Chance to pay no rake

[riverking]

How many poker players would risk paying double the rake, in exchange for the chance to pay no rake, on the pots they win?

[BooG690]

lol

[daven]

not many, if any

[riverking]

So you are saying that you don't think many players would be interested in a double or nothing rake

[daven]

So you are saying that you don't think many players would be interested in a double or nothing rake

^this. Name one benefit of a double of nothing rake to someone who wins more than a couple of pots a day.

[kiwiMark]

So you are saying that you don't think many if any players would be interested in a double or nothing rake

FYP

[rong]

I like toss the boss in a bar, but its pointless with rake.

[riverking]

One benefit would be a chance to overcome the rake, especially in low limit games.

[rong]

Well if its paying double or nothing rake, but its better than a 50% chance of paying nothing, it wouldn't be so bad.

[Ash256]

One benefit would be a chance to overcome the rake, especially in low limit games.

However one drawback would be the chance of doubling it.

[OngBonga]

I don't pay rake, the fish pay my rake for me.

I don't get this. You win a pot, then what, the poker room flips a digital coin to decide if you pay double rake or zero rake? Doesn't this just average out over time? Or am I totally missing the point?

[BooG690]

I don't pay rake, the fish pay my rake for me.

wat

[kiwiMark]

wat

I'd guess he means because rake is technically paid by the winner.

[riverking]

The players would individually choose if they want the regular rake or this rake method used before the start of the hand. At the end of the hand, before pot is pushed the dealer will turn up burn cards 1, 2, 3 or 4(for 7-card stud games). the outcome of these burn cards will determine rate of rake to be taken. For speed purposes, dealer will collect regular rake amount throughout hand as regular, at the end the dealer will drop what they took out, put back into pot what they took out and push 100% of pot to winner, or take an additional amount equal to what was already taken out and drop.

[givememyleg]

[BooG690]

We can embed video now?

[jyms]

We can embed video now?

FYP

[a500lbgorilla]

Explain this witchcraft!

[a500lbgorilla]

[jyms]

^^^^^^Awesome movie

Love the whole new way to troll and derail threads of little importance. FTR is gonna get some traffic now hehe

[riverking]

^^^^^^Awesome movie

Love the whole new way to troll and derail threads of little importance. FTR is gonna get some traffic now hehe

I don't believe this idea is of little importance. I don't like paying time especially if I don't win a hand. And I don't like paying the rake out of my pots, so I thought of an idea in which there is a chance for me to not pay. I know there is a chance to pay double, but I'm gambling anyways. It's like a even money bet against the house, based on the outcome of the flop. And since most poker table bankrolls are fixed bankrolls, this is the only way to place a bet against the house to get paid is for it to be paid out of rake that was to be collected.

[Hawk]

I don't believe this idea is of little importance.

Of course you don't, it's your thread. I'm pretty sure that the rest of us disagree.

It's like a even money bet against the house

Right. All this would accomplish would be increasing variance and complicating the rake process.

[kiwiMark]

I just feel like this might work better if it was the risk of paying triple rake vs the reward of a romantic evening with bigred

[d0zer]

I don't believe this idea is of little importance. I don't like paying time especially if I don't win a hand. And I don't like paying the rake out of my pots, so I thought of an idea in which there is a chance for me to not pay. I know there is a chance to pay double, but I'm gambling anyways. It's like a even money bet against the house, based on the outcome of the flop. And since most poker table bankrolls are fixed bankrolls, this is the only way to place a bet against the house to get paid is for it to be paid out of rake that was to be collected.

You're winning so many pots in a session, and you're paying such a little amount in rake on each of these pots, you want the sites to build in this little gambol mechanism so you can indulge your sense of gambol while you gambol? Never mind the fact that this will quickly average out to even anyway due to the number of times you pay rake per session that what you're basically suggesting is that the sites build in a useless gambol mechanism that does little more than distract you from the things you should be paying attention to mid-session.

If you want to gambol while you gambol, petition the sites to build in props on cards/suits and you get paid if the board pairs/trips/flushes with your card/suit. More entertaining than silly rake flips.

[rong]

Dude, anyone who plays a lot would just break even over a large sample, so they won't care. So there is no point.

If you don't see this, you're probably in the wrong place.

[supa]

Dude, anyone who plays a lot would just break even over a large sample, so they won't care. So there is no point.

If you don't see this, you're probably in the wrong place.

Exactly this.

You'd have to advertise to people that don't understand poker as a long term game. You'll get no love here.

