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    I've got 30 rolls of bog roll and 300-odd tea bags, I'll be fine.

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    Queue for bog roll in London...

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    It's an interesting take, if that is indeed their strategy. I suspect it's a short-term approach, and they'll be closing schools and banning large gatherings in the next few days. It just doesn't make sense to let the exponential growth go on unabated imo.

    And lol at people stocking up on toilet paper. In my local supermarket there's a large empty space where tp used to be, and meanwhile cans of food sit on the shelves. Armageddon plan needs revision.

    Seriously though, if anyone thinks they're going to just lock themselves in their house until the whole pandemic thing blows over, they're going to be eating a lot of toilet paper in the next few months.
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    What bugs me more is people stocking up on hand sanitizer and masks and hoping to make a big profit off it. Those people need to be stabbed in the balls with a rusty fork.
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    People are more afraid of having a shitty arse than they are of starvation.

    I've just been at my Mom's for a week, and caught up with an old friend while I was in town. I met him at the pub, and after a fistbump, he squirted gel on his hands. Fair enough. Four hours later we were putting the same five pound note in our noses as we enjoyed a line of coke. True story.
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    I'm not bothered about a couple of people getting together and swapping germs with each other. You can't just live in a bubble.

    It's idiots who go out to large gatherings and swap germs with hundreds of other people - that annoys me.

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    My cousin is currently in self isolation with a cough and fever, we suspect she has it. Her boyfriend has fucked off to his parents and left her in isolation. Arsehole. That bothers me more than people trying to enjoy themselves.
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    My cousin is currently in self isolation with a cough and fever, we suspect she has it. Her boyfriend has fucked off to his parents and left her in isolation. Arsehole. That bothers me more than people trying to enjoy themselves.
    It bothers me less. It's one person being a cunt to one other person, which I agree is bad.

    The revelers are being cunts to their whole community. Not just to other young cunts out partying who wont get seriously ill even if they catch it, but potentially to all the people they go on to come in contact with if they do get sick, and so on down the chain.
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    My cousin is currently in self isolation with a cough and fever, we suspect she has it.
    If it makes you feel better, most of these cases are flu. Is she being tested, or just being told to isolate?
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    On the other hand, they're keeping bar staff in a job.
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    If it makes you feel better, most of these cases are flu. Is she being tested, or just being told to isolate?
    They're not testing people with mild symptoms any more, simply advising 14 days isolation. She might just have flu, there's no way to be certain. I hope that's all she has, but even so she's young, healthy, doesn't smoke, I'm not going to worry unless she's hospitalised.
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    My mum is 78, overweight and with athsma. This thing could fucking kill her. If I found out she got it from some cunt serving her coffee who got it 'cause they went out partyiing the weekend before, I'd be pretty fucking angry.
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    My mum is 78, overweight and with athsma. This thing could fucking kill her. If I found out she got it from some cunt serving her coffee who got it 'cause they went out partyiing the weekend before, I'd be pretty fucking angry.
    The problem is that if 10-20% of people lose their jobs because we shut down the economy, how bad is that for public health?

    And at the risk of pissing you off, to be brutally honest, why is it more selfish for someone to have a pint at a busy pub than it is for your Mom to enjoy a nice coffee at the cafe?
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    The problem is that if 10-20% of people lose their jobs because we shut down the economy, how bad is that for public health?
    They're not going lose their jobs forever and I'm gonna assume the gov't is not going to let them starve because they lost their job. So I'm having trouble seeing how it's better to let a disease run rampant just to protect the economy.


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    And at the risk of pissing you off, to be brutally honest, why is it more selfish for someone to have a pint at a busy pub than it is for your Mom to enjoy a nice coffee at the cafe?
    Basically every person you expose yourself to is a little game of COVID Russian roulette. So, if you willingly expose yourself to 100s of people on a night out visiting bars, you're in the first instance an idiot because you're increasing the probability of catching the virus. And even if you're young and it doesn't kill you, it's still not going to be a fun two weeks.

