04-03-2020 10:07 AM
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04-03-2020 10:14 AM
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I did watch a recent Fox news segment yesterday just because I was feeling masochistic, and the host Ingraham was sarcastically slamming Fauci and the Dems for not accepting the 'evidence' that those lupus/malaria drugs work on CV. The evidence was ONE study, which I understand has come under a lot of criticism for being badly designed and analysed. But of course she presented it like it was conclusive proof. | |
04-03-2020 10:29 AM
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04-03-2020 10:35 AM
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04-03-2020 10:45 AM
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Fauci is a respectable person. He's aware of the economic implications of over-reacting, of having a shut-down that extends beyond the necessary point to limit the infection. He's aware that there's a balance, and that we're not waiting for CV death rates to go to 0 before we remove the restrictions. | |
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04-03-2020 10:53 AM
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Yeah Fauci seems pretty level-headed. It's a shame the MAGA-tards are so paranoid that an expert can't rightly contradict their dear leader without them ascribing it to some deep level conspiracy. | |
04-03-2020 11:19 AM
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It's just so fitting that the only voice of reason in the administration is getting death threats. How dare he speak in full comprehensible sentences and sound like an adult. | |
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04-03-2020 04:49 PM
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Relevant to our mask discussion: | |
04-03-2020 10:33 PM
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I'm embedded into what you could call 3 different types of base MAGA types. 2 of them don't have a problem with Fauci. You can imagine my surprise when I start hearing how Fauci is supposedly bad. My main source of that info is from non-MAGAs, and small secondary source is one of the sub-MAGA types. |
04-03-2020 11:12 PM
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How amazing is it to see that experts have been wrong every step of the way on the virus? |
04-03-2020 11:57 PM
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If China doesn't close their wet markets, does it mean they don't care what damage they do to the world or that they're altering viruses in laboratories? |
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04-04-2020 04:03 AM
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04-04-2020 10:17 AM
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Can it be so binary? | |
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04-04-2020 02:02 PM
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Here's one specific example of Fauci saying it's not a major threat and US citizens shouldnt be worried about. During the same time period others (many non-experts, like me) were saying flights with China needed to be shut down. |
04-04-2020 02:10 PM
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When I'm trying to be as clear-headed about it as I can, here's my view: |
04-04-2020 02:54 PM
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As bad as this event is, it might be the best event of our lives because of the constructive revolution it may catalyze. |
04-04-2020 03:40 PM
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04-04-2020 03:42 PM
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I'd love to see data on death rates from pneumonia now. And from other closely relevant conditions. Might be extremely important data because it could show if we're rightly (or wrongly) attributing deaths to COVID-19 |
04-04-2020 04:07 PM
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There's not too much to understand about exponential growth. If you understand 2 x 2 = 4 x 2 = 8 x 2 =16 and so on, you've pretty much grasped it. | |
Last edited by Poopadoop; 04-05-2020 at 06:00 AM. | |
04-04-2020 04:08 PM
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04-04-2020 04:10 PM
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AFAIK they only attribute deaths to CV if the person has tested positive for it. Pneumonia is a complicating factor that arises because their immune system is weak. So in a way, the pneumonia is what kills them. The problem is they wouldn't have got the pneumonia in the first place if not for having CV. | |
04-04-2020 04:11 PM
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04-04-2020 04:12 PM
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Swine flu, avian flu, MERS. | |
04-04-2020 04:13 PM
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Oh, and cows too (J-K disease). | |
04-04-2020 04:14 PM
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Fortunately I found this. Appears to me to not suggest reason to believe there is a misallocation of pneumonia/influenza deaths. |
04-04-2020 04:15 PM
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04-04-2020 04:18 PM
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04-04-2020 04:30 PM
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No, I mean CV is killing 500+ people a day. There will certainly be fewer car accidents right now, we might be down to one or two dying on the roads each day. There's probably fewer people getting stabbed up, too, or for you Yanks, no school shootings. This must have also thwarted at least some terrorist activity. Imagine if you'd spent ten years plotting to bomb Glastonbury. How pissed off would you be right now? | |
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04-04-2020 04:33 PM
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04-04-2020 07:22 PM
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04-04-2020 09:34 PM
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But then there's this. If accurate, it suggests we REALLY need to figure out if we're not overestimating the impact of COVID-19. |
04-04-2020 11:50 PM
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Super important to figure out if we're counting the impact of COVID-19 correctly |
04-05-2020 02:20 AM