[BooG690]

Less feeding of troll, more youtube videos!

[BennyLaRue]

romantic

evening with bigred

REDUNDANCY!

[BennyLaRue]

You guise are all wrong. I know the answer.

How many poker players would risk paying double the rake, in exchange for the chance to pay no rake, on the pots they win?

1

[d0zer]

You're playing 100 no limits holds them pokers, an aggressive reg 3bets his SB after you open the BU with AKo. "AHA! I've got you now" you exclaim as you put in your standard 4bet, calling with delight as he shoves over. He flips KK and you slam your fist down, angry at the laggs always havin' it. The ace comes on the flop and we fistpump tantalizingly all the way down the safe river.

The excitement doesn't stop there though, because now we see if the RAKEDOMIZER will give us a TWO HUNDRED DOLLAR, or a measly $194 pot. The spinning rake icon slows to a halt and to our delight is snapped in half, indicating that the greedy poker site will NOT be robbing us this bout! We have toppled the mighty laggreg and oppressive rake machine in one fell swoop!

[Penneywize]

haha post of the week.

[riverking]

TWO HUNDRED DOLLAR, or a measly $194 pot.

Granted yes saving $6 isn't much when you are winning a $200 pot, but what about the $50 pots where you only get to keep $45 instead of $50.

[rpm]

you are really missing the point. poker players don't care about this idea because they don't make any more or less money out of it. not a cent. so it's entirely a waste of time and mental energy. which could be spent trying to make more money.

[kiwiMark]

TWO HUNDRED DOLLAR, or a measly $194 pot.

Granted yes saving $6 isn't much when you are winning a $200 pot, but what about the $50 pots where you only get to keep $40 instead of $50.

your system would be robbing me blind! I thought like all the others that this idea was pointless cos it evens out in the end, but now I see it's actually just designed to give poker rooms a chance to overcome my edge!

[riverking]

If you want to gambol while you gambol, petition the sites to build in props on cards/suits and you get paid if the board pairs/trips/flushes with your card/suit. More entertaining than silly rake flips.

This idea is for live poker rooms that use a fixed bankroll, in which it is impossible to bet any props or side-bets against the house because the bankroll cannot vary in amount. This allows a small side-bet against the house that is not going to drastically cut into the amount of players' funds from the table.

[riverking]

your system would be robbing me blind! I thought like all the others that this idea was pointless cos it evens out in the end, but now I see it's actually just designed to give poker rooms a chance to overcome my edge!

You could keep $40 - $45 - or $50 out of a $50 pot. So let's see heads up $50 pot, you risk $25 to win $45, but you wouldn't risk $5 to win $5. I'm lost..

[kiwiMark]

you risk $25 to win $45, but you wouldn't risk $5 to win $5. I'm lost..

you and me both, bud, you and me both.

[kiwiMark]

seriously though why not just have a red/black bet running with the guy next to you?

[eugmac]

i for one think it's a great idea. i think you should immediately run to the patent office with it. good luck with your venture.

[riverking]

What I'm saying it's heads up you have contributed $25 to the pot and another player has also contributed $25 to pot, for a total pot of $50. The house takes 10% rake maximum $5, leaves you with $45. You had a one in two chance of winning heads up. Now you are offered the chance to keep that $5 but you have to risk $5 more, and there is a one in two chance of winning or losing it. Meaning you risked more on the hand for the return you received than risking the $5 for the return of additional $5.

[riverking]

seriously though why not just have a red/black bet running with the guy next to you?

because it's illegal, its not permitted in any card room i have worked at our played at.

[kiwiMark]

What I'm saying it's heads up you have contributed $25 to the pot and another player has also contributed $25 to pot, for a total pot of $50. The house takes 10% rake maximum $5, leaves you with $45. You had a one in two chance of winning heads up.

This is a massive assumption and highly unlikely.

But anyway nobody's arguing that your bet is a losing proposition, just that it's a waste of time - there are heaps of ways to gamble with even money bets, that're easier than fucking with the rake system at a poker table.

[kiwiMark]

because it's illegal, its not permitted in any card room i have worked at our played at.

okay but we're living in fantasy land where your rake system exists so what's the difference?

Anyway I guess boog's right, so I'll just leave the thread with this and move on

[Luco]

You're winning so many pots in a session, and you're paying such a little amount in rake on each of these pots, you want the sites to build in this little gambol mechanism so you can indulge your sense of gambol while you gambol?

