There's a few other lone people clapping on other videos in that link. I won't bother showing the videos of places where you could hear the crickets, 'cause it's just a bit sad.
That's usually where you are when you shake someone's hand, yes.
04-12-2020 04:27 PM
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There's a few other lone people clapping on other videos in that link. I won't bother showing the videos of places where you could hear the crickets, 'cause it's just a bit sad. | |
04-12-2020 04:30 PM
#677
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By the way, I live in a riding that voted Tory last year. | |
04-12-2020 04:30 PM
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04-12-2020 04:32 PM
#679
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Well I live in the countryside, so it was moos. | |
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04-12-2020 04:32 PM
#680
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I don't think it's even that people dislike him so much as that it's one thing to clap for underfunded and poorly-supported NHS workers risking their lives to help others, and quite another to clap for the PM who fucked up the response to CV and probably caught it himself from being careless. | |
04-12-2020 04:34 PM
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04-14-2020 04:00 PM
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04-15-2020 11:25 AM
#683
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Trump blames WHO for the CV, and (threatens to?) pull(s?) US funding from WHO. | |
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04-15-2020 11:48 AM
#684
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Situation 9 days later: | |
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04-15-2020 12:28 PM
#685
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The WHO really has a lot to answer for when it comes to its relationship to China and Taiwan. There needs to be a major restructuring of that organization if it wants to stay relevant. | |
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04-15-2020 01:32 PM
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04-15-2020 02:00 PM
#687
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days from 1 death/m - death/m - no. dbls since 1 death/m - days/dbl | |
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04-15-2020 02:32 PM
#688
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If we look at days to double in first 15 days since reaching 1 death/million (back of envelope again), here's the rankings. Finland ftw. NOR, CAN, very good. | |
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04-15-2020 02:46 PM
#689
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This may all be true, but perhaps the middle of a global pandemic is not the best time to cut their funding, flawed as they may be. | |
04-15-2020 02:55 PM
#690
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Will be interesting to see how this goes. | |
04-15-2020 03:11 PM
#691
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Those straight case/death numbers by themselves aren't very meaningful, I was just being lazy. I like the days to double you suggest. | |
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04-15-2020 03:55 PM
#692
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Yeah, well it doesn't take much difference in days to double to make a big difference in deaths/m. | |
04-15-2020 04:17 PM
#693
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Just to put those numbers in further perspective. the no. 1 world killer used to be cardiovascular disease, which kills 17/million a year. Most of those countries I listed passed that number in CV deaths/million in 15 days. | |
04-16-2020 01:29 AM
#694
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Indeed. Spain, Belgium and Italy are at 350-400 dpm, Sweden at 119, US 84, Finland 13 and San Marino 1061. :/ | |
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04-16-2020 09:20 AM
#695
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Ong, I heard there were lots of fruit picking jobs open in the UK if you're looking for something to do these days. | |
04-16-2020 11:52 AM
#696
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Is this the new "learn to code"? Telling Brexit voters to pick fruit? | |
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04-16-2020 12:35 PM
#697
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It's just a bit funny that a large number of people are suddenly unemployed but they're still flying in people from Romania to pick fruit. It's almost as if there's some national benefit to allowing the free flow of labour across borders. | |
04-16-2020 12:41 PM
#698
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The farmers are panicking here about that, saying that most of the harvest this summer is lost because we don't have foreigners coming. Apparently no one local is willing to do it, it's damn hard labor and pays virtually nothing. | |
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04-16-2020 12:57 PM
#699
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My biggest hope for this is that a lot of people will realize who is actually doing essential work in a society and then rethink why these people are bottom earners. I see increasingly cranky supermarket workers thinking: go on strike, dummy. You're not being a hero, you're a tool. How much does your wage impact the price of the product? It's fucking nothing. The management is saving pennies by not paying you a decent wage. | |
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04-16-2020 12:59 PM
#700