    Further, assuming you care about others besides yourself, you can't give the virus to someone else if you haven't caught it yourself. So you're not just playing russian roulette with your own health when you expose yourself to others, but with the health of everyone you later come into contact with. That includes not just strangers, but family and friends as well.

    If my mum for whatever reason went on a pub crawl and got exposed to 100s of people, then took the virus around to whoever she met after that, I'd say she was the cunt.

    I doubt she'll be going to any cafes, but she will be going grocery shopping. Surely you see the difference between having to buy food to eat and going out partying 'cause "hurr durr I'm young and I won't die from this, so fuck everyone else who could die if I infect them."
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    Just to bring this point home, during 1918 Philadelphia held a parade and immediately saw a huge surge in Spanish Flu cases. St. Louis cancelled their parade that same year and guess what, no surge.

    https://www.history.com/this-day-in-...s-philadelphia

    These diseases are incredibly contagious because they're both durable (survive a long time outside a host body) and they're airborne. You only have to breath in the air someone has breathed out to catch it.

    So yeah, basically every single person you come within 2m of is a little game of COVID roulette. So, it's better to play that game with as few bullets in the chamber as possible. IOW, the fewer people you come in contact with, the better it is for you. And if you do catch it, you're another bullet in everyone else's chamber.
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    They're not going lose their jobs forever and I'm gonna assume the gov't is not going to let them starve because they lost their job. So I'm having trouble seeing how it's better to let a disease run rampant just to protect the economy.
    If people are poorer, they don't eat as healthily. A significantly weaker economy means people are poorer.

    If a pub closes, it might not reopen. That's a job lost forever.

    Cafes, cinemas, theme parks, high street shops, swimming pools, all aspects of everyday life are under threat here. Our reaction to this might be more dangerous than the virus itself. Many thousands of people will see a decreased quality of life, many families might put off having children because of financial hardship, people who can no longer afford to support their family might succumb to the mental pressure, less people donating to charities like Cancer Research which advance public health, the consequences of shutting down the economy are complex and far reaching.

    IOW, the fewer people you come in contact with, the better it is for you.
    Indeed. If I were vulnerable, I don't think I'd be in any hurry to leave the house. If I did, it's a choice I made. If I left the house to grab a coffee, I certainly wouldn't begrudge someone going out for a beer.
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    Also lower tax revenue for the government, and increased welfare costs, in turn crippling health budgets. People might get inferior cancer treatment because the government can no longer afford to treat people properly. It might take a few more years than it otherwise would have done for HIV to be curable, due to decreased R&D.

    This is how public health can be negatively affected by a significantly weaker economy. I'm just scratching the surface here. Nobody knows what the best approach is.
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    Poop and Ong, you guys are talking past each other, but you both have valid points.

    The effects on the spread of the virus are drastically different when you compare small gatherings to large gatherings. If you are not vulnerable, you don't need to live in a bunker, but avoiding unnecessary large social gatherings goes a long way to protect the vulnerable. If you're continuing to work in a public facing role, i.e. as a barista, cashier, etc, making yourself an ideal vector for the virus, you absolutely should not attend large social gatherings.

    On the other hand, if everyone holes up for the next month, the economy will fall apart. This is also a public health disaster, and depending on how bad the economy gets, it could be a far worse catastrophe than 50% of the 65+ population dying. The economy is not the stock market. It's not just a measure of how big corporations are doing. It affects us all. Take a look at Venezuela: 80% of households are food insecure. Whatever the reasons for the state of their economy, that's a small snapshot of a failing economy. People will become homeless, landlords and homeowners will be foreclosed on, people will lose jobs and permanently fall out of the workforce.

    There's almost always a trade off, it's almost always a balancing act. This is not the exception.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boost View Post

    On the other hand, if everyone holes up for the next month, the economy will fall apart.
    Just to be clear, I don't for one minute think everyone should stop working and move to a self-contained bunker.

    All I said was don't attend large gatherings just because you're young and the personal risk to you is low (iow, don't be a cunt who becomes a disease vector).


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    Take a look at Venezuela: 80% of households are food insecure. Whatever the reasons for the state of their economy, that's a small snapshot of a failing economy. People will become homeless, landlords and homeowners will be foreclosed on, people will lose jobs and permanently fall out of the workforce.