[d0zer]

Granted yes saving $6 isn't much when you are winning a $200 pot, but what about the $50 pots where you only get to keep $45 instead of $50.

you want this implemented in live games, so the dealers have more to keep track of and the game gets even slower?

[bode]

wrong picture, but A+ effort.

edit: Luco's post obv.

[NightGizmo]

What I'm saying it's heads up you have contributed $25 to the pot and another player has also contributed $25 to pot, for a total pot of $50. The house takes 10% rake maximum $5, leaves you with $45. You had a one in two chance of winning heads up. Now you are offered the chance to keep that $5 but you have to risk $5 more, and there is a one in two chance of winning or losing it. Meaning you risked more on the hand for the return you received than risking the $5 for the return of additional $5.

You know what I like doing? Wasting time in a live casino with 0EV bets instead of playing hands and winning money. And that's exactly what you're proposing, so I think this sounds like a great idea!

Let's make it even better! If you lose and have to pay double rake, you then have the option of going to a wheel-of-fortune type wheel and giving it a spin. If you win, you don't pay any rake. But if you lose, you pay quadruple rake. But hey! You get two chances to get back your rake!

Unfortunately, the wheel is outside of the poker room, so you have to make everyone wait while you get up and spin it. And it takes a while to spin, since we don't want to leave out the element of suspense!

When will a casino near me have this, because now I can't imagine playing poker with regular rake, the game is ruined for me!

[NightGizmo]

By the way, good luck selling this to a casino. "I have an idea for a side-game that won't make you any money, but will have the effect of slowing down your games thus reducing your gross daily rake."

Players don't want it, casino's won't want it. Just give up, man.

[OngBonga]

I wanna flip a coin for a dollar until my eyes bleed, anyone in?

[BennyLaRue]

I wanna flip a coin for a dollar until my eyes bleed, anyone in?

Is it a dollar coin?

[OngBonga]

Is there a dollar coin?

[JKDS]

Do the British eat crumpets?

[BennyLaRue]

Is there a dollar coin?

Where? In your hand? Is this the game?

[JKDS]

I wanna play! Can i pay rake on it?

[OngBonga]

Do the British eat crumpets?

What, these kind of crumpets?



Yes we do, I think I'll have some right now.

Benny, we blah blah flip blather yadda yadda *yawn* until waa waa for a dollar, you get me now?

[BennyLaRue]

Benny, we blah blah flip blather yadda yadda *yawn* until waa waa for a dollar, you get me now?

NO, I WILL NOT HAVE SEX WITH YOU FOR A DOLLAR, SIR.

[OngBonga]

NO, I WILL NOT HAVE SEX WITH YOU FOR A DOLLAR, SIR.

Worth a shot.

[supa]

Crumpets look like english muffins. I like english muffins.

[eugmac]

Ya supa pretty similar, but crumpets are fluffier/softer whereas english muffins are kinda crispy. anyway scones >>> either of those. mmm scones.

[Penneywize]

I had a scone once, had to switch to eating chalk to get some kinda moisture in my mouth.

I guess the key point of the above sentence is that I believe scones are dry.

[BooG690]

I like ice cream.

[kiwiMark]

I had a scone once, had to switch to eating chalk to get some kinda moisture in my mouth.

I guess the key point of the above sentence is that I believe scones are dry.

Maybe you ate a dry scone. Scone and jam and a little bit of whipped cream is pretty fucking key. Mmmmmm devonshire.

[rong]

I wanna play! Can i pay rake on it?

Yep. And you get to flip a coin for double or nothing rake.

[bikes]

kiwimark has had nothing but zingers in this thread and deserves recognition for it.

[supa]

Umm... Zingers.

[Icanhastreebet]

What You Just Said... - YouTube

[jyms]

FYP

[supa]

Ernie Anastos Keep Fucking That Chicken Remix Beat - YouTube

[d0zer]

[supa]

I hate to derail such a useful thread but how the fuck do you embed video? And wtf is embed?

[Galapogos]

I hate to derail such a useful thread but how the fuck do you embed video? And wtf is embed?

You need at least 1k posts for this to work.

[mbiz]

lol ate a scone on its own. Add whipped cream and strawberry jam and its unbelievabubble. (ie +1 kiwi)

[rong]

Isn't it supposed to be clotted cream?

[supa]

You need at least 1k posts for this to work.

Time to get to trollin da bc.

[eugmac]

I had a scone once, had to switch to eating chalk to get some kinda moisture in my mouth.

I guess the key point of the above sentence is that I believe scones are dry.

Get a gf who can bake imo.