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    Default Canada to become first G7 nation to legalize marijuana

    http://news.yahoo.com/canada-become-...204501904.html

    We'll see how this works out. I think marijuana is safer than alcohol when it comes to driving but at least we have a way to measure alcohol. In California the BAC must be under .08 or else it's a DUI. How will Canada measure whether drivers have too much marijuana in their systems to drive safely? How do states like Colorado and Washington determine if a driver has had too much marijuana?
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    I get the idea that a single (BAC) number is the line and you're on one side of that line or the other, and the action for the officer to take is clear. However, the specific BAC at which an individual is more of a risk than otherwise is personal to them. Some people can't handle a single drink, other people can toss 'em back (Geez, is this right? Seems right).

    However, alcohol and driving were around long before a roadside BAC test. Remember saying your ABC's backwards or holding your arms out horizontally to your sides and bring one finger to touch your nose? Those were personalized tests to determine if an individual had capable motor function and reasoning to operate a vehicle.

    I would much prefer an individualized test of reasoning (or reaction time) and motor functions. I do not know at all how (in)accurate the old method was, but it was not ideal, either. I assume leaving the decision to the subjective judgement of the officer on the scene caused it's own form of problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    How do states like Colorado and Washington determine if a driver has had too much marijuana?
    Colorado Department of Transportation Website with FAQ's

    Something not too similar for Oregon
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    It's good that the issue isn't mental health or family health or physical health or anything but how high-drivers need to be dealt with. I think that speaks to the safety of the drug itself.

    I'm not a great sober driver, I get distracted with people watching, yelling at the radio, and frequent day dreaming, but I'm still better sober than I am a little sliced-and-twisted.

    It's a very interesting law-enforcement question with how you should deal with drivers that are compromised without some hard reference like a breathalyzer. We're moving to a world where an officer can't be trusted on his word and judgement, and without something hard and time-sensitive to fall back on, I don't think many people are going to get a DWI for blowing THC rings before taking a trip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    I get the idea that a single (BAC) number is the line and you're on one side of that line or the other, and the action for the officer to take is clear. However, the specific BAC at which an individual is more of a risk than otherwise is personal to them. Some people can't handle a single drink, other people can toss 'em back (Geez, is this right? Seems right).

    However, alcohol and driving were around long before a roadside BAC test. Remember saying your ABC's backwards or holding your arms out horizontally to your sides and bring one finger to touch your nose? Those were personalized tests to determine if an individual had capable motor function and reasoning to operate a vehicle.

    I would much prefer an individualized test of reasoning (or reaction time) and motor functions. I do not know at all how (in)accurate the old method was, but it was not ideal, either. I assume leaving the decision to the subjective judgement of the officer on the scene caused it's own form of problems.
    Field tests are very much still a thing, and are often used as additional evidence or preliminary evidence. They suck tho.

    Also, states all do different crazy things. Arizona has an "implied consent" law. That means that when you get licensed to drive, you consent to blood tests for BAC (assuming probable cause). Refusing is an instant 1 year suspension of your license, then the officer gets a warrant and does it anyway.

    IIRC the tests for MJ used to be terrible. They tested for THC, but failed to distinguish between the two different types of THC. One is the relevant kind, and it gets released or whatever due to using it and being impaired. The other type however is something that is a byproduct of use. It binds to something in your body, and stays there for weeks on end. A lot of THC testing methods used to (and still do?) test for this longer lasting type...which is pretty problematic.

    There are "zero tolerance" policies in some states tho, and these say things like "if impaired to the slightest degree". With that, a specific level doesn't matter...and smelling might be just cause to arrest for use. But that goes out the window if medicinal use is permitted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JKDS View Post
    There are "zero tolerance" policies in some states tho, and these say things like "if impaired to the slightest degree". With that, a specific level doesn't matter...and smelling might be just cause to arrest for use. But that goes out the window if medicinal use is permitted.
    Alright, arrest me.

    How are you gonna lay up against my attorney?
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    hey, good call, canada.
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    Quote Originally Posted by givememyleg View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    Alright, arrest me.

    How are you gonna lay up against my attorney?
    You're assuming nothing was found in the resulting search incident to a lawful arrest, or the inventory search, and also that a prosecutor prosecutes.

    Only where MJ use is legal in some form does smell not qualify.

    Even still, a he said she said with two officers vsing a drug user doesn't often end in the defendants victory
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    Police can arrest you for any reason they like. They do not decide guilt, only suspicion. In nearly all cases, they are not very familiar with the actual laws they are supposed to enforce. They know a bit, but when it comes to the specifics, they don't need to care. That's for the judicial branch to figure out.

    They are empowered to arrest anyone whom they find suspicious. Suspicious is left intentionally vague.

    They don't even have to charge you with any crime in MO until they've held you for 20 hours. They can arrest you, hold you for over 19 hours, then release you w/o charge. Punk teenagers who try to toe the line with disrespecting authority find themselves on the receiving end of this one more often than not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Police can arrest you for any reason they like. They do not decide guilt, only suspicion. In nearly all cases, they are not very familiar with the actual laws they are supposed to enforce. They know a bit, but when it comes to the specifics, they don't need to care. That's for the judicial branch to figure out.

    They are empowered to arrest anyone whom they find suspicious. Suspicious is left intentionally vague.

    They don't even have to charge you with any crime in MO until they've held you for 20 hours. They can arrest you, hold you for over 19 hours, then release you w/o charge. Punk teenagers who try to toe the line with disrespecting authority find themselves on the receiving end of this one more often than not.
    That's both fair and awesome. It's a bit of a superpower to be able to throw someone in a box for almost a day.

    I have a cop friend and to hear him talk about it, every situation with a normal citizen is approached with a check-list of traps. "How fast were you going?" "Oh just 5 over, well I gotcha there."

    He told a story about getting through the door on some college party and after rounding everyone up and putting the press on them he goes, "last chance to come clean, where are the drugs?" and some poor girl runs to her room and brings back her roommate's weed. Well, it wasn't her roommate's weed any more, it was her weed. She had to try and convince her roommate to come take the rap.
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    I wonder if heroin will be legal in the US in my lifetime.
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    Anyone ever done heroin?
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    Anyone ever done heroin?
    the synthetic stuff they give you for back pain is pretty legit.
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    I eat poo.
    ha ha! what a funny gorilla!
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    Anyone ever done heroin?
    Just the thought makes me shiver.

    The odd chance of losing my mind on psychedelics doesn't phase me. The possibility of wearing my teeth down to nubs because I'm using them to strip copper wire, stolen from construction sites, so that I can avoid dick sucking to feed my addiction for one more day-- that scares the shit out of me.
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    Hey now, don't be putting your fear of dick sucking onto heroin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boost View Post
    Just the thought makes me shiver.

    The odd chance of losing my mind on psychedelics doesn't phase me. The possibility of wearing my teeth down to nubs because I'm using them to strip copper wire, stolen from construction sites, so that I can avoid dick sucking to feed my addiction for one more day-- that scares the shit out of me.
    Smack can be used as a social drug, enjoyed on occassion, without any of those horribe side effects. Just like any other drug. It is a tad morish, granted, but it ain't quite what people imagine.

    Prob safer to stick to opium though, and you can get that easily enough in the hills of Thailand, enjoyed peacfuly in a nice little hut with some blankets and music. Those concerned with ethical tourism might wanna give this one a miss though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by givememyleg View Post
    ha ha! what a funny gorilla!
    I said no such thing!
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