to negotiate, they are perfectly within their rights to want another vote.

[boost]

The UK is a sovereign nation and has been for a long time. The EU is not and will probably and hopefully never be one.



I find it astonishing you can't draw your own distinctions. The UK didn't happen because a a bunch of people happened to decide it would be a good idea for the nations of the UK to cooperate economically while each nation maintained their sovereignty. The UK then didn't go on to slowly erode that sovereignty while pretending not to. England simply conquered the other nations. It could so easily have been the other way round. Or I could easily be Welsh who opposes the EU.

In fact, how does that change the argument? Let's pretend I'm Welsh and want to leave the EU, but not the UK. What do you say to me now?

I do have my own distinctions, but I'm on the fence as to whether or not they amount to a meaningful sum.

Status Quoism is not a convincing argument. Whether or not the UK being the UK is good does not hinge on whether it currently is.

As for the process by which the UK became the UK and by which the EUSS has become/could become the EUSS, well, the latter sounds far more attractive than the former. Deciding to first casually date, then become exclusive, then live together, all before getting married seems reasonable. When you first started dating, you may not have been looking for marriage, and part of you may worry you're not quite ready, but it definitely seems like a better process than being clubbed over the head and coming to in the midst of your marriage being consummated.

[boost]

Ok, let me turn my sarcasm into a direct question...

Do you think the results of referenda and elections should be implemented?

I think you have a good point about the problem of holding votes until the result you wanted is achieved. But I think this is a fundamental flaw in direct democracy, and David Cameron should probably be hung for treason for attempting such an idiotic stunt.

[OngBonga]

The way I view the referendum, it was not a final answer on Brexit. It was a mandate to begin negotiating Brexit. And if the populace aren't happy with the deal we are able to negotiate, they are perfectly within their rights to want another vote.

Do you remember what the question was on the ballot? I'll remind you.

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

There's no ambiguity. There's no "the way I view the referendum". We're making a direct democratic decision. The question was not "Do you think we should begin negotiations". It was as clear as can be. What is the point in having a referendum with this question if we are not going to follow it up?

The only ambiguity is in the fact that parliament can, technically, overrule the decision. But it doing so it destroys the democratic foundation of the nation. If we have made a terrible decision, we should pay the price by having a fucked economy, not by destroying democracy. That is far worse. Economies recover. How long does it take for faith and trust in democracy to recover?

Your analogy is awful. That's all I can be bothered to say about that.

[OngBonga]

I do have my own distinctions, but I'm on the fence as to whether or not they amount to a meaningful sum.

Explaining the distinctions between a nation state like the UK and an entity like the EU is a long and tiresome process. The distinctions are extensive and complicated. To throw one example out there, finance. The EU collects money from member states, and redistributes it. It collects 75% of import duties for its funding. The UK does not collect money from member nations. The UK collects taxes from citizens and business, and funds services. It delegates some of these duties to regional councils and governments.

Can you see now why I want to avoid getting too deep into the differences between a nation state and a superstate? It's tedious.

[OngBonga]

As for the process by which the UK became the UK and by which the EUSS has become/could become the EUSS, well, the latter sounds far more attractive than the former.

Well if I could choose our history, then we'd all be smoking weed and hugging each other instead of bickering about stupid shit like democracy.

I'm not proud of our history. But what can you do? Just because I am against what the EU stands for, does that mean I should also be against what the UK stands for? I'm not interested in trying to get England to leave the UK. I'm not interested in getting Shropshire to leave England. All I can do with regards to this country is vote. Just like I did with regards to the EU.

The way the EU formed is not such a problem. It was an economic union. It's how it's evolved that's the problem.

[OngBonga]

But sometimes people don't have all the information when they vote on what exactly they are voting for. That's why they change their minds.

I really hate this argument, by the way. Could you please explain what new information has come to light that is not subjective?

[OngBonga]

Here's an analogy for you both, seeing as you think the supposed similarities between the UK and the EU are even relevant...

Imagine you father is a murderer. Do you have the right to oppose murder? Do you have to not be your father's son to oppose murder? Or do you just have to accept that what you think about murder is not relevant, and you by default support murder?

[Poopadoop]

I really hate this argument, by the way.

That's a tell that you can see the logic of it.

Could you please explain what new information has come to light that is not subjective?

Already did. The fact that it would be a no-deal or shitty-deal or not-such-a-good-deal-after-all Brexit.

Do you actually believe people know less now than what they knew 3 years ago? 'Cause that's not how knowledge accumulation normally works.