    There's almost always a trade off, it's almost always a balancing act. This is not the exception.
    If you're saying if everyone stops working and goes to live in a bunker, then we'll all be fucked, I agree.

    If you're trying to say people practising responsible social distancing will turn us into Venezuela, you're wrong.

    The economy is going to take a knock regardless. Closing borders and disrupting supply chains are large scale decisions that we have no control over, but that nonetheless affect us. I'm powerless to influence those, but I can possibly influence people to use their common sense in flattening the curve - by not being cunts.
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    The funny thing is, I'll still be expected to jump on a train on Thursday, head to the next town, go to the jobcentre, and spend ten minutes talking to a civil servant face-to-face about what I've been doing to find work, before going back home. If I don't do that, I'll lose my benefits.

    But if I go on a pub crawl, I'm a cunt.

    I know poop is making reasonable points, and I understand where he's coming from. But at the same time he has the attitude that it's ok to go for a coffee but not a beer, because people don't tend to go on a coffee crawl. But at the same time, a 78-y/o is vulnerable, and perhaps shouldn't be mingling with baristas.

    My Mom is going on a cruise next month. If she gets this virus, I won't be angry with whoever gave it her, because my Mother is making the choice to go. The same is true of poop's Mom, who chose to attend a public place during a pandemic.

    As long as people are acting within the law, then you get on with it. If it's too dangerous to go for a coffee, beer or cruise, then that's for the government to make a decision. I don't think my Mom will be able to go on her cruise, but so long as its her decision, she damn well will.
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    Ong I know you like to reductio ad bananum me, but I never said you're a cunt if you socialize in a pub with a friend. I said you're a cunt if you deliberately and unnecessarily expose yourself to hundreds of people like those kids in Chicago did on St. Patty's, or the women in S. Korea who refused to get tested, then went to church and other large gatherings. Those people are cunts.

    You should at least try to talk your mum out of going on a cruise in the middle of a pandemic. You have to assume she's not understanding the risks associated with being around a large group of people breathing the same recirculated air for weeks on end. Unless everyone gets a covid test before they get on that ship, I would not go anywhere near it. But, I suspect it will all become academic shortly because the cruise ship will have a very hard time finding a port that will allow them to dock and load/unload passengers. Maybe somewhere in Africa. Could be a safari/cruise type of thing.

    Anyways back to the point. You're not a cunt if you go to the grocery store to get food. You're also not a cunt if you go to a cafe to meet your friends, unless it's some cafe where there's hundreds of people; or, if you start to feel sick one day but go anyways. Then you're also a cunt.
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    I'd call them. Would be pretty ridiculous if you can't do that over the phone for at least the next month or two.

    Your mom's not going on a cruise next month. I wouldn't worry about that. If it's not called off now, it will be real soon.
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    A lot of cruises are shutting down.

    American basketball and hockey have cancelled their seasons. That's BIG money not rolling in. I'm surprised they cancelled the whole season over it, and not a temporary break.
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    You should at least try to talk your mum out of going on a cruise in the middle of a pandemic.
    It's my Stepdad's 60th birthday, they've been planning this for years. She's not oblivious to the risks, but neither is she afraid of this virus. Same with my Stepdad. It's due to stop in France, Belgium and Holland, though she expects it to remain offshore.

    I also think you're underestimating how many people have cancelled. I wouldn't be surprised if the ship is at 10% capacity, which massively reduces the chances of getting it.

    They have a plan B, but like I said, so long as it's their choice, they're going. It will take government action to stop them.

    You're not a cunt if you go to the grocery store to get food.
    Of course not, this is an act of necessity.

    ...or, if you start to feel sick one day but go anyways.
    This... I agree with you here. If you're showing symptoms of this virus and mingle with the public anyway, that is irresponsible. I realise that some people will not feel symptoms yet still be contagious, there's not much you can do about that other than isolate everyone, which is insane.