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04-05-2020 02:46 AM
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04-05-2020 05:50 AM
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Here's one way to look at impact: | |
04-05-2020 06:40 AM
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04-05-2020 07:11 AM
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Gov't here has closed several parks, and has just threatened to ban all outdoor exercise if twats don't stop sunbathing in them. | |
04-05-2020 07:18 AM
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All respiratory bacteria/viruses are transmissible from person-to-person, including pneumonia. | |
04-05-2020 07:23 AM
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In the end though, does it matter if we're off by a few hundred? | |
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04-05-2020 07:28 AM
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04-05-2020 07:46 AM
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04-05-2020 08:13 AM
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https://twitter.com/Psythor/status/1246761523269242886 | |
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04-05-2020 08:20 AM
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Well you're not wrong. The pneumonia (=infection of the lungs) doesn't spread, the things causing pneumonia do. | |
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04-05-2020 08:32 AM
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04-05-2020 08:37 AM
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04-05-2020 09:23 AM
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I wouldn't go so far as to say 'mostly'. Some of it may be infection from other people, and some is just the immune system being weakened by whatever else made them sick to begin with. | |
04-05-2020 09:27 AM
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04-05-2020 09:58 AM
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Pneumonia is interesting in that regard, though, as it is a symptom caused by multiple, very different vectors. | |
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04-05-2020 10:06 AM
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04-05-2020 11:17 AM
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04-05-2020 11:20 AM
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04-05-2020 11:23 AM
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04-05-2020 11:26 AM
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04-05-2020 11:48 AM
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I wonder what it would take -- after this settles down -- for society to have an adult discussion about lifestyle (instead of like what happened with PoundMeToo: the emotion-bellowing cancel-crisis). |
04-05-2020 11:52 AM
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Example: I'd like to see us decide that it's virtuous to encourage people to live healthier lifestyles. NOT villainize those who live unhealthy lifestyles. |
04-05-2020 11:54 AM
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04-05-2020 12:01 PM
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Ya, I think they're being a bit paranoid, but maybe not totally. Seems a lot more dangerous when you're in a confined space with others. | |
04-05-2020 12:03 PM
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04-05-2020 12:05 PM
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04-05-2020 12:07 PM
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04-05-2020 12:08 PM
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Picture perfect editorial journalism from Jake Tapper |
04-05-2020 12:09 PM
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04-05-2020 12:14 PM
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04-05-2020 12:46 PM
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The 5G bollocks is mostly coming from flat earthers. Pointing out that Iran has CV but not 5G is like showing them a picture of the curve. It's a lie, fish eye lens, you're a NASA fanboy etc. | |
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04-05-2020 12:56 PM
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If someone wants to argue this pandemic is a hoax, I'll listen without assuming they're a retard. It could be a hoax. But for it to be a hoax, it implies total global control for the "elite" or whatever we're going to call them. And this is no 9/11, there's no "jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams" or "the towers fell too fast". If this is a hoax, it's a fucking brilliant hoax. | |
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04-05-2020 01:13 PM
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It would require the worldwide conspiracy of people who have literally sworn to "do no harm" as part of taking their jobs. | |
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04-05-2020 01:25 PM
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If Ong says it's a tinfoil hat theory, that's enough for me. | |
04-05-2020 01:28 PM
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That said, has anyone seen Fauci's DNA profile? | |
04-05-2020 02:04 PM
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@mojo | |
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04-05-2020 02:05 PM
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I saw you later capitulated on this point. Why? Pneumonia is the condition in which one or both of your lungs is inflamed from a viral, bacterial, or fungal infection and fill with liquid. You drown on dry land. | |
04-05-2020 02:13 PM
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04-05-2020 02:21 PM
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04-05-2020 02:22 PM
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Of couse. Its also (imo much more) possible to have people who were dying from ARDS where the underyling cause was attributed to something else because at the time the death itself was not considered a huge surprise and/or CV-reported cases were low. "one more old geezer getting a cold that leads to pneumonia? ya, ok died from 'complications'." | |
04-05-2020 02:26 PM
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04-05-2020 02:27 PM
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