Who knows what people believed when they voted? Maybe they thought the EU would give us a magic ride on a unicorn, and we'd all be way richer. Now they know better.

[OngBonga]

Do you actually believe people know less now than what they knew 3 years ago? 'Cause that's not how knowledge accumulation normally works.

Do you not see how ridiculous this argument is? How can you ever implement a democratic decision if this is your logic?

[Poopadoop]

There's no ambiguity.

If you voted Leave in 2016 and then in 2019 suddenly learned that God does in fact exist and has decided that if we Brexit we're all going to spend eternity getting assfucked by the ghost of Tutankhamen, would you say 'oh well hurr durr i didn't know that when I voted yes but still, that was fair and square so i guess i better bend over'?

If we have made a terrible decision, we should pay the price by having a fucked economy, not by destroying democracy.

I'm not really up on Enlightenment thinking but I don't think the purpose of democracy was to make people suffer for their mistakes.

[OngBonga]

Already did. The fact that it would be a no-deal or shitty-deal or not-such-a-good-deal-after-all Brexit.

Ok, so what part of the referendum question referred to a deal? Explain the relevance here?

Because the negotiating a deal thing isn't even a requirement. The "leave" camp have largely accepted negotiations for a deal, as a compromise. If we can keep some of the mutual benefits, such as trade and freedom of movement, on the table, that's great. But when we voted, there was nothing about a deal. So the "no deal or shitty deal" is only relevant for leavers if we leave with a shitty deal. That's still better than a no deal for the remainers, so it's the leave camp who are shafted by a "shitty deal".

[OngBonga]

I'm not really up on Enlightenment thinking but I don't think the purpose of democracy was to make people suffer for their mistakes.

Not being in a democratic nation is suffering, more so than a bad economy for x amount of time.

[OngBonga]

If you voted Leave in 2016 and then in 2019 suddenly learned that God does in fact exist and has decided that if we Brexit we're all going to spend eternity getting assfucked by the ghost of Tutankhamen, would you say 'oh well hurr durr i didn't know that when I voted yes but still, that was fair and square so i guess i better bend over'?

Learn what "subjective" means.

Because there's no "proof of god" evidence I'm aware of.

[Poopadoop]

Do you not see how ridiculous this argument is? How can you ever implement a democratic decision if this is your logic?

Why should we not have the most information we can get before making a final decision? Why be so inflexible? I thought your view was that the people wanted out so bad they'd even prefer a no-deal to Remain? If that's the case, another referendum on the final deal or no-deal shouldn't concern you. Sure, you might think it's a waste of time since you've already calculated the outcome, but you shouldn't be all 'arrrrghgghgh!' about it.

[Poopadoop]

Not being in a democratic nation is suffering, more so than a bad economy for x amount of time.

Again, another chance to vote is not exactly being undemocratic.

[Poopadoop]

Learn what "subjective" means.

Because there's no "proof of god" evidence I'm aware of.

Try answering the question instead of picking on the example. Would you still be happy to accept your eternal assfucking?

[Poopadoop]

...the negotiating a deal thing isn't even a requirement.

If you want to get technical about it, the referendum itself was not legally binding. There was nothing in that decision to hold a referendum that said 'this is a contract that is going to happen if that's what you say you want' That much was made very clear.

That means the gov't can decide at any time it wants that 'fuck this, we're not going to let these dopes fuck themselves and the rest of us. We're running the country not them'.

[OngBonga]

If that's the case, another referendum on the final deal or no-deal shouldn't concern you.

My concern is democratic concern. Democracy is of the utmost importance. We have made a democratic decision. If we make another one before this one has been implemented, then we're being shafted democratically. That is completely unacceptable.

Try answering the question instead of picking on the example. Would you still be happy to accept your eternal assfucking?

You want me to answer a ridiculous question about being assfucked by a ghost if proof of god emerged and he was unhappy with us leaving the EU?

Get fucked.

[Poopadoop]

My concern is democratic concern. Democracy is of the utmost importance. We have made a democratic decision.

No we didn't actually. We took a giant poll and asked people what they wanted. It was a not a legally binding democratic process in any way, as much as you'd like to pretend it was.

If we make another one before this one has been implemented, then we're being shafted democratically. That is completely unacceptable.

Only to snowflakes.

You want me to answer a ridiculous question about being assfucked by a ghost if proof of god emerged and he was unhappy with us leaving the EU?

Get fucked.

Is that a yes or a no?

[OngBonga]

No we didn't actually. We took a giant poll and asked people what they wanted. It was a not a legally binding democratic process in any way, as much as you'd like to pretend it was.