    I agree with oskar, Mom is probably not going on her cruise. I'm not worried, and even if she does go on her cruise, I won't worry unless she actually gets ill.
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    I'd call them. Would be pretty ridiculous if you can't do that over the phone for at least the next month or two.

    And this... I expect this will be what we have to do soon, but as things stand, I'm expected to go unless I'm in self isolation, and that would also mean not going to Oxfam, which in turn means they probably have to close, since I'm one of the few that work there under the age of 70. I'm expecting to have to work extra shifts over the coming months, something I'm more than happy to do so long as I'm well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    And this... I expect this will be what we have to do soon, but as things stand, I'm expected to go unless I'm in self isolation,
    Call them and tell them you're in self isolation? How the fuck are they gonna know?


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    and that would also mean not going to Oxfam, which in turn means they probably have to close, since I'm one of the few that work there under the age of 70. I'm expecting to have to work extra shifts over the coming months, something I'm more than happy to do so long as I'm well.
    Good to hear.
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    Call them and tell them you're in self isolation? How the fuck are they gonna know?
    It's a risk I'm not willing to take. If they find out I lied to them, that's bad. They might call the shop and I answer the fucking phone. It really is best to be honest with these people, they are more than happy to dock peoples' benefits.

    Good to hear.
    I'm also seriously considering making myself available to do shopping and dog walking for old people in isolation, if and when that comes. 14 weeks isolation will be an enormous stress for a lot of people, especially those who don't have family to run around for them. I have plenty of time on my hands, and so long as I'm not showing symptoms, I'll do what I can to help.
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    I'm also seriously considering making myself available to do shopping and dog walking for old people in isolation, if and when that comes.
    Same. Absolutely.
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    Poop, I think you're underestimating the potential domino effect this can have on the economy. Many restaurants, nail salons, spas, etc, are seeing significant impacts to their business. Large sectors of the entertainment industry have ground to a halt. We're starting to see supply chain disruptions. Very few people knew about/understood the links between the financial industry, real estate, and the insurers (primarily AIG) who were guaranteeing the former's bets on the later. I think it's naive to assert that this will only amount to a "knock." Hopefully, but if the wrong domino falls, we could find ourselves in a global depression.

    Again, though you seemed to take it this way, I'm not arguing against both of you-- My point is that we've got to perform a balancing act, and it's not a 99% vs 1% sort of thing. If we fail to find the balance it's a shit show for us all.
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    You may well be correct Boost. I suppose I'm just finding it slightly tangential to the debate Ong and I were having about social distancing. I think people are going to increasingly self-isolate whether or not the governments try to make them as this thing gets worse, and yes I understand it's bad for the economy. But, as long as we all agree going to mass gatherings is being somewhere between reckless and a cunt, then I'm not sure what else we can do about it.

    If this were WWIII, we would expect it to be bad for the economy too. But, we'd still expect people to make some changes in their behaviour for the greater good, e.g., not hoard vital goods and not do things that endangered their fellow men, and we'd still think people who didn't do these things were out of order.
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    Well the Fed cut the rate by 1 whole point.

    GOOD

    They've come a long way since 2008. It's still a very bad sign that inflation expectations have plummeted so far that they've need to take such aggressive action, and it's still a very bad sign that they use interest rate cuts as their policy tool (rather than their real infinite policy tool: money supply). But this is very good.
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    I would like to think that this event will make people realise that they should have at least two weeks of emergency stockpile AT ALL TIMES, to avoid the panic buying we're seeing. This is fairly mild compared to what we could expect if it was a more serious disease, or a major volcanic event. This CV is not nearly as nasty as SARS, it just seems a lot more contagious. If a virus like SARS was as contagious as flu, we're getting into plague territory.

    Once this has blown over, I'm going to build a one month stockpile. It's irresponsible to start prepping at the peak of a pandemic, but during time of calm, it's wise.
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    Level 1 - panic buying
    Level 2 - bank run
    Level 3 - petrol crisis
    Level 4 - prison riots
    Level 5 - looting of shops
    Level 6 - riots on the streets
    Level 7 - looting of houses
    Level 8 - total breakdown of law and order, communities rally
    Level 9 - all out SHTF, every man for himself
    Level 10 - everyone's dead

    I reckon this is a Level 2, maybe a 3, but it could get to 6.
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    Went to my local market today expecting to see empty shelves, but apart from toilet paper they had pretty much everything. More shoppers than usual, but no sign of panic afaict. Lots of cans of food still and other staples like rice and pasta.

