03-22-2020 03:18 PM
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03-22-2020 08:07 PM
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Apparently Harvey Weinstein has it. Obviously it will kill him. | |
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03-22-2020 11:02 PM
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Over time we might find that what happened over this time period is much different than we currently think. A sign of that coming could be such differentiation in results that different countries seem to experience. |
03-23-2020 01:49 AM
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That's true, we don't know how many people are infected, so the rates for hospitalization and deaths are rough estimates. Testing is expensive, poop quoted $35 but apparently here the PCR tests cost 200€ and take 2 days, a 15 minute test is coming out soon. The PCR tests are lab work and have limited capacity, here at the moment 1500 tests per day, being raised to 2500. Testing everyone would cost a billion and take 5 years. | |
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03-23-2020 02:12 AM
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Just to annoy poop. | |
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03-23-2020 03:51 AM
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He sure is humble that guy: "Hey look at all the people who agree with me!" I mean, he seriously went to the trouble of listing their names one by one and how they endorsed him. | |
03-23-2020 03:59 AM
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I don't think any of that should affect the interpretation of the data in any way, right? | |
Last edited by CoccoBill; 03-23-2020 at 04:02 AM.
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03-23-2020 04:04 AM
#158
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Anyways, on to things that actually matter. Where are you guys getting 0.4% from? | |
03-23-2020 04:17 AM
#159
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We need some Italian mayors, please. These people aren't getting it. | |
03-23-2020 04:21 AM
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The outstanding cases only include confirmed/tested cases. The assumption is that 80% have mild or no symptoms, so missing 2/3 of the cases is maybe not unlikely. Many countries, mine included is not testing everyone with flu symptoms, only severe cases requiring hospitalization. We have 600 confirmed cases but the estimate for the real number is 12000-18000. | |
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03-23-2020 04:30 AM
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The 0.4% might be from China's numbers, not really sure but I've seen that number quoted as the low end with proper ICU care. | |
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03-23-2020 05:01 AM
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This seems key, but the only way we would know this is if we blanket tested everybody, or at least some large sample. How do you know x% have no/mild symptoms if they never get confirmed as having CV because they have mild/no symptoms? There's no numbers to do the math on. | |
03-23-2020 05:45 AM
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I guess that would mean that the situation regarding the number of infections currently is somewhat better than feared, but on the other hand things might get a lot worse soon. All the more reason to lock down everything non-essential asap. Interesting to see what's gonna happen in Sweden, who are still going with the UK strategy of trying to slow down infections. | |
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03-23-2020 05:56 AM
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Here's where the 0.4% is from: | |
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03-23-2020 06:20 AM
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Ah, thanks. | |
Last edited by Poopadoop; 03-23-2020 at 06:25 AM. | |
03-23-2020 09:28 AM
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03-23-2020 08:38 PM
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Craziest thing is that we still use toilet paper like fucking savages. |
03-23-2020 09:30 PM
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I haven't dry wiped in probably a decade save for a few desperate cases where I showered as soon as possible. | |
03-23-2020 10:44 PM
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“We Should Pay Almost Anything to Shorten the Shut Down...100 Manhattan Projects.” |
03-24-2020 02:17 AM
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03-24-2020 02:21 AM
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03-24-2020 06:11 AM
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I wipe until my arse is clean. I only moisten the bog roll if needs be. | |
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03-24-2020 07:46 AM
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Funny thing is that while on vacation, every bathroom had both TP and a little hand-held bidet. | |
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03-24-2020 09:02 AM
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For most of my life, I thought a bidet was for cleaning feet. I think I've only seen one once or twice in my life. The idea that you squirt water up your arse to clean it is quite amusing to me. And yes, it still needs drying. Admittedly, you can just stand there and let it drip dry if there's no bog roll, but still, I'd rather not. | |
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03-24-2020 02:25 PM
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Trump openly questioning if the "cure is worse than the virus". I was basically asking this question not so long ago, and I've come to realise the answer is... depends how many ICUs you have. | |
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03-24-2020 02:34 PM
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Yep-- also herd immunity comes about in two different ways: | |
03-24-2020 02:51 PM
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1. Trump is taking a big hit in $$$ personally with the shutdown of hotels, golf courses, etc.. Gee, I wonder if that has any influence over his attitude? Oh wait, actually no I don't wonder that at all. Because it's Trump. | |
03-24-2020 02:56 PM
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I mean we basically have herd immunity from Spanish flu... that's why swine flu didn't fuck us too bad. But the cost humanity paid in 1919 for this herd immunity was huge, and not a cost we should be openly willing to pay. | |
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03-24-2020 02:58 PM
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03-24-2020 02:59 PM
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Not an expert, but my understanding is there is no guarantee we get immunity from a single bout of CV. The antibodies eventually go away is what I heard. | |
03-24-2020 03:05 PM
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03-24-2020 03:22 PM
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03-24-2020 04:06 PM
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The flu is the perfect counter example-- it is fast mutating and herd immunity only comes through the flu vaccine, which is a gamble each year, since the epidemiologists need to predict which strain of flu will be most dominant and vaccinate against that. So, yes, our immune systems learn, but viruses mutate (learn) too, and some (this one and the flu) much faster than others. | |
03-24-2020 04:26 PM
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Viruses do indeed mutate, but it's because they're evolving, and their evolutionary goal is to basically infect as many lifeforms as possible. They can do that better if they are more contagious, and less harmful. I'm not suggesting that viruses plan their evolutionary future, but ideal evolution is to be less severe, to the point of being completely harmless. | |
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03-24-2020 04:30 PM
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03-24-2020 04:51 PM
