Boardwalk Empire

[Eric]

lol, office space.

[!Luck]

Sweet jesus that was great.

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oh my god.

[wufwugy]

Show is incredible. I legit thought Chalky was done for

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Show is incredible. I legit thought Chalky was done for

Yeah.. how they pulled this off, again, without it feeling like a cheap rehash is a testament to the skills being poured into this show.

It's funny, this seems to happen every season-- people are full of doubt, but as the finale nears, BE reaffirms its GOATness.

[Eric]

Chalky is bad ass - even with just one good arm.

Last night's episode was exciting but the writing was all over the place with that federal agent.

[wufwugy]

Could somebody answer me this: how is Nuck not in handcuffs? Hasn't the new fed seen more than enough to put him away for a long time? Why is the fed gallivanting around with Nuck but not doing anything? What could Eli give him that he wouldn't already have on Nuck?

[TeUnit]

quit watching the show seems to be getting stale to me

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Could somebody answer me this: how is Nuck not in handcuffs? Hasn't the new fed seen more than enough to put him away for a long time? Why is the fed gallivanting around with Nuck but not doing anything? What could Eli give him that he wouldn't already have on Nuck?

new fed wants 9 arrests not 1

[Renton]

Could somebody answer me this: how is Nuck not in handcuffs? Hasn't the new fed seen more than enough to put him away for a long time? Why is the fed gallivanting around with Nuck but not doing anything? What could Eli give him that he wouldn't already have on Nuck?

As bikes said, he's trying to bring down the entire syndicate. All of what you're saying just means that Knox dies this season. He's pretty clearly running his own operation and J Edgar could give a fuck so all thats gonna happen is Eli flipping back to Nucky and them putting Knox down. The end scene where Eli accepts that this is the life that his son wants seems to portend this as well. It might be that Eli sacrifices himself to kill Knox and make sure nothing splashes back on Nucky and crew.

[wufwugy]

thanks. which 9 arrests?

i miss a decent amount due to not watching with subs

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thanks. which 9 arrests?

i miss a decent amount due to not watching with subs

probably something along the lines of.

rothstein, torrio, masseria, thompson, waxey gordon, etc. all the big crime bosses who run A/B/C/D cities.

[wufwugy]

thx

Is it wrong that every time they mention Waxy Gordon I think it's the guy that giggles and wears a funny hat?

[Penneywize]

thx

Is it wrong that every time they mention Waxy Gordon I think it's the guy that giggles and wears a funny hat?

I constantly think that as well even though I know it to not be the case

[wufwugy]

dude just oozes waxy

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I thought the writing for Knox was great. He mentioned the book that inspired him to be in law enforcement. He doesn't really care about doing the right thing, or what's just. He cares about the procedure. He's like Hans Landa-- he didn't care about jews, or Nazi ideology really, he just loved the hunt.

[Renton]

This show is pretty much top 2 quality. I know it's pretty popular but I just don't get the sense that people realize how good it is.

[wufwugy]

This show is pretty much top 2 quality. I know it's pretty popular but I just don't get the sense that people realize how good it is.

Yeah I been saying BB and BWE are top 2 currently running shows for a while. Ofc BB is done now.

If I had to back of napkin it, the next two in line are GoT and House of Cards. Then Orange is the New Black and Downton Abbey. Maybe then Sons of Anarchy, Homeland, and Justified

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I think I have a hard time with rankings, because BWE and GoT, to me, are in a different category that BB. Not a better or worse one-- but they are expertly done novels on the screen. BB on the other hand is just excellent TV.

I'd also toss Utopia in the mix. It gets overlooked a bunch because it's British, but it crushes all and knocks on BB's door (so far).

[Savy]

Maybe then Sons of Anarchy

SoA has some of the best individual episodes of TV, S3 finale is one of the best episodes of TV I've seen. However Jax can't act for shit and it ruins it. He just shouts.

[wufwugy]

SoA has some of the best individual episodes of TV, S3 finale is one of the best episodes of TV I've seen. However Jax can't act for shit and it ruins it. He just shouts.

+1 to all the above. S3 finale was excellent

It's about as good as a bro-drama could be. They need to stop hugging it out so much

[wufwugy]

I think I have a hard time with rankings, because BWE and GoT, to me, are in a different category that BB. Not a better or worse one-- but they are expertly done novels on the screen. BB on the other hand is just excellent TV.

I'd also toss Utopia in the mix. It gets overlooked a bunch because it's British, but it crushes all and knocks on BB's door (so far).

Everybody has unique ways of looking at it. I rate dramas and comedies separately, and I don't rate individual episodes

[wufwugy]

I also don't rate mini-series, which it appears Utopia is. I guess I'd have to include Sherlock on either the OITNB/Downton level or SoA level, but not quite sure since every ep is a mini movie

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British shows are generally filmed as "series". Several years may go by before the next "series" is broadcast. Utopia series 1 has already aired, and series 2 has been filmed, or at least the first half of it has. Also, three to six episode series are far more common. So, yeah, while it's different, I don't really think it makes sense to classify Utopia as a mini series.