    Otoh, I live in a college town so most of the young people are stocking up on crisps and alcohol.

    Lol at people rioting. Nothing like voicing your displeasure at measures to protect us from a pandemic by joining a large contagious mob on the street. lol.
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    I went into Tesco today and there were lots of empty shelves. Tins were sparse, bread was minimal, sugar was decimated, only crap tea, no bog roll at all, and there was hardly anybody there. Freezer aisle was well stocked though.

    And poop, remember we had riots here across the country because a dodgy guy got shot by cops in London. I don't think it will happen, but I wouldn't say that with huge confidence. Bank run is coming though. The rise of contactless should mean it won't be as big a problem, but I reckon it's still a panic reflex.
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    Some relatively good news: The places where the most cases are being tested are also showing the lowest death rates.

    E.g., S.K. tested nearly 5% of it's population, found about 8k cases, and has a 0.9% death rate. 97% of the people they've tested did NOT have CV.

    Compare to Italy which has tested 1.4% of its population, has found about 25k cases, and has an observed 7% death rate. Only 72% of the people tested there have been clean.

    What this suggests is that many countries are missing a lot of cases that are non-serious. The global death rate from this is much more likely to be less than 1% than 2% or greater.

    For general comparison, the UK has tested about 0.3% of its population so far, with only 5% of these tests coming back positive. The US has tested about 0.06%, but 18% are testing positive. Both countries have death rates in the neighborhood of 2% amongst those testing positive.

    The overall moral is that, unless there are good reasons to think Italians are genetically susceptible to dying from CVD, they are likely underidentifying cases and this is boosting their observed death rate. This analysis can be affected by other unknowns though, so take with a grain of salt.

    But a global death rate of 0.9%, assuming equal rates of contagion, would be much better than the 1918-9 Spanish Flu (with a death rate est. at 2-3%).
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    Farts don't spread the virus.

    ...the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) of Tongzhou district in Beijing clarified that farts, normally, do not constitute another transmission route of COVID-19, unless someone takes a good and rather close sniff of gas from a pantless patient.
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    I almost certainly had this virus about a month to six weeks ago.

    It was bad, and I could see how old people with debilitating conditions would die from it.
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    If you want more entertainment, watch Fox News do a complete 180 on coronavirus in about 3 days, after first agreeing with Trump it was a hoax, and now agreeing with him that he knew it was serious before anyone else did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Level 1 - panic buying
    Level 2 - bank run
    Level 3 - petrol crisis
    Level 4 - prison riots
    Level 5 - looting of shops
    Level 6 - riots on the streets
    Level 7 - looting of houses
    Level 8 - total breakdown of law and order, communities rally
    Level 9 - all out SHTF, every man for himself
    Level 10 - everyone's dead

    I reckon this is a Level 2, maybe a 3, but it could get to 6.
    just wait til you factor in over half the population with firearms .

    brexit effect ..... could be fortuitous that there were warehouses rammed full of foods and medecines in case of a no deal breaxit.

    also kind of ironic that the eu kept banging on about the free movement of people until something affects them and then suddenly closingthe borders to keep outs out is a bit hypocritical
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    It's amazing how many people who hated borders now love borders.

    The firearms issue is contentious. If shit hits the fan for real (this isn't it) then I'd prefer to have a gun than not, even though that means other people have guns. Problem is that people already have guns in this country... criminals. And farmers, which is great because I'm surrounded by them.
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    Lol, yeah it's ironic people want free movement across borders except when there's a deadly pandemic going on. Such hypocrites, amirite?
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    Apparently there was a coach load of Brummies in Ludlow looking for bog roll today.

    That sentence won't make much sense to an American. Let me rephrase.