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03-24-2020 04:55 PM
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03-24-2020 05:02 PM
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I know this belongs in the other thread, but half of your poop's volume by weight is dead bacteria cells that normally live in your colon digesting your food. Fact. | |
03-24-2020 05:04 PM
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Yeah, I've been on Michael Mosley's gut biome diet for over a year. Greek yoghurt and fermented foods ftw. | |
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03-24-2020 05:12 PM
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Ok, so how many of these people: | |
03-24-2020 05:16 PM
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Most fit into category (b). | |
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03-24-2020 05:23 PM
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I thought there was 80% coverage of lost wages or whatever. | |
03-24-2020 05:29 PM
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There are many viable "strategies" for a virus. The common cold is certainly one, but something with a very long incubation period and a high death rate could be another. It's hard to imagine what the evolutionary pressure would be on the virus to become less deadly if there's plenty of opportunity for it to spread before its host dies. But as others have said, I am not an expert and just playing with ideas here. | |
03-24-2020 05:34 PM
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Yep. But if the virus kills too many people, it's harder for it to spread. | |
03-24-2020 05:51 PM
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NY governor said "we do not put a dollar figure on human life". |
03-24-2020 05:58 PM
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That isn't stopping bosses telling their staff they can and therefore must work. It's not just "key workers" who are allowed to work... it's anyone who can do so safely. It's basically for a company to decide if it's safe for their employees to work. | |
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03-24-2020 06:01 PM
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03-24-2020 06:06 PM
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03-24-2020 06:08 PM
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03-24-2020 06:10 PM
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It's easy to demonstrate that a life has a monetary value, just not so easy to identify that value. | |
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03-24-2020 06:40 PM
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Bingo. |
03-24-2020 07:20 PM
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Fucking some people. | |
03-24-2020 07:27 PM
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Oh look, an economist has solved the problem: | |
03-24-2020 07:46 PM
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There are other ways to establish the concept of the monetary value of a life. | |
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03-24-2020 07:48 PM
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People who say lives aren't worth money are either stupid, or virtue signalling. | |
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03-24-2020 08:16 PM
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https://www.thoughtco.com/worth-of-y...ements-3976054 | |
03-24-2020 08:30 PM
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03-24-2020 09:21 PM
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03-24-2020 09:27 PM
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What right wing pundits are talking about right now with life vs economy numbers... we're probably talking way way under 1M per life if people go back to work... and we're not talking about saving lives by sacrificing lives because these people wouldn't die... most people don't have the wealth to be significantly impacted by an economic downturn. This is about people risking life and limb to keep up the profits of their employers while they don't even get increased pay. I can't get behind the mind of a supermarket worker who keeps working for minimum wage right now. If these fuckers threaten a general strike they could snap double their wages right now. | |
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03-24-2020 10:14 PM
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Kill one person you can observe for $1bn then donate it to disease prevention in third world and save more lives by orders of magnitude |
03-25-2020 10:06 AM
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03-25-2020 10:09 AM
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03-25-2020 11:35 AM
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Last edited by Poopadoop; 03-25-2020 at 11:37 AM. | |
03-25-2020 12:28 PM
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I didn't say it wasn't selfish to hoard toilet paper. I just said it's understandable because people behave in unusual ways when they panic. | |
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03-25-2020 01:07 PM
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Kind of a moot point anyways since there's no way they'd have the balls to go on strike right now, even though they are being somewhat exploited. | |
03-25-2020 02:01 PM
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I think so. It would be foolish to go on strike over money anyway, I mean usually nobody gives a fuck about shelf stackers, but right now they are rightly being hailed as national heroes. Throwing a tantrum over money while people are dying due to a pandemic would be extremely callous. | |
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03-25-2020 03:09 PM
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https://time.com/5805368/will-corona...-organization/ | |
Last edited by Poopadoop; 03-25-2020 at 03:18 PM. | |
03-26-2020 02:11 PM
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It appears that cases in Washington are falling behind many other states at a quickened pace. WA deaths look to be over the hump (probably) and declining (probably). |
03-26-2020 02:18 PM
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How the hell does the USA not notice it has a 1% killer virus outbreak for two months? I think there's a lot of people who got regular nasty flu and now think they had Wuhan plague. My housemates say exactly the same, that they had it before Christmas. Bollocks did they. | |
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03-26-2020 02:18 PM
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03-26-2020 02:21 PM
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Theoretically, it takes < day someone to fly from China to the UK. That, plus a train ride to wherever you live is about how long behind China your area could be. | |
03-26-2020 02:24 PM
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Possibly because people don't know how easily a virus can spread. Media reported the couple cases we got as quarantined and basically fixed. They did NOT report that finding those cases at our airport and a few other spots almost certainly meant the virus was spreading undetected. |
03-26-2020 02:24 PM
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I think you can get a good idea of how many people are being tested by comparing cases to death rate. In Germany, where testing is widespread, cases/death ratio is low, while in Italy it is terrible. I assume in Italy testing is not so widespread, and also their health system has collapsed. In the UK, our case/death ratio isn't actually too bad, so either people are being tested, or our health system is performing better than average. | |
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03-26-2020 02:26 PM
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Sainsbury (a local supermarket) today was forcing people to queue to go into the store, and only letting another person in when someone else left. I'm thinking 'oh good.' | |
03-26-2020 02:26 PM
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