A referendum is a giant poll, and not a democratic decision?

And "legally binding" is your creative accounting bollocks. Technically, correct, because parliament can overrule. But it's "democratically binding".

Just like normal elections. They're not "legally binding" either, since the Queen can fuck that process up.

Only to snowflakes.

No you're the snowflake, because you're scared of us leaving the EU and having to pay 10p more for your milk.

[Poopadoop]

A referendum is a giant poll, and not a democratic decision?

Pretty much yep.

And "legally binding" is your creative accounting bollocks.

It's the law, got nothing to do with anything creative I've done.

Technically, correct, because parliament can overrule. But it's "democratically binding".

You're making up words to suit your purpose here. At best, it's politically binding since the Tories promised to implement it if it was voted for. They've failed. Not my fault.

Even then, politicians break promises all the time. And democracy is still around.

No you're the snowflake, because you're scared of us leaving the EU and having to pay 10p more for your milk.

Yeah I drink a lot of milk. That's gonna add up. And you're right, I don't want a lower standard of living just to make some tards happy.

[Poopadoop]

facts.jpg

Guess who agrees with me?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7401151.html

ruh roh!.jpg

Even Nigel Farage says it's only advisory.

[OngBonga]

Pretty much yep.

Given the choice between "giant poll" and "democratic decision", you pick the former? Right you are.

I think you're in the wrong country, mate. Try somewhere like Somalia, or somewhere else where the ruling party don't give a fuck what the people want.

It's the law, got nothing to do with anything creative I've done.

It's the kind of law that should never get used, such as the example I gave that you conveniently ignored. The Queen can, but doesn't, fuck democracy. If she did, many people would consider that unacceptable. Those snowflakes, huh?

They've failed.

They have so far, but the deadline has only been pushed back. It won't be pushed back again, and if it is, I expect there will shit hitting fans. Best case scenario, Farage wins a GE.

Yeah I drink a lot of milk. That's gonna add up. And you're right, I don't want a lower standard of living just to make some tards happy.

Well, you better hope that you're wrong about it fucking the economy then, because we're leaving, and the more this drags on, the more likely it'll be without a deal.

[OngBonga]

Even Nigel Farage says it's only advisory.

Creative accounting. I'm blocked from reading the article since I use adblock., but it's "advisory" in the sense that the public are democratically advising the government to do something.

[Poopadoop]

Given the choice between "giant poll" and "democratic decision", you pick the former? Right you are.

I think you're in the wrong country, mate. Try somewhere like Somalia, or somewhere else where the ruling party don't give a fuck what the people want.

Lol, that's every country.

The ruling party cares about getting re-elected. Whether they do it by keeping their promises or breaking them is irrelevant to them.

It's the kind of law that should never get used, such as the example I gave that you conveniently ignored. The Queen can, but doesn't, fuck democracy. If she did, many people would consider that unacceptable. Those snowflakes, huh?

It's not a law that they have to ignore it, it's just not a law that they have to accept it.

They have so far, but the deadline has only been pushed back. It won't be pushed back again, and if it is, I expect there will shit hitting fans. Best case scenario, Farage wins a GE.

Back to your crystal ball, eh Nostradamus?

Well, you better hope that you're wrong about it fucking the economy then, because we're leaving, and the more this drags on, the more likely it'll be without a deal.

hahahahaha

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[OngBonga]

Labour just saw off Brexit Party by 683 votes in a by-election. This wasn't an EU vote, this was a vote for putting an MP in Parliament. And BP cam within 700 votes of getting there. And Labour think this is a good result.

They have one policy. I'm not even sure I could vote for them in an internal election without them having clear policies other than leaving the EU. The EU is a joke, I don't care who we send there. Parliament is a different matter. I think this is a perfect result. Get really, really close without actually taking the seat.

I hope they develop policy that a large amount of people can get behind, because if they do, the next election will be wonderful.

[OngBonga]

Is it a perfect result or am I being results orientated? I'd likely be celebrating if they won it, it's just one seat. I'd only be worried if they had a significant number of MPs while still only having one policy.

So maybe it's not perfect, maybe I'd prefer them to have one voice in Parliament.

But it's still a great result.

[oskar]

What's the deal with Sadiq Khan. Why do boomers hate him so much. Jeremy Clarkson is having a breakdown on twitter. It's a massive thread but I don't see anyone giving reasons besides speed limits.

[oskar]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8946991.html

Is that it?

[Poopadoop]

Is it a perfect result or am I being results orientated? I'd likely be celebrating if they won it, it's just one seat. I'd only be worried if they had a significant number of MPs while still only having one policy.