[Savy]

SoA has some of the best individual episodes of TV, S3 finale is one of the best episodes of TV I've seen. However Jax can't act for shit and it ruins it. He just shouts.

To add to this I also really dislike Jax wife, she also ruins the show.

[wufwugy]

i like her because she's really hot

[Savy]

I should find her hot, but I don't. Something off putting about her and I thought that before she opened her mouth.

But anyway I'll stop derailing this thread now.

[!Luck]

What's BB?

[wufwugy]

breaking breakfast

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Shannon brings the luls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dngOH9G4UPw

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other redditors predicted the livingston gillian plot arc. i need to pay significantly closer attention to this show.

[!Luck]

Did not see that coming. Don't pity her at all.

[Eric]

Now we know who office space was talking to on the phone.

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I love that the writers offered Gillian redemption, right before utterly soul crushing her. Also, the bait and switch with the nephew looking like the one who had it out for Chalky the whole episode. Makes for a strong nuanced character-- both jealous of Chalky, but admires him and his uncle too much to be anything but loyal to him.

[Renton]

What a weird episode. Am I the only one who was on edge the entire ep just knowing its the penultimate and thats usually when the shit goes down? Guess that's next week this season. I loved all the Chalky and Nucky stuff. Stephen Root obviously delivers. Can't wait for next week.

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I could be mistaken, but I think Boardwalk typically does the traditional finale, as opposed to The Wire finale. I'm like 95% sure Harrow's shooting spree and the battle were in the finale last season, and I think Jimmy caught it in the finale in s02...

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But, yeah, I still was on edge with the whole Chalky plot. He's been in serious danger over and over the last few eps, and each time I honestly believe it could be his time to go. Keeping that sort of tension going with a lead character's mortality is not easy.

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Prepare for your mind to be blown

Spoiler: Show

Oscar = Butchie

[wufwugy]

pretty goddamn sure michael shannon is my new favorite actor

[Eric]

Yeah, the parts with Chalky keep me on the edge of my seat.

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whos more likely to die this finale?

richard, mickey or eli?

personally i think it's richard =(

[Renton]

100% eli

[wufwugy]

115% eli

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Yeah, it's never Harrow, and why the hell would it be Mickey?

[!Luck]

eli

[Renton]

It would be some crazy 5th/7th/9th level storytelling if Eli doesn't die this season.

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It would be some crazy 5th/7th/9th level storytelling if Eli doesn't die this season.

Nah, I think Knox can easily die this season and Eli just breath a sigh of relief, wipe his brow, and carry on. I could be wrong, but I feel like the conflict hasn't quite happened yet in that arc, so I'm really curious to see how they resolve it with only one episode to go.

[wufwugy]

For a show that can make Chalky look like he's gonna die two episodes in a row, I think they can pull off making Eli look like he's gonna die yet somebody else dies instead. That said, I still think Eli dies. Knox might also die. Harrow never dies. If he does, then there was no purpose for him approaching Nuck or marrying that chick. Giggly guy could die, but I feel like he's a prop that the writers want to keep around, because whenever they want a 20s stereotype, they use him

[Renton]

I think the only reason he doesn't die is cause they kind of already did it with Kessler. But I really just feel like from the tone of that scene at the end of last-last week's episode with Eli, Will, and Nucky that Eli's about to buy the farm.

[Renton]

Yeah and I believe Eli and Knox both die.

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i think harrow can die because he finally has all he wants in life and bwe is wicked unfair like that

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i think harrow can die because he finally has all he wants in life and bwe is wicked unfair like that

True.

[wufwugy]

i think harrow can die because he finally has all he wants in life and bwe is wicked unfair like that

It's an interesting idea. All the big deaths I can think of have been written into the story. There are a variety of reasons for this, but a big one is that the writers have to put in effort for their material, so if they create a plot that depends on one character then kill him, they've wasted valuable time and energy. I think we see this in all the big shows of recent

As for BWE, who have been the big deaths? All I can think of is Jimmy, who I recall was swiftly being written out. I don't remember how all that went down, so I can't say much about it. I do think the closure or satisfaction he found was different than Harrow's. Does Harrow really have what he wants? I don't recall knowing much of what he wants. An argument could probably be made for how he's satisfied now, but my counter is that if Harrow is to die, it has to come after he does what he's meant to since he approached Nucky.

Chalky has been interesting because he feels like a primary character, but there isn't anything truly keeping him around, because no plots die with him. For example, if Chalky dies, Narcisse is still against Nuck and there is still a black element. I think it would detract from the show to not have Nuck and Chalk on one side, but it could work. Eli, OTOH, is being wrapped up obviously. If he doesn't die, the writers are misdirecting.

Mickey probably doesn't die for the earlier reason I stated (I think it's a big reason), and that Nuck and Rothstein already covered how killable he is. If Mickey dies, it will be when Nuck doesn't want him to, because then it ups the tension for the audience. But right now, Nuck doesn't care that much.

Of the fictional characters, Van Alden is the least killable. They're playing the long game with him, and he brings a lot of excitement to the Capone side in ways that it would be difficult for a non-fiction character to do. HBO has done this before with Rome, where fictional (mostly) Vorenus and Pullo did all the things the non-fiction characters couldn't.