    Apparently there was a coach load of folk from the City of Birmingham in my quaint little town 40 miles away looking for toilet tissue.
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    I do hope this bog roll situation is resolved within the next two weeks. We got lucky, me and my housemates have just moved back into the house after some electric work, so we needed to buy bog roll anyway. He got a 24 pack and I got a 9 pack, and we had around ten lying around the house anyway. Then everyone went mad for bog roll.


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    £19 for four rolls of bumwad. The world has gone mad. Last time I checked, there was no shortage of bottled water. Shit hits the fan, you want fucking water, not arse wipe. All the soup, pasta, paracetamol, flour and long life milk has gone, but there's a fuck ton of salt. Here's a fact - the word salary comes directly from saline. A bag of salt will be worth a lot in a post SHTF world. You can wipe your arse on a wet flannel. Try preserving food with bog roll.


    If shit really did hit the fan, it would be absolute chaos. This is like a fire drill. One day it'll be a MERS type virus, which had a mortality rate of around one third, and things won't quickly return to normal like they will do this time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith View Post
    also kind of ironic that the eu kept banging on about the free movement of people until something affects them and then suddenly closingthe borders to keep outs out is a bit hypocritical
    haha you got me, I think people are different from a virus!
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    Interesting period for medium and large businesses, where we'll soon find out which ones have been managed properly and which have spent either too long flying by the seat of their pants, overextending on debt or paying out too large bonuses and dividends. That and we'll find out which companies treat their staff like shit.

    I've been working from home for a week and starting to crawl up the walls. Another few months will be boring as fuck, but at least I'll get a free monitor out of it. Having meetings with more than 5 or 6 people, all in different locations is problematic. Partly because you can hear kids screaming in the background. Impact on my net wealth has also been brutal.

    Supermarket yesterday was almost completely empty, but probably have enough food and big rolls for a couple of weeks at least. Pizza Hut have got a "touch free delivery" (or something like that) about to be launched, so that will help. The early panic buyers of bog rolls should be euthanized obviously.
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    Apparently there was a coach load of Brummies in Ludlow looking for bog roll today.
    U w0t mate?
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    The Vegas casinos have shut down. WTF?!
    BIG money is shutting down over this pandemic.


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    I'm home from work this week and next. It's a nice 2-week staycation after my 1-week vacation. I do recommend.

    I mean... there's little work I can do from home as far as presenting demos to a class of students that is also at their homes.

    I'm in consultation with a few emails a day, but it's nothing to consider "work."


    I'm lucky that my employer is giving everyone an additional 10 days of coronavirus PTO above and beyond our normal sick leave and vacation time.


    However, I'm taking it now over a concern, but eventually, I'll need to take it because I'm actually infected... so...
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    Our uni is making deliver our lectures online. But they're not making us come in, and I only have one lecture left to prepare so no biggie.

    As far as I know, we have unlimited paid sick leave at all times. One of my colleagues was literally off for months and got paid the whole time, the commie.

    Schools do not officially close until tomorrow in the UK.
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    Stay safe guys. You're about 11 days behind Italy by first confirmed cases.

    https://ncov2019.live/map
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    We Americans don't go to the doctor when we're sick unless we're on our deathbed. And tests for Negra Modelo Virus have been ludicrously hard to come by.

    I think its been here a while and a TON of people have gotten it and recovered at home without testing. But it was only after it hit an old folks place with a ton of deadly medical conditions that we started paying attention.

    I almost certainly had it. It was worse than any flu ever and the symptoms lined up well with corona.

    The people I got it from (family) had symptoms more perfectly aligned with corona rather than flu. Where did they get it? Probably from a kid at school that a family member nurses at.

    Where did that kid get it? Supposedly lots of kids were getting bad symptoms for a time in that district. The explanation? It was just a bad flu season.

    Given that NOBODY was testing here, it might be very likely that this "bad flu season" we got a few months ago was covid19.
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    Another family member (one I work with also), got off a plane a couple months ago when corona was breaking out of China. He got sick as a dog with corana symptoms.

    This was at the same time the first Washington case was found at SeaTac airport (IIRC). Then he got quarantined and recovered, and everybody left it alone. I was lolling my ass off because dude probably infection 50 people or some shit, but authorities were acting like the virus wasn't here.