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I'd probably rather collect unemployment insurance/pogey/dole than pick fruit too. | |
04-16-2020 01:22 PM
#701
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@oskar, there's isn't just infinite money to increase wages without impacting the prices of goods. | |
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04-16-2020 01:32 PM
#702
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I would not be upset if the price of fruit (or anything else) went up a bit if it meant workers were not being exploited as a consequence. But that's just me. | |
04-16-2020 01:37 PM
#703
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My nearest store has 3 employees working at any given time. They probably have roughly one customer by minute or two. As a conservative estimate let's say they have 400 customers on any given day, or 4000 per employee per month. If they raise prices so the average sale goes up by 10c, they could give each employee a €400 raise. | |
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04-16-2020 01:45 PM
#704
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Damn, that's 400 games of Covid Roulette per day per worker. I'm kinda surprised more of them aren't gettig sick. Or maybe they're just asymptomatic and spreading it around the community. | |
04-16-2020 01:48 PM
#705
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I actually saw a woman older than me, maybe 60, working in the supermarket, and I thought "you're fucking crazy, lady" to myself. | |
04-16-2020 04:57 PM
#706
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04-17-2020 05:58 AM
#707
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Straight talk from Osterholm: We're screwed. | |
04-17-2020 05:58 AM
#708
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I think we're going to need more dogs. | |
04-17-2020 09:25 AM
#709
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Can you pass the dog test? | |
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04-17-2020 10:40 AM
#710
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I've heard your dog can be upstairs while you're downstairs, and he not only knows which room you're in by smell, but what part of that room. | |
04-17-2020 11:41 AM
#711
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I'm under the impression that training a dog to smell something is not trivial, be it bombs, drugs or whatever, takes at least 6 months. The training is mainly based on positive reinforcement, that is giving a treat when the dog sniffs something correctly. And obviously that's one smell per dog, even when it would be cool to teach them to bark once for cancer and twice for covid. | |
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04-17-2020 12:28 PM
#712
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Obviously the breed of dog is important, intelligent dogs being much better than thick dogs at knowing what it is humans expect of them. A collie might be able to learn to bark twice for cancer, but a dribbling boxer will probably just look at you hoping it did good. | |
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04-17-2020 01:06 PM
#713
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Well you could have the dog alert to either whatever cancer they're trained on first, or CV. Pass them around an old folks' home and whoever they bark at gets a CV test first, and if that's negative, then a cancer test. | |
04-17-2020 01:35 PM
#714
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I think we absolutely need to pursue every avenue in this. If this drags well into '21 with more or less full lockdowns as it seems now, it's gonna get ugly. Our gov estimates close to 2% lost GDP per month. | |
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04-17-2020 01:36 PM
#715
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https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/sta...342945794?s=20 | |
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04-17-2020 01:42 PM
#716
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04-17-2020 01:52 PM
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04-17-2020 01:59 PM
#718
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What do you mean? Corporations got their bailout cheques... it'll trickle down any day now! | |
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04-17-2020 02:10 PM
#719
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Heh, yeah. | |
04-17-2020 06:43 PM
#720
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They say it's due to deaths outside of hospitals (died at home, care homes, prisons etc). USA accuse them of a cover up, but strangely haven't accused Spain of doing so, even though their numbers have recently been boosted by care home deaths, and even though Spain plan to stop counting those who have not been confirmed by tests to have covid. | |
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04-17-2020 07:21 PM
#721
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And here's a picture of Jacksonville FL beach 26 minutes after it was re-opened. Apparently there is no cure for moronavirus. | |
04-17-2020 08:11 PM
#722
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04-19-2020 03:30 AM
#723
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The Boris Show. | |
04-19-2020 04:50 AM
#724
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One more for the CV-sniffing team. | |
04-19-2020 03:52 PM
#725
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The Empire Strikes Back: UK gov't responding to Times article two posts above ^^ | |
04-19-2020 05:34 PM
#726