So maybe it's not perfect, maybe I'd prefer them to have one voice in Parliament.

But it's still a great result.

Like you say, they are a one policy party.

There only reason for existing is to allow Brexiteers to protest that it hasn't happened yet.

The Tories know this and that the votes are largely coming from them. So, I expect El Boris to do his best to push thru a Brexit even if it's a no deal Brexit. And if that happens, we're fucked.

Meanwhile, it would also be the end of the Brexit party. Are they gonna rename themselves to the StayOut Party? No, they'll just dissolve into the ether.

If the Tories don't get a Brexit thru, there will be an election and a fight over Brexit. Mugs like you will vote for the Brexit Party because arrrrgghggh! and then we could possibly have a party in power whose sole purpose is to get us out of the EU. Won't that be wonderful.

[OngBonga]

Mugs like you will vote for the Brexit Party because arrrrgghggh!

And here was me thinking you had read what I said and had something reasonable to say. Silly me.

[Poopadoop]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8946991.html

Is that it?

He seems to be on the mayor's case for all sorts of reasons - too many roadworks, plans to make things easier for cyclists, etc. Basically, the guy is a gearhead and his whole libido seems to depend on driving cars. Plus he's a "patriot" who probably doesn't like having a brown mayor.

[Poopadoop]

And here was me thinking you had read what I said and had something reasonable to say. Silly me.

You might hum and haw but most mugs will vote for Brexit. I'd be surprised if you didn't too. Who else would you vote for?

[OngBonga]

You might hum and haw but most mugs will vote for Brexit. I'd be surprised if you didn't too. Who else would you vote for?

If there's no party whose policy I can support, I won't vote. Rejecting all options is a legitimate democratic choice. I could maybe vote for an independent who has only one policy, but that's because an independent can only ever win one seat. A one policy party with lots of candidates? This is way too risky when it comes to voting for who will run the country.

They have to form a common policy, and I think it will be largely in line with Conservative policy.

[OngBonga]

I don't think "most mugs" will vote for them in an election, assuming they have just one policy. You can't run a candidate in every constituency and only have one policy. You have to have a plan for what you'll do if you win power. You can't just say "fuck me we won, what now?". You have to be prepared for that. But of course they won't win power if they only have one policy, because there will be a lot of people who support them but can't seriously vote for them.

[Poopadoop]

They have to form a common policy, and I think it will be largely in line with Conservative policy.

Seems a bit cynical given they're led by the same guy who led UKIP before though, right? Shouldn't they be more aligned with UKIP policies?

[OngBonga]

Don't be so sure. There's a reason Nige left UKIP after we voted leave. He knew they had served their purpose and that they'd implode, so he left.

Nigel Farage and Anne Widdecombe are both former Tories. They are Conservative in ideology, and they are the two most prominent members of the party. I expect policy to be dominated by these two.

[OngBonga]

UKIP's overall policy was such that they never had a sniff of actually governing. That may be the case with BP, and they may serve their purpose and implode too. But if they have something of an electable policy, then maybe they don't implode.

[dwarfman2]

You can't just say "fuck me we won, what now?".

Ironically that's exactly what MPs who supported leaving the EU as a career choice thought on 24 June 2016.

A certain blonde haired buffoon comes to mind.

[spoonitnow]

MAGA 2020

[OngBonga]

It's actually the real spoon, and not banana with a new fake account.

So you didn't die in a hurricane? Well done.

[dwarfman3]

MAGA 2020

It's pretty scary how alike we are. Just coming back every once in a while to troll.

I'm not sure how I feel about being in some way alike to you

[OngBonga]

The most exciting thing to happen in this club in the last year is jyms appearing out of nowhere to give dwarfman the boot, before disappearing again.

Also, bananastand got booted several times, including various new accounts. I think he finally got bored of it, but you never know.

[spoonitnow]

The most exciting thing to happen in this club in the last year is jyms appearing out of nowhere to give dwarfman the boot, before disappearing again.

Also, bananastand got booted several times, including various new accounts. I think he finally got bored of it, but you never know.

I can't really remember bananastand. Was he the guy who used to trigger mojo into his autistic fits all the time?

[OngBonga]

Yep.

[spoonitnow]

Awesome. I like him.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Also, bananastand got booted several times, including various new accounts. I think he finally got bored of it, but you never know.

I know that gmml did a bit to fortify the anti-spam stuff a while ago and once nanners kept coming back with new accounts, I started using "delete as spam" to delete his accounts.
Maybe that mattered.
Maybe he got bored of it.