    Its probably been everywhere here, we just never tracked it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    Stay safe guys. You're about 11 days behind Italy by first confirmed cases.

    https://ncov2019.live/map

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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post

    Given that NOBODY was testing here, it might be very likely that this "bad flu season" we got a few months ago was covid19.
    Can we start calling it the Washington Virus now?
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    I know a Chinese hoor who was flying back and forth between Washington and China at the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    I know a Chinese hoor who was flying back and forth between Washington and China at the time.
    Explains how it got from WA to China.

    I'm joking obv.

    Fun fact: Spanish Flu pandemic started in an army barracks in Kansas at end of WWI. Should be called Kansas Flu.
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    I prefer the Communist Party of China Genocidal Maniacs Flu.
  62. #62
    Or the Communist Party of China Assigns Rapists to the Wives of its Concentration Camp for Muslim Slaves Flu
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    I've always understood why Trump publicly praises the most dangerous man alive, but I never liked it.

  64. #64
    Washington Flu it is then.
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    We've already started telling people we're from Montana.
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    A public savings incentive plan that would create vast surplus of funds that people could use during economic calamity would be remarkable for times like this.

    Could the reason that these plans aren't created be because hey would require letting people who make terrible decisions (with their savings) experience the ramifications of those decisions? Currently, western societies seem to have decided that no matter how bad of decisions somebody makes, they will be taken care of. Since savings incentive plans don't seem to be viable under those conditions, it's a tough spot to be in.
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    I'm just waiting for all the billionaire philanthropists to start announcing how much they're donating.
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    My job just announced they're locking all doors (not really, lol) to non-essential faculty and staff for the next 2 weeks.
    Great.
    They've already made me burn 1 of my 2 weeks of coronavirus vacation pay, and now I'll be out for 3 weeks.
    My remaining PTO will cover that, but it's running out fast.

    How TF are people who aren't as lucky as I am going to deal with effectively being unemployed for weeks on end?
    This is getting bizarre.

    Don't get me wrong. That whole, "we're 10 days behind Italy" warning has hit home, and people are making the hard choices.
    I get that.
    I'm not saying we should just overload the health system and let old people die because even harder choices will become real.

    It's just
    Wow
    is all

    I seriously hope this is a wake up call to the people funding pandemic preparedness and such. This coronavirus is small potatoes compared to what researchers are afraid of. While the mortality rate on this is high compared to a flu, it's got nothing on the black plague.

    Pandemic researchers are scared of something more like the plague with the spreading rate of coronavirus, and we can't even handle this?!
    C'mon humans. Figure it out.
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    It's got nothing on SARS and MERS either, both different strains of coronavirus, both emerged in the last 20 years. Luckily for the world, those two aren't nearly as contagious. But the next nasty one might be.

    This should be a wake up call to everyone, not just governments. Yes the government should have a plan, but so should individuals. Stockpile at least month's worth of essentials during times of calm.
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    The peak is expected to be in may-june, until then things are likely to keep getting worse. 100k new cases globally in the past 5 days, where the previous 100k took over 2 months. Exponential growth is a bitch.
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    I think it will continue to peak in different places at different times. But Italy is fucking scary right now. If the rest of us are 2-4 weeks behind what's going on there...

    Testing seems key. In places like S. Korea and Germany they will test anyone who looks at them funny, and quickly isolate cases. Places like Canada are being moderately aggressive, and even the US is picking it up.

    The UK is doing an absolute shit job of testing, and combining that with just closing the schools TODAY, I think we may really be in for it. I hope not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    I seriously hope this is a wake up call to the people funding pandemic preparedness and such. This coronavirus is small potatoes compared to what researchers are afraid of.
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  74. #74
    What if Washington is a week ahead of Italy?
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    Virus in November: I might kill everybody, nobody knows yet.

    People in November: Meh, who cares?

    Virus in March: I'm not an existential threat, I kill the old and unhealthy, and my kill rate is most likely 0.1% of infected or below.

    People in March: DESTROY THE ECONOMY NOW!!!

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