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By "argh", poop means the UK govt explain their position in a rational manner. | |
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04-19-2020 05:45 PM
#727
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They didn't adequately refute it at all imo. | |
04-19-2020 06:00 PM
#728
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From what I could tell, the UK's position is "we've followed scientific advise at all times". I didn't read the Times article, so I have no idea if they refuted it all. That said, they've refuted enough for me to be satisfied that I'm not going to be able to draw any conclusions. | |
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04-19-2020 06:34 PM
#729
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It just seems a bit convenient that the scientific advice they chose to follow happened to be the same advice that required the least action from them, since they clearly had other things on their mind at the time and a pandemic was certainly inconvenient for them. But by the time this got out of China, it was known to be both deadly and highly infectious, and by the time it took hold in Italy, even a layman could see it was just a matter of time before it got to everywhere. | |
04-19-2020 07:29 PM
#730
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04-20-2020 04:03 AM
#731
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If you 're going to argue at least try to get the basic facts right. We went into lockdown March 23rd, not the 11th. Lombardy was locked down 21 Feb., so apparently the Italians at least thought it had taken hold then. | |
04-20-2020 05:23 AM
#732
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We didn't suddenly go into lockdown on the 21st, we progressively went into lockdown over a period of time, until the 21st, by which point we were in full lockdown. I came back from my Mom's after a week there on the 7th, and did a large shop in anticipation of a lockdown. I had to cover extra shifts at Oxfam as the oldies were being advised to stay at home. | |
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04-20-2020 05:40 AM
#733
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The gov't had access to a number of conflicting opinions, just like every other government. They chose which one to listen to, so yeah it's on them. | |
04-20-2020 05:51 AM
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04-20-2020 06:08 AM
#735
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It's one thing to accept the advice from the chicken little type experts and thus be over-cautious in your response, it's another to accept the advice from the nothing to see here experts and do next to nothing. Clearly, no-one in Europe was being over-cautious, but apart from us, no-one else was being as complacent. | |
04-20-2020 06:10 AM
#736
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Here's another question for you: Are you ok with the gov't using the Dept. of Health website to put their own spin on the Times article? | |
04-20-2020 06:22 AM
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04-20-2020 06:31 AM
#738
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On another note, Tony Blair is trending on Twitter because the left want him back. Fuck me. It really does come to something when people would rather have a war criminal who sold off our gold and fucked the economy in charge than mop head Boris. I mean, at least Boris hasn't invaded any countries yet based on a pack of lies. | |
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04-20-2020 06:34 AM
#739
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fyp | |
04-20-2020 06:40 AM
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04-20-2020 06:44 AM
#741
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China were complacent because they didn't tell the WHO immediately how serious this was. Just because they locked down Wuhan, doesn't mean they dealt with this well. | |
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04-20-2020 06:47 AM
#742
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Incorrect. I already stated that I have faith in an inquiry, not media articles, because politicians can lie to the press and face no litigation. I didn't read the Times article because I am lazy. I breezed through the refutation to see what the tone was. From what I could tell, it was a reasonable refutation, but I'll wait for the inquiry before I draw any conclusions. So my view is not biased, it's neutral. The govt could indeed be fucking this up royally, and criminally. It'll just take more than the internet for me to believe that. | |
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04-20-2020 07:02 AM
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04-20-2020 07:07 AM
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04-20-2020 07:40 AM
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04-20-2020 09:51 AM
#746
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Days matter a lot when death rates are doubling every 2-5 days. So you can't just say 'we were a day behind on this or that measure relative to another country, so what?' | |
04-20-2020 10:08 AM
#747
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As best I can tell, our ICU capacity is ok. I've seen no reports yet that we're overwhelmed. And our deaths are probably 7000 short due to the fact we're yet to count care homes. | |
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04-20-2020 10:36 AM
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04-20-2020 10:41 AM
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04-20-2020 11:45 AM
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