[wufwugy]

My death list for the finale:

Eli. Obviously. However, I think the writers will have to do some tweaking to make Eli's death palatable. What I mean is that if Eli dies, doesn't it put his son in danger to the FBI? Granted, IIRC the latest ep did away with Hoover caring about the Eli angle. Regardless, I think Occam says that Nuck kills Eli for being a traitor. It's a good story because he forgave him once, but not a second time.

Narcisse. This isn't a heroin story, and I don't see how Narcisse can be a part of the future of the show. He's a seasonal bad guy, and Chalk or Nuck will gat him. Season 5 would suffer if Narcisse sticks around.

Knox. I wanted him to stick around, but for what? Everything he wants is shot down swiftly. He doesn't have a place in season 5

[wufwugy]

Harrow has to kill somebody important. We saw him at Nuck's house and in Chalk's kitchen for a reason.

[wufwugy]

I have no idea what they're gonna do with Capone. I don't think he can kill Torrio so quickly now that they would have only one ep for him to even realize it was him. I also don't know how Torrio died IRL, but don't care. I expected the latest ep to go gangbusters on the Capone storyline, but we got nothing, so I don't know what to think

[!Luck]

gg

[wufwugy]

Dat Harrow. Y'all were right. The only thing standing in the way of Harrow death was that one thing he had to do for Nucky, and he died right after he did it. They did an amazing job with his ending

I like the Eli story better this way. Nucky killing him was almost too obvious.

I thought for sure Torrio laid the hit. It is what they wanted us to think, at least.

I think next season will have stronger carryover from this season than this season had with last season, and that's good.

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whos more likely to die this finale?

richard, mickey or eli?

personally i think it's richard =(

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i hate knowing history about prohibition.

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I have no idea what they're gonna do with Capone. I don't think he can kill Torrio so quickly now that they would have only one ep for him to even realize it was him. I also don't know how Torrio died IRL, but don't care. I expected the latest ep to go gangbusters on the Capone storyline, but we got nothing, so I don't know what to think

what happens and in history not for another 2 years is, in retalation for the o'bannion hit torrio is shot 4 times but before the coup 'de grace can be delivered something happens, unknown, and the assaliants leave. torrio announces he is too old to this shit and leaves control of the chicago outfit to capone.

did not want to say anything but am surprised they skipped 2 years in history to send out torrio

[wufwugy]

I guess it's good I don't know the history.

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i am soulcrushed by that episode but the acting done by eli and knox in the fight scene was fucking amazing.

[wufwugy]

Yeah the action scenes are far beyond the quality of any others. I can't stand fight scenes in just about anything because they're so unrealistic and lame, but these ones are top notch. Still not perfectly realistic, but totally believable

[Renton]

Yeah that episode was pure cum.

[SinkieCon]

I have no heard of this TV series, but I know it's a cop one. I'm not a fan of these but might watch it after the current ones I'm watching. The Game of Thrones and The Walking Dead are more important . So hoping it's a good cop series the only other ones that I've watched was The Bill, a UK cop TV series back in the late 90s early 2000's

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Torrio had to go out now. There's a good chance time passes between seasons, and it wouldn't make sense for the hand off to take place next season. Next season is all about Capone empire building imo.

Also, Nucky was never going to shoot Eli. He had to make him think he would. He had to make the gesture. But he was always going to send him to Chicago. At least that's my read from the scene between Nucky and Will.

[wufwugy]

Yeah in the Will scene, Nuck basically said "you think I'd kill my own brother, but I'm not who you think I am"

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Yeah, and I think we have to take that at face value. There's no room for that to be deception, it just wouldn't make any sense, as presented.

[Penneywize]

Can we shift the discussion towards wtf was happening with Narcisse, tyvm

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Can we shift the discussion towards wtf was happening with Narcisse, tyvm

he got picked up by the fbi.

hoover (who didnt give 2 flying fucks about knox and his criminal conspiracy) decides to turn knox's death into something of use to hoover. the negro agitators hoover has been talking about all season.

so hoover tells narcisse it's like this. yo either become an informant for me about Marcus Garvey (whom hoover believes to be a racial agitator who works for foreign governments) or either go to prison forever or get deported straight to wherever you came from cause i'll blame knox's death on you.

narcisse informs hoover he is a scholar and business man who will have no part of this for Marcus Garvey is a hero to the negros and Hoover tells narcisse that it's nice you lie to yourself and other people but you ain't shit.

narcisse mulls this over and tells hoover he will do it. hoover says not good enough and narcisse informs hoover that he will do it.......sir.

which obviously is a large character death because all this season he's been this big prominiant racial equality guy and for him to say "yes sir" to hoover is basically him breaking.

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EVERY MARGARET SCHROEDER SCENE IS ONE LESS NELSON VAN ALDEN SCENE! FIGURE THIS SHIT OUT FOR NEXT SEASON!

[wufwugy]

^^troof

[Renton]

Maggie is great, you guys suck.

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^^trewest uh troofs