IDK.

[spoonitnow]

I know that gmml did a bit to fortify the anti-spam stuff a while ago and once nanners kept coming back with new accounts, I started using "delete as spam" to delete his accounts.
Maybe that mattered.
Maybe he got bored of it.

IDK.

Fascist!

[MadMojoMonkey]

Fascist!

lol
It's my brand. What can I say?

You're part of the reason I have a banhammer in the first place. No other human ever attempted to give me such authority.

If you didn't foresee the outcome of your decisions, that's no excuse.
You have to support me and my fascist ways from now on, forever, or you're a filthy flip-flopper!

[spoonitnow]

So polls say that Cory Booker is polling ahead of Donald Trump lol...

[Poopadoop]

MAGA 2020

Captain Retard ftw!

[spoonitnow]

My fantasy scenario is that he loses in 2020 to someone who completely fucks the country up, but Trump then wins another term in 2024 as a result, followed by Ivanka in 2028 and 2032.

[Poopadoop]

He needs to win in 2020 if he doesn't want to spend the rest of his life in a courtroom.

[spoonitnow]

He needs to win in 2020 if he doesn't want to spend the rest of his life in a courtroom.

Orange man bad.

[MadMojoMonkey]

We'll see. I'm not saying anything he did is a crime. I'm just saying that what we had on the other people who were actually impeached (plus Nixon) looked a lot more suspect and circumstantial that what's been put out on Trump - hinted at in the Mueller Report.

I have my doubts about whether there's any interest in America to care about impeachment, but the notion that he's not done anything wrong seems no longer credible. He was openly asked if he was, on his next campaign, approached by any foreign nation who offered him information about his opponent, if he'd take that information. He said he would because he "wants to know." He said maybe he'd call the FBI about it, and that the FBI director who said that he's required by law to call the FBI is just wrong about the law.
This is the sitting POTUS. He's openly said that he doesn't care about election law or his furthering the interests of foreign nations through dealing with them. That's a problem, IMO.

The question is whether or not we as a people care about that level of thing today. It really looks like only a whiny minority has any interest in it, so I seriously doubt he has any legal consequences that follow him after his presidency ends, whether it's 1 or 2 terms.

[spoonitnow]

He was openly asked if he was, on his next campaign, approached by any foreign nation who offered him information about his opponent, if he'd take that information.

I loved this answer. It was one of the biggest troll jobs I've seen in mainstream politics ever, and that's saying a lot. It's up there with his line about they're going to build the wall and Mexico is going to pay for it. That line in itself got him elected.

The question is whether or not we as a people care about that level of thing today. It really looks like only a whiny minority has any interest in it, so I seriously doubt he has any legal consequences that follow him after his presidency ends, whether it's 1 or 2 terms.

If he was found to have done something illegal, it's unlikely that he faces any serious consequences for it.

[Poopadoop]

I have my doubts about whether there's any interest in America to care about impeachment,

They don't care about him getting impeached or not because they believe he's going to get kicked out anyways in 2020, is how I interpret that.

[Poopadoop]

Orange man bad.

Best you got?

I seem to remember you trying to form arguments at some point, poorly constructed though they were.

[spoonitnow]

Best you got?

I seem to remember you trying to form arguments at some point, poorly constructed though they were.

Matthew 7:6

[Poopadoop]

Matthew 7:6

A simple "yes" would have been fine.

[OngBonga]

Poop is more angry since Trump took office.

[Poopadoop]

Poop is more angry since Trump took office.

That's me. Arrrggghgghg!

[spoonitnow]

From http://archive.vn/2cRrM

“Should I kick him in the face? Hard? No, chill, he’s not worth it. But why is this white boy begging for money in a Black neighborhood? Is he stupid?”

I shake the evil out of my head and go into the subway. He comes every Spring. The homeless white boy flaps down like a dirty migratory bird, makes himself a nest from garbage and sleeps on the sidewalk. A sign on his shopping cart asks for money—I never give. I should tho ‘cause he makes me feel good.


White people begging us for food feels like justice. It feels like Afro-Futurism after America falls. It feels like a Black Nationalist wet dream. It has the feels I rarely feel, a hunger for historical vengeance satisfied so well I rub my belly.

Fantasies about assaulting poor people because they're white. This is a good example of why Trump won the first time and why he's likely to win again.

[oskar]

You sound triggered. Are you ok?

[spoonitnow]

You sound triggered. Are you ok?

Glad to see you're still Stanning me even